Yesterday’s radicalism is today’s conventional wisdom – and nothing underscores this truism more than the current foreign policy debate. Remember way back when neoconservatives were calling for “draining the swamp” of the Middle East, George W. Bush was hailing the advent of a “global democratic revolution” to be led by the US, and anyone who dissented was marginalized as part of what Andrew Sullivan called a pro-terrorist “fifth column”? Those were heady days for the War Party, which was still enjoying the momentum of the post-9/11 rage that sucked us into two major wars simultaneously. It was also before the Great Meltdown of 2008, when the biggest pillars of the American economy creaked, cracked, and nearly collapsed of their own weight.
As a great songwriter put it a couple of decades ago: the times, they are a’changing.
A Pew poll taken a couple of years ago in which respondents were asked whether the US should “mind its own business” showed a huge disparity between elite and hoi polloi opinion on the matter, with the elites saying “No, no, a thousand times no!” and the plebeians answering “Heck yeah!” I suspect elite opinion hasn’t changed much: among the general public, however, recent polls show an even more overwhelming popular consensus in favor of non-intervention, including one taken by The Hill newspaper which records a whopping 72 percent saying “the United States is fighting in too many places,” and a mere 16 percent saying “the current level of engagement represented an appropriate level.” (Twelve percent weren’t sure.)
Against this level of popular disapproval, no administration can stand. That’s why the President is getting ready to announce the withdrawal of some 10,000 troops from Afghanistan, with more in the pipeline. There’s also the supposedly ongoing withdrawal from Iraq – yes, we’re still there!
Of course, there are the usual caveats about “conditions on the ground,” i.e. the possibility that the generals will veto more substantial future troop cuts. In short, these announcements of troop withdrawals are just smoke and mirrors: even if the administration actually follows through on the maximum cut of 30,000 soldiers out of Afghanistan, in stages, that will still leave 70,000. And will someone tell me what we are doing still bogged down in Iraq, which is being held up as a “model” of successful US intervention? According to the Status of Forces Agreement signed by the US and Iraq, all American troops are scheduled to leave by the end of 2011 – but the American public doesn’t believe it, and neither do I. The Hill reports:
“Forty-nine percent said it is not very likely that troops will leave Iraq by the end of the year, and another 10 percent said it is not at all likely. Seven percent said it is very likely troops will leave Iraq by the end of the year, and 22 percent said it is somewhat likely.”
In the face of such skepticism, the White House is scrambling to appear credible: thus the Obama speech on Afghanistan, which will be delivered on Wednesday night, is meant to reassure voters that the Afghan war is coming to an end. However, it isn’t going to happen, and I think the American public realizes that, too.
For the first time since the 1970s, the American ruling class is frightened to death that its global empire is in danger of being subverted on the home front by an “isolationist” movement, and elite pundits are up in arms. Liberal columnist Richard Cohen writes that the President should leave “as few as possible” troops in Afghanistan, but then avers:
“The trouble with recommending such a course is that it conforms to the foreign policy views of almost all the Republican presidential candidates. Their position regarding Afghanistan is, however, just a piece of their wholesale embrace of Herbert Hoover Republicanism. They would turn the country inward – what Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham characterize as isolationism – while also adopting Hoover’s disastrous economic policy. Not satisfied with a recession, they would cut government spending and bring on a depression.
“The Republican response to both foreign and domestic problems somehow fits what is beginning to look like the 1930s all over again. Back then, a severe worldwide depression encouraged the rise of Fascist and Communist movements and turned nations inward….
“Staying in Afghanistan will only buttress the argument of the New Isolationists. This is the larger danger. The world needs us and will soon need us even more. China, India, Pakistan, Japan and the two Koreas are about as compatible as the Real Housewives of New York. They all either have or are capable of developing nuclear weapons. Iran is on its way. Its program could cause the Israelis to attack and it might also prompt Saudi Arabia and maybe Egypt to go nuclear. Jordan could implode and Iraq could come apart.”
Calls by Establishment figures like Cohen – and all too many Republicans like Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman – to withdraw substantially from Afghanistan and keep our pledge to get out of Iraq should be viewed with extreme suspicion. Because what they have in mind is not a foreign policy of minding our own business, but one of new interventions in Asia, Africa, and regions yet untouched by our policy of perpetual war. Pakistan, the former Soviet republics of Central Asia, and – most of all – Iran are all on the War Party’s agenda. Libya is just the latest example of expanding US/NATO ambitions.
In the face of shrinking financial resources, the Obama-ites propose to save our post-World War II foreign policy of exercising “global leadership” by means of burden-sharing. However, with the Euro-zone in a state of advanced collapse, it’s unlikely the Brits, the suddenly-ferocious French, or indeed anyone else on the Old Continent can or will come across with the military muscle to put some flesh on the 90 lb. weakling of “multi-lateralism.” European voters are even less likely to approve of a new surge of imperialism abroad, especially when their cozy little welfare states suddenly find themselves forced into making draconian cutbacks. The specter of Greece is haunting Europe – and America, too.
With no relief in sight coming from the Europeans, it looks like the American elites will have to face the prospect of browbeating their own public into supporting the Empire: the large scale offensive against “isolationism,” now blaring forth from every major media outlet, is their response. On the right, we have Sen. Lindsey Graham telling Congress – and, by implication, us – to “shut up” about Libya, and on the left we have the Kevin Drums of this world suspending judgment in deference to The Leader.
If browbeating and invocations of party discipline don’t work, the interventionists will resort to other methods. Next on the agenda: scare-mongering. The threat of terrorism on American soil has been the key to gaining support for interventionism in the past, and we can expect this effort to ratchet up with new vigor in the near future. Yet waving the bloody shirt of 9/11 is beginning to wear a bit thin, as Rudy “One Delegate” Giuliani learned to his sorrow and surprise. The thuggish Giuliani’s rhetoric has always been rather crude, and the War Party, in desperation, is forced to resort to subtlety.
Cohen, cited above, has his own version of scare tactics, designed to appeal to “responsible” liberals: if we succumb to “isolationism,” he avers, then the world – bereft of the enlightened wisdom of our Washington elites – will inevitably go to hell, with horrific albeit highly speculative consequences for us. His harking back to the 1930s – also a favorite tactic of the neoconservatives, for whom it’s always 1939 – is another way to fight back against those dreaded “isolationists.” By associating non-interventionism with “Herbert Hoover Republicanism,” Cohen seeks to keep the fast-defecting Democratic base in the anti-“isolationist” coalition.
For progressives of Cohen’s stamp, the idea that Washington has the answer to all the world’s problems – not just America’s – is deeply rooted in history and ideology. That our government must “do something” in the face of every disaster, real and imagined, is the first assumption of modern progressivism. It’s no accident that many of the same people who oppose “Hooverism” (i.e. economic non-interventionism) are also arguing for an “activist” foreign policy. In this sense, one of the oldest adages of the interventionists is quite true: politics doesn’t stop at the water’s edge.
Our anti-Hooverites are devout Keynesians: they believe government spending can lift America out of its economic depression, and this is the largely unacknowledged motive behind elite liberal support for our failed foreign policy of global intervention. Because military spending is indeed government spending, and, in the Keynesian mindset, the more the merrier.
For years, the US has poured its resources into making itself into the military arsenal of the world, while our traditional industries have atrophied. At a time when the rest of the economy is sliding into the abyss, the military-industrial complex is doing just fine, thank you. US military operations abroad, and the billions we ship overseas in “foreign aid,” may impoverish most of us – but some people are profiting, particularly US exporters. If our role as world policeman is abolished, or even cut back, that means, in the short term, more Americans on the ever-lengthening unemployment line.
Our elites have neither the will, nor the intention, of shrinking the US presence in the world: they are far too invested, politically and psychologically, in the idea that Washington is and must remain the center of the known universe. Within the limits of the District of Columbia, the virtue of humility is nearly unknown: indeed, it is considered a vice. Rather than admit defeat, they are willing to risk whatever political consequences might follow from their stubborn hubris, confident that they’ve rigged the political system sufficiently to render the popular revolt against interventionism impotent.
How it will end is anybody’s guess, but mine is this: our elites, like those in the Middle East (and now Europe), are underestimating the rage boiling beneath the surface of everyday life in America. Smugly complacent, they scold the people for succumbing to “isolationism” and assure them that they – the “experts” – know best how to solve the world’s problems … when they can’t even solve the problems we are confronting here at home.
This “let them eat cake” attitude is bound to provoke a radical “blowback” effect – as Marie Antoinette realized as she ascended to the guillotine.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Up Against the FBI – May 23rd, 2013
- Antiwar.com vs. the FBI – May 21st, 2013
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013





andy
June 21st, 2011 at 9:07 pm
"Isolationist". The N-word of American politics.
montaigne
June 22nd, 2011 at 12:15 am
Indeeed Marie Antoinette comes to mind when contemplating contemporary politics. To restart the economy, why don't anyone suggest a severe limitation on non-personal juridical entities' rights? Or just try it out seriously in some economic area. If the world indeed goes on, and more upstarts get going… Well there you are. But of course not in the situation of the important politician making deals with the all-important executives.
Geo1671
June 22nd, 2011 at 3:59 am
speaking of waste,came across of this :US Military Radar Complex : The Pyramid of North Dakota By: mytrueword
The Pyramid of North Dakota *pic*
The Safeguard Program was developed in the 1960s to shoot down incoming Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles. Built at a cost of 6 billion dollars in Nekoma, North Dakota, the site was a massive complex of missile silos, a giant pyramid-shaped radar system, and dozens of launching silos for surface-to-air missiles tipped with thermonuclear warheads.
However, due to its expense, and concern over both its effectiveness and the danger of detonating defensive nuclear warheads over friendly territory, the program was shut down. Today it is a military-industrial shell in the middle of nowhere, or in the words of one writer, "a monument to man's fear and ignorance."
liberal
June 22nd, 2011 at 5:56 am
"For progressives of Cohen’s stamp…"
Hah hah hah. Cohen is hardly a progressive.
And no true progressive would support all these idiotic wars.
John V. Walsh
June 22nd, 2011 at 6:14 am
China. Every foreign policy move of our rulers must be seen in the light of China, the only power capable of balancing and restraining the US Empire. And many in our elite want us out of the Middle East and Central Asia to "turn our attention" to China.
China has a multi-millennial history and culture of defensiveness, reflected by the Great Wall and the present policy of "peaceful rising" and win-win through trade. In fact China's foreign policy is isolationist and Libertarian in the sense that goods crossing borders in the form of trade means that troops do not.
John V. Walsh
tomofsnj
June 22nd, 2011 at 8:23 am
I am proud to be an Isolationist. I fully understand that position threatens so many jobs in Israel but i do not want my kids killed only to support a military industrial complex which only reason to exist is to support useless wars started by the rich people of the military industrial complex. I grew up with the belief that WWII was the good war that we had to fight. I believed that to be the truth until I read the book on the life of Charles Lindberg. His father a congressman was opposed to the First Wold war and also the federal reserve bank. Charles lindberg was an isolationist. He was attacked again and again by the people of war but he was not a dreamer. He along with the rest of the Isolationist believed that Stalin and Hitler would go to war. They beieve it best to avoid and if necessary take on the winner who would be greatly weakened. Chuchill the man who caused so much harm during WWI got his way and England was off to fight Germany who did not want to fight England. Churchill got FDR to join the effort and fight a war which would have been better off not started. I look at the mess in the middle east and I understand FDR and churchills invovlement in creating more problems in the middle east than any two people sould be allowed to create.
Give peace a chance and stop giving money to the war mongers.
ML3
June 22nd, 2011 at 9:20 am
Isolationism isn't in the cards, no matter who is the President. The narrative encompasses varying administrations – the powers that be want war and you will be pressed to support them by the Pravda News Networks – your kids will become crippled, maimed and killed to make the world safe for international banking and transnational capital – those who resist, whether man woman or child will be blown to bits and labelled 'collateral damage' by the offending organizations.
The war of terror is also mainly a war on Israeli enemies – so stupid American kids full of bulls*hit and gung-ho testosterone will also be fighting for the Land of Chosenites, even though America is bordered by overall friendly nations – while Israel barely lifts a finger except to abuse hapless Palestinians – and to massage their False Flag propaganda into the sheep by their sneaky, slimy covert operations designed to make every Muslim / Arab action look nefarious – whether they are fighting for their land or lives or just yearning to be free of their dictatorships.
Jerry
June 22nd, 2011 at 9:22 am
Cohen is a rabid supporter of a White Supremacist state in Palestine. He isn't a sincere liberal progressive. Israel/Palestine is the litmus test.
Anon
June 22nd, 2011 at 9:24 am
Could you provide a title and author for the Lindberg book you mention?
Terrance&Philip
June 22nd, 2011 at 9:50 am
FTA: "A Pew poll taken a couple of years ago in which respondents were asked whether the US should “mind its own business” showed a huge disparity between elite and hoi polloi opinion on the matter, with the elites saying “No, no, a thousand times no!” and the plebeians answering “Heck yeah!” "
Bring back the draft. When it's the sons and daughters of the sons of b__ches who regard themselves as our "elites" being used for cannon fodder, they'll soon sing a different tune.
Bianca
June 22nd, 2011 at 10:52 am
No, it is a monument to those who make fabulous wealth at the expense of the taxpaying public. Those same ones today build other monuments around the world, starting with the Fantasy City in Baghdad, called US "Embassy", and through one thousand plus various "bases" around the world. Each of the bases is beautifully supplied with all the amenities for comfortable living, including concert halls, swimming pools, latest gym technology, video game parlors, restaurants, fast food outfits, grocery stores, etc.etc. What do the soldiers there do? Mostly nothing. There are no conflicts and therefore no casualties other then traffic accident victims, or victims of a bar brawl. Yet, some make fabulous wealth maintaining all these monumants to our stupidity — but far from our sight and mind. And herein lies the secret to empire — what citizens do not see, they cannot complain about.
Downsize DC
June 22nd, 2011 at 11:05 am
David Smith is correct. Indeed, it was FDR in the 1932 campaigned who complained about Hoover's excessive spending.
andy
June 22nd, 2011 at 11:11 am
But he probably supports wide-open immigration in America…..
Bianca
June 22nd, 2011 at 11:11 am
Dude, well before Germany crossed the line in Poland the beginning of September, and Soviet Union reciprocated two weeks later — Germany already had a field day over Europe! Soviet Union tried its level best to stay out of yet another European war, but Hitler and his inner circle were too drunk with power by then, and thought that the Soviet Union — wrecked by the civil war and internal mayham, was going to roll over in a matter of months.
How did you figure out that "…It was Nazi Germany and its ally the Soviet Union that started WWII by invading Poland.". Are you saying that the German-Soviet "allies" romped jointly accross Europe between 1938 and 1941? You are delusional, and this kind of willfull delusion is exactly the kind of blindness needed to distort the reality and indulge in fantasy of world domination. Good luck to you, you will need it.
andy
June 22nd, 2011 at 11:11 am
Every war since 1898 has been a needless and destructive war for America.
andy
June 22nd, 2011 at 11:12 am
I'm sure China will end this century in much better shape then us.
Bianca
June 22nd, 2011 at 11:13 am
Do we always have to have enemies?
andy
June 22nd, 2011 at 11:14 am
And on making English an official language, among other issues.
andy
June 22nd, 2011 at 11:14 am
Don't join the armed forces.
andy
June 22nd, 2011 at 11:15 am
They'll just pull strings to get deferrents.
andy
June 22nd, 2011 at 11:16 am
Then he went on to spend vastly more.
Johnny in Wi.
June 22nd, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Bianca: Hitler and Stalin both divided Easter Europe between them. All Hitler got was Western Poland. Stalin took Eastern Poland, a much larger area, The Baltic States, Bessarabia, Ruthenia, and a free hand with Finland. He also got a promise from Stalin of war materials. That agreement on war materials was ept up through the last day of the non agression pact. The allies at the end of the war let Stalin keep all the loot that Hitler gave him. They also gave him a free hand in Eastern Europe ie Poland, East Germany, Rumania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Albania, and Eastern Austria. The worst Criminal in the History of the world was given cart blanch by FDR and Churchill.
RickR30
June 22nd, 2011 at 12:36 pm
That cohen clown is an idiot. Let's not worry about doing what is right for he country, let's worry about what Republican presidential candidates say. If they support isolation, well then, it's bad and the Democrats have to become interventionists. Brilliant…
"The world needs us and will soon need us even more." What planet does he live on? Name the president of a single country that would say that he needs America, aside from israel, but they would never say it, they'd say that we need israel. China needs us to buy their junk and prop up their middle class in the process. The Chinese would say we need them to build cheap junk for us. And just for what exactly does the world need us? To reduce their population by bombing weddings, parties, women, and children?
"Not satisfied with a recession, they would cut government spending and bring on a depression." Right, nothing helps get a country out of a deep recession as sending billions into an abyss overseas, buying ridiculous weapons, and hiring mercenaries. If the world had only known that. The Third World could have gotten out of it just by declaring war on each other.
The elites, most importantly, are invested financially in the empire. The empire keeps idiots like cohen, and all the useless parasite braindead neocons, from having to get a real job.
Terrance&Philip
June 22nd, 2011 at 1:48 pm
What I've always wondered is if Great Britain and France went to war against Germany for the invasion of Poland, why weren't they also marching upon Moscow?
Ira7Epstein
June 22nd, 2011 at 4:47 pm
The USG always need enemies to justify its bloated militarism budget, torture, lifetime detainment or even death without due process of law, naked body scanners, illegal government snooping, and war without end.
Oswaldwasalefty
June 22nd, 2011 at 5:06 pm
“The Republican response to both foreign and domestic problems somehow fits what is beginning to look like the 1930s all over again. Back then, a severe worldwide depression encouraged the rise of Fascist and Communist movements and turned nations inward…."
Somebody needs a history lesson, and Michael Hudson's "Super Imperialism" is the book to read on this subject. A major factor in the run up to the Great Depression, and eventually World War II, was the refusal of Washington to discharge the debt overhead it imposed on its "allies" Britain and France during World War I. The U.S. exited that war as a top creditor and, for political reasons I believe, insisted Britain and France pay these unpayable debts. Hence, British and French imposition of what looks like a really punitive war debt on Germany. It looks far more punitive if you don't understand that German reparations were ending up in the U.S., ultimately. Britain went on pay its war debts to Washington, while France threw in the towel and basically defaulted. The idea that the U.S. was looking "inward" at this time is nonsense. Washington was carefully counting and collecting its allied war debts, and it was having a devastating effect on the global economy, and most notably Germany. I have no memory of this essential history being taught in official histories of the Interwar Period.
"…and Iraq could come apart.”
Where has this Cohen character been for the past 8 years? Iraq came apart eight years ago, and is barely surviving to this day thanks to all the "help" it's received from Washington.
Meanwhile, McCain and Kerry are leading the bi-partisan charge for victory in Libya:
http://www.npr.org/2011/06/22/137347064/mccain-an…
tomofsnj
June 22nd, 2011 at 6:16 pm
scott berg. Very good read and the man did a great job. Mr. Berg stated several times that he was jewish and I never saw anything bias in his book. It is an amazing book.
. Mr. Berg did his research and he made it clear and as I stated it changed my entire view on WWII. I fully believe we would have been better off by avoiding the conflict and letting Stalin and Hitler fight it out.
The is another book called the last 1,000 days of the british empire is an amazing book that is you like Mr. Berg's book you will like this book. Not sure of the authors name but it is one of the better books on the monster I feel Churchill was. \
I am now reading a book called the murder of George Patton. I am official a tin foil individual but feel the more I read the more I feel comfortable with the tin foil. How did my nation ever get to be starting so many wars?
epppie
June 22nd, 2011 at 7:15 pm
But Grayson and Weiner failed that litmus test and yet were highly regarded 'progressives'.
paul
June 22nd, 2011 at 7:19 pm
You are right about Churchill. A real monster.
andy
June 22nd, 2011 at 8:01 pm
You really need a history lesson Bianca. Before June 1941, the USSR attacked Finland, occupied and annexed Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Bessarabia, Bukovina and invaded and occupied half of Poland. 30,000 Polish officers P.O.W.'s were murdered on Stalin's personal order at Katyn and elsewhere. The USSR lavishly supplied Germany with oil and other key resources. Stalin knew full well that by signing the accord with Germany he was allowing a general war in Europe to unfold.
andy
June 22nd, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Actually a great fear took over them, that the wording of the Polish ultimatum meant that they were now also automatically at war with the USSR. It came as a great relief when legal opinion held that this was not so. But it is funny how the USSR always got a pass for actions that Germany was so condemned for. I attribute this to feelings of bitterness from the great war, the popularity of international socialism abroad and the antipathy towards Germany from a certain ethnic group.
andy
June 22nd, 2011 at 8:09 pm
Well the pentagon and M.I.C. has to do something to "justify" its 700 billion annual budget. And since its not very likely Canada or Mexico are going to attack us, somebody has to be the boogyman.
Jerry
June 22nd, 2011 at 8:50 pm
What of it? Cohen is also a highly regarded 'progressive'.
A. G. Phillbin
June 22nd, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Yes, but those middle class would be draftees who can't get deferments the rich kids get will fight tooth and nail against wars that the elite can't justify to them. That's what happened with the Vietnam War.
Robert Brager
June 23rd, 2011 at 12:48 pm
I always hate this line of argument. Until the burgeoning radical class finally gets aroused, you'll have condemned scores of individuals who otherwise would not have got involved with the armed forces to enslavement in an imperial military. I understand the argument; nonetheless, I reject it.
Further, would that even work in today's military environment? In Vietnam, you were talking about grunts sent out into the field doing dirty work. Today, for the otherwise non-involved, the draft you speak of might just entail cooling your jets in an air-conditioned room playing video games for four years and I don't think that's enough to stir the kids into radicalism. The youngest draft-age kids today were eight, pressing close now to the reaches of seven, when 9/11 happened. America's war-footing is practically all they've ever known. While it's arguable the Vietnam draft-class grew up with hyperbolic tales of WW2 heroism that may have deadened their awareness of what war really consists of doing and having done to you and still radical reaction to the draft managed to emerge from the murk… I just don't count on it today, with the technological state of affairs being what it is.
liberranter
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:04 pm
But it is funny how the USSR always got a pass for actions that Germany was so condemned for. I attribute this to feelings of bitterness from the great war, the popularity of international socialism abroad and the antipathy towards Germany from a certain ethnic group.
In more practical terms, I think the reason the USSR always got a "free pass" is because it had one of the most powerful armies on earth, one that could "kick the arses," so to speak, of any of the pipsqueak European powers that dared to intervene against its actions. In other words, the Soviet Union got a free pass from Britain and France for the same reason that China and North Korea both get a "free pass" from the UFSA, neocon war posturing aside: both are powerful enough to either kick the arse of the loud mouth with the tiny stick (i.e., the UFSA), or make any UFSA "victory" so costly as to be Pyrrhic.
liberranter
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:06 pm
You really need a history lesson Bianca.
Aw, give poor Bianca a break. She has a standard to live down to.
liberranter
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:07 pm
I'd go back even farther than that. Aside from MAYBE the War of 1812(-1815), EVERY war Amerika has fought since 1781 has been needless and destructive.
liberranter
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Amoricons HAVE to have boogiemen in order to justify their pointless, pathetic, minimalist, post-industrial existence. Otherwise they'd be required to live lives dedicated to contributing something genuinely useful to modern civilization. Mt's much easier and more comfortable to wallow in sports, "reality" [sic]-based entertainmen, junk food, and wars-by-proxy.
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Tom Mullen
June 27th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
"…the neo-conservatives, for whom it's always 1939…"
Spot on!