The Return of the Neocons’ Prodigal Son
Anders Behring Breivik and the Axis of Hate
Suggestions that the “counter-jihadist” ideology spread by such websites as Frontpagemag.com, run by neocon David Horowitz, and the affiliated “Jihad Watch,” inspired – and provoked – the Norway killer Anders Behring Breivik have been met with cries of outrage by the neoconservative Right. This is hardly surprising: confronted with the sight of someone who put their hateful and inherently violent ideology into practice, what else are they supposed to do? There is, however, a superficially reasonable case to be made against drawing any larger lesson from the Norwegian tragedy. As Gene Healy, a vice president of the Cato Institute, put it:
“In general, invoking the ideological meanderings of psychopaths is a stalking horse for narrowing permissible dissent. Former New York Times columnist Frank Rich provided a classic in the genre with his February 2010 piece ‘The Axis of the Obsessed and Deranged,’ in which he railed against the dangerous climate of anti-government rhetoric and warned that a ‘tax protester’ who flew a plane into an Internal Revenue Service building in February may be a dark harbinger of Tea Party terrorism to come. (No such luck, Frank.)
“But blaming Sarah Palin for Jared Loughner, or Al Gore for the Unabomber makes about as much sense as blaming Martin Scorsese and Jodie Foster for inciting John Hinckley. There’s little to be learned from the acts of ‘the obsessed and deranged.’ But these incidents ought to teach us not to use tragedy to score partisan points.”
All of which is true – up to a point. This is generally true, but in the case of Breivik, however, what Healy misses is the specific content of the ideas expounded in the killer’s online manifesto [.pdf], and the video which summarizes his stance. For what Breivik and the counter-jihadists are saying is that Islam is at war with the West – and that a “culture of appeasement” prevalent on our side of the barricades is delivering us to the Enemy. If you go through the material published by Robert Spencer, who is quoted in some 64 instances by Breivik, one central idea leaps out at you: we are at war with the one billion Muslims on the planet Earth. Not that we should be at war, or will be at war – the battle, in Spencer’s view, has already commenced, not on account of anything we in the West have done, but because Islamic doctrine is inherently violent and expansionist. Likewise, Pamela Geller, his collaborator in “Stop the Islamization of America” – and its European affiliate, which Breivik supported – denies the very existence of moderates in the Muslim camp. David Swindle, who writes for Horowitz’s website, describes the internal debate among counter-jihadists at one of their West Coast retreats:
“Breakfast begin [sic] with a debate between Robert Spencer and Dr. Zuhdi Jasser on the prospects for reform within Islam. Andrew McCarthy moderated and begin the talk by explaining that he still debates amongst himself over whether we’re at war with Islam or Islamism. This is a healthy debate to have and the position I find myself in at the moment. I’ll dissect Spencer and Jasser’s engaging back and forth once we have the video posted but in the mean time my position is basically that I embrace Spencer’s intellectual skepticism about the challenges reform faces but Jasser’s optimism and spirituality about the necessity of the project still wins me over.”
Even the hardcore ideologues within the Horowitzian camp find the blanket condemnation of an entire religion a bit hard to take. For if all Muslims are the Enemy, then Breivik’s agenda – mass deportations and/or mass murder – takes on an aura of legitimacy.
Spencer seems to realize this, which is why he has been backtracking and fuming over the sudden attention to his “work”:
“The hapless Adam Serwer in the Washington Post lies outright when he says that ‘most of Geller and Spencer’s blogging consists of attempts to tar all Muslims with the responsibility for terrorism….assigning collective blame for an act of terror through guilt-by-association.’ In ten books, hundreds of articles, and over 25,000 blog posts, I have never “attempted to tar all Muslims with the responsibility for terrorism,” and challenge Serwer to prove his claim.”
Horowitz “defends” Spencer by writing:
“Robert Spencer has never supported a terrorist act. His crime in the eyes of the left is to have told the truth about Islamic fanatics beginning with the Islamic prophet who called for the extermination of the Jews and said in his farewell speech that he was called to fight until all men say that there is no God but allah. (see Bruce Thornton’s article today’s Frontpage).”
While not coming right out and saying all Muslims should be deported and/or killed, Spencer – and Horowitz – believe Muhammad’s followers pose a deadly and imminent physical threat. Oh, and by the way, go read another Islam-is-evil rant, which supposedly proves Horowitz’s point. These people condemn themselves out of their own mouths.
Spencer is a fake-“scholar” whose innumerable polemics are all about the same thing: the intractable evil and danger posed by Islam. He believes there is a conspiracy to impose Sharia law on America, and annex the United States to a “global caliphate.” This is the stuff of pure fantasy, and yet anyone who takes it seriously and accepts its premises has to believe that the Muslim world must be challenged militarily – which is precisely what neoconservatives have been urging since well before the 9/11 terrorist attacks. And they succeeded in their mission, to a large degree: today we are embarked on a worldwide crusade which involves the invasion and occupation of a great deal of the Middle East. Breivik and his collaborators – if any – are simply taking it one step further, and in that they are more consistent than their neocon brethren, who prefer to have other people fight their wars of choice.
The neoconservative agenda [.pdf] is about one thing and one thing only: the desirability and necessity of a war to the death against the Muslim Enemy. Their relationship with Breivik is identical to the links between the “theoreticians” of yesterday’s New Left – Herbert Marcuse, Franz Fanon, etc. – and the activist rank-and-file, the college professors and the kids. Spencer is the theory: Breivik is the practice.
A screed posted on Horowitz’s website defends Spencer as being a mere “researcher” whose job it is to “monitor” the Muslim Threat. The pose of impartiality is supremely unconvincing. Spencer is a “researcher” in the same sense as Breivik: both start out with a foregone conclusion and then “research” assiduously to rationalize their preexisting agenda.
Breivik’s hate, expressed in terms of violence, is repulsive and therefore “fringe” – and yet Spencer and his ilk are the “respectable” proponents of the same basic ideology. Breivik was consigned to the margins, a member of a small sect – the “Knights Templar Europe” – which may very well have consisted of one member, himself. Spencer, on the other hand, has achieved a measure of quasi-respectability – or, at least, respectable enough to be included in a “training session” for military intelligence and law enforcement agencies.
Do we really want the man who inspired the worst mass murder in recent memory “training” our military and instructing our police in the intricacies of “Jihad in America”? That is just asking for trouble.
I have to add that there is one person who accurately foresaw this coming, and it is none other than my old adversary Charles Johnson, of the “little green footballs” website. Johnson is a former counter-jihadist who balked when his former buddies, like Geller, began palling around with the English Defense League and their continental co-thinkers around the “Gates of Vienna” and Brussels Journal sites. Johnson warned, more than once, that this could lead to nothing but bad-and-crazy, and raised the alarm: unfortunately, no one listened. While I have absolutely nothing in common politically with Johnson – indeed, quite the opposite – I have to give him credit for his remarkable prescience in calling out the dangerous transatlantic alliance between our homegrown haters and the Euro-crazies of Breivik’s sort.
Breivik, Spencer, and the burgeoning anti-Muslim mini-industry that sprang up after 9/11 constitute an Axis of Hate, one that inevitably grew out of the “axis of evil” rhetoric employed by the Bush administration and their neoconservative Rasputins to justify the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. For over a decade, the West has been awash in a sea of propaganda targeting the Muslim world as a “swamp” which has to be “drained” for the good of humankind. Is it any wonder that some took seriously the comparison of Muslims to mosquitoes and embarked on an eradication campaign?
Which brings us to the oddest aspect of this tragedy: instead of turning his murderous hatred on the congregants of a mosque, Breivik slaughtered defenseless children attending a Norwegian Labor Party youth camp – all native Norwegians, and not a likely venue in which to find Muslims. The camp, held yearly, is a rite of passage for the children of the ruling Norwegian Labor Party elite – and this reflects another measure of the influence Breivik’s American co-thinkers had on him. Central to the analysis offered by Spencer, and the Islamo-haters in general, is the idea that the West is asleep, and their job is to awaken it to the imminent danger posed by Islam. And this isn’t a benign sleep, in their view, or a natural one: the public has been liberally dosed with the poison of “multiculturalism” by the “elites,” who have engendered a “culture of appeasement.” This sort of language, echoed in Breivik’s “European Declaration of Independence,” is a common theme in counter-jihadist circles. In an interview with Melanie Phillips, author of Londonistan, Frontpage’s Jamie Glazov asks:
“Glazov: Describe for us Britain’s culture of appeasement. What do you think engendered it?
“Phillips: Various factors. First, the kind of moral inversion and cultural slide I’ve just been talking about. Next, sheer funk. Then there’s Britain’s deep reluctance – which it shares with the US – to get stuck into issues of religion. It’s a kind of fastidiousness that religion represents private space into which a liberal society should not intrude –which is fine, all other things being equal, but which of course here they are not.…
“Finally, don’t forget that before a certain Winston Churchill came along and inspired the ‘bulldog breed’ who stoically endured the Blitz and saw off Hitler, Britain in the 1930s was cheering to the echo Neville Chamberlain’s ‘peace in our time’. There is an insularity to the British that leads them to think that, provided they don’t upset anyone beyond their island fastness, nasty people in far-away places will leave them alone. And besides, the British ruling class have always done appeasement. Think of their betrayal of the Jews and kowtowing to the Arabs in Mandatory Palestine.”
Besides an admiration for Winston Churchill, Phillips and Breivik share the same obsession with enforcing cultural purity and blaming decadent liberal elites for a loss of national identity:
“Multiculturalism has turned Britain’s values inside out – and the root cause of the problem is the deconstruction of Britain’s identity. For decades, the British elite has been consumed by loathing of its national identity and values which it decided were racist, authoritarian and generally disagreeable. Much of that was due to our old friend, post-colonial guilt. The elite was therefore vulnerable to the predations of the left, which had signed up to Gramsci’s insight that a society could be suborned by replacing its normative values by the mores of those who transgressed them or were on society’s margins.”
Breivik, too, targets Gramsci and the Frankfurt School as the conspiratorial bogeymen behind the Western elite conspiracy to eradicate traditional culture and – quite improbably – raise the crescent flag over “Londonistan.” So the main enemy, it turns out, isn’t Muslims at all – it’s the “elites,” as Phillips (and Breivik) characterize them, our own leaders who are betraying us. That’s why Breivik turned his gun on the youth camp at Utoya island: he was eliminating future progenitors of the “culture of appeasement,” which Phillips describes with such gusto in her interview with Glazov, describing it as the idea that:
“All cultures were equal to each other and which thus provided minorities with an enormous weapon with which to force the majority to give in to their demands. One of the consequences of this was moral inversion, which holds that since minorities are weak they must always be victims of the majority because it is strong. So even when minorities behave badly, it’s always the majority’s fault. Translate that onto the world stage, and you arrive at the view that even when third world people commit terrorist outrages against the west it must be the west which is to blame. That’s why multicultural Britain said, after 9/11, that America ‘had it coming to them’ – and why, after the London bombings last July, it said the reason British Muslim boys had blown up the London transit system was because of Britain’s support for the US in Iraq.”
As one of Britain’s few but loudmouthed neocons – they actually have a Henry Jackson Society over there! – Phillips couldn’t help putting a foreign policy gloss on her point, because that, indeed, is the point. To the counter-jihadists, such as Phillips – and the David Horowitz types in this country – the goal is to provide enough ideological fuel to keep the flagging “war on terrorism” going. With a war-weary public, and even many Republicans, calling for US withdrawal from Afghanistan, and cuts in the military budget, the War Party is in a panic. They are going into overdrive pushing this “stop the Islamization of the West” campaign as a counterweight to the overwhelming desire of Americans to attend to our own business right here at home.
As the temporary madness imbued by the 9/11 terrorist attacks wore off, a systematic campaign of anti-Muslim provocations was launched, starting with the Muhammad cartoons and ending in the growth of anti-Muslim gangs like the English Defense League. One could attribute this to spontaneous forces acting without direction, but when it comes to the intrigues of nations, I can’t help but think of what Ayn Rand said in, I believe, The Fountainhead: Don’t bother to examine a folly, ask yourself only what it accomplishes.
Who benefits from a wave of anti-Muslim hysteria and terrorism carried out by previously unknown groups such as Breivik’s “Knights Templar Europe”? This is the first but not the last question one has to ask, and other questions naturally follow, such as: how did Breivik manage to finance his terrorist operation, which was begun, full-time, starting in at least 2009? Aside from his own boasting about having started several successful companies, we don’t really know how Breivik made a living through all the years of preparation for his day of terror, except what’s on the public record: his Facebook page, and official records, some of which are coming to light. We know he is the sole director of Breivik Geofarm, a business with 790 employees engaged in growing vegetables. I see no evidence of his having seriously worked for a living, although he did get a degree in management. But what was he managing – and who were the investors? There are also rumors he gave a lot of money to the counter-jihadist movement. Where did it come from?
Aside from these mysteries, however, another point needs to be made, and that is the key link between the theorists of the counter-jihadist movement, such as Phillips, Horowitz, et al., and its practitioners, or street-level activists, such as Breivik. In her Frontpage interview, Phillips is asked what inspired her to write Londonistan. Her answer unlocks the mystery of why Breivik chose to slaughter Norwegian children, whose declining birth rate he decries in his magnum opus, and in particular the children of Norway’s political elite:
“I was just appalled by the fact that, not only had Britain become the key European hub of Islamist extremism and terrorism during the 1990s under the noses of the British authorities, but even after both 9/11 and last year’s suicide bombings in London the British political and security establishment is still appeasing Islamist extremism, and remains in a state of denial about the threat to the west. After the London bombings, when home-grown British Muslim boys set out to murder as many of their fellow British citizens as possible, a senior London police officer went on TV and said that the words Islam and terrorism did not go together. If a threat is so badly misunderstood in this way, it will not be defeated.”
If the British – or Norwegian – political and security establishment has, in effect, gone over to the enemy, then Breivik’s actions – in the context of this implacable Spencerian war between Islam and West – are entirely justified. If the security and political establishment won’t defend the West against the Muslim Threat, then the Knights Templar Europe surely must. Given Phillips’ thesis that the authorities had gone over to the enemy, Breivik could depict himself as a Crusader out to save the West. Along with Phillips, Breivik believes that Western elites aren’t merely inadequate – they’re treasonous Quislings.
Let American neocons try to scramble out of taking responsibility for their European offspring all they want, for all the good it will do them. The family resemblance is too strong to be denied.
And please don’t give me any guff about “guilt by association.” The neocons have been playing that game for years: indeed, they may have invented it. They can dish it out, but they sure can’t take it – well, isn’t that tough?
The neocons should embrace their Prodigal Son, who is at last returning home, and the proof of parentage is right there in front of our eyes: in Breivik’s by now very public utterances, of which we have probably not heard the last. I’m counting the moments until he starts quoting Robert Spencer at his trial.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- A Note to My Readers – June 16th, 2013
- Datagate and the Death of American Liberalism – June 13th, 2013
- Smear Brigade Goes After Snowden – June 11th, 2013
- Edward Snowden, American Hero – June 9th, 2013
- Police-State ‘Progressivism’ – June 6th, 2013





Jeffrey
July 26th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
What is behind the great zeal among elites to flood Western countries with immigrants? Solid majorities in all countries are opposed to this and they sense the end result will be their dispossession and displacement. Is that in fact the goal? Why is the issue largely suppressed in public debate? Even here at antiwar.com, Matt Barganier and his merry band of multiculturalists saw fit to issue a public disclaimer when Justin began to tread into the crucial territory of immigration a few months ago. Justin hasn't dared to "go there" since.
This drive for mass immigration is nothing less than a mania. Last week, the Globe and Mail of Canada published an op-ed calling for Canada to import 70 million immigrants in order to expand its population to 100 million from some 30 million currently. Are the actual people of these countries allowed to have a choice in the matter? Have they been asked?
Jeffrey
July 26th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Link to the Canada op-ed mentioned above. It is a representative example of the elites' unceasing effort to re-engineer the demographics of many of the world's countries. Again, why?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/fulf…
NavyVietnamWar Vet
July 26th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Neocons? – how about calling them by their real names – ZIONISTS!
Runenorway
July 26th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
Excellent piece. Thank You.
johnny in Wi.
July 26th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
It alll goes back to that old neocon crackpot Norman Podhoretz and his using the word Islamo Fascism. I have been arguing with these extremists for almost a decade. The number of times they have called for mass murder of Muslims on these blogs is uncountable. It is a campaign to keep us in wars with a billion and a half Muslims forever so that Israel can control the whole Middle East.
RickR30
July 26th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
Great article. Being a neocon means never having to say you're sorry, never being responsible or accountable, never wrong, never a racist, bigot, idiot. They can always rely on playing the victim card- "betrayal of the jews", israel the perennial planetary victim and the lone warrior on the front fighting whoever he enemy-du-jour is. And there is no shortage of enemies, no moment of peace. If you're not killing the "enemy" you're appeasing him. The horror! How dare the global ruling classes not massacre Muslims, Arabs, Persians, Palestinians (oh, wait, but they are!)? How easily Phillips shifts from the first to the rest, groups them altogether, and expects no one to notice. Not unlike what US politicians do. Our list of enemies keeps expanding: Baathists, Iraqis, Taliban, Afghans, Pakistanis, none of whom had anything to do with 9/11, but what the heck, we're already over there, we might as well kill someone having a wedding party. The Zionization of US foreign politics continues just fine, thanks to all the "training" by raving racists like Spencer, and countless Israeli "experts".
I wonder, if it's acceptable to believe in a world-wide conspiracy of Muslims to install a global Caliphate to destroy the West, is it also acceptable to believe in a world-wide Zionist conspiracy to control the media, the justice system, politics, finance to destroy the West? By the relaxed logic of Horror-witz and Mr. Swindle, I can't see why not. Can one imagine a website monitoring Zionist activites, an office in the State Department to monitor and control anti-muslim/arab activities?
Yonatan
July 27th, 2011 at 12:41 am
Mass murder of an entire religious group? That sounds familiar. I'm sure I've read about that sort of thing in modern history books.
Wolfgang9
July 27th, 2011 at 2:41 am
[1] The reason is: the US is bombing those people's countries and destroying their social structure. These are poor, very poor people, with NO education who come to Europe as Immigrants since they look just for a living. The US has not the same problem (and is completely insensitive toward that Western European problem) since those guys cannot conquer the Ocean, even the Mediterrian is not easy to cross for them.
Wolfgang9
Wolfgang9
July 27th, 2011 at 2:42 am
[2]
I just love these two articles by Justin (and pointed friends at that), since Justin uncovers what ideas are underneath. Here in Europe the MSM blame everuything on "Rightwings", where the uneducated person understand people of some small parties who are among others critical of Multi-Kulti and Israel, and which are associated many times as "Antisemites". This is what MSM and the Socialists and Greenies in Germany are telling and which is a big lie! Those people are mainly against uncontrolled immigration into the social systems of Western Europe, against what is called Multi-Kulti, but they certainly do NOT want to go to arabic countries and kill those people! But this is obviously the aim of those Neocons to reduce the globes population by killing Moslems and is maybe related to what the "Club of Rome" is talking about.
tadzio
July 27th, 2011 at 3:40 am
Melanie Phillips lives in Bizarrostan.
"There is an insularity to the British that leads them to think that, provided they don’t upset anyone beyond their island fastness, nasty people in far-away places will leave them alone. Yep, That's how they got an empire that spanned the globe, by staying at home.
"And besides, the British ruling class have always done appeasement." Falkland Islands anyone? For centuries the British ruling classes were the most aggressive beings on the planet.
"Think of their betrayal of the Jews and kowtowing to the Arabs in Mandatory Palestine.” Hmmm. Britain's mandate laid the foundation for Israel. They started with an Arab land and turned it into a Zionist land. It was the Arabs who were betrayed.
The woman is delusional.
Fritz Adam
July 27th, 2011 at 3:48 am
Berwick’s Manifesto: http://www.kevinislaughter.com/wp-content/uploads…
All this talk, why not read what Breivik wrote:
You cannot defeat Islamisation or halt/reverse the Islamic colonization of Western Europe
without first removing the political doctrines manifested through multiculturalism/cultural Marxism…
The compendium, – “2083 – A European Declaration of Independence” – documents through more than 1000 pages that the fear of Islamisation is all but irrational.
It offers thorough analysis of Islam, which is unknown to a majority of Europeans. It documents how the political doctrines known as multiculturalism/cultural Marxism/cultural relativism was created and implemented.Multiculturalists/cultural Marxists usually operate under the disguise of humanism. A majority are anti-nationalists and want to deconstruct European identity, traditions, culture and even nation states.
Raymondo take notice and your writings will use fewer words and be less confusing…
Geo1671
July 27th, 2011 at 4:26 am
Both American Election Parties are Zionist.The weasel word Neoconservative applies to both country wreckers. Obama and his Israel Firster'ers are going bust 2012 and handing control back the shadowyRepubics Israel firsters . If I was Obama , I'd run for cover and let the Republicans take over and them schmucks deal with the big mess brewing 2012-20
hyperbola
July 27th, 2011 at 4:32 am
Used to be we needed the "communists" for the "chosen ones" to justify their privileges and power. When that evaporated, another "subhuman enemy" was urgently needed. In fact, while being led around by the nose by the "elite", there are even those who try to mix the two!
Of course, these kinds of "ploys" by the rich and powerful to keep the "hoi polloi" dumb and easy to fleece have been the stock in trade of every tin-pot dictatorship since the dawn of time. Exists in every country and there are always the gullible that are easy to lead around by the nose while their pocket is picked.
Which Islam are you talking about? Turkey (about 80 million to "exterminate"), Indonesia (another 240 million), Ethiopia (another 25 million), Egypt (another 65 millkion), Morocco (another 30 million), Bangladesh (another 130 million), Pakistan (another 180 million), ……
Apparently you are still stuck in the Nazi-style "master-race" ideologies that resulted in killing 120 million people in WWII.
But suppose we accept your thesis. You would then agree that no non-moslems should be allowed in moslem countries? Including all the oil and other corporations?
Or are you words just more "propaganda" for rape and pillage? Or propaganda for "free passes" for zionists to continue with the world's biggest refugee problem (the over seven million christians and moslems that they have ethnic cleansed)?
No credibility in your hate screeds.
richard vajs
July 27th, 2011 at 5:08 am
A prime promoter of Zionism in America, is the "Evangelical" movement of Christianity. The "evangelicals" are connected at the hip with the conservative Republicans (eg Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann) with their paranoid militarism, hatred of the poor and the dispossessed, their reverence for power and wealth and slavish devotion to the land-stealing, apartheid country of Israel.
This perverse form of Christianity is as good a candidate for the Anti-Christ label as exists.
Paul H
July 27th, 2011 at 5:19 am
Fantastic article Justin. "the Bush administration and their neoconservative Rasputins" just made my days sitting in Russian history class all the more worthwhile.
John V. Walsh
July 27th, 2011 at 5:41 am
"Islamofascism" was coined by the despicable neocon come lately, Christopher Hitchens.
John V. Walsh
July 27th, 2011 at 5:44 am
Great piece. Justin has admirable fortitude to wade through all the neocon crap to make this analysis.
jw
Avi Gillon
July 27th, 2011 at 6:38 am
Melanie Phillips: "And besides, the British ruling class have always done appeasement. Think of their betrayal of the Jews and kowtowing to the Arabs in Mandatory Palestine."
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Riiiiight. The British ruling class 'betrayed' the Zionist movement by ….. giving it Palestine on a silver platter.
Melanie Phillips seems to have contracted that up-is-down virus that infects many a ZioNeoCon brain.
No, actually, I know what it is, it's the same reaction we now see from AIPAC's treatment of Obama. Obama has given Israel 30 billion dollars for the next ten years, advanced military hardware, nuclear weapons cooperation, a carte blanche to veto UN resolutions, and yet — as far as Israel is concerned — Obama is as good as an anti-Semitic devil.
The term delusional doesn't begin to describe this Phillips character.
musings
July 27th, 2011 at 6:38 am
It seems to me that among neocons ratcheting up the fear of Sharia law in America and the extension of a some caliphate in the Mideast, there can be an outlet for their racism towards blacks and Hispanics in America. In a group which prizes racial purity, one no longer has to speak of it explicitly. Thus the strange bedfellow coalition in red states becomes more understandable, if one part of the group wants to expel Moslems from America and Europe, and the other part wants to encircle and starve out the Palestinians so as to enjoy a Moslem-free Israel. Apartheid is their preferred mode of life, but their hatred must also be cloaked in the quest for security, so that they can create more adherents through fear. The kid picked on at school has found common cause with the school bully, in directing his firepower at another victim.
Avi Gillon
July 27th, 2011 at 6:40 am
If you have to ask why your racism is being marginalized, then you don't deserve an answer. You're so deep in the abyss that to bother with you would be futile. You need help.
Terrance&Philip
July 27th, 2011 at 6:51 am
Once a Trotskyite, always a Trotskyite.
Before his "reformation" and defection to the conservative camp, Horowitz embraced an ideology of perpetual war of socialism vs. capitalism. Now, as a neocon, he embraces the idea that the west is perpetually at war with Islam.
How true it is: The leopard cannot change his spots.
Terrance&Philip
July 27th, 2011 at 6:56 am
Scratch a neocon, and you'll find a Trotskyite.
Until three decades ago, they primarily saw the left as their vehicle to achieve world domination. Now, after the fall of the USSR and infesting the right, they see a US military hegemony as their chief vehicle to achieving global domination.
With their breezy calls to wipe out innocent men, women and children, (only because of who they are), they join the ranks of people like H**** and St***n.
liveload
July 27th, 2011 at 7:10 am
Some of the comments the Norway attacks have generated are quite telling. We have been lurching towards the precipce of a darkness that I can only describe as the kind which ultimately consumed the Third Reich.
SeriousCitizen
July 27th, 2011 at 7:10 am
Thank you very much, Justin, for this analysis. It is timely and truthful. There is a bit of US history that needs to be remembered. In the 1920s, there was a revival of the KKK in NY, NJ, OH, PA, IN, IL and other northern states, based on irrational fears of Catholic immigrants. Almost everything we hear now against Muslims was said then about the Irish, Italian, and Polish immigrants. Instead of Sharia Law, it was rule-of-the-Pope that people feared. The Catholic immigrants blindly obeyed their priests. The Catholic immigrants were oppressive of women just at the time US women were getting their freedoms of vote, education, careers, birth control, and how they dress. The Catholic immigrants had large families and would win the demographic war. The Catholic immigrants were organizing themselves to take over major cities, whole states, and the Presidency. The Catholic immigrants were violent, in their gangs and their unions. President McKinley was assassinated by a Catholic Polish immigrant. The free, democratic (and WASP) USA was in danger of being destroyed. Hence, the appeal of the KKK to mobilize in community cells, to prepare to fight to defend America from Catholic control. Turns out, that all of the projected fears were mere fantasy. The Pope never did get to rule the USA. There is a lesson in this history for the Islamophobia that is sweeping Europe.
musings
July 27th, 2011 at 8:02 am
And here I am, a product of the ur-WASPs and the Irish, with my brother married to an Italian Catholic. Our father used to joke that our mom's family voted for the party of Rum, Romanism and Rebellion. I am virtually certain that if such a trend were to continue into this and the next century, we'll add Iraqis and others to the multi-branched tree. Years ago, my friend, science fiction writer, Jonathan V. Post portrayed me in a futuristic world as having Irish-Iraqi cheekbones. Now it seems prescient.
MvGuy
July 27th, 2011 at 8:09 am
" If a threat is so badly misunderstood in this way, it will not be defeated.”
UUUUUMMMMMMmmmmmm Let's see: A new leader comes on-stage with his Neocon entourage.
He gets his people installed in the nations key power positions…. Eight months later there is a terrible terrorist attack….. which, oddly, is NOT defended… Strange occurrences consume large portions of the remaining evidence… & the administration decides NOT to conduct ANY public investigation! Does he FIRE those responsible for intelligence and military failures…??? No!! He promotes them…!!! The dog that did not bark, NSA head Michael Hayden, is promoted to TOP intelligence job.. The "acting" head of the Joint Chiefs on 911, General Myers was elevated to that post on Oct 1, 2001….
mezenc
July 27th, 2011 at 8:18 am
Justin,
Your argument that its only the neocons and their hate campaign is weak. If the attacks of September 11, 2001 were committed by 19 Muslims acting on ideology that has to do with their religion, then the fear – widespread, as in Ground Zero Mosque hysteria – is entirely justified. The public would naturally and logically think that with 1.3 billion Muslims worldwide, there must be thousands with that ideology. Therefore, the wise thing is to keep Muslims out of your environment. You don't know the bad ones just by looking at them.
You are protecting a bizarre theory of the attacks. That theory has resulted in a paranoid hatred of Muslims. After 7 or 8 years, the government explained the collapse of Building 7, the one that wasn't hit by an airplane: thermal expansion. It just got too hot in there and the building blew up! Never happened before, never happened since and no regulations for how to fight fires in skyscrapers have been changed. To believe the official story, you have to believe a one time only anomaly. Or hide it.
And everything else, everything you complain about, results from that.
ML3
July 27th, 2011 at 8:47 am
is it also acceptable to believe in a world-wide Zionist conspiracy to control the media, the justice system, politics, finance to destroy the West?
ABSOLUTELY!!!
US leaders want that same level of non-accountability that Israel achieved after their war in 1967, where they STOLE land after they STARTED a war with Syria and Egypt.
This land should have been returned and thus set the precedent – there is the international law America expects everyone else to follow, and then there is Israel, exempt from all laws and criticism – the furious spinning and turning logic on its head from the AIPACers here is getting tragicomically ridiculous and will ultimately result in that nasty nation's downfall
Let's hope everyone gets around to the same forward thinking attitude that Norway has towards the Chosen Supremacist Phonies – hell, Israel's dirty Mossad can't false flag everyone, can they?
Can they?
RED DAVE
July 27th, 2011 at 8:59 am
However, Pat Buchanan, one of Justin's cohorts on this website had this to say:
"As for a climactic conflict between a once-Christian West and an Islamic world that is growing in numbers and advancing inexorably into Europe for the third time in 14 centuries, on this one, Breivik may be right.."
RED DAVE
RED DAVE
July 27th, 2011 at 9:01 am
Too bad you don't know what a Trotskyist is.
And, by the way, Horowitz was never a Trotskyist.
MvGuy
July 27th, 2011 at 9:20 am
So it's the sui generis……..again and again and again…. Is it NORMAL…????
John_Muhammad
July 27th, 2011 at 9:29 am
Who benefits from Breivik's anti-Muslim campaign, even if it was directed at non-Muslims? Who indeed. I am content that eventually the truth concerning his financing and handling will come out and we will find the arrows pointing to Washington and Tel Aviv. The rats are already scattering as their connections come to light.
Thomas L. Knapp
July 27th, 2011 at 9:46 am
"Riiiiight. The British ruling class 'betrayed' the Zionist movement by ….. giving it Palestine on a silver platter. "
If by "giving it Palestine on a silver platter" you mean fighting a brutal 20-year street war against Zionists, hanging Zionists, rigorously enforcing a ban on Jewish migration to Palestine, arming the Arabs while blockading to prevent the Zionists from acquiring arms, turning the Mandate government infrastructure (including the Taggart Forts) over to the Arabs on their departure, and officering the chief invading army of 1948, the Arab Legion, yeah, sure, the British "gave the Zionists Palestin on a silver platter." But that seems like an awfully strange definition.
Kevin W. Cornell
July 27th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Justin,
I am a huge fan of yours and a donater to this site. Still, while I am a hardcore private property anarchist and a strict foreign policy non-interventionist, I believe multiculturalism and radical Islam pose way more cause for worry than you seem willing to admit. That of course does not mean the U.S. should invade and occupy Middle Eastern countries, but that we need to recognize the potential dangers posed by all organized religions that are based on archaic "holy books" with passages that, if taken literally, justify some truly monstrous actions.
liveload
July 27th, 2011 at 10:17 am
I found this to be quite awesome.
http://uberhumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/U…
Jeffrey
July 27th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Mass immigration is the domestic face of neoconservatism.
rodney
July 27th, 2011 at 11:17 am
is that war monger chrotopher hithcin not from engnand the very heart of evil in this world?
The United Kingdom is the closest western country to a de facto police state. Surveillance cameras are everywhere. No Bill of Rights (in law or practice), and by living there you acknowledge that you are a subject of the British Crown. Britain is a great place, but it is not exactly a place where freedom flourishes compared with the United States, France or Canada.
Given the above, it is very easy to envision a scenario where the police could and would build a campaign of quiet intimidation against men like Mr. Webley and Mr. Hoare. London police were on the payroll of a Murdoch enterprise; why wouldn’t they act to protect their racket?
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rodney
July 27th, 2011 at 11:22 am
We recall that Hitler justified his invasion of Czechoslovakia on the grounds that the ethnic Germans in the Sudetenland were being mistreated and abused by their fellow Czechoslovaks.
Hitler's Germany was much more descent and honest than today's Anglo fascists.
At least they provided weapons by own money, not borrowing from China on their own people's expense.
Hitler would be envious of the lies and deception of the anglosaxon race- the angloamericaqn evil that finds some inexcusable excuse to invade other countries with blatant lies-even Hitler was right in saying that sud deautchen supported his invasion of chechoslavavia in 1938 unlike Iraqis and most of Libyans who didn’t to welcome angloamerican evil forces.
so Hitler was not justified in invading Czechoslovakia on invitation from fellow Germans there but allies so called angloamerican allies are justified in invading Libya because some armed insurgents of CIA brand invited Anglos to bomb Libya because Gadhafi wouldn’t hand over power to armed insurgents and hold on to his legitimate government. Hitler was
never that cruel compared to what the angloamerican bastards have done all cruel crimes in their colonies for last 200 years and are still doing in abufgharib, Gitmo, and to other places with bombing ,killing civilians in broad day light and every time.
it is high time that this evil anglosaxon race be sorted out by the rest of non anglorsaxon races who should attack Anglos and kill hem and relive the world of the evil burden.
RICHARD CARDULLA
July 27th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Excellent comment. It sums it up.
rodney
July 27th, 2011 at 11:37 am
that evangelical movement is english -british firster. ityis no coincidence. the british have controleld usa since 1812 through traitors in usa who are now a days called patriots! like southern baptist sand sonfederate lkovers. zionism is their one ploy theya re basically for spuremecuy of england over all.
rodney
July 27th, 2011 at 11:41 am
very true -in fact so called jewsih lobby" power is a propaganda done by the english race to hide thier nefarious iterference in the american ploicy to uinflunce american domestic and foreing policy for the benefit of england.
1999.
how england has used jews for the benfit of english race only and for deliberatily creating disruption in Europe.
England had threatened israel in 1948 during israeli war of indepdence that england would use atom bomb agaisnt israel unless israel stop ddrowning royal air foarce palnes and pilots who were helping Jordan against israel.
the same england was in upsroar in july 1981 when isrea;l attakced iraq's nuclear reactor-just check out theier papers of the time
the same ngland was leading charge agasint isreal in june 82 when isreal attacked palestinain terrorists inside lebanon-that was at t time when england was in illegal occupation for malvinas island.
that is short glimpse of how much england and anglosaxon race care about jews and israel.
look at editorails of the times, the newsweek during those crucial perios of june 82 and see how they(the TImes, the gaurdian, BBC, ITV) were suggesting that israel or atleast tel aviv should be bombed.-just chek the british papers and bbc clips from april 82 to august 82.Also check those british bastrds joutrnlism hist in the month of summer 1981 when iraqi nuclear planty was bombed by the isralis and the british were the first-along with iraq -to protest agasint the israeli action.
It is very interesting that the same type of english people(who are anti-communists, anti-blacks, anti-muslims, anti-catolics) started the same sort of propaganda(like used against russians and communists) against The Germans.the Frenchs and Europeans in general. First England did not want germany united(though during cold war it suggested that only Russians are against it). soon after German reunification and even before disintegration of Soviet union ,England changed the lie-tactics(through media and government) against Europe. There is one more thing. nato was supposed to counter warsaw pact, with the latter gone there was no discussion as to nato should be wound uop or not. Europe does not need nato. Europe can have and should have her own defence system as is the Germo-Franco_Italian_Spanish collaboration. that European defence pact must be stengthened rather than germany supporting nato. Actually england needs nato to prop up its nasty influence in military matters. With the help of usa and nato has england been able to prop up her influence. In fact england is ant-Europe and through nato it wants to keep a tab on european affairs and not let Europe get strong on her own. As england can not do this own her own it has let America involved in it(during empire days england hardly shared power with America but it needs America now). Germany or Europe does not need nato. In fact nato is the greatest enemy(through england)of germany and europe. How can england be so much anti-Germany,working dso much against German interests and be a major parterner in common defence pact?It is a ludicrous situation. England manipulates financial market(in last8 years through recession and what not london market has risen 3 fold while far Eastern markets-who are the main producers of consumer goods-has fallen drastically.). That is why it pumped up the value of pound before joing european sustem-ofcourse it was unsustainable but for devaluation of pounds the Germans and some jews(as said by bbc) were blamed. As england does not want German or any other European country to get economically strong and be financially independent of london market, it opposed Single currency vehemently.Even a so called left-paper like Guardian was suggesting that if Shroeder(of german spd party) were the chancellor than he would give more say(than others in europe) to England-so it would have been good. In other word they want special treatment for themselves. Why? When they talk of sovereignity is england not the main country pushing, threatning and cajoling the thirld world to accept World bank and IMF(created by america for englands interest) so called structral reform regardless of people's wishes. If other countries's destiny can be controlled by bureacrats in IMF. then why not England's by European's bureacrats? England is the most bureactic and centralised country in europe with all the regional making machinery smashed by the government with the help of bbc and all other propaganda machinery. And that England talks of local development and burocracy of European commission.
mickperry
July 27th, 2011 at 11:55 am
Joseph Stack's manifesto can hardly be compared to the work of a deranged racist psychopath, and the two actual spectacles are also markedly different. Whereas Anders Behring Breivik became famous by wantonly and indiscriminately slaughtering, and then attempting to evade capture, Joseph Stack on the other hand carried out a self immolation; more akin in fact to the people who set themselves afire in Tunisia and then Egypt during the early months of this year. Whereas these latter events proved to be a catalyst for popular rebellion, Stack's effort went largely unnoticed in the US, maybe because Americans have by now become used to people flying aeroplanes into buildings and so they tend not to pay too much attention to these kind of things anymore, lest they become confused.
As to whether the US is at war with a billion Muslims, we have to regrettably conclude that it is, and that is also losing this war. The reasons are obvious.
When the hyper-Calvinists and Spanish conquistadors first arrived on the shores of the Americas they must surely have not been able to believe their luck. They found a people who couldn't understand the idea of 'owning' land, and also a happy, child like and generous people. All of the contemporary accounts point to the fact that these indigenous people wound up being hunted down like dogs and wiped out. This seems to have become a habit with the US ever since, as our world has grown larger and by now all encompassing. When it comes to getting along with the neighbours the story of the US seems to indicate a pattern, so today what with six Muslim countries invaded since the turn of the new Christian millenium, what kind of a dwark would even bother to ask the question? Are we at war with a billion Muslims? Is it a losing thing? Duh?
Sallam, Shalom, Peace. antiwar.
One world. Come and join it America, because the only alternative for you would seem to be to destroy us all while destroying yourselves in the process. Lately, when Ahmadinejad says “The US is the Great Satan”, I've got to admit I've been having the self same thoughts myself. Given the situation, who doesn't?
Kevin Bjornson
July 27th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Justin, Justin…your article is an embarrassment .
Let's start with you startling contention that Anders had 790 employees.
The link you provide as proof, does go to a Norwegian government website
which provides information about Geofarm. However "790" is part of an address,
not the number of employees. "Sektorkode" is Norwegian for "sector code".
Anders' parents were left wing members of the Labor party. Like so many you
admire, when you're not admiring neo-nazis like the late Hader of Austria.
He rebelled against his parents, his father left the home when Anders was
aged one, and he was raised by his feminist mother. From his parents and
the Norwegian educational system, Anders accepted the leftwing view of what
a right-winger would be like, but embraced instead of rejected that role.
This is comparable to a child rebelling against fundamentalist parents,
who accepts their view of what defines an atheist or agnostic. Such biased
views are almost invariably wrong.
What's next–you going to blame ol' Al Gore for the Unabomber
(whom Anders plagiarized)? Do we blame Noam Chomsky (whom
you admire) for terrorists like the late Osama bin Laden, who quoted
Chomsky?
Rusty
July 27th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Nice reply. It is straight out of the playbook. Cry racism, suggest the guy is mentally disturbed and don't answer his question.
Justn Raimondo
July 27th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
I stand corrected on the number of employees question, but I don't see what rebelling against his parents has to do with his ideological infliuences. And I don't know what you are referring to when you say I admire Nazis: Haider was far from a Nazi, and rather than admiring him I simply characterized him politically and wondered what the EU was doing interfering in Austrian elections.
The "counter-jihadists" spawned Breivik: they can run from the truth, but they can't hide.
michael
July 27th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
This is a interesting article.Let me tell you what is going on. Al-Islam is no threat to Western culture.Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) instructed this followers to do nothing to eradicate the culture of any people.Now some Muslim behavior it is not consistant with his instructions.The Quran instructs Muslims if a Church is being assailed we are to defend the Church.Al-Islam should not be judged by Muslims but Muslims should be judge by the Quran.Salahudin was also a physician who concealed his presence in the camp of Richard The Lionheart who was at that time ill,he entered his tent determined his illness and treated him,the treatment healed him…this suggest a common recognition of shared humanity.No culture is threaten by enlightment it is poisoned by stagnation.
liveload
July 27th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
"This is comparable to a child rebelling against fundamentalist parents,
who accepts their view of what defines an atheist or agnostic. Such biased
views are almost invariably wrong. "
Are you f#cking high?
"rebellious children" don't set off bombs and gun people down by the dozens.
What's next, you're gonna claim he's just a poor abused child who's simply misunderstood?
Rusty
July 27th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
The "counter-jihadists" spawned Breivik: they can run from the truth, but they can't hide.
The people who spawned Breivik are the ones who implemented the immigration and multiculti policies that Breivik and so many others detested. Just like our foreign policy can cause 'blowback', their policies apparently did too.
Jeffrey
July 27th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
Well said.
RickR30
July 27th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Absolutely, and no more deadly and dangerous religion than one that posits some folks as god's chosen people and the rest as below animals.
RickR30
July 27th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
Are you saying that Islam brings enlightenment to the West? Not so sure about that but I sure hope that all Muslims recognize the shared humanity of all- unlike practitioners of that other desert religion…
Jeffrey
July 27th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
Although we aren't used to thinking of it this way, both conflicts share a striking commonality. The roots of both lie in the fundamental provocation of anti-democratic mass immigration (read: invasion). In respect of the Middle East conflict, that provocation was–and continues to be–the Zionist 'immigration' into Palestine.
Cynthia
July 27th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Given that Breivik is an avid supporter of the Zionist state of Israel, it seems to me like he deliberately committed his mass killings in Norway on the 65th anniversary of the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. It appears as though, at least to me it does, that Breivik was emulating the Irgun, the infamous Zionist paramilitary group that not only bombed the King David Hotel on July 22, 1946, but terrorized and killed scores of Palestinian Arabs, from the late 1930s to the late 1940s.
And since the Irgun was a political predecessor to Israel's right-wing Herut (or "Freedom") party, which led to today's Likud party, an investigation should be conducted to determine whether or not Benjamin Netanyahu and other prominent Likudniks deserve some of the blame for the mass killings in Norway. And if they do, then, by all means, they should be put back on the terrorist watch list, where they belong!
By the way, here's a snapshot for Norwegian teens waving Palestinian flags at a Labor party youth camp one day before the horrific spree killing on the island of Utøya, leaving 68 of them dead:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4134/4859983826_11…
Jan Burton
July 27th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
What is with you truther nutters and WTC7?
No one but you clowns ever said it "blew up."
Jan Burton
July 27th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
For many on the right-wing this does indeed look pretty bad.
Take away the assault weapons and the car bomb and this terrorist was Mark Steyn or one of a number of other popular right-wing pundits.
Reading the terrorist's "manifesto" I saw many claims (some true, some exaggerated) that are popular on the right, especially the notion of a liberal elite purposefully destroying their nations.
Europeans have good reasons for being wary of Islamic immigration on cultural grounds (they would indeed be better off getting their immigrants from elsewhere), but the inflammatory talk of "Eurabia" and imminent conquest by jihadi hordes is the kind of rhetoric that can easily turn into terrorism if taken to their next logic step.
I'm sure that 99.9% of the Eurabia crowd does not advocate violence, but if you are a paranoid loner and you accept that a vast-Leftie-Muslim conspiracy exists that aims to destroy you and your ethnic kin, then striking back is perfectly logical.
And it isn’t simply lunacy either, and was not simply random slaughter. This terrorist, like the Chechen Islamists who massacred the children of Beslan, had a clear political goal. A seemingly insane goal, granted, but one firmly rooted in mainstream conservative rhetoric.
Jan Burton
July 27th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
Sadly, the Muslim world is generally not a place that can be called liberal, tolerant or progressive.
Hence the fears of many Europeans as to the wisdom of importing Muslims.
RickR30
July 27th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
With a healthy dose of mad neocon rhetoric, which isn't mainstream at all. Not sure what any of this has to do with the Chechen butchers of Beslan, who weren't rooted in anything mainstream, nor conservative.
Lou
July 27th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
"Neocons? – how about calling them by their real names – ZIONISTS!"
The unvarnished truth….
Avi Gillon
July 27th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Nice historical revisionism there nappy, knappy. Try harder next time. Hint: when you cherry pick your facts, you come across as a hack, which you are.
Avi Gillon
July 27th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Which playbook might that be?
When you and your girlfriend, Jeffrey, quit using the Mein Kampf as a guidebook, let me know. For the time being, I don't want to dirty the floor by wiping it with filth like you two.
liberranter
July 27th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Which playbook might that be?
In your case the Zionist playbook.
MvGuy
July 28th, 2011 at 6:10 am
UUUUUMMMMMMMmmmm.. Lemme see… First we get a new leader with an entourage of people with hyper loyalty to a certain OTHER country and a desire for that country to be the regional hegemon. Some of the highest placed have signed a manifesto calling for:
[* Reposition permanently based forces to Southern Europe, Southeast Asia and the Middle East;
* Modernize U.S. forces, including enhancing our fighter aircraft, submarine and surface fleet capabilities;
* Develop and deploy a global missile defense system, and develop a strategic dominance of space;
* Control the "International Commons" of cyberspace;
* Increase defense spending to a minimum of 3.8 percent of gross domestic product, up from the 3 percent currently spent.
*fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars," and to "perform the 'constabulary' duties associated with shaping the security environment in critical regions.
*"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor" [ lifted from William Rivers Pitts]
Nine months later we get "A New Pearl Harbor" BUT much of the evidence of the attacks is destroyed or sold off to China ….. AND!!! The Adm decides there will be NO public investifation of the largest attack on American soil in history Very quickly we see a "New Enabling Act." surface AKA Patriot act… Then the adm invades Afghanistan and Iraq………….. Mein Kamph??"? Someone is using the nazi playbook alright and it ISN'T Jeffry…!!!
MvGuy
July 28th, 2011 at 6:29 am
More evidence here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100
michael
July 28th, 2011 at 10:18 am
There is a statement that goes like this"laws of nature and of nature's God " this points to inherent knowledge placed in every thing created by G-d.None of us have a monopoly on knowledge or the insights extracted from any field or discipline.There has being since humanity appeared on earth and exchange of infomation between cultures,Al-Islam's focus by way of Prophet Mohammed(pbuh) is to persue knowledge even in the distant land then of China.The more minds that study a thing the more potential for greater revealation of knowledge hence insights.Al-Islam has certainly brought great enlightenment to the West,likewise the West has brought great enlightenment to the East….the problem is corrupt elements in both camps like boogey men.
musings
July 28th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
What chutzpah to weigh in on the side of the fantasist who turned his Walter Mitty dreams to reality. But sadly, I expect that of Buchanan. He does not really seem Christian to me, what is more.
How could a Christian (and a Catholic at that) seriously object to Hispanics moving to the US? Admittedly, we have centuries of illiteracy to deal with – deliberate ignorance promoted by Spanish rule, both in the Western Hemisphere and at home (where white Spanish peasants have been unschooled well into the 20th century). But still – if he is a Catholic, he should see that his own group has been responsible – at least the powerful Spanish element, now even represented in our Supreme Court – for the very ignorance that he is afraid may be sweeping our country in the form of a Latin American peasantry.
I guess I have to fall back on the Ayn Rand quote (though her person was less rational) – "Don't stop to examine a (foolish idea) – ask what it accomplishes." Indeed.
musings
July 28th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
With all due respect to you about the initial bands of Calvinists (whom I have recently studied, and from whom I am in part descended): they tended to find some land uninhabited yet cleared due to some epidemics which had happened prior to their landing – due to contact between the Native Americans and Breton and Portugese fisherman. They had no defenses for these diseases and contrary to the story about blankets being full of deliberately placed microbes, nobody in those days understood the germ theory of disease transition (hence terms like "malaria" – bad air). The Pilgrims had a relationship that held with the Natives for about 50 years. One of the sources of strife was the European rivalries on the East Coast. In 1704, for instance, when my ancestor died fighting in the Deerfield Massacre, the source of the problem was Queen Anne's War with Louis XIV, and the Indians who fought on either side were allies with one of those two powers. Other natives probably allied with the Netherlands (just to make it more complicated). Long Island was split between Dutch and British and the Indian tribes were played off or used as allies accordingly.
It wasn't just genocide – in fact I am shocked to discover that my family's menfolk almost all died in hideous warfare in swamps and such, cut down by Native Americans – or they were ambushed on their farms. Many women were carried off into Canada by French and Indians (long before the war of that name). It was brutal and not a piece of cake for the English at all. I imagine that after the initial Conquistador perfidy, plenty of Hispanics settled down and started families with the natives. They needed their agriculture. It was a complex set of relationships. Of course in the European capitals and ministries, things looked like frank oppression, but down on the ground it evolved into something else. In America, the frank genocide started happening with Jackson, I guess.
mickperry
July 28th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
I'll check brother Jackson, and thanks. As a Brit I ought to know more about my own civil war, let alone somebody else's, but how about this? From Bart De Ligt, writing in 1937, in a book called 'The Conquest of Violence.'
"That is why the Quaker experiment met with such success in Pennsylvania, a state with no army, as large as England, which maintained itself for more than seventy years without any violence whatsoever. While the Redskins, considering themselves in a state of legitimate defence, continually attacked and killed the whites, who in turn were always attacking and killing them, they spared not only all the Quaker farms in America, even the most isolated of them, whose doors were also open day and night. The 'holy experiment' in Pennsylvania did not come to an end until the Quakers there had become a minority, owing to an influx of the other whites into the country. Then the war habit reappeared. But the Redskins always continued to respect the members of non-violent Christian sects."
It's maybe important to note that he was talking about the Quakers there and then, and not here today. The book is about non violence in general, but the citations listed so far as 'The Redskins' go are as follows. Thanks again.
MacLeod. The American Indian Frontier.
Allen. The Fight For Peace.
De Ligt. La Paix Creatrice.
San Fernando Curt
July 28th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
"…The elite was therefore vulnerable to the predations of the left, which had signed up to Gramsci’s insight that a society could be suborned by replacing its normative values by the mores of those who transgressed them or were on society’s margins.”
Well… she's right, there. In the West, multiculturalism isn't civic intersection tolerant of all cultures, or even one asserting all cultures have equal value. It's one of societal fragmentation through identity politics – group self-worship paraded as suppressed "history" and contribution. Once any population segment claims victimhood, it can demand self-aggrandizing tribute that makes demands of North Korean despots look like Mennonite prayers. These isolated cultural shards pay lip service to "solidarity" but share only contempt for the host culture – summarized as white, straight, gentile males.
telson
July 30th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Quran Sura 5:
20 both the Jews and the Christians say: "we are the sons of Allah, and his beloved." say: "why then doth he punish you for your sins? nay, ye are but men,– of the men he hath created: he forgiveth whom he pleaseth. and he punisheth whom he pleaseth: and to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto him is the final goal of all."
21 O people of the book! now hath come unto you, making things clear unto you, our apostle, after the break in the series of our apostles, lest ye should say: "there came unto us no bringer of glad tidings and no warner from evil": but now hath come unto you a bringer of glad tidings and a warner from evil. and Allah hath power over all things.
22 remember Moses said to his people: "O my people! call in remembrance the favor of Allah unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what he had not given to any other among the peoples."
23 "O my people! enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin."
Muslims try to destroy Israel, and demand areas of Israel's land for themselves. Muslims say that some areas of Israel belong to the Palestinians. The Quran declares that Allah has given the land of Israel for Jews, which is their holy land.
The Muslims fight against the announcement of the Quran when try to destroy Israel and take over the land of Israel. The Palestinian issue and the Middle East problems would be solved if the Muslims would believe the Quran and to allow the Israelis to live in their own land, which belongs to them. Of course, it would be best if they would believe in the Lord Jesus and the Bible, because, then they really know to whom the land of Israel belongs to. The rich Arab countries could re-colonize the Palestinian Arabs, and to give them a good home and a livelihood, because they can afford to it by many billions of oil incomes. The Arabs don't want to do this, but they want to keep Palestinian Arabs in misery as well as a shield and an excuse against Israel.
The land of Israel is the target of ongoing Arab terrorism. Some of the attacks carried out through Palestine. That's why Israel has to keep tight control for Palestinian Arabs. The problem would be eliminated if the Arabs would believe the Quran, which says that Allah granted the land of Israel to the Jews. Resettlement of the Palestinian Arabs back to the various Arab countries would be the solution, where they are originally from. This would be very easy to organize for Arab multi-millionaires.
Whole article: http://koti.phnet.fi/petripaavola/differencesqura…
Kevin Bjornson
July 30th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
I see. When MSM supports your anti-anti-Jihadist theories, you support their views.
MSM is trying to paint this as an anti-Jihadist operation. The facts are otherwise.
Virtually all of his victims were native Norwegians, and both targets were affiliated
with the Labor party. He didn't go out and kill Muslims, he attacked the Prime
Minister's office (head of their Labor government) and youths at a Labor summer camp.
I didn't say Haider was a Nazi; I said "neo-Nazi" and there is plenty of evidence for that: http://pa.oxfordjournals.org/content/45/3/285.ext…
Here, Haider claimed that the Third Reich had managed to implement
"a competent employment policy". Agree with that, Justin?