Although assassination has become the leading cause of death among Iraqi males, the Iraqi government has its priorities straight: they’re enacting a ban on public smoking. As the New York Times reports, the law – already passed by the Parliament, and now up for an obligatory second reading – “would ban smoking from schools, universities, government offices and a wide range of private businesses, including restaurants and cafes. Billboards advertising cigarettes, which wallpaper commercial districts of Baghdad, would be outlawed. And cigarette companies would be forced to print harsher warning labels. ‘This is an important issue,’ said Jawad al-Bazouni, a member of Parliament’s Health Committee, which is pushing for the restrictions. ‘The citizen can complain to the smoker. He will get the law on his side, and it will be reflected in the public health.’”
The Westernization of “liberated” Iraq is apparently proceeding on schedule, albeit not fast enough for Washington: hints that the US was lobbying behind the scenes to extend the occupation beyond the “withdrawal date” announced by President Obama have been dropped for months, and now it’s semi-official. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki – who once opined Iraq could defend itself, without US troops – now says he will go along with US demands if 70 percent of Iraqi lawmakers agree.
This fix has been in for quite some time, as you’ve been warned repeatedly in this space: US occupation forces aren’t going anywhere, at least not until the banks (or the Chinese) hang a foreclosure sign on the Pentagon. In light of this, I ask you to review the many statements by this administration that we were definitely and absolutely winding down our military presence in that unfortunate country “as promised and on schedule,” as Obama put it. “The message is,” said a White House spokesman at the time, “when the president makes a commitment, he keeps it.”
So what’s the message now – when the president makes a commitment, he’s lying? Given Obama’s record, you can take that one to the bank.
You’ll recall that the first deadline for US troop withdrawal was supposed to have been September 1, 2010 – but that was quietly dropped. The new deadline – the end of this year – was announced with much fanfare: Rachel Maddow made a big deal about it when she interviewed what was supposed to be the last combat brigade coming out of the country, sometime last year. Naturally, this latest news has gone unmentioned by Rachel, or, indeed, by any of the Obama-friendly media. If a broken promise hits the pavement in Iraq, and goes unreported by the “mainstream” media, did it really happen?
The idea that we were ever going to voluntarily leave Iraq was always a fantasy, one fulsomely encouraged by the Obama-ites and their “progressive” amen corner. In reality, the division of labor in the foreign policy realm works like this: the Republicans invade some country or other, bomb it to smithereens, and send in an occupying army. Then the Democrats win the next election, on account of rising opposition to the war, in which case our new overlords act to consolidate the gains of the previous administration and further extend the frontiers of empire – as in Libya and Pakistan.
The reality is that empires never dissolve themselves: they hang on to the bitter end, living on dreams of past glory and stubbornly refusing to see the signs of decline that are obvious to any objective observer. Nothing stops them: not war-weariness on the part of the populace, not military defeat, not even impending bankruptcy. The reason is once you become an empire, there’s no turning back: you’ve already invested a great deal of the nation’s resources into the empire-building process, and so much of your economic and political capital is tied up in this project that reversing it is just not possible. What’s needed is some outside stimulus, some undeniably chastening event – like, say, utter collapse, as in the case of the former Soviet Union – to provide a much-needed reality check.
While Maliki pays lip service to the idea that US troops must leave eventually, and the sooner the better, in reality he has no desire to see them go, for US soldiers are all that stand between him and a howling mob of his subjects, who are living in conditions that would turn Mother Teresa into a psycho-killer. Anti-smoking fanatics may take some satisfaction in knowing that tobacco is not the leading cause of death in Iraq, but to have assassination take its place is hardly cause for joy among the rest of us.
In Iraq, “Arab Spring” protests continue, as they have across the Middle East, but – unlike the demonstrations in Egypt, the civil war in Libya, and the violently-repressed upsurge in Syria – the Western news media has decided not to cover them. When thousands jammed the streets of Suleimaniya, the supposedly pro-occupation, pro-American capital city of the Kurdish autonomous region – Maliki and his Kurdish equivalents sent the Iraqi army in to crush the incipient rebellion no less violently than Syria’s Assad is now doing in Syria. Yet we hear nothing from the White House, nothing from the media, and nothing from the former leaders of the “antiwar” movement – yes, I’m talking to you, Leslie Kagan, you fraud – after they folded up their tents and went off to work for Obama’s election (and re-election).
That Republican congressman who yelled out “You lie!” to the President – and was excoriated by our enforcers of political etiquette (Rule Number One: never tell the truth) – is vindicated. Yes, yes, I know: this solon wasn’t yelling because of our policy in Iraq, but still – the President is indeed a proven liar, and the way our Iraq non-withdrawal is playing out underscores this irrefutable fact.
Will this be the final straw for the “progressive” left as far as their Hero is concerned? Will the Obama cult implode, will Leslie Kagan’s head explode – will Arianna Huffington add Iraq to her endless round of tiresome complaints about how the Glorious Leader has failed to enact every dot-and-tittle of her political agenda? Don’t bet the farm on it.
Politics is very much like religion: a faith that brooks no doubt and punishes heretics. In authoritarian countries, the party line is enforced at gunpoint: in America, there is no need to point a gun at elite opinion-makers and other Washington sycophants of power – the code of political correctness is self-enforcing. For these people have built their careers on certain assumptions, appealing for their pelf to very specific constituencies: to violate the prejudices and knee-jerk emotionalism behind those assumptions is to court professional disaster.
I am no exception to this rule. I often find myself holding back from challenging some of the smugger assumptions and prejudices of Antiwar.com’s audience: luckily, I’ve never had that much self-control, and so my innate recklessness usually saves me from becoming a party-lining hack. (I can imagine the emails I’ll be getting about that, written in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS: “You’re a hack, alright – you think bin Laden is really dead!”)
I do my best to look at the facts, as best I can discern them, and present an analysis that reflects my anti-interventionist views, and the views of this site’s supporters. Yet I reject the idea that in any conflict between reality and ideology, the latter must inevitably win out. On the other hand, unlike some who claim to have libertarian or anti-interventionist sympathies, I don’t also reject ideology per se and abandon myself to a self-justifying “pragmatism.” That is the road to Utter Hackdom, a route traveled by more than one turncoat in the annals of American political science.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- BS in Baghdad – May 24th, 2012
- Interventionism and the Elites – May 22nd, 2012
- Obama or Anarchy? – May 20th, 2012
- What Does Ron Paul Want? – May 17th, 2012
- Hillary’s Terrorists – May 15th, 2012





A grateful reader
May 12th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
This column would be stronger if it included a well-sourced sentence or two stating how much, on a net basis, this occupation is costing U.S. taxpayers. By net basis I mean the cost over and above what we would be spending on these troops etc if they weren't in Iraq.
MvGuy
May 12th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
Not leaving…,??? I wonder what ole Moqtada Sadir will conjur up or is it as the weakly standard says, that it is fear and loathing of Sadir that allows an "opening" for the U.S. as it allows Maliki move for continued occupation??
This will be interesting…. Not until the the dollar crashes will the empire contemplate retreat! See: The weeklystandard.com/blogs/muqtada-al-sadr-s-latest-ploy-gives-us-opening-iraq http://bit.ly/mOLXey …….Makes one wonder if a continuation of a long operation scheduled to finish that doesn't….is actually an opening or only not a closing…???
Johnny in Wi.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
If it's up to the neo-cons and neo-libs, we will never leave Iraq. Those bases and air fields are ment to be there for along time as well as the 1 billion dollar concrete bunker, they call an embassy. The only way to get out of there is like Justin says when the bankers shut down the line of credit.
skulz fontaine
May 12th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
HAH! Bravo and very well written Mr. Raimondo. The US will never surrender an iota of Iraqi hard-won soil. I mean, those interminable weapons of mass destruction are out there…somewhere. Hmmm, under G. Bush's desk? In Barack Obama's hip pocket?
Remember Iraq indeed. Sort of like, remember the Alamo and remember the Maine or Pearl Harbor and on and grindingly on…
Johnny in Wi.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
Justin: It's your webbsite and you can do what you want. But Pat Buchanan's latest column on the kanggaroo court and trial of John Demyanyak deserves to be read here. Pat is a brave man to adress this issue and I believe your readers would like to read it.
geo1671
May 13th, 2011 at 3:57 am
Any bets,that Justin's quote 'I do my best to look at the facts, as best I can discern them, and present an analysis that reflects my anti-interventionist views, and the views of this site’s supporters" does not apply to Sept 11 2001 Israel attacks on America.
The only way to get out of there is like Justin,half right said " when the bankers shut down the line of credit" and Israel doesn't mind USA troops leaving Iraq.
Please let's cut out the bull, USrael is in the middle east for the control of oil resources. Oil is a Money Maker–how else do you expect Uncle Scam to pay his debts? Oil is traded in US reserved dollars :^/
GradyWilson
May 13th, 2011 at 4:33 am
Speaking of lies, fantasy, ideology and being a party hack:
“I’ve spent more than a few columns predicting that the so-called tea partiers – the grassroots populist movement that has our liberal elites in a frothy-mouthed lather – will be logically led to call for major cuts in military spending – and, by the sheer logic of their anti-spending, “anti-government” position, eventually come to challenge our foreign policy of global intervention. The other day ………… I had the distinct pleasure of hearing my prediction come true – a lot sooner, I have to admit, than I ever imagined.” – Justin Raimondo
Its not just Rachel Maddow
Wootie Berster
May 13th, 2011 at 6:01 am
Hmm. The masthead says "Antiwar.com.. your best source for antiwar news, viewpoints, and activities". It doesn't actually say "Libertarians Only!" The conceit that no one else on the planet is adverse to warfare except a tiny political faction, the libertarians, is absurd on the face. Constantly pissing on "the left" and attacking strawmen such as Dem party hacks abandoning the antiwar movement after BO was elected does absolutely nothing to end war. If hatred of non-libertarians is more important than struggling against the insanity of war, then change the name of the website. Simple.
Terrance&Philip
May 13th, 2011 at 6:37 am
Yup, the neo-cons won't let us leave until every American tax dollar has been spent and every drop of middle American blood spilled…and yet none of fheir spawn will crowd into a tank or face down an angry mob, that you can bet on.
Phil Giraldi
May 13th, 2011 at 6:41 am
You're right – the decision might not be completely in Maliki's hands. The US presence is very unpopular and Moqtada al Sadr could easily upset the apple cart.
VietNamWarVet
May 13th, 2011 at 7:05 am
The US built the largest most expensive embassy on this green Earth in Iraq – anyone really think that our military is ever going to leave Iraq?
Oops – yes – I guess we will leave – about the same time that we leave Japan and South Korea – right?
John V. Walsh
May 13th, 2011 at 7:09 am
Woodie is absolutely wrong here about the site being the preserve of "Libertarians Only" I am a man of the Left; I support Medicare for all (not the hand over of coverage of eveyrone under 65 to the insurance companies, known as ObamaCare); I support a shorter work week (with no cut in pay) to provide more leisure and create more jobs; I support better retirement benefits, better social security and defined benefits; I support free education for all right up to its termination – whether in technical school or university. (The Dem establishment has made no moves for these things, BTW, for over half century.)
On anti-intervention and civil liberties I share Justin's views and the views of AW.C. I have never found my pieces excluded from AW.C because I do not share some other parts of the Libertarian view of the world. That is not true of progressive web sites which have ruthless gate keepers who will shun any who vigorously criticize the Dem Party of the Messiah for their lies and imperialist actions.
I find that the Libertarians and Paleocons are much more consistent than the "Progressives" in their opposition to war and empire. As one example, The Nation endorsed both the prowar Kerry in 2004 and the prowar Obama in 2008. They will do so again in 2012. On the other hand The American Conservative did not endorse the prowar Bush in 2004 or the prowar McCaine in 2008. Nor did they endorse Obama.
Finally at antiwar demonstrations controlled by the Dem Party "Left," Libertarians and Paleoconservtives as well as antiwar Independents like Nader are personae non gratae.
John V. Walsh
robt
May 13th, 2011 at 7:20 am
You forgot free food and free houses.
galwayspaniard
May 13th, 2011 at 7:43 am
In the midst of misery, poor infrastructure, and all the lives lost, and all the problems, they make a no smoking law. I have to laugh at these monsters or I'll get depressed.
Ira7Epstein
May 13th, 2011 at 7:44 am
Justin, I do not think you are a hack, but I do think there are some issues you are afraid to touch because you are afraid to be tagged with the lable conspiracy theorist or even worse a 911 truther. Sure you have written about the story Cam Cameron aired on Fox News about possible ties ins between the Mossad and 911, but you have refused (or I am not aware of) any review on your part that 911 was another inside job. The two biggest questions for me concerning 911 are how do two planes take out three buildings, and what is the explanation tor the existence of nanothermite in some of the unexploded remains of 911? Further, when the question is asked "Who benefits?" I would say the USG has gained the most by the events that occured on 911. Just look at the explosive growth that has occured in the power and size of the US government since 911. And it is not as if the thought of murdering thousands of innocent Americans would hold back the criminals in DC, so long as the prize is big enough. If you want proof look at Operation Northwoods.
PeacePrize WarPrez
May 13th, 2011 at 7:58 am
A particularly peculiar phenomenon is the new progressive that has, through pretzel logic, reluctantly adopted the Obama military expansionist policies and claims that even if they are much the same as Bush's, it is better to have Obama in office because Obama is The Smartest Ever and whatever he does must be the right thing. Talk about being "Bushwacked"!
johnc
May 13th, 2011 at 8:06 am
Anti-interventionists sit without exception at the children's table. One day, their time will come, but it will be after things crash and burn. I don't think Raimondo "pisses on the left", he pisses on the State. It is sheer idiocy to see the state as something benign. Welfare is subsidiary to violence.
Brian Cantin
May 13th, 2011 at 8:29 am
The withdrawal deadline from Iraq is much like the budget ceiling debate – a theatrical production with a predetermined outcome.
I am somewhat puzzled by Mr. Raimondo characterizing Leslie Cagan, spelled Kagan in the article, as a fraud. Whatever else you may say for or against her, Ms. Cagan has come out against military intervention in Libya while much of what passes for the left in the United States has followed Obama around like puppy dogs.
MojoBox
May 13th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Godspeed! We can iron out the details of how to run our society after we stop bombing the rest of the world.
bob d
May 13th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Wootie,
While a few of the people who call themselves libertarians are prowar, none of them have been elected president. So I don't think their degree of hypocricy is on the same order of magnitude as the democrats who also call themselves liberals. And if Justin is bias in favor of libertarians over liberals he certainly hides it well by frequently lambasting Johnson, a pseudolibertarian minor presidential candidate. Johnson is no more of an antiwar phony than Rachael Maddow.
AngelaKeaton
May 13th, 2011 at 10:34 am
That's the antiwar movement I'm talking about.
gerryhiles
May 13th, 2011 at 11:21 am
I just tried to leavw an extended support to you comments Wootie.
I am not having much luck.
Anyhow I support what you wrote.
gerryhiles
May 13th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Why are you scared of an enquiry into 911 Justin?
Why won't Ron Paul touch an obvious set of unanswered questions?
Why do both you and he support Big Government utter failure to conduct a proper investigation?
Seems that your faith in your 'elected' politicians is absolute – that they could not possibly lie, or be corrupt.
Kinda strange coming from a 'libertarian' when real seekers after liberty (of a socialistic/progressive inclination, such as myself and millions of others) doubt that Bush, etc. told the truth about 911, or anything else.
David4Peace
May 13th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
I think Sadr may have been bought off also, by now.
GradyWilson
May 13th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Johnny, like Justin, pretends that its the neocons and liberals only who are the imperialists – conveniently ignoring the fact that CONSERVATIVES in the US have a long history of imperial adventure. Who are these conservatives in the US house and Senate who oppose imperialism? Yes we all know about Paul and Taft but the reality is that they both represent a very small minority within their party and era.
Further creating a false narrative Johnny pretends that the bankers and finance capital are not the ones who own and operate the US gov, the Pentagon, the media, for their imperial capitalist plunder. They have absolutely no desire to shut down the cash cow which they created.
Libertarians must skew reality and blame the Left, the gov, Israel, liberals, neocons, etc, etc, to divert attention from the real culprits who operate and profit from US militant imperialism – capitalists.
GradyWilson
May 13th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
from todays antiwar.com 'spotlight' column: http://original.antiwar.com/engelhardt/2011/05/12…
"In pre-revolutionary France, the First and Second Estates (the clergy and the nobility) constituted less than 2 percent of the population but controlled nearly all of France’s wealth and power. Their unholy alliance kept the Third Estate (everyone who wasn’t a churchman or a noble) under their collective thumb.
Now, consider the United States today. Our equivalent to the First Estate would be the clergy of finance and banking (the religion of the almighty dollar). Look for them in their houses of worship on Wall Street. Our Second Estate equivalent would be the movers and shakers inside Washington’s Beltway. Look for them in the White House, the Pentagon, Congress, and on K Street where the lobbyists for the First Estate tend to congregate. The unholy alliance of these two estates leaves the American Third Estate—you and me—with the deck stacked against us."
A. G. Phillbin
May 13th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
When was the last anti-war demonstration that you went to that was "controlled by the Dem Party 'Left?`" I'm not aware that such a creature truly exists, or that any faction of that party goes around sponsoring demonstrations.
Generalissimo X
May 13th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
a solid article but really is this a surprise to anyone who was out screaming and protesting (all in vain) against this war? no. it is not. we all damn well knew these psychopathic war pigs would permanently entrench themselves in iraq from day 1. everyone knows once america and dick cheney gets on your property they become the jerkass party guest that refuses to leave. hell dick set up shop on my front porch 2 years ago and is still there telling any and all who stop by to go f*ck themselves.
Sam
May 13th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
One can not bomb away ist debts.
Jim
May 13th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
Another glorious 'progressive' victory against cigarettes!
Hoorah!
GradyWilson
May 13th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
Quit talking and do something.
Otherwise you are a parasite, like Justin, surviving off war just like Lockheed Martin, Rathyeon, Northrop Grumman, DynCorp, Honeywell, GE, General Dymnatics, Boeing, etc, etc
Robert Brager
May 13th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
"Why do both you and he support Big Government utter failure to conduct a proper investigation?"
Why would they support Big Government conducting a 'proper investigation', whatever that might entail once conducted by the very same guilty party. We've had that already. Why would anyone expect a different result? If you were the guilty party and you possessed all the guns, what do you think the result of your internal investigation might be?
What you ask for is impossible, "real seeker of liberty".
gerryhiles
May 14th, 2011 at 12:02 am
Good point … actually rather corresponding to my current thinking, which is running along the lines: "It is all too late. The immense damage has been done and cannot be undone in any context, though those of us who have tried – in our various ways – find it hard to give up."
I was already drifting towards a kind of nihilism (I suppose) before Fu(c)k You Shima has apparently turned every kind of activism into probably just an academic exercize.
Maybe that is going further than your own thinking Robert, but I take your point and if Justin is reading this I apologize for sometimes giving him a bit of a hard time.
BTW I have been with Antiwar for years and have donated when I have been able to afford to … being 68 and on a pension which does not keep up with the cost of living. And on an even more personal note I have just found out that I have cancer for the fourth time in ten years … which probably contributes to my nihilism.
emsnews
May 14th, 2011 at 5:00 am
Justin is upset with critics? I have a challenge for him!
All he has to do is announce, Antiwar.com is going to have an antiwar demonstration that will really stop Washington, DC. Not on a Saturday but in the middle of the week. Since he and his fellow Antiwar.com people are close to DC, it should be easy to find some of us (I can come in the middle of the week!) to get together and chain ourselves across the entrance to the White House front gates.
This might even make the news. I want Justin to organize a real demonstration that really makes the news. It isn't that hard. What it requires is some real bravery. Has he ever been beaten up by cops or arrested or shot at?
I HAVE! MORE THAN ONCE! To make a political point, I literally and some of my fellow demonstrators even died doing this, I went face to face with the power structure. We see this happening in many Muslim nations. Why is everything quiet as a grave here?
Where are the brave libertarians? Why aren't they doing something active? This is why us older 'activists' were called…'Activists'! We literally pounded the pavement. Ever hand out leaflets? I have! I designed many antiwar leaflets in the past!
Antiwar.com has fallen into a habit of being merely a website that is very cyber and little danger to the powers at the center. This site lopes along, detailing the mess but never puts any muscle into anything. Time to wake up! If ANSWER and others aren't demonstrating, why can't the Antiwar. libertarians demonstrate?
GreedRulesinDC
May 14th, 2011 at 5:04 am
Finally, someone who articulates where the true left are coming from. Now if only anti-war Liberals and Libertarians could find a place to gather and get some grass roots action for Ron Paul going. Stephen Walt, please continue to write about your stances. You are the true voice of Liberals/Libertarians (or Libertarians/Liberals. Whichever. The main goal is the same.)
You wrote:
"I have never found my pieces excluded from AW.C because I do not share some other parts of the Libertarian view of the world. That is not true of progressive web sites which have ruthless gate keepers who will shun any who vigorously criticize the Dem Party of the Messiah for their lies and imperialist actions."
Boy, ain't that the truth. Try posting on this subject at FDL and watch the gatekeepers come running out, squawking and screeching. At this point, those people are running around like chickens with their heads cut off, afraid to support Obama and afraid not to support him, criticizing policy but never abandoning the party.
RED DAVE
May 14th, 2011 at 5:20 am
Forget Justin or any other right-winger organizing a demo for anything but deporting illegal aliens or a cheer-leading session for Palin. They're always trying to join the establishment, not fight it. A spank across the wrist every once in awhile, but that's all they're up for.
RED DAVE
May 14th, 2011 at 5:30 am
Justin says:
"Will this be the final straw for the “progressive” left as far as their Hero is concerned? Will the Obama cult implode, will Leslie Kagan’s head explode – will Arianna Huffington … ."
Now, as to Huffington and [C]agan, no problem. We know that Huffington's a mealy-mouth liberal, like Maddow & Co. and [C]agan's role in the antiwar movement was to tie it to the Democrats.
But the "progressive" left (is there a reactionary left?) does not support Obama or his war machine. That's done by liberals. Justin has done consistently, to support his right-wing political agenda, fuzzed the gap between these two very different groups. This is a political method of his which enables him, from his side of the political fence to claim that the Tea Party is antiwar.
Anthony
May 14th, 2011 at 6:45 am
Want to end the wars and the empire? Vote for Ron Paul, there is no other anti-war candidate in the USA. If you don't agree with his stand on social issues or economic issues, vote for him anyway. Let's end this nonsensical quasi-empire.
RED DAVE
May 14th, 2011 at 7:09 am
I have absolutely no faith in Ron Paul or any other member of the Republican or Democratic parties. They are war parties, and Ron Paul, or Dennis Kucinich serve the purpose of casting a veil in front of these parties and trying to convince us that opposition within them is legit.
And Justin, with his lies about conservatives, is actually playing a similar role vis-a-vis the Republicans that Leslie Cagan an Rachel Maddow are playing with regard to the Democrats.
GradyWilson
May 14th, 2011 at 8:30 am
No doubt Paul is a white supremacist Confederate to the core – but wouldn't it be great if he were to secure the GOP nomination? Why not support him to create dissension within the warmongering fascist right since there is no mainstream opposition to war in the Dems? I heard the sinister Michael Medved on right wing hate radio go ballistic on RP yesterday. What's not to like about that?
I'll put a Ron Paul sign in my front lawn just to drive the fascist warmongering military loving christian Republican neighbors crazy.
Oswaldwasalefty
May 14th, 2011 at 9:53 am
A ban on smoking in Iraq. Well, that certainly must justify the invasion and occupation of Iraq for many a liberal. Now all Obama has to do is order the assassinations of Rev. Wright and Assange, by next year, and the liberals will be jumping for joy at the manly toughness of their Dear Leader once again. Never mind that the promise to end the Iraq occupation will have been broken.
RED DAVE
May 14th, 2011 at 10:11 am
With all due respect Grady, I wouldn't give support to the likes of Paul, Kucinich, Obama, Sanders, for dog catcher. I have too much respect for dogs.
Ron Pau/Republicans = Dennis Kucinich/Democrats = Raimundo/Maddow
If Paul were nominated it would mean less than when McGovern was nominated. The powers-that-be would support a Democrat as back then they supported a Republican.
emsnews
May 14th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Quite right. Many 'liberal' websites are very intolerant! My own website is wide open (except for excessive cussing or readers attacking each other personally).
But again: we leftists here patiently tolerate being whacked over and over again. We can argue back but this is NOT 'bridge building'. It is futile. And angers me because Antiwar.com should be the 'go to' site for 'What actions shall we take today?'
That is, one schedules demonstrations, asks for volunteers and helps coordinate actions, etc. I don't see that here. I do see riding on other people's coat tails. This is more like a backseat driver complaining about how we leftists try to drive in a deluge.
liberranter
May 14th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
If that's true and becomes an apparent reality, Sadr's days are numbered.
liberranter
May 14th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
We'll be leaving both of those places (or at least abandoning our garrisons there) once the dollar crashes and burns.
RockyRococo
May 15th, 2011 at 2:17 am
It's almost certainly possible to rent Sadr, but he doesn't strike me as the sort that stays bought. He's more than a little too ambitious for that.
GradyWilson
May 15th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
"Ron Pau/Republicans = Dennis Kucinich/Democrats = Raimundo/Maddow "
no doubt -but why not bring this reality to light? Why not let the confederate fascist Ron Paul steer the US titanic to its unavoidable demise?
You think there is a real possibility of a proletariat revolution? These idiotic christian poor workers would rather be dead than red That's the sad truth.