You know something is up when Republicans start taking the lead in questioning our decade-long war in Afghanistan, and, indeed, something is up: a propitious confluence of circumstances and events, the most dramatic of which is the assassination of Osama bin Laden by US Special Forces. In hearings held the other day, Senator Richard Lugar (R-Indiana) said he thinks the Afghan occupation is no longer justified:
"With al Qaeda largely displaced from the country, but franchised in other locations, Afghanistan does not carry a strategic value that justifies 100,000 American troops and a $100 billion per year cost, especially given current fiscal restraints."
Now that the iconic leader of the jihadists has been put out of commission – and, perhaps just as significantly, a huge treasure trove of material confiscated from his hideaway has been seized — the pressure to fundamentally change our conception of this allegedly "generational" conflict is well nigh irresistible. Sen. Lugar is the senior Republican on the Foreign Relations Committee, and has long been the GOP’s point man on overseas matters: for him to make a near-unequivocal case for rapid withdrawal is a sign of the sea change that has occurred in conservative thinking on foreign policy, a shift that has already happened at the grassroots level and is now percolating up through the ranks of the GOP congressional caucus. The death of bin Laden has triggered a turning point on the right. Here‘s Larry Kudlow – formerly a reliable neocon, who nonetheless knows something about economics (unlike most of his comrades) – on why we need to get out:
"With the killing of Osama, is the Afghan mission complete? The original post-9/11 goal was to kill bin Laden and wipe out al-Qaeda. Now that we’ve killed bin Laden and dismantled so much of al-Qaeda., do we really need to trudge through an even longer war in Afghanistan? …
"I am no military or foreign-policy expert. But I do know the cost of supporting a corrupt regime like Hamid Karzai’s in terms of blood and treasure. The cost is steep. I speak here as a hawk, not a dove. …
"Thus far, nearly 1,600 U.S. troops have been killed in action in Afghanistan. To me, this is the most tragic part. Of course, I wholeheartedly support our troops. But is this blood really necessary? Are the projected future costs really necessary?
"Again, I ask myself: All this to support Karzai? Isn’t this the sort of nation-building that the late William F. Buckley Jr. opposed? Are American national-security interests really tied up in Afghanistan? Is now not the time to contemplate a much more rapid troop withdrawal from Afghanistan?" [Hat tip: Lewis McCrary]
To answer Kudlow’s last question: not if your military goal is only peripherally and incidentally concerned with fighting "terrorism," and is actually focused on subduing and colonizing [.pdf] the Middle East.
It was, you’ll recall, Team Bush that sunk us deep in the Middle Eastern mire, and Afghanistan wasn’t their first target: Iraq bore the brunt of America’s post-9/11 fury because the neoconservative agenda is focused not on defense but on conquest as the proper goal of US foreign policy: what Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan characterized as "benevolent global hegemony" in their famous foreign policy manifesto. If our own territory should be attacked in the course of this protracted war of conquest, well then, Rome, too, was besieged many times in the early years of the Empire, and them’s the breaks on the road to glory.
Kudlow is an economist with some understanding of the fiscal crisis we face: he sees the choice between empire and solvency and the necessity of making it sooner rather than later. As this sense of urgency gains traction and spreads, from the libertarian and "paleoconservative" precincts in which it has previously flourished, the GOP establishment will be forced to deal with the rising insurgency in their own ranks. A recent CNN poll shows that of the declared Republican candidates for President, Ron Paul – an anti-interventionist of a sort who often makes me look moderate – unveils the new political reality:
"Who does best against Obama? Paul. The congressman from Texas, who also ran as a libertarian candidate for president in 1988 and who is well liked by many in the tea party movement, trails the president by only seven points (52 to 45 percent) in a hypothetical general election showdown. Huckabee trails by eight points, with Romney down 11 points to Obama."
Paul appeals to both hardcore Tea Party types and independents who viscerally distrust the GOP, and this is in large part due to his emphasis – even when he’s talking about economic matters – on the foreign policy factor, what he calls "the Empire" with a quintessentially American hint of disdain for all things imperial. He has spent the last decade or so telling Americans we’re a bankrupt empire, and now that the reality of this has dawned Paul is getting a Strange New Respect. The neocons and professional Paul-haters (or do I repeat myself?) will no doubt focus on the Strangeness aspect of this, but they are living in the past.
It was easy to ignore Paul’s jeremiads against the Empire in the heyday of the financial bubble, and the concomitant bubble of American supremacy. Now that the bubble has burst – as Paul said it would – Americans are coming face to face with something they’ve so far assiduously evaded: reality. The economic and social reality of a bloated, over-extended colossus, an empire rotting at its metropolitan core and besieged on every far-flung frontier.
The capture and summary execution of bin Laden has ushered in a new awareness when it comes to foreign policy matters, one that will almost certainly doom the very policy the terrorist leader’s executioner insists on maintaining, virtually unchanged. With bin Laden’s death, the rationale for the occupation of Afghanistan, and even the escalating war in Pakistan, has been pulled out from under this administration. Obama’s wars have always been wildly unpopular: now they will exact a
political cost that may become unsustainable.
In spite of this, every suggestion that the Afghan conflict is yesterday’s war, no longer relevant to the goal of destroying al-Qaeda and its allies, is met by the administration with the alleged threat of a takeover by the Taliban and/or bin Laden’s forces. Yet the latter is in decline, if not outright defeated, and the former don’t have the reach to pose an effective threat to US territory – as the complete failure of the Times Square bomber to inflict any damage underscores. However, the war drags on, mired in the neo-neocon counterinsurgency strategy championed by newly-appointed CIA chief Gen. David Petraeus – a nation-building campaign that, after ten years, we are being told is today "fragile and reversible."
Is this really supposed to be an argument in favor of staying? Anywhere else but in the Bizarro World we seem to inhabit, such a statement would indicate that – after ten years of failure – the strategy isn’t working because it cannot work.
One would think the Obama administration, which prides itself on its alleged "pragmatism," would learn the lesson of their great success, instead of just capitalizing on it politically. And that lesson is this: targeted, al-Qaeda-specific military action – essentially highly militarized police work – is the only efficient method of going after those who want to see more 9/11′s. Invading an entire region, and transforming its political culture – precisely the theoretical basis of the administration’s current counterinsurgency strategy – is the road to failure, and national bankruptcy.
As we approach the tenth anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the foreign policy legacy of that singularly significant event will be up for review. In retrospect, I don’t think there can be any doubt that Americans overreacted – and, in the process, fell into bin Laden’s trap. The founder of al-Qaeda openly declared his strategy of luring us as deeply into the Middle East as possible, and gloated over America’s impending bankruptcy.
As we hurtle into bankruptcy, that cackling you hear is Osama laughing
at us from beyond the grave. Just as the Vietnam war drained American resources and led to an economic downturn, so America’s post-9/11 rampage through the Middle East similarly depleted our reserves, and on a much grander scale.
9/11 radically distorted our foreign policy, and handed it over to a cabal of neoconservative ideologues whose policies, however much they damaged America, are being faithfully carried out today under a Democratic administration. The war of conquest started in Iraq has been extended to Pakistan and taken on new forms in Libya: the "multilateralist" NATO operation is John McCain’s "concert of democracies" in action. No wonder the old warmonger is over there cheering them on and posing for the cameras.
The debate over Afghanistan – and our continued presence in Iraq, for that matter – is really about a larger issue: what kind of country are we? Are we a republic, where the power of government is constrained by a written Constitution, which fights only in self-defense — and only against those who initiate coercion? Or are we an empire, the guarantor of peace and order in the world, the final arbiter and global hegemon whose "responsibility" and "destiny" is to establish a New Rome?
One reason Paul is doing so well so early in the polls is due to his well-known views in favor of restoring our old republic, and dismantling an expensive and otherwise troublesome overseas domain. When will the other GOP hopefuls understand that the war question hits at the soft underbelly of the Obama administration – and how long before they decide to go for it?
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Up Against the FBI – May 23rd, 2013
- Antiwar.com vs. the FBI – May 21st, 2013
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013





Johnny in Wi.
May 5th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
I hope both Republicans and Democrats realize that this empire is breaking us. The most articulate politician on this issue is Dr. Paul. I hope he keeps pushing the agenda toward peace and that others pick it up. The elites of both parties hate Dr. Paul. He is against their 2 favorite things, the Empire and the FED.
ratman
May 5th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
Maybe the Obama Administration could name some of our food banks after those Navy Seals.It would be such an honor for the the hungry patrons of those banks to get their rations from an Official Navy Seal food bank.
Oswaldwasalefty
May 6th, 2011 at 2:49 am
"9/11 radically distorted our foreign policy…"
No. Just another chapter in our imperial history. More old imperial wine in new bottles. How fitting that the first black president capped it all off by naming the mission to kill Bin Laden after a defeated Indian leader, Geronimo. It would be eye opening to say the least if the German military had weapons named Jew and Gypsies, and a special opps mission named "Operation Pole". We name weapons and missions after our long vanquished indigenous nations, and try to find anybody who might find anything racist and vulgar about it.
GradyWilson
May 6th, 2011 at 3:06 am
Are we a Republic or an Empire? OMG Justin you very well know this answer and it was answered well before the "neocons" took over. (btw – how long can they be called 'neo' – doesn't neo mean new?) .
I most certainly wish your optimist was warranted but empires do not bow down gracefully. If you think the Republicans are going to stand up to the Pentagon, the war profiteers, arms merchants, and capitalistic banks (their base) who fund their (and the Dems) campaigns then you are the one living in Bizzaro World.
Good luck to the good Mr. Paul but if he really garners large popular support from the rank and file and has a chance to win the nomination I bet he would have a better chance of meeting a fate like MLK,jr rather than becoming Pres. – but I will definitely support him over Obama.
btw – Kudlow has been wrong about everything about economics. He's still spouting the disgraced Laffer Curve snake oil BS. He blamed the economic collapse on the CRA while supporting the bailouts and defending the banks just for a few examples for chrissake.
Oswaldwasalefty
May 6th, 2011 at 3:23 am
Yes, one could argue that the U.S. started being an empire from the time of its orgins in the 17th and 18th centuries. I would say the U.S. invasion, and annexation of half of Mexico in the mid-19th century would be the best starting point for the American Empire. Motivated by the Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny, it was nothing more than the smash and grab imperialism empires throughout history have engaged in. The Spanish-American War and World War I marked the beginnings of the transition of the U.S. from a hemispheric empire to the world's first and only truly global empire. The republican form of government created by the founders of the U.S. still exists on paper, but the U.S. in actual practice is the most powerful empire in world history.
Yonatan
May 6th, 2011 at 3:41 am
The invasion of Afghanistan was never necessary to deal with Bin Laden. The Taliban (who a few months earlier were invited to the US to talk over a gas pipeline deal) offered to transfer Bin Laden to a third party for trial but that was rejected. The US government could have easily captured him once he was transferred, but hey, why not have a war when other people (US taxpayers and innocent Afghanis) pay the price?
geo1671
May 6th, 2011 at 4:12 am
Sorry Justine,Osama Bin Laden was never a threat to the west. He died 10 years ago and Americans have to admit that the 911 attacks blamed on Bin Laden were Israel Firster's lies. The supposed recent Osama killing was staged but real and innocent Pakistanies were butchered. Just like invading Iraq and Killing over 1 million folks and poor Saddam a sons–wrong CIA/MOSSAD intelligence– Ugly Lying Americans!
Folks here ain't going to like this–the three 911 masterminds were–Arial Sharon, Bill Clinton Dunce Jr. Bush –who desire a vist from Navy Seals :^/
GreedRulesinDC
May 6th, 2011 at 4:37 am
Both the Republicans and the Democrats must be wringing their hands and worrying: who's going to be the first to throw the Defense Industry under the bus and lose those nice, fat campaign contributions?
Ron Paul is turning out to be the only candidate running whose views match his votes. Hopefully, people will take their ideological blinders off and support him, even if he doesn't subscribe to all their views. It amazes me when people bring up one thing or another they don't like about Ron Paul, yet they refuse to look at the horrific circumstances Obama and other Republican candidates have wrought.
We're seeing America and Israel become marginalized in the Middle East because countries are coming together to oppose their horrific policies. Why can't U.S. citizens see that we, too, must get together and get behind Ron Paul in order to oppose the policies foisted upon us here at home?
Wootie Berster
May 6th, 2011 at 5:05 am
You're right, sir. We should call them "leoCons" because they were all students of Leo Strauss.. who advocated lying through your teeth as the proper strategy for dealing with the lesser races. Or maybe because the founders of the cult were all followers of Leo(n) Trotsky.. infamous advocate of world wide revolution in order to create a globalist superstate which could then be easily subverted to their control. Or maybe we should just call them what they are: Trotskyites pretending to be conservatives in order to gull the suckers as per their idol Leo Strauss.
Wootie Berster
May 6th, 2011 at 5:09 am
Sorry, mate. We all stopped reading after the "Justine" crack. You must be very new to the propaganda business. You can't convince anybody of anything if you piss them off. Unless you're a Sunsteinite come here to make "truthers" look bad. Waste of time either way.
montaigne
May 6th, 2011 at 6:14 am
I guess, the hand-over of Bin Laden was not acceptable. It HAD to be spectacular and world rumbling what the US did. The economy also showed signs of crumbling, and WW2 helped the economy somehow! What better than a war to call forth the corporate spirit and heavy growth?
The positive thing is, we now know this to be errors while the fighting was still outside the states. What kind of novel, that follows this introduction might be truly spectacular. Spectacularly pursuing the erroneus kind of regime, or spectacularly gorverning by drones and terror inside the US.
VietNamWarVet
May 6th, 2011 at 6:42 am
The Afghan War is ALL about that gas pipeline.
The 'war on terror' is as phony as a three dollar bill!
IF Osama bin Laden had been captured and brought to trial – what truths would have been revealed that the US would rather keep secret?
emsnews
May 6th, 2011 at 8:22 am
Unlike Justin, I actually read the polls: Ron Paul has 10% of possible votes, not nearly half.
He is a very minor character right now on the GOP stage but all the characters running for President are at barely 10-15%, either. So they are all midgets here.
Fat-Purse Barry
May 6th, 2011 at 9:59 am
They'll never be able to out-spend the billion-dollar Obama campaign.
liveload
May 6th, 2011 at 10:44 am
What I'm looking at going forward is bad no matter if we end the wars tomorrow or not. Lets say we do end them. Bring all the troops home. Close the empire of bases. Cut the Pentagon budget, etc. What next? The Defense Bubble will burst. Thousands of defense contractors will be out of work. Anything from Lockheed to a Mom&Pop outfit in Nowheresville will be hurting badly. This means that their congresscritters will be out for blood. When the defense bubble pops, it's going to take America down with it. Our overseas empire is the ONLY thing keeping the dollar in reserve currency status, imo. Isn't it ironic that same overseas empire is the very thing bankrupting us? So no, there isn't a way out that won't hurt like hell. I seriously doubt even the venerable Ron Paul would be able to do much to mitigate the consequences of our megalithic arrogance and stupidity. We've gone too far down the rabbit hole. Once Germany had commited to it's course of action using false flag ops to attack first their political opponents, then their regional rivals, there was no turning back. It had to end in a conflagration. During the Winter of discontent, nothing the government did made anything better…in fact it made things worse.
Bianca
May 6th, 2011 at 11:21 am
Having become suspicious of any politician, I would like to know if Dr. Paul will FIRST dismantle the Empire, and THEN dismantle health care, education and retirement? What my fear is, should he get elected, he will focus on the domestic agenda now pushed by the corporations that would decimate to shreds any hope for decent life and education for our kids. Now, if he first dismantles empire, brings all troups home, and uses the savings to restructure domestic needs, he may stand the chance in getting something done. BUT, as those same corporations profit handsomely from the same wars, Congress will insure that the wars and bases in other non-war countries continue. Then he will spend his time dismantlng education, telling us to home school our kids, and not to bother saving for college — such dumbed down kids would not qualify. That is, unless you can affort to hire one of those fired teachers as a governess.
mickperry
May 6th, 2011 at 11:25 am
The US has an antiquated and crumbling infrastructure. It needs a trans-US electric railway network for one thing, and it needs to generally begin preparing for the draw down of the petroleum age. If FDR was able to order factories that had been making tractors and industrial equipment to re-tool for wartime production, making tanks and bombers, can the process not be reversed? Peace time production needs would include a massive programme for producing renewables such as wind turbines etc in huge numbers. Enough work to keep everybody occupied in fact, if you could figure out a way to stop the bastards from off-shoring the jobs.
Bianca
May 6th, 2011 at 11:43 am
I am not sure that ending the empire of bases and wars would hurt the military complex. In fact, you could continue employing EVERYONE, even if they do nothing but stare out of the window 8-5, and we will still profit. The money SPENT OVER THERE, will be SPENT OVER HERE. And the money will spark the economy. All the new arrivals will fill up the empty office spaces, empty bases, empty towns. Not only commercial real estate now idling empty, but also residental foreclosed homes can be bought out from the same money, new cars and education. In fact, if you take annual amount of 1 mil per soldier, you can meet after first year all the needs for the same soldier: salary for his/her job, buy foreclosed home, or pay up a mortgage, buy car, pay for annual tuition — and still money will be left over the first year from each soldier to pay up for the commercial space they will be placing their jobs, utilities for those jobs, and other expenses. Going into next year, savings will be unbelievable per soldier. So, after paying SAME, without increasing costs or incurring deaths or disability, we will have BOTH SAVINGS AND THE STIMULUS TO THE ECONOMY.
AngelaKeaton
May 6th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
"Justine" Really, geo1671? That's the best you can do.
Sam
May 6th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Well said. America must go green and millions jobs could be created.
Sam
May 6th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Justin, don't worry so much. The war party knows very well it would be against China and they are not crazy.
RED DAVE
May 6th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
It is true that several of the neocons are ex-Trotskyists. But, at the risk of starting a sectarian squabble, coming out of the same tradition, and at the same time, I must say that they doffed their Trotskyism early and have since found warm homes in capitalist gated communities.
Trotskyism has a long and honorable anti-imperialist tradition that continues to this day.
RED DAVE
May 6th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Don't wait for arch capitalist Ron Paul to advocate such. Remember always that he's a bona fide member of one of the two war parties. He values his connections with mass murderers over any real antiwar actions.
He is also opposed to public works, health care, a woman's right to choose, etc. and is a racisr.
Jim
May 6th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
"If we admit this consolidated government, it will be because we like a great splendid one. Some way or other we must be a great and mighty empire; we must have an army, a navy, and a number of things: When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, Sir, was then the primary object…But now, Sir, the American spirit, assisted by the ropes and chains of consolidation, is about to convert this country to a powerful and mighty empire."
Patrick Henry
Justin…the USA has been an empire since JUMP…territorial expansion and the accumulation of power have been the hallmark of the govt. created by the constitution.
Jim
May 6th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Clearly, y'all have no understanding of how economies produce wealth…not the slightest clue…
Jim
May 6th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
Printing money and giving it away doesn't produce wealth.
Jim
May 6th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
I think you're mistaking Paul's current standing among likely GOP voters w/a hypothetical Paul-Obama 2012 contest–a CNN poll found Paul doing better than any other GOPer, w/45% to Obama's 52%.
Jim
May 6th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
Do you think the commie bosses in the USSR lived in the slums they forced their victimized citizens into?
What you commie P'sOS want is a system in which folks advance through POLITICAL connections rather than merit.
Only the biggest morons in the world still believe in communism.
A. G. Phillbin
May 6th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
And you seem to have no clue that the public sector is as much a part of the economy as the private sector, and not just as a tax collector. You also probably don't know that no nation on the planet, including the USA and Britain (home of the "free market") ever built itself up using "free market" policies. Trade protectionism (everywhere) and state support of selected industries (South Korea, Japan, the US to some extent, etc.) were the rule.
A. G. Phillbin
May 6th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
No, but building infrastructure (roads, railways, etc.) with it does. This country would not have become an industrial powerhouse without the railroads, and the federal highway system brought many areas out of the nineteenth century.
Jan Burton
May 6th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
I keep hearing that Afghanistan is a war for pipelines, but no one seems phased by the fact that we are NINE years into this thing with NO PIPELINES in sight.
guest
May 6th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
The media and the other Rep. politicians will attempt to ignore/drown out/ shout down Ron Paul in 2012 and if that doesn't work, threats will be made against him – as happened to another fiesty Texan Presidential Candidate who tried to upset the Empire's applecart. I think I'd vote for Paul if he actually made the Republican nomination(and i've never voted republican) and he didn't pervert his platform, but it just ain't gonna happen. they're not gonna allow it.
And the rest of those scumbags(Romney, Gingrich, etc) ain't gonna change their tunes, no way.
GradyWilson
May 7th, 2011 at 4:22 am
"she barked in her sternest butch baritone" – Justin
GradyWilson
May 7th, 2011 at 4:42 am
"Remember … (Ron Paul) is a bona fide member of one of the two war parties. He values his connections with mass murderers over any real antiwar actions. "
That's true Dave no doubt and cynicism is warranted but he is the only mainstream candidate who actually opposes imperialism and warmongering. That's all we got today. The anti-war left, as you well know, is weak and in retreat, while the Democrats are corporate whores glorifying being tough and sucking off the Generals.
I despise free market fundamentalism and libertarianism but Paul is the only mainstream politician talking sincerely about ending the war machine. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Jim
May 7th, 2011 at 7:17 am
Keynesian nonsense…y'all have this idea that building stuff–regardless of whether there's a demand for it–magically leads to prosperity…
Pay people to dig ditches and we'll all be rich!
Jim
May 7th, 2011 at 7:20 am
Of COURSE you despise free-markets and libertarianism…EVERY control-freak loser hates others having the FREEDOM to do things the control-freak loser doesn't want them to do.
Watson
May 7th, 2011 at 9:31 am
The reason given why the pipeline hasn't been started is that Afghanistan has been too dangerous to work in. Ironic, isn't it.
emsnews
May 7th, 2011 at 10:41 am
The empire is also 'free trade'. The US isn't running this, elites all over the world and international corporations, some of which began as US corporations, run global free trade. Even if we cease playing the role of cops for these international corporations, they will still destroy us via free trade.
This is the big, big problem with libertarians who are all for free trade. They just want someone else to patrol the planet. That someone will be China, of course. The difference is, China controls trade at home and controls the actions of the international corporations, not the other way around as it is here in the USA.
emsnews
May 7th, 2011 at 10:47 am
The US has been an empire since Jamestown was founded. Then, it broke away from the British empire and immediately began expanding into native Indian lands to the west until it ran out of lands to conquer then bought Alaska from the Russian who didn't consult with the natives there any more than Napoleon did with the Louisiana Purchase natives.
We then invaded and took Hawaii, invaded the Philippines, etc, all before 1900.
The American People
May 7th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Did Bin Laden win?
To answer, we must understand Geronimo's objectives. His main goal was to bring about a change in U.S. policy toward the Arab world, for example (1) to end U.S. support for oppressive Arab dictators who were seen as mere agents of the United States, (2) to end U.S. support for the colonization by Jewish nationalists of the West Bank and for discrimination by Israel against Muslims and Christians, (3) to get the U.S. military out of the Arabian Peninsula, and (4) to end the killing sanctions against Iraq.
To tally then: Egypt's Hosni Mubarak was ousted this year; the United States after Sept. 11, 2011 removed its military bases from Saudi Arabia; instead of Saudi Arabia, however, the U.S. military has moved next door to Iraq, although in doing so it has ended the sanctions that caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children.
The principal grievance–Palestine–remains politically untouchable in the United States and the situation for Muslims under the Zionist regime in the West Bank and Gaza has only worsened over the past ten years.
So it's a bit of a mixed bag. The United States hasn't addressed all of the grievances, but it may have to eventually (in part because of the financial cost) and Geronimo may have accelerated us down that path.
The American People
May 7th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Bin Laden represents an indigenous nation that we are trying to vanquish. (Palestinians narrowly, Arabas and Muslims more broadly.) So "Geronimo" is rather fitting, is it not?
d1ricks
May 7th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
first to dismantle the empire. over and over, for ten years, or more. that is his grand trade off bring the empire home so that we can save the old and infermed.
mickperry
May 7th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
What 'free' market? Libertarianism in not about taking liberties. http://www.chomsky.info/talks/19960413.htm
MikeyNeptune
May 7th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Check out the video of Bin Laden channel surfing… holding the remote… with his right hand.
How dumb do these mutherfuckers think we are?
MikeyNeptune
Jim
May 7th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
ALL govts. are empires, intent on conquering and dominating people.
Jim
May 7th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Clearly you have no clue that the so-called "public sector" is nothing but a parasitical class that wouldn't exist w/o an extant private sector to plunder from.
Jim
May 7th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Ahhhh…if only YOU could be King!
You'd use the power of govt. coercion to make the world a utopia!
Justin Raimondo
May 7th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
That's the politically correct commie version of "history." Here's mine:
America threw out the British and founded a republic, which naturally expanded to the Pacific, extending the gains of the American revolution across a continent via settlement. The empire didn't begin until the turn of the 19th century with the annexation of Hawaii. Otherwise, we'd be living in an "America" limited to the fringe of the Eastern seaboard: is that your version of what ought to have been? Typically addled.
Oswaldwasalefty
May 7th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
If you believe that people in the U.S. advance only by merit, rather than political connections, then I have to wonder what planet you're living on. George W.Bush advanced through life all the way to the presidency because of his loving of learning, keen intellect and excellent oratorical skills. It had nothing to do with the wealthy and very POLITICAL family he was born into. And of course corporations don't spend billions on political bribery ("campaign contributions") to have their way in business.
Jim
May 7th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
Mexicans, Southerners, and Native Americans would probably beg to differ.
Patrick Henry and the anti-federalists were right: that constitution thing was a bad idea.
Dan
May 7th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
Obama will find a new enemy that is even bigger and scarier than UBL. Unfortunately this will require terrifying the crap out of us again, probably in the form of a Gulf of Tonkin or false flag type deal…yawn.
RED DAVE
May 8th, 2011 at 6:58 am
Red baiting and bs in one small post.
Got to love that "naturally expanded to the Pacific." Wasn't there anyone there first. Then, of course, there was the conquest by war of, what, half of Mexico.
The cool thing is watching Justin distort history to conform to his bizarre political beliefs.
RED DAVE
May 8th, 2011 at 7:02 am
Can't go with you there Grady. I am not interested in a mainstream candidate who complains about war and would subject the country to exactly those politics that cause war.
Actually, the enemy of my enemy is often not my friend. And Ron Paul ain't even the enemy of my enemy. He's just the guy sitting at the foot of the table grumbling that he wanted mashed potatoes not french fries.
Jim
May 8th, 2011 at 8:11 am
"He's just the guy sitting at the foot of the table grumbling that he wanted mashed potatoes not french fries."
What a moronic and pointless post.
Jim
May 8th, 2011 at 8:12 am
You could given Justin some lessons on "distorting history" w/your insane historical perspective that free-markets are bad and communism good.
anti_republocrat
May 8th, 2011 at 8:19 am
I have heard Dr. Paul say that he believes the Federal Government must honor its commitments including Social Security, which has a trust fund that's solvent for several decades. I doubt he would allow the Treasury to default on that trust fund. Unless the Empire is dismantled, "health care, education and retirement" are doomed whether provided through government or privatized. The Presidency is most powerful in the domain of foreign policy and the military. A truly anti-interventionist President who proposes actual cuts in the defense budget and has proposed abolition of the CIA could accomplish much in this area even without the support of Congress, which is a bipartisan cheerleader for Empire. A Democratic Congress would prevent cuts to needed domestic programs if the revenue is there to pay for them.
I caucus with the Democrats in my state and vote Democrat most of the time. I can't recall ever voting for a Republican. Based on Obama's record I can't imagine a scenario where I would vote for him, but Dr. Paul is the ONLY Republican I would vote for. If Dr. Paul is not nominated, I will vote for a 3rd party candidate, as I did in the last Presidential election and as I did for the House of Representatives in 2010 since the incumbent Democrat consistently voted for Empire.
anti_republocrat
May 8th, 2011 at 9:09 am
What you refer to as the "private sector" can not exist without a trustworthy market, and markets can not be trustworthy without some form of police power (government) to either punish or prevent fraud and other forms of violence. In addition, well over 50% of your "private sector" is chartered by government (corporations). Indeed, in our society the "private sector" is a myth dominated by billionaires with political (government) connections.
We are all in this together, brother: policemen, firemen, teachers as well as your "private sector" laborers, professionals and small (non-corporate) business people. The true parasites are the top corporate big-wigs who use their oligarchic economic and political power to depress the wages and salaries of 99.9% of the population while securing government bailouts and defense contracts for their own .1%. These are the only "elites" or "parasites" we have, but you have drunk the cool aid they provide you through their tax deductible contributions to the American Enterprise Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the Hoover Institute, the Cato Institute and various other members of the right wing noise machine.
anti_republocrat
May 8th, 2011 at 9:22 am
Not to mention that the Texas War of Independence was all about protecting Texan "liberty" to own slaves from the laws of Mexico, which forbade slavery. And not to mention that the subsequent Mexican War was all about expansion for the Southern states (slavery).
anti_republocrat
May 8th, 2011 at 9:23 am
Oh, they may change their tunes, but not their policies.
Sam
May 8th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
and massacred a lot of indigenous people in the process.Thiey America?
Jim
May 8th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
"Trustworthy market"…"police power"…
"Corporate big-wigs" and "political power" are the SAME THING.
Corporations are govt.-created fictions, granted legal protections via the govt. legal system. Hardly examples of the free-market in action.
"Government" is a small group of people who claim a monopoly on initiatory violence w/i a give geographic area.
Policemen, firemen, and teachers are all reliable cogs in the apparatus of the state. Politicians steal from (i.e., tax) the privately employed populace, give this money to the above-mentioned parasites, and these parasites then kick-back some to the politicians (i.e., "campaign donations"). They are most definitely NOT "in this together" w/me.
Govt. is legalized mafia–PERIOD. An organization that demands "protection money" at gunpoint. The private sector is simply people transacting in a voluntary and cooperative manner. And people like YOU don't like this. You'd prefer an elite minority "guide" society by FORCE.
Enterprise, Heritage, Hoover, Cato…I don't give a damn about 'em, so shove it up your ass.
Stefan Molinuex, Brett Veinotte, Wes Bertram, Wheels Off Liberty, Ron Paul, Ludwig von Mises, Lew Rockwell…they're more my speed.
No corporation or other private enterprise has ever FORCED me to give them money–UNLIKE government.
Jim
May 8th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Where did I ever say the USA was an example of free-markets in action?
OF COURSE politics plays a HUGE role in our current system!
W/O a system of control through political hierarchy, people like Bush and Obama would probably be car salesmen instead of "leaders of the free world".
Before spouting off, don't base your clueless premises on a single blog post.
Oswaldwasalefty
May 8th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
An American using such black and white terminology when referring to the USSR learly thinks that what the U.S. has to offer is better. Well, the Russians took the advice of the Harvard economists starting in the early 1990's. The net result has been a total disaster. Life expectancy has declined in Russia and the population is in decline. Millions of people have died as a result of the destruction of the social safety net the Soviet system provided. So obviously the people running Russia when it was part of the USSR were doing a better job before they started listening to the Harvard boys, in terms of providing a better standard of living. It's the truth, whether you liked the USSR politically or not.
emsnews
May 9th, 2011 at 4:59 am
Justin, this reveals exactly what is wrong with your ideology: it is very, very inconsistent. The history of 'imperialism' is not defined by 'It is OK to invade this land but not that land.' Examples of how imperialism works is very easy to find.
My ancestors were Norman English. We came into England via invading it and killing the king and his entourage. We then ruled the island…basically till today. We had internal civil wars and battles for power with each other and some of us ended up fleeing, yes, fleeing to the New World.
Along with religious dissidents like the famous Pilgrims, for example. Here, we continued doing what Normans and their Anglo-saxon subjects did in the past, that is, fighting imperial wars (such as the Crusades and all those wars in France or against Spain, etc.).
This began within less than a decade of landing on the shores of the New World. First, the natives helped us survive. Then, we began to relentlessly push them aside and take their ancestral lands.
Our country is very much a colonized land and to this day, we allow millions of aliens and outsiders to come here, flooding the place so that the natives (the Indian tribes) are totally and completely swamped.
The US habit of fighting natives and then conquering them and pushing them around began around 1680 and continues to this very day, nearly without pause.
A. G. Phillbin
May 16th, 2011 at 10:32 am
You speak of America having "naturally expanded," as if it just grew without causing anyone else (ie Mexico, Native Americans) to "naturally contract," and have managed with that one phrase to sanitize the bloodshed out of American history. Do you not understand that violence is as "natural" as trade?