Hypocrites, Left and Right
US foreign policy and the moral bankruptcy of American political culture
I love
hate to say I told
you so, but not
that much. Human Rights Watch reports that forces loyal to Moammar Gadhafi
are not systematically slaughtering civilians, but are targeting the rebels.
Civilians caught in the crossfire account for noncombatant deaths, and
the numbers are rising: but this isn’t genocide. Furthermore, as I
maintained from the beginning, there was never any credible evidence
that Gadhafi was planning any such wholesale slaughter. Indeed, the NATO alliance has recently felt moved to warn the rebels not to target civilians.
The news that we have been lied into war yet again should hardly come as a shock. After all, our two-party system means that the different parties take turns doing the same thing. Yes, but how could the American public fall for it so soon after the Iraq debacle? Easy: you only have to fool some of the people most of the time, and with the Democrats in office, it’s their turn to put one over on a different audience, their “progressive” base.
They’ve done a good job of it, so far: Kevin Drum, blogger-in-chief over at Mother Jones, has announced he’s giving up making his own judgments, because he trusts the Dear Leader to make them for him, and Ed What’s-his-name of MSNBC’s The Ed Show is hard-selling the Kool-Aid to his fellow Obama cultists, bellowing and waving his arms about in a frenzy of war-cries. This is Obama’s first overseas intervention that wasn’t inherited from his predecessor, and if any significant portion of the progressive coalition that elected him is opposed, then they are keeping it under wraps, at least for now.
As for the Republicans, there is some grumbling in the ranks, led by Senator Rand Paul (R-Kentucky). The libertarian Republican’s resolution reminding the President of his previous opposition to military adventures not authorized by Congress attracted a baker’s dozen of Republicans – and not a single Democratic vote. (For shame, Barbara Boxer.)
In any case, it’s not necessary to pull the wool over the eyes of the Republican leadership, and much of their base: duped by George W. Bush and the neocon coterie that lied us into the Iraq war, they have stayed duped. The only criticism of the Libyan adventure coming from those quarters are complaints we didn’t intervene soon enough, and that we’re pulling our punches.
The President knows he can get away with anything as long as he protects the real economic interests of his coalition. The other day, he was caught unawares honestly describing his methodology to a group of big-time donors:
“I had the emir of Qatar come by the Oval Office today. Pretty influential guy. He is a big booster, big promoter of democracy all throughout the Middle East. Reform, reform, reform. … Now he himself is not reforming significantly. There’s no big move toward democracy in Qatar. But you know part of the reason is that the per capita income of Qatar is $145,000 a year. That will dampen a lot of conflict.
“I make this point only because if there is opportunity, if people feel their lives can get better, then a lot of these problems get solved.”
Aside from the breathtaking cynicism of such a remark, at a time when the US is feigning support for the “Arab Spring,” the shorter version of this presidential anecdote is that everyone has a price. If he can buy off the labor aristocracy that is the Democratic party base, and successfully defend their perks and privileges in an era of austerity, then President Obama can get away with following in George W. Bush’s footsteps in the foreign policy realm.
This is the Faustian bargain the Kevin Drums of this world have made, without having the courage to admit it. After all, it’s only a bunch of foreigners who will bear the consequences if Drum’s child-like trust in Father Obama’s judgment turns out to be a wrong call. Libya is far away, and Washington D.C. is quite near: indeed, for these people, everything and everyone outside of Washington is expendable if the lords of the Beltway so ordain.
Of course, such craven hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy is not confined to the “left” side of the political spectrum: the right, and specifically the libertarian right, is similarly afflicted. How else could John Stossel and David Boaz, both self-proclaimed libertarians – the former a quasi-famous television personality and the latter the Vice President of the Cato Institute, Washington’s premier libertarian think tank – both agree that killing innocents is justified? In a presentation given before an audience made up of young libertarians, Stossel answered a question from a student about whether it’s ever justified to kill innocents in wartime with an unequivocal yes: “We had to do it in order to end World War II.” Boaz, less emphatically, basically said killing innocents is unfortunate but often necessary.
I won’t even bother to go into the historical evidence that proves the incineration of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was unnecessary, and a monstrous war crime – I’ll just note that here are people who want to get government out of their lives – but if that same government ends the life of some innocent foreigner, well then, that’s okay as long as Stossel and Boaz reap some imagined benefit.
These, you’ll recall, are the same people who were recently moaning and groaning about the security measures put in place at airports: according to them, it’s horrible and a basic violation of our rights as Americans to be felt up by the TSA’s Epsilon-Minus Semi-Morons every time we have to get on a plane, but it’s fine with them if the US goes around the world taking innocent lives – and not a thought that the families and loved ones of these sacrificial victims might some day come gunning for them, for us.
America is an empire in decline: the level of spending required to maintain our imperial prerogatives is simply not sustainable. Perhaps we can get John Stossel to agree to that. Yet without a moral sense that imperialism is wrong, that we have no right to go around ordering the world and bombing into submission those who oppose us, the Stossels of this world will continue to wander in a moral limbo, advocating “less government” at home and more mass murder abroad.
On the “progressive” left and the “libertarian” right, there’s more than enough hypocrisy to go around. Maybe it’s not the politics but the culture itself that’s at fault. On days like this, I tend to think the cultural rot that is the hallmark of empires throughout history has, in our case, gone too far, and is now beyond any hope of a cure. As usual, the rot is carried to the vital organs of the body politic by the elites, and if even the libertarians and the so-called liberals among them are so hopelessly infected, then where is hope? Where is “change”?
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- BS in Baghdad – May 24th, 2012
- Interventionism and the Elites – May 22nd, 2012
- Obama or Anarchy? – May 20th, 2012
- What Does Ron Paul Want? – May 17th, 2012
- Hillary’s Terrorists – May 15th, 2012





skulz fontaine
April 17th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
And there it is, Ed What's-His-Name, shrieking bombastically. "Henny Penny the sky is falling and Libyans are dying!" (golly, I think we've heard that before) War war war and you know, this time it's the "good war" because the Obama says so.
However and according to NATO SecGen Foggy Rasmussen, "there is no military solution." Foggy WAS referring to Libya. Wow and go figure.
There is no change. There is ONLY the systemic failure of immoral political tripe that passes as crimes against humanity.
epppie
April 17th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
One of the breathtaking things about Obama's Qatar remark is that he references per capita income when that is a meaningless figure. What matters far more is income disparity, but that doesn't even enter Obama's mind. Like Bush, he sees the wealthy as his constituency.
Hrebeljanovic
April 17th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
"Maybe it’s not the politics but the culture itself that’s at fault. "
A while ago, after hours at work, I had a small talk about present day politics with a night guard. When I told him: "Our country is now like Roman Empire, and remember, it fell apart like any other Empire in history", his response was: "Well, it lasted".
What he was saying is that as long as I can eat my burgers and pizzas, drive a car, play with modern gadgets, stare at the boob tube… who cares if some Libyan gets bombed and killed.
Unfortunately, under same circumstances, vast majority of peoples around the Globe would "reason" exactly the same way.
So, the answer to your last question is: Nowhere in sight.
Bodkin
April 17th, 2011 at 11:51 pm
Raimondo's words:
"Civilians caught in the crossfire account for noncombatant deaths, and the numbers are rising: but this isn’t genocide"
Remember that the next time some of you sufferers of Israel Derangement Syndrome start screaming about the "genocide" Israel is supposedly carrying out.
Funny how easy it is to see the truth of things when discussing any other country besides Israel.
Bodkin
April 18th, 2011 at 12:06 am
Raimondo: "I won’t even bother to go into the historical evidence that proves the incineration of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was unnecessary, and a monstrous war crime"
What about other situations when NOT attacking will result in monstrous war crimes? The architects of the Libyan war argue that they were preventing a genocide, even though that seems doubtful. Yet what if the USA had intervened in Rwanda, for example, and prevented the killing of 800,000? What would Raimondo have said then? Doubtless he would have objected.
Raimondo bemoans the loss of innocent life when the USA intervenes, and thus seems to care about the welfare of strangers far away. Yet when there's any suggestion of intervention, ostensibly to rescue innocents who are threatened, Raimondo invariably says the equivalent of, "It's not our problem. Let them perish." The conclusion is that Raimondo's cries of concern for his fellow man ring utterly false. He may have been right to object to the intervention in Libya, but he doesn't possess one ounce of compassion, even though he pretends to by wailing about the loss of innocent lives.
mark
April 18th, 2011 at 12:35 am
Another excellent collection of observations by J. Raimondo.
Indeed, both political parties are rotting from the head down. But they remain active, seemingly 'alive'.
America's entrenched elites are in no small way the source of our enduring political problems. Until we purge both Parties of these tenured warmongers, the Empire will continue to operate in its now customary, murderous and Imperial fashion.
They hate us for our deeds.
montaigne
April 18th, 2011 at 12:59 am
He did argue, though, that those claims were false, about Libya. As for Rwanda it probably was never on the radar, since US' interests were not in danger. So you are proving your point from a self-generated possibility. And Rwanda is indeed NOT a proof of the goodness of US foreign domininance morality.
John V. Walsh
April 18th, 2011 at 3:16 am
Superb column.
The culture of Empire runs very deep, indeed. At times it is almost unconscious as with the assumption that the United States is in every respect "the greatest country in the world," an opinion far removed from that of most of mankind.
And the observation that residence in or near the Beltway is a near guarantee of contamination by Empire is a solid one. There are few exceptions, Ralph Nader being one of them. But for most swimming in such a sewer is a guarantee of some infection. All antiwar groups should move their HQ's far away.
John V. Walsh
Hacklheber
April 18th, 2011 at 3:20 am
Well, actually the US hasn't been exactly pumping Israeli Merkava full of DU, so what's your point?
Hacklheber
April 18th, 2011 at 3:26 am
I hate to raise this point, but referring to HRW wasn't ok when it said that the civilian killcount of Djugaschwili may not have been all that high, but it's ok now. Tsk.
geo1671
April 18th, 2011 at 4:28 am
Mark,I got the better solution– " Until we purge " all Zionist USA media that keeps both parties in power, Own the media–you control a country-the world. Just imagine,how differant the world would be if– Muslims ( or fearfull Al Queaia) decided to buy out all the media networks in Germany France UK USA Canada Australia, Sweden. At least Ron Paul would get a shot at the presidence :^(
Johnny in Wi.
April 18th, 2011 at 4:38 am
Justin is right. How the hell can this country survive with such leadership?
GradyWilson
April 18th, 2011 at 5:03 am
"our two-party system means that the different parties take turns doing the same thing. Yes, but how could the American public fall for it so soon after the Iraq debacle? " – JR
Speaking of hypocrisy – why all your previous enthusiasm for the Tea Party Republicans if you acknowledge that the two party system takes turns doing the same thing? Isn't it time for you to acknowledge that you were wrong about them – that they are not non-interventionists and they are not going to go after war spending?
freshnotbitter
April 18th, 2011 at 5:30 am
"well it lasted"…..
It lasted in an age without instant communication. Things go much faster today.
Actually, Rome only fell relative to the competing nations around it. Kinda like big brother who says I didn't shrink, my little brother grew.
The change we need is in Iraq and Afghanistan which is where progressives wanted the change (along with the rest of the population of america save the third who march blindly to Republican party orders.)
I think libertarians are making too much of Libya. Why make a mountain of molehill Libya when we have Mt. Everest and K-2 looming over us in the form of Iraq and Afghanistan?
It is odd to see Les Gelb, chair of the CFR, and Justin Raimondo singing from the same hymn book. I'll bet either of them sitting in the Oval Office would have come to the same fundamental conclusion as Obama.
Andy
April 18th, 2011 at 5:40 am
Native Americans, Black Slaves, WW1, WW2, Korea, Nuclear Weapons, Vietnam, Abortion, Iraq, Afghanistan, We are the most violent nation in history. We love to kill and will let nothing get in the way of our violent self destruction.
freshnotbitter
April 18th, 2011 at 5:43 am
Wait, Bodkin, there is breaking news at the top of the home page: NATO Confirms 8 NATO soldiers dead – in Afghanistan. And I wonder how many Afghani deaths. But wait, they don't rate a headline in Antiwar. (Just saying, Justin, I'm not complaining.)
In Afghanistan we should have installed our own potentates and left after routing the Taliban in 2 or 4 weeks or whatever it was.
We should never have invaded Iraq.
As for Libya, we have not invaded. We have simply drawn a line in the sand instead of standing around moaning about the dictatorships in the mid east being such a big headache while watching them lop off the heads of their democratic political opposition so we can get back to the hypocritical game of swapping money and other luxuries for the oil they stole from their own people.
There will not be a better opportunity to turn things around, be it ever so rudimentary.
freshnotbitter
April 18th, 2011 at 5:47 am
The beltway is the site of the parasitic infection you call "empire".
And if anybody thinks that they are not all contaminated, as you say, notice how very few in Washington suggest that defence cuts are necessary to "balance the budget" or "solve our deficit problem" as they put it.
I have not heard one person say that it is extraordinary that we could quadruple defence spending from one administration to the next (Clinton to Bush). We could cut defence spending $500 billion and our deficit problem would be over.
emsnews
April 18th, 2011 at 6:02 am
Antiabortionists murder people, not women seeking medical care. Terminating a pregnancy is a women's civil right and comparing this necessary intervention with killing is morally depraved. I do hope we can (it is quite possible) engineer it so that males can be forced to carry fetuses and birth them so all antiabortionists can volunteer to be daddies to unwanted pregnancies. But I assume hell will freeze over before that happens.
VietnamWarVet
April 18th, 2011 at 6:11 am
History seems to record that empires fall at the height of their military power – they go bankrupt by trying to sustain the empire by endless wars.
Billy Kristol – Neocon – likes to brag that "America is the new Rome, only stronger" – but – the old Rome is dust on the pages of History which is where America is headed.
Union General Sherman was correct when he said that – "war is all Hell".
Confederate General Less was wrong when he said – "it is good that war is so terrible less we grow too fond ot it" – wrong because America loves war; loves the killing; loves destroying other peopls and countries.
Of course – it is those who have NEVER been to war who love war!
Those who have served in war would agree with General Sherman.
It is all mendacity in America!
VietnamWarVet
April 18th, 2011 at 6:12 am
Confederate General Lee – sorry for the misspelling!
Wootie Berster
April 18th, 2011 at 6:45 am
Starvation and disease came in abundantly when the historical convention we call the Roman Empire ceased to be able to maintain the infrastructure. It turns out that workers won't work for nothing. Imagine that. To enforce slavery you require a large military. Soldiers won't work for nothing. Imagine that. The current crop of American oligarchs are happily slogging down the same well worn path. Imagine that. Greed kills. Massively.
Ira7Epstein
April 18th, 2011 at 6:47 am
Opposing government intervention is not the samething as opposing any intervention. If private persons, at thier own risk, wanted to go down to Rwanda and help those who were being murders by government thugs there is nothing in libertarian theory that would prevent them. Individuals wanting to help those victims would not even have to put thier life at risk. Such a person could sponsor a Rwandan refugee, pay his passage to the United States, and guarantee his care and behavior once in the United States. Cash donations to organizations specifically set up for such purposes is also a possibility. The thing about these solutions is that they require you to get your hands dirty. They require you to translate your sentiments into actions. It is much easier, however, to get on your high horse and demand the government intervene. That way you can feel good about yourself without actually doing anything. That policy also has the advantage of spreading the costs of such intervention to those who do not want to intervene.
Andy
April 18th, 2011 at 7:20 am
I am an antiabortionist and have never murdered anyone. Regardless of your civil right you must acknowledge that abortion is a violent act.
Terrance&Philip
April 18th, 2011 at 9:09 am
FTA: "How else could John Stossel and David Boaz, both self-proclaimed libertarians – the former a quasi-famous television personality and the latter the Vice President of the Cato Institute, Washington’s premier libertarian think tank – both agree that killing innocents is justified?"
But one wonders what they'd say or how would the feel if their innocents were being killed?
nony mouse
April 18th, 2011 at 9:10 am
thats just like… your opinion, man
Andy
April 18th, 2011 at 9:22 am
thats just like….here is a fetus, now it is gone, problem solved.
RickR30
April 18th, 2011 at 9:31 am
I thought you were done posting here. Progressives have a hard time keeping their promises…
RickR30
April 18th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Precisely. It's fine if we're killing dark-skinned, poor, starving, foreigners, who speak a strange tongue, have different religious beliefs, hand have no means to defend themselves. As long as jews, Christians, Caucasians, the rich aren't dying, it's all good. That's the cultural problem that we have and that supposedly the minority-loving left-wingers solved for us decades ago. But now it's them who are doing all they can to support the killings.
AngelaKeaton
April 18th, 2011 at 9:44 am
One thing I was struck by at CPAC is when speaking to actual nationalists and post-Buckley neo-conservatives is their inability to even image those "dark-skinned, poor, starving, foreigners, who speak a strange tongue, have different religious beliefs, hand have no means to defend themselves" have humanity. But then we aren't that far away in our own history from white only schools.
However, slowly elite opinion is coming around to at least recognizing the racism of someone like Martin Peretz who looks normal, seems like your grouchy uncle. Little by little our modern George Wallaces are being recognized as such without denying them the humanity they so blithely deny others.
liveload
April 18th, 2011 at 10:18 am
"Humanity" only comes up when idealogies are being discussed. When it comes to the act, the only real concerns are economic. All else is just fluff. They care about the bottom line and that's it. That's the heart of the problem: money. As long as the establishment has their Chinese credit card, they will use it. As long as they have access to the resouces they need to pursue militarism, they will continue. We keep talking about idealogical divides and rhetorical constructs when they only way to stop this nonsense is to shut off the money. Once the money is frozen, the warfare will stop. We can work out the philosphies and have all the colorful debates we want once the warfare stops.
RickR30
April 18th, 2011 at 10:53 am
"Once the money is frozen, the warfare will stop." Not sure that would be the case. We're already at that point and what Republicans are doing it is keeping the money flowing and cutting Social Security, Medicare and any other social services to finance the war. Basically have Americans finance war to their own death.
Edward
April 18th, 2011 at 11:12 am
The only difference between Rome and the US is that the American people are more intelligent and have more "power" than the Roman Assemblies however they have no courage to challenge the status quo. It seems that the years of being fed garbage by the Media,some outlets and companies non with standing, has finally taken its toll. The American is "impotent" politically.
When Augustus seized the reins of power in Rome he made a transition from the utter destruction and violence,courtesy of Julius Caesar,Pompey,Crassus and those other beasts,he intended that the real body whose responsibility was to govern the Roman State,the Senate, do its job. However they did not despite being given free reign to do so. Tiberius,despite the nasty unpleasant lies about him, upon assuming the power followed in the same vein and we clearly see this in his retiring for some time from the capital again and again and concentrating his efforts on the provinces of the Empire.
That men like Hadrian and Marcus Aurelius and the better sort of those who assumed the purple were from Roman families and natives whom lived in and were born in the provinces testify to the success of the emperor and was also one of the reasons that there was much more stability in said provinces than Rome itself.
The Senate still insisted on ignoring its responsibilites and as such was left to its fate in the person of Caligula..
May of us are inclined to think that the President is being drawn hither and thither against his wil etc,etc but some of us know better.
When we go about voting out each and every one of these criminals whom are against the best interests of the citizenry,then we shall have some say in our government and direstion in its affairs.
liveload
April 18th, 2011 at 11:35 am
The Fed is still business as usual. We may be in dire financial straits, but we're not there yet. Once hyperinflation hits, then we'll be there.
fedupandsick
April 18th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
If men bore children abortion clinics would be on every corner with big screen TV's and a wet bar in the waiting room.
Jamal
April 18th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
US/NATO have made a choice, its about time for people around the world to understand why Obama was given the Nobel Peace price.., Libya is his doctrine. Like Jimmy Carter Iran was his doctrine.., he more believed in a fundamental “religious democracy” then a true and a meaningful democracy as socialism where banks are peoples banks and factories are peoples factories and it is the peoples power rather then bunch of saintly artists who have the last word in saying.
Such regimes not only don’t feed the democracy and its process but it dose prolong the order of a dictatorial regimes.., The Iranian regime is just an example.., Muslims Brotherhood is another so is Al Queida and others are another that are fighting in libya and have the support of US/NATO is another..
These elements are the US/NATO last resort to keep their unjust and inhuman capitalistic system in tact, these elements are their last chance before a true uprising by the people and for the people in US and Europe.., it is there and people are out in streets in london and eleswhere demonstrating.., if is not seen by people that doesn’t mean that is not there, it only means that is not reported by the biased media.
Jamal
April 18th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Dissolve the democratic party.., there is no democracy about it.., and there is no democracy within this democratic party.., is a war party with a different name falsified as democracy.
Sam
April 18th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
One should not as private individual, state, or empire spend more money than one earns, a physical law. Today the United States with the huge ,growing deficits and the debts seem determined to prove this elementary logic as wrong.More wars and more conflicts abroad would not solve the problem, but make it worse.
JC(safeinoz)
April 18th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
If you people do not want to be part of a UNITED NATIONS sanctioned mission to curb a 'crazy, dangerous, dictator slaughtering civilians, withdraw from tha United Nations and NATO alltogether. Lets see how you go then!
the lion
April 18th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
What leave the UN? we always see the Republicans claim the evils of the UN, pointing out that the UN security forces have in the past raped and done dispicable things themselves.
But the self same Republicans refuse to realise that the United States of America was the instigator of the UN and that they that self same United States the worlds largest Arms Producer through its veto perpetuates war. Just look at the times that Nth and Sth Korea have tried to actually sign a Peace treaty and not the current armistice and had the United States of America refuse to allow it.
The US will never leave the UN they will lose the power of veto,
It not good for the business of selling war materiel.
Jamal
April 18th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
What kind of medication your are taking man..,
Hrebeljanovic
April 18th, 2011 at 8:42 pm
I see you're quite savvy with the history of Roman Empire.
What kind of change do you want in Iraq and Afghanistan? More killings?
Your statement that progressives are smart and republicans are stupid is not something worth discussing. Grow up.
I'm sure there are many "progressives" that will agree with you that killing some Libyans is not something we should worry about. After all, it is in the name of "humanity".
Bombama is actually making fundamental conclusions? Who-ah, Nellie!
Sean2009
April 18th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
Excellent article, and I'm glad to see Raimondo calling out some of his fellow libertarians for their war-support.
jackbootstate
April 19th, 2011 at 12:05 am
"(For shame, Barbara Boxer.)"
No, wait a second. You mean for shame, first and foremost, on "Independent PWOGWESSIVE" Bernie Sanders.
RED DAVE
April 19th, 2011 at 4:10 am
No it isn't. It's only a violent act according to your bizarre metaphysics. What is violent is refusing to give a woman control of her own body.
RED DAVE
April 19th, 2011 at 4:13 am
Get this Just and get it right for once. You are consistently distorting history to support your positions.
Liberals are not part of the Left. The Left consists of groups and individuals who are anticapitalist, and few, if any, of those are supporting US intervention in Libya.
Sam
April 19th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Time after the war on drugs, on terror to declare the war on DEBTS.
ozzie
April 19th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
Justin writes: "where is hope?"
The hope, of course, is that the U.S. goes broke. Maybe we then can see some real change – change we can believe in.
anti_republocrat
April 19th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Justin, this is one of your best columns, largely because it fairly takes to task both left and right. There certainly is plenty of blame to go around. There are plenty of people on the left who oppose ALL these wars and interventions, just as there are people like you and the Pauls on the right. We all need to work together. "Progressives" need to be willing to work for and give credit to those on the right who are for peace and reducing the military budget, and "libertarians" need also to give credit to people like Dennis Kucinich rather that mocking him about his ears, or UFOs or whatever.
M. Lee
April 20th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Regarding the criticism of Stossel: my impression is that his statement that we had to drop the a-bomb to end the war was posed as a "devil's advocate" type of statement. He often makes this kind of unlibertarian statement for the sake of argument and to get his guests to shoot it down(or agree with it). I don't think the same about Boaz, though; I think he actually believes it.