WikiLeaks, Michael Lind, and the ‘New’ Nationalism
The authoritarian left comes out of the closet
The international debate engendered by WikiLeaks’ ongoing publication of classified US diplomatic cables has sent most American liberals into hiding. Gone AWOL when it comes to the Obama administration’s escalation of the federal government’s war on civil liberties, mainstream liberal defenders of WikiLeaks are few and far between.
On the cable news circuit, Rachel Maddow, the supposed “foreign policy wonk,” devoted a brief segment to the issue, echoing the MSM’s party line that There’s Nothing New Here. (Earth to Rachel: Since only a small percentage of the cables have so far been published, isn’t it a little premature for such a pronouncement? Just asking .) Her fellow MSNBCer, Chris Matthews, confined himself to a few snarling comments about Julian Assange – “a rapist” – with only Keith Olbermann (who can hardly be called “mainstream,” in any event) openly defending the last remaining symbol of what had once been a free society.
By far the most consistent and effective champion of WikiLeaks on what passes for the “left” these days has been the heroic Glenn Greenwald: not only in his widely-read columns for Salon.com, but in numerous media appearances in which he has taken on the worst of the very worst – and, yes, I do indeed mean John F. Burns, of the New York Times. Glenn has been everywhere, a libertarian gladiator up against the Empire’s pundit warrior-slaves, and winning every time.
News programs which would normally interview only regimist “experts” and commentators have been forced, by the very nature of a contentious subject, to bring in someone who doesn’t toe Washington’s line, and Glenn – with his legal training and calm, reasoned demeanor – is almost singlehandedly taking on the Powers That Be in this important fight.
Now, however, a challenger has arisen from within the ranks of the Salon.com limousine liberal set to take on our Spartacus: Michael Lind, who has staked out a position as a “new nationalist” on the Obama-friendly left, has entered the arena, outlining the case against Assange and WikiLeaks that Eric Holder’s Justice Department will make in court if US goons succeed in netting him from the Swedes, or perhaps even the Brits. (If only we could read those diplomatic cables going to and fro between Washington, Stockholm, and London!)
“This controversy,” avers Lind, “has nothing to do with views of current U.S. foreign policy.” It’s time to reel out his lefty, antiwar credentials, and he does so:
“I denounced the Iraq War in advance in print, on the radio and on TV, and after it began in two books. I favor rapid disengagement from Afghanistan and a far more modest American military role in the world.”
Yes, but what has Lind done to advance the cause of downsizing America’s overseas presence lately? These cables are a treasure trove for advocates of military modesty: we’ll be poring over them for years extracting the lessons of the rampant immodesty that has so far dominated the minds of US policymakers.
For revealing the true face of America’s overseas empire, Assange should be hailed as a hero by anti-interventionists of every stripe, much as opponents of the Vietnam war supported and continue to honor Pentagon Papers leaker Daniel Ellsberg. So why is the allegedly anti-interventionist – or, perhaps, modestly interventionist – Lind coming out against WikiLeaks? “I agree with the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan that much, perhaps most, government secrecy is unnecessary and counterproductive,” he writes,
“But everyone other than anarchists who oppose government of any kind must acknowledge the need for diplomats and military officers, as well as civilian officials, to be able to engage in confidential communications among themselves and with foreign governments without fear of unauthorized publicity. Even the government of an isolationist America would insist on that prerogative.”
The government of a country that was “isolationist” (i.e. intent on minding its own business) and also authoritarian would undoubtedly prosecute WikiLeaks, and any American or foreign national on American soil who gave it aid and comfort. It would most certainly insist that PayPal, Bank of America, Amazon.com, and all “private” companies cease doing business with WikiLeaks. This could indeed happen in an “isolationist” America in which the Constitution never existed, or in which the anti-Federalists didn’t succeed in inserting those essential Amendments to the final document – notably the first, which protects WikiLeaks and the media in general from government censorship and prosecution.
As to whether such a regime would do everything in its power to capture Assange, and drag him, in chains, into a US court, is highly doubtful. Not being an American citizen, the WikiLeaks founder is not subject to our various laws regulating the release of classified information, nor do we have the legal authority to prosecute him – unless one assumes the US government has legal sovereignty over the entire globe. This, however, is a doubtful legal premise for an “isolationist” administration, of any stripe, to uphold. Only the government of an isolationist America with Lind in the White House would make such a legal argument shortly before being laughed out of court.
In an isolationist America, the jury would certainly take a dim view of the government’s claim to supra-national sovereignty, but most of all they’d wonder what all the fuss was about. After all, the content of the cables would be far different: details of peaceful, non-invasive, non-threatening cultural and educational activities, blow-by-blow accounts of cocktail party conversations, etc. We certainly wouldn’t be hearing about secret bombing raids, how we’re dragged into conflicts by reckless allies, and how our diplomats are directly intervening in the legal affairs of other nations. And I very much doubt we’d be reading about our “isolationist” secretary of state ordering US diplomats to collect credit card numbers and computer passwords of their foreign counterparts.
In any case, Lind, undeterred by the illogic of his position, is here merely echoing Obama administration spokesmen who claim WikiLeaks is an “anarchist” cabal. Discussing the various “legal” options open to the Obama administration, and their origin during the Wilson era, Lind again raises a point of personal privilege:
“I’m no defender of World War I-era paranoia, as my German-born great-grandfather was a victim of it. However, if the Espionage Act did not exist, I would favor passage of some sort of reasonable act to protect legitimate government secrets, because democratic republics have a right to protect themselves from genuine spies and real traitors, as well as vengeful employees. If the perennial presidential candidate of the Socialist Party, Eugene Debs, whom the Wilson administration imprisoned for opposing the draft, had been elected president, I doubt that America’s socialist commander in chief and chief diplomat would have looked kindly on unauthorized publication of classified government secrets.’
President Debs would undoubtedly have released the secret unpublished protocols of the Versailles Treaty – although they leaked out anyway, and soured a whole generation of progressives on the idea of wars to “make the world safe for democracy.” And surely there would be no Espionage Act, and scant legal means to prosecute either WikiLeaks or Assange – although, with extensive control over the economy, government officials could simply order companies like Amazon.com to sever their links to WikiLeaks. And I find it difficult to reconcile Debs the person, who saw himself as a challenger to authority and not its enabler, ordering Assange’s imprisonment.
Debs, however, was an old-fashioned leftist, who would certainly disdain the sort of “new nationalism” preached by Lind and similar would-be renovators of the progressive vision. Exchanging his historian hat for that of a legal expert, Lind then tries to claim WikiLeaks is trying to wriggle out of prosecution by “rewriting its own history” because of text changes on its submissions page. “WikiLeaks accepts a wide range of materials,” the new text reads, “but we do not solicit it.” Which is no doubt true: after all, they’ve already got a huge backlog, what with 250,000 diplomatic cables to publish, not to mention all the other material they’ve received. They don’t have to solicit material: their mere existence is in itself a solicitation, like the office Suggestion Box.
Lind doesn’t seem to understand either this concept, or indeed anything to do with computer technology and anonymity on the web: for example, he claims that the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act could be used to prosecute Assange and WikiLeaks. But the Act criminalizes the practice known as “cracking,” i.e. remotely accessing computer files electronically, and “hacking” into the system. This is not what WikiLeaks does, or is involved in: instead, it is merely an electronic drop box in which whistleblowers can store and transmit documents and other evidence of governmental or corporate wrongdoing in complete anonymity. There is no conspiracy between WikiLeaks and whoever leaked those cables because there is no need of one: the technology is itself the subversive element that compromises and exposes the system.
As an attorney for the prosecution, Lind is eager to debunk WikiLeaks’ journalistic credentials, but instead reveals more about himself than he does about the issue:
“There is little resemblance between a media organization that summarizes leaked information from a Pentagon or State Department official, following elaborate precautions and internal discussions among the publisher and the editors, and a sect of anarchists who dump stolen documents from more than a hundred countries into cyberspace.”
He goes on to rant that the WikiLeakers are akin to “criminal lunatics and terrorists” plotting to collect “hush money” from their “victims.” Whatever relationship to reality these accusations may have is not clear, but, then again, at this point, Lind’s hold on reality seems increasingly tenuous as his tirade proceeds on its cyclonic, scattershot course. Lind, by the way, claims to know what is in the encrypted “insurance” file:
“The ‘doomsday files’ which have been downloaded from the WikiLeaks website by tens of thousands of supporters are understood to include information on Guantanamo Bay, and aerial video of a U.S. air strike in Afghanistan that killed civilians, BP reports and Bank of America documents.”
How does he know this? He says the files “are understood to include” this information: understood by whom? The Bank of America files are a separate question, not necessarily related to the “insurance” file. The aerial video is in the same category, and as for information on Guantanamo Bay, the expectation – my expectation – is that this will come out in the many thousands of cables yet to be published.
Well, then, says Lind, how do we know WikiLeaks isn’t using this information to shake down institutions – like banks. “We would never know,” he avers. But of course the argument can be turned around, and we can ask the same question about what the US government is doing with this vast database: is it conceivable that US government officials could use this information to shake down or otherwise intimidate foreign or domestic politically players into more cooperative behavior? Indeed, it’s inconceivable that they didn’t.
The unspoken premise behind this unasked question is that governments have this prerogative, which no private citizen must take it upon themselves to exercise. Lind, being a dyed-in-the-wool statist, and incipient authoritarian, is furious that this cardinal rule has been violated, and by an “anarchist sect” to boot. He can hardly contain his spittle-flecked fury: “If Assange sincerely believes that he needs to blackmail the U.S. government into refraining from assassinating him,” he bellows, “he is delusional as well as conceited.”
There are many more ways for the US to take out a high profile thorn in its side, and assassination is perhaps the least effective. The most effective, it seems to me, is to do what they have been doing: running a well-coordinated smear campaign and reel him in, initially, on a lesser charges, using proxies like the Brits and the Swedes. Lind is right about one thing, though: the prospect of facing ever-darker spilled secrets is unlikely to deter the number one criminal organization on earth, otherwise known as the US federal government, from closing in on its prey. We see this in every day’s headlines, in which the smear campaign and the legal campaign against WikiLeaks take on more hysterical overtones, of which Lind’s essay represents a new low point.
Conflating the public pronouncements of “Anonymous” – the online hackers who have vowed to avenge the persecution of Assange by hacking into various government and corporate web sites – with those of Assange and the WikiLeaks leadership, Lind conjures a “contempt for the masses” and a messianic message that the people must be saved from themselves: “Like other illiberal sects, the cult of Assange rationalizes its contempt for law and ordinary politics by dismissing the ‘general public’ as passive fools brainwashed by the ‘media with a political agenda.’ So much for democracy.”
Yet Assange clearly does not believe any of this: his online manifesto, which Lind cites but seems not to have read, clearly is counting on public support in order to achieve its objective of a freer, more transparent society, and Assange has himself expressed optimism that support for his cause will increase as the crimes of the mighty are exposed. Yet Lind’s preferred narrative will not be denied by a few uncomfortable facts:
“As in other forms of anti-liberal thought, like anarchism and fascism and Marxism-Leninism and radical Islamism, the central idea of cyber-anarchism is that society must be saved by a self-appointed vanguard of vigilantes who themselves are above the law and whose motives are beyond question: ‘Anonymous is here to ensure punishment does not go unserved to those who deserve it.’ So much for liberalism, which dreads arbitrary power, fears hero worship and assumes that charismatic rebels as well as bureaucratic authorities are likely to be fallible, biased and corrupt.”
There are no links, or even footnotes, to validate Lind’s weird definition of what he calls “cyber-anarchism,” nor does he even try to prove his counterintuitive thesis that anarchism is a form of “anti-liberal thought,” akin to “radical Islamism”: he simply states it as a given. But, really, his attempt to give the persecution of WikiLeaks and the relentless pursuit of Assange a “liberal” coloration is a bit of overreaching: instead of convincing the reader, it merely gives the author a neoconservative coloration. And while charismatic rebels may have their downside, they are not in a position to inflict as much damage as their fallible, biased, and corrupt counterparts in government, who have access to the indispensable tool of tyrants everywhere: state power.
WikiLeaks isn’t a news media organization: in Lind’s view, it’s a “cult-like political and intellectual movement.” Critics of this dangerous new “illiberal” movement are supposedly being smeared by Assange, who – incredibly! – thinks moves by major credit card companies, Bank of America, et al., to disrupt WikiLeaks makes them “instruments of US foreign policy.” Oh, perish the thought! Governmental-corporate collusion? Not in Michael Lind’s America! And if you believe the US government had something of a hand in the awfully convenient “rape” charges thrown at Assange, why, then “the Birthers and Birchers and Truthers now have company.” See how that rhymes – Birther, Bircher? Clever, isn’t it? And conflating Assange with those terrible right-wing ogres so familiar to readers of Salon – using all-purpose smear words divorced from any real meaning and perfectly suited to Lind’s purposes, which dovetail nicely with those of the US Justice Department. Even cleverer still!
While Vice President Joe Biden’s description of WikiLeaks as “high tech terrorism” may have been overwrought, says Lind, WikiLeaks supporters are indeed akin to “terrorists,” in that they are hoping for an overreaction from the government, which will reduce the free flow of information within governmental organizations, and this will lead to their collapse. And who describes this similarity to al-Qaeda, asks Lind: why none other than Glenn Greenwald. Therefore, WikiLeaks is indeed a “terrorist” organization – so, Eric, the coast is clear, you can go ahead and prosecute now!
Except there’s just one tiny difference between al-Qaeda and WikiLeaks: the latter isn’t commandeering airliners and flying them into skyscrapers, nor is it murdering civilians indiscriminately all around the world. Oh, but in Lind’s world, which shares a solar system with Bizarro World, al-Qaeda and WikiLeaks are indistinguishable entities, two heads of the same creature.
Like apologists for the previous administration, the defenders of this one are eager to equate their enemies with terrorism, and the Obama-ites are just as prone to this as the Fox News crowd. This is their “argument” of last resort: when all else fails, bring out the “you’re-a-terrorist” guns and fire away. It works every time.
Lind’s “new nationalism,” is, I’m afraid, the same as the “old” nationalism: a flag-waving, hysterical, ingrown doctrine of delusion and rationale for unbridled militarism. It is an ideological instrument that makes repression easier to justify, even as the epitome of an enlightened “liberalism.” Like all statists, his is the idolatry of Authority, which requires secrecy as a matter of course. His socialistic vision of a highly centralized American state, which controls much of the economy and society, far from curtailing US intervention around the globe, would make it far easier for our government to marshal national resources around an aggressive foreign policy. Once they grab power, these sorts of “liberals” are usually the first to make the most of it. In Lind’s rabid ultra-nationalism, we are seeing the future of “liberalism” as it exists under President Obama – and what a discredited, foul creature it is!
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- BS in Baghdad – May 24th, 2012
- Interventionism and the Elites – May 22nd, 2012
- Obama or Anarchy? – May 20th, 2012
- What Does Ron Paul Want? – May 17th, 2012
- Hillary’s Terrorists – May 15th, 2012





MoT
December 26th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
I love how all the goofy bastards in the MSM like to babble on about how "There is nothing new" and then support calls for whomever releases such "known" tidbits to be either incarcerated or killed. If its such old hat then why get their snouts all in a twist? Hmmmm? And, yes, what has so far been published is but the tip of the iceberg. That's why they're going into overdrive trying to destroy WikiLeaks or anyone associated because there has to be far worse that has yet to see the light of day.
SimonPeter
December 27th, 2010 at 1:44 am
Check out the difference between the Australian press and the US press:
http://www.theage.com.au/national/editors-lambast…
SimonPeter
December 27th, 2010 at 1:50 am
Julian Assange is simply making up for the 10 years of silence we have had from the mainstream press. Julian Assange is a highly respected Australian journalist and publisher in good standing with the Australian media and artists union. He is a mathematician, philosopher, physicist, father and all round typical Australian. Australians don't buckle to bullies. It is a pity the US is out to get Julian by any means fair or foul because the world is watching and becoming increasingly appalled. How could the US trash its own brand so?
Wolfgang9
December 27th, 2010 at 3:49 am
There were of course already a large number of things in the cables we didn't really know before.
Like that the war (I think the term defense is most of the time misleading) minister of Lebanon who encouraged Israel to attack his own country. And there were more.
But, on many other subjects, we did of course know (maybe unconciously, or maybe 'cause we are just logically thinking) the things which the cables outlined in more detail. However, what is so important here, we can now give refereneces when we talk to others and do not have to fear questions about proving it. This is very important for me to have this confidence the cables give me.
W
Rob
December 27th, 2010 at 3:51 am
Lind :
"…society must be saved by a self-appointed vanguard of vigilantes who themselves are above the law and whose motives are beyond question"
Without knowing it, he has perfectly described the US government and the neoconservative mindset.
Wolfgang9
December 27th, 2010 at 4:12 am
Now, I'm not easily fooled, there are many who claim to be anti war, like this M. Lind is doing.
But after reading his rant against Assange, I conclude he is by his attitude just another war mongerer, spreading hate.
W
Jon
December 27th, 2010 at 4:49 am
I'm rather disapointed in Mr. Lind and his position on Wikileaks. Is he looking to get some sort of government position or grant? On a side note I thought his 4Gen Warfare was on the money.
james
December 27th, 2010 at 5:41 am
Bollocks and bullshit, the Aussie press is all of the same creed nad is owned by the same people. The difference is that Assange is Australian and people there WILL not accept demonising him by the Americans or anybody else. The press there knows this and they are playing it safe. Otherwise it is a mirror of the rest of the Western world's decieving lying bastards.
Doug_in_Indiana
December 27th, 2010 at 6:32 am
It appears you have two Mr. Linds confused. Mr. Raimondos subject here is Michael, once a self-confessed neoconservative. You are probably referring to William S. Lind who frequently writes about 4th generation war and the US War Department's delusional preparations for long-ago wars on AntiWar.com.
jojo
December 27th, 2010 at 7:34 am
Sorry Justin–I don't agree with your position on Julian's organization.Total EXCUSE/PLOT to put controls on the internet. Just like the "B'' Movie script -9/II Box cutter Hi-jackers and so is Weakileaks–Condome bursts–Spends time in Jail–fears being sent to USA,released on $300,000 bail and let's not report exploding underwear and shoes and toner(no-one dies or too stupid to make it work) did Julian leak any of the set-up? NOPE!–get this not a peep about USrael misdeeds–Oh! Julian will release some dirt on Israel–down the road-Yaah!
Fact is nothing released is unknown to us and worse–did anyone get arrested or lost their jobs? Nope!
greatdogs
December 27th, 2010 at 7:39 am
My guess is that Mr. Lind is looking for a position at Fox News. Afterall, he does have the buzzwords and talking points down pat.
bogi666
December 27th, 2010 at 7:55 am
The USG is taken over by a Mafia-Industrial-Complex, MIC, which is funded by the "forced contributions" of US taxpayers to fund the protection racket that is run by the MIC. In August Admiral Mullen declared that the national debt is a threat to national security while the Pentagon/spy agencies are funded by the Treasury bond proceeds of the national debt. The Pentagon is a threat to national security because it is funded by the national debt. The "forced contributions" fund a threat to national security, the Pentagon, to protect US from threats to national security, Al Capone is smiling in syphilis hell, wishing he had copyrighted something. This is a MIC protection racket just as when the mobsters told their prospective "force contributors" that they should pay them to protect them from themselves, the mobsters, or they and their families would die and their property destroyed. The purpose of the Pentagon is to protect the worldwide assets of the WEALTHY PREDATORY CAPITALIST WELFARE KINGS, many of which pay to USG taxes.
MvGuy
December 27th, 2010 at 8:17 am
"the Empire’s pundit warrior-slaves"
Another jewel from Mr. Raimondo……..
MvGuy
December 27th, 2010 at 8:32 am
How could it get worse than the [Lebanese] "Defense Minister Elias Murr is described giving U.S. diplomats advice to pass on to Israel for any Israeli attack on Hezbollah. [THE DEFENSE MINISTER OF LEBANON CONSPIRING THROUGH THE U.S. AMBASSADOR AN ATTACK ON HIS OWN COUNTRY BY A FOREIGN ADVERSARY...???] Another cable refers to hitherto-secret U.S. spy flights over Lebanon. **OBVIOUSLY THE U.S. WAS COMPLICIT IN THE ISRAELI ATTACK ON LEBANON….. REMEMBER HOW BUSH AND RICE STOPPED CEASEFIRE RESOLUTIONS AT THE U.N.??? WHAT COULD BE WORSE THAN THIS./….IT"S A WAR CRIME!!
"The conflict killed at least 1,300 people, mostly Lebanese citizens,[34][35][36] severely damaged Lebanese civil infrastructure, and displaced approximately one million Lebanese[37] and 300,000–500,000 Israelis.[22][38][39] After the ceasefire, some parts of southern Lebanon remained uninhabitable due to Israeli unexploded cluster bomblets.[40]
The Israeli's dropped millions of Made in Massachusetts cluster bomblets on "The villages that support them" [Hesbollah] as CONSPIRED through the U.S. Ambaqssador….
. [Wikipedia] "during the conflict. Israel fired 4.6 million submunitions into dozens of towns and villages in southern Lebanon in 962 separate strikes, the vast majority within the final days of the war. Israel claimed to have warned civilians prior to a strike, and that firing was limited to open areas or military targets inside urban areas.[235] Israel used advanced cluster munitions produced by Israel Military Industries, and large numbers of older cluster bombs, some produced in the 1970s, purchased from aging American stockpiles. These were fired by multiple rocket launchers"
RickR30
December 27th, 2010 at 9:44 am
Excellent. If we had a media that does it job and journalists who are not Obama zombies and neocon puppets then perhaps there would be nothing new to see in the Wikileaks releases. But since the media has become another arm of AIPAC we need Wikileaks to put the MSM once and for all out of its mistery.
RickR30
December 27th, 2010 at 9:57 am
None of this is nationalism. But it certainly is liberalism/socialism/communism/neoconservatism. The state in control of everything. Citizens as powerless subjects who have to put up with whatever the system asks.
MvGuy
December 27th, 2010 at 10:03 am
"not a peep about USrael misdeeds–Oh!"
WOW JOJO, Are you behind the times..!!?????? Weeks…???
“The scandalous details of the meetings that took place between the US ambassador in Lebanon and Former Lebanese Minister of Telecommunications and Lebanese Defense Minister Elias el-Murr unveil they were collaborating with a foreign side like informers instigating against other Lebanese side without limits,” the daily said. It also revealed that if the list of expenses which was spent by Assistant Secretary of State Jeffrey Feltman in Beirut was uncovered, “then one can understand the reason behind these officials’ enthusiasm and immoderation in submitting information to the US embassy.”
The article appeared in antiwar.com ……….No excuses…! Here http://www.almanar.com.lb/newssite/NewsDetails.as…
Too much MSN, not enough searching ……jojo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Feltman
MoT
December 27th, 2010 at 10:10 am
I've pointed out to friends of mine, people who really haven't a clue about what is going on in the world but still spew the typical tripe they swallow from the boob tube. When I show that innocents are killed with weapons we're forced to pay for all I get are unblinking gazes and often enough nodding heads that indicate what I've said is in fact sadly true. Fast forward a couple of months and a similar incident occurs and they're parroting the same lines as before! Lessons learned? For my friends and associates… none. For me? Turn the damn TV talking heads and "news" off. If ever there were a portal to hell, in America at least, then the one-eyed beast, like Charon, will ferry you there.
JLS
December 27th, 2010 at 10:11 am
"As to whether such a regime would do everything in its power to capture Assange, and drag him, in chains, into a US court, is highly doubtful. Not being an American citizen, the WikiLeaks founder is not subject to our various laws regulating the release of classified information, nor do we have the legal authority to prosecute him – unless one assumes the US government has legal sovereignty over the entire globe. "
This point cannot be stressed enough. Almost the whole world now just accepts that the US government does have jurisdiction over everyone and everything on the planet. It has been strange to read in British and Australian papers speculation about whether this or that is protected under the first amendment. I want to scream "It's not your amendment, its not your constitution, you're not under Washington's jurisdiction!" The whole idea of independent sovereign nations seems to have given way to the idea of the US as at least a proto-one world government.
JLS
December 27th, 2010 at 10:13 am
well said Simon!
Heathcliff_Maw
December 27th, 2010 at 10:32 am
What Lind doesn't understand is that if the US government were honorable and non-interventionist, then WikiLeaks would have nothing to say about it.
Glenn Greenwald is one of my favorite people in the world, but Rachel Maddow has lost credibility with me over this issue. Well, I haven't watched her show much over the last six months or so anyway, so I won't miss it.
Hacklheber
December 27th, 2010 at 11:08 am
Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.
If X happens and then Y ensues which is to the profit of Z (Z catching the ball in flight, so to say), then that does not mean that Z engineered X.
In the real world, it is mostly impossible for Z to engineer X.
Otherwise the cables would be full of "hurrr…. just as planned"
Hacklheber
December 27th, 2010 at 11:13 am
Well, then, says Lind, how do we know WikiLeaks isn’t using this information to shake down institutions – like banks. “We would never know,” he avers.
Amazing. None of the intended victims has gone to the FBI earlier (people tend to do that when it gets painful) or joined the current witchhunt against Wikileaks/Assange (which would probably transform them into heroes overnight too)? Yeah, that's really dumb.
MvGuy
December 27th, 2010 at 11:17 am
P.S. Check out Feltman's current project…. Investigate the Hariri assassination…….
See: Jeffrey Feltman's "Really Great Plan"
Squeezing Hezbollah
By FRANKLIN LAMB
http://www.counterpunch.org/lamb10282010.html
"Given that Washington realized that there is no way that the Tribunal is going to work out, it is best to find a way to trash it. Feltman has a “Dead men don’t talk” plan. Imad, Mughniyah who many thought was dead these past 26 years was really killed this time on February 12, 2008 in Damascus. Beirut sources reveal that Israel, who killed Mughniyah, aimed for February 14, not the 12th in order to deliver the message that it can carry out an assassination at will and on any date. Israel wanted to kill Mughniyah on the same day Hariri was assassinated, i.e. February 14. But they missed their target date by less than 48 hours. Feltman believes, but has never been able to prove according to former CIA agent Robert Baer, that Mughniyah might have been involved in anti-American acts in April of 1983, (US Embassy), October of 1984 (US Marine barracks) and other so-called “terrorist” activities.
Earlier this month, Feltman sent a message to Hezbollah to the effect than if Hezbollah will go along with blamingMughniyah for killing Hariri that works for the Americans because it will be circumstantial evidence that he also did acts of terrorism in the 1980’s so all files could be closed once and for all. He told more than one person he met with in Beirut this month that he thought his was “a really great plan.”
Apparently Secretary Clinton and President Obama did too.
Hezbollah did not."
TruthinessAdvocate
December 27th, 2010 at 11:27 am
Another scathing column by Justin. His silver tongue keeps me coming back, but again I'm left shaking my head at the disingenuously dichotomous paradigm he fashions. Here, he uses Michael Lind as the example of how liberalism seeks to squash Wikileaks and freedom of the press. But Lind is a former neocon! This little sidenote goes unmentioned. If you're going to use the opinions of one individual as a bellweather for an entire political movement, wouldn't it be prudent to examine that individual's positions and political affiliations as they've evolved over time? Justin rightly asks our journalistic class to dig deeper and honestly report facts as they are, rather than shape their reporting to fit a predetermined outcome, yet here he does it himself – Justin believes liberals are the enemies of peace, so he's written a column to reinforce that notion. Someone who believes the opposite, that convervatives are the enemies of peace, could merely assert he's a con in liberal clothing. Both perspectives are equally right AND wrong – they're merely two sides of the same coin. Once again, Jusin seems to be allowing his pro-convervative bias to color his reporting. Such an unfortunate flaw for such a gifted, intelligent writer!
bogi666
December 27th, 2010 at 11:31 am
The USG consider itself to be the proto-one world government.
liberranter
December 27th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
Julian Assange is a highly respected Australian journalist and publisher in good standing with the Australian media and artists union.
"In good standing with the Australian media and artists union?" Not exactly a ringing endorsement of someone supposedly looked upon as a rebel and truth seeker.
liberranter
December 27th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Almost the whole world now just accepts that the US government does have jurisdiction over everyone and everything on the planet. It has been strange to read in British and Australian papers speculation about whether this or that is protected under the first amendment. I want to scream "It's not your amendment, its not your constitution, you're not under Washington's jurisdiction!" The whole idea of independent sovereign nations seems to have given way to the idea of the US as at least a proto-one world government.
This would seem to confirm that both the governments and MSM organs of most Western nations are wholly-owned subsidiaries of the UFSA, or whatever supra-governmental body it serves as a mask for.
Terrance&Philip
December 27th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
"…society must be saved by a self-appointed vanguard of vigilantes who themselves are above the law and whose motives are beyond question"
Lind writes like a true neocon Trotskyite. "History" will always provide a chosen one(s), master race or vanguard elite (if you prefer).
But as has been said before: "Quis custodiet custodes?" (Who will guard the guardians?)
Terrance&Philip
December 27th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
" In August Admiral Mullen declared that the national debt is a threat to national security…"
Admiral Mullen knows his history. The English Civil War of the 1640's and The French Revolution both began with budget crises. But, they were telling us only five years ago: "Deficits don't matter."
History repeats itself, first as tragedy and then as farce.
Gary
December 27th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
"Without knowing it, he has perfectly described the US government and the neoconservative mindset…"
Agreed… except with the caveat that the 'neoconservative mindset' is, as Mr. Raimondo so brilliantly demonstrated, indistinguishable from the mainline 'neoliberal mindset' in terms of its penchant for authoritarianism and militarism.
Was that not the entire point of the article? They are one and the same.
Gary
December 27th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Let's not get this confused, because it is very important. There exists both a grassroots antiwar progressive left *and* a grassroots antiwar libertarian right, which truly *are* vanguards of their respective theories on either side of the political spectrum. These two schools are opposed philosophically in terms of how they would see society organized popularly and represented governmentally, yes. However, the reality is that the corporate-governmental regime which *actually* manages to retain power invariably from one administration to the next–while it will always pander to either side or the other in rhetoric–represents *neither* in practice. The transition is always seamless, the rhetoric always expendable, because the real power lies behind the throne. It is not *neoconservative* as opposed to *neoliberal*. It is not 'right-wing' as opposed to 'left.' It is fascism, pure and simple–a self-serving, oligarchic, corporate-governmental tyranny. Neither school of political theory actually condones such an unholy marriage of corporations to government, regardless of what either side may wish to believe about the other.
Gary
December 27th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
But the spin doctors of the establishment keep us fighting one another in theory as though it were so and an inherently evil philosophy *was* the real enemy, all while a common enemy continues to rape and loot us *both* in practice.
Rob
December 27th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Agree with you, Gary. What we call "neoconservatives" are not very conservative at all in the traditional sense, they are on the contrary radical statists.
"These two schools are opposed philosophically in terms of how they would see society organized popularly and represented governmentally, yes."
- I disagree with this, there is a lot of overlap between the two groups, from what I can tell.
Bianca
December 27th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
Totally agree. NONE of this is nationalism. The zombie liberalism just mouths off the old worn out phrases, and has long ago lost it usefullness, even as a plausible "left" that was used to crush every original thought. All "isms" are pointless. We are ruled by corporations that once were American. Now they are foreign. From CocaCola onward, they are antiamerican. GM was bailed out in US at taxpayers expense, while they were opening multibillion factories in Russia and China. Any REAL nationalism would insist that we change the status of all corporations as foreign, if some tests are met. Such as employing most of workforce abroad, being registered in tax haven countries, or shielding their assets elsewhere from losses in US. Such foreign companies should not pay for our elections. They should be subject to the rules for foreign corporations. No corporation, foreign or domestic can get any assets from taxpayer without that taxpayers' interest being protected. Products developed by public funding must yield profit to the taxpayer after all the costs to the taxpayer have been reimbursed. That would stop the practice of developing products then selling them back to the same taxpaying idiot!
GradyWilson
December 27th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Justin, Micheal Lind and supporters of the empire (Dem and Repub) are not "socialists". Quit spouting this lie. The socialists are the ones getting their offices raided by the FBI because they are real "enemies of the state".
The supporters of US military imperialism are fascists – whether they call themselves, conservatives, liberals, Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians or Tea Partiers.
This is Raimondo's (and every libertarian's) MO. Pretend the fascists are 'socialists' so the remedy is to go further right – no checks on capital, no regulation, allow the wealthy to control everything. Brilliant!
muggles
December 27th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
Michael Lind is another fair weather "civil libertarian." WikiLeaks began during the Bush era yet I'm sure Lind had nothing bad to say about these crypto anarchists back then. Only when St. Obama is outed does Mr. Socialism With a Human Face get upset. His guy now looks bad (and his gal Hillary of course).
And slamming Assange as an "anarchist" (he recently told the press he isn't) is just another example of the statist smearbund at work. Not that there is anything wrong with anarchists.
Bianca
December 27th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
Rachell Maddow has shown her stripes as a zombie progressive. The liberal class is dead in US, and has been for a long, long time. What survives in its zombie form has long time ago stopped being progressive, and has been the means of creating credibility to the ruling elite by ostracizing trully progressive, independent thinkers. She has joined this class of half-dead, and is clearly comfortable in that role.
Bianca
December 27th, 2010 at 5:08 pm
But he cannot help it. Most Americans cannot. It is in DNA. There is always going to be an "ism" of some kind, and we are to have only limited overlapping of ideas in common, lest the people figure out the trick. There are no conservatives, no liberals. There are only those who believe that the solution lies in the institutions that work for them, and those who are on the outside looking in, and are still hoping for these institutions to come to the rescue. Then there are those who have given up. Those who have started thinking BEYOND the chasm, and realizing how much everyone outside the matrix has IN COMMON, are still a tinny, tinny minority. Justin has not started to think outside the box yet. He still believes in steak the matrix offers, and only courts with the idea of leaving it. How do I know it? Because the ideas BEYOND what is — do not exist in his writings. We can all spout some slogans, "conservative", "liberarian" or "liberal" — but these are no solutions. They do not offer a path to an alternative. Absence of alternative is the curse of our times.
thoughtbell
December 27th, 2010 at 8:22 pm
Is "fascist" quite the right term to describe the mindset behind the dominant institutional conspiracy? It is certainly facist in a number of aspects, and the word does ring out. But how about a more precise footnote than Mussolini or Hitler? Edward Bernays? Walter Lippmann? These folks weren't adherents to cultish visions of the state; rather, they considered democracy window dressing for the prerogative of the "intelligent minority". Isn't that why the dialogue comes apart in such an absurd manner when faced with such contradictions as presented by Wikileaks? For these, the constitution, rights, and the rule of law are mostly apple pie for the "dumb beasts". (Even corporations are merely institutions for their continued dominance). Isn't there a better word than "fascist" for the religion of the elites?
Lee
December 27th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
What about that "U.S. air strike in Afghanistan that killed civilians"? I've been waiting to see that video ever since the "Collateral Murder" video in Iraq. The Afghanistan attack was described as orders of magnitude more horrifying than the Iraq video. I have been truly mystified as to why it hasn't been released. Surely, it would blow the White House, the Pentagon, the CIA right out of the water. Justin, in at least one article back in the summer, was urging Wikileaks to release the Afghanistan video without delay. Why hasn't it been? Does anybody know the reason? Does it actually exist?
jojo
December 27th, 2010 at 8:38 pm
I hate to break Justin's heart but here is the big SCOOP
"“If we had Wikileaks up to speed, the Goldstone Report would never have been heard of at all. There isn’t anything that can’t be covered up by a Julian Assange scandal. I just hope something doesn’t come up where it gets so serious that Assange will have to be assassinated. He is really a loveable dupe.” (ADL source)" http://www.rebelnews.org/opinion/middle-east/5836…
Good Luck
December 27th, 2010 at 8:39 pm
Mr Lind's essay deals with the 1917 espionage act/1918 sedition act without actually addressing it.
From Wikipedia.
It prohibited any attempt to interfere with military operations, to support America's enemies during wartime, to promote insubordination in the military, or to interfere with military recruitment.
The wikileaks dealing with the military are historical so they do not interfere with military operations, which are future events.
My guess is if they go for a pure 1917 action against Assange it will be the insubordination and military recruitment aspect. For example getting Bradley Manning to claim Assange somehow caused his insubordination.
Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986 (US)
"intentionally, without authorization to access any computer of a department or agency of the United States, …"
Even this is a stretch as Wikileaks did not perpetrate the crime and does not seem to even have purchased the information. I am not sure if induced is good enough even if it were true. Needless to say finding any proof of any of this is a problem.
Assange is not a Journalist, whatever that is. Journalist is an archaic term but according to various dictionaries a Journalist does Journalism which 'is the collection and editing of news for presentation through the media'. Sounds like Assange is in the collections department. Although if you consider Wikileaks to have a very limited subscriber base of a handful of news organizations then he also edits and presents it. Many organizations have data products that have a very small subscriber base.
I suggest all future commentary by anyone anywhere for any organization include the actual language of the laws in violation, or an admission that the language of the laws do not matter, and that Assange guy should be in jail because he should be.
Eric Siverson
December 27th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
Correction Israel did not attack Lebanon , only Hezbollah a terrorist organization operating in Lebanon was attacked , evreything else was accidental colladeral damage .Obviously if these Leaks are true the Lebonese defense minister was not in favor of the Hezbollah terrorists either . You know they are funded and Supported by anther country , so they do not truley represent Lebanon . Even Chinia and the United States has Islamic terrorists on Jihad in foreign countries . We are not neccessary in favor of our american terrorists either . Chinia will not even accept them back into thier country again alive . Suadia Arabia has arrest warrants out for thier AlQaidia terrorists . So you understand evreything is not always so easy and nice and clear on the terrorist side either always .
Eric Siverson
December 27th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
You should check and see if any of the Wilileaks victims have contributed to either of our criminal political parties . . hah ! maybe the victims have already been shaken down with blackmail , goverenment blackmail .
Jon
December 28th, 2010 at 8:51 am
To Doug in Indiana….Thanks for clearing that issue up Doug. I had confused the two Lind's. Sorry about that. I'm happy to learn that it was NOT William Lind. I learned a lot from his articles regarding 4th GW. Again, thanks Doug.
Anonymous
December 28th, 2010 at 8:54 am
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TruthinessAdvocate
December 28th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Agreed, the paradigm you describe is undeniably true. Yet this seems especially frustrating within the context of antiwar.com, Justin's columns and his stated desire to bridge the gap between those of differing ideologies for a common purpose. I expect The Stupid (TM) to appear in full flower when watching network news or reading Time Magazine, but at antiwar.com?
TruthinessAdvocate
December 28th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Justin is so obviously bright, so clearly earnest in his desire to create a peaceful world, that I'm baffled as to why he appears to be so unwilling reassess his opinions. He has no commercial motive, much as the mainstream media does, to appease business. So why does he consistently choose to feed his ego by reinforcing his incorrect theses and opinions in favor of fulfilling this website's stated purpose? Yes, well put – absense of alternative is the curse of our times. I've made the effort to search for alternatives, in part by seeking out sites like antiwar.com and what I've found is more of the deulsional bass-ackwards conventional wisdom the rest of the media industrail complex shoves down my throat, epitomized here in Justin's columns. I've tuned in, turned on… nothing really left to do, really, except drop out. The dream for peace (or even a sustainable future) is simply over. Nothing left to do but try to enjoy watching everything good, decent and compassionate swirl down the drain of greed and avarice and maybe apologize to the children whose futures we've so irreparably screwed up. Happy holidays, everyone!
bozh
December 28th, 2010 at 10:45 am
nobody wants to be insulted. wikilleaks had 'insulted' ?all columnists, editors, experts, clergy, politocos, teachers, cia-fbi-police-army echelons, u.s constitution, flag, schooling, starry 'stars', judges, et al.
thus their rage that anyone wld dare leak anything that tells the truth about them. that is why they want assange wracked up in order that he does a galileo: yes, yes, i am lying!
however, nato-u.s or u.s ship wld not even yaw– wikileaks or no wikileaks! also spricht bozhidarevski from illyricum and not deutschland! as to where illyria is, it doesn't matter! fala!
Guest
December 28th, 2010 at 11:39 am
Good one, Justin.
It might be interesting to challenge wikicritics to stop talking in generalisms about state secrets, and identify a specific cable they think should have been kept secret, and why. It might be amusing to see them defend lies for the purpose of getting into war, etc.
I have to admit I haven't gone through the cables myself, though, to see if this would be a fruitful tactic.
Guest
December 28th, 2010 at 11:54 am
The other problem with Jojo's thesis is that it posits that the very tool exposing the mendacity of the US Government, the leaked cables, is allegedly used to convince people that the same US Government is needed to ensure the reliability of information on the Internet. This makes no sense. On the contrary, this event will generate political pressure for the government to keep its hands off the only channel people have for reliable information.
Hacklheber
December 28th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
> Assange is not a Journalist, whatever that is.
But I say different.
Who wins?
Hacklheber
December 28th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
"Socialists" are not enemies of the state. They are enemies of the state that has not the "socialist" label on it. What do they want to do? Pass laws that make for a "just" society. How do they want to do it? By grabbing power and sicking police forces on unbelievers.
Fascists and socialists (excluding the red-camelot dreamy kind that is well-meaning but hasn't thought things through a lot) are only different insofar as the former are insecure enough to sport death's head logos on uniforms. At least the german kind. The italian kind is somewhat mellower.
jackbootstate
December 28th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
Wow. I mean what else can you say about somebody who uses Debs to defend his defact pro-Espionage Act position. Lind claims ideological kinship with a prominent victim of the Espionage Act. This is why I like Wikileaks so much. It's bringing out the pro Warfare State loyalties of just about everybody in the punditocracy.
TrueSeeker
December 29th, 2010 at 1:43 am
The religion of the Elites? Secrecy…
It's the only way they can have discreet and honest conversations!
TrueSeeker
December 29th, 2010 at 1:58 am
Perhaps in some mad-dash effort to recover the economy, Obama will allow Americans to take each other to court over their difference of opinions.
With 66.6% of all the laywers on earth within your porous borders that's an awful lot of Chinese 'junk' that won't get bought because of a new boom in the legal service industry.
(Please take these comments in the light-hearted, satirical British way in which they were intended)