A ‘Sustainable’ Empire?
Cutting the military budget: the debate begins
If only people were chaining themselves to the White House fence to protest our outrageously extravagant military budget instead of demanding the right to join the armed forces of a country that spends more on “defense” than all other nations of the world combined.
Ah well. We live in a highly imperfect world, a Bizarro World where up is down, morality is turned on its head, and common sense has fled. Oh, but there are certain compensations: we may be low on morality, but we’re high on technology. We have devices that can measure our madness down to the tenth percentile, such as this handy dandy interactive calculator published by the New York Times which challenges readers to balance the federal budget themselves.
This being the New York Times, the biases of the Establishment permeate the options we are presented with. For example, the very first option is cutting our $17 billion “foreign aid” budget – except that US outlays to foreign governments are far greater than that mere pittance.
To get the real number, try multiplying that $17 billion by 100. The Times‘ figure doesn’t cover, say, aid to Pakistan, or the maintenance of US military bases abroad (which are subsidies to those governments, as well as our own military contractors and exporters).
Is the tremendous cost of propping up the Afghan “government” categorized as “foreign aid”? Of course not, that goes under the rubric of the Defense Department and dozens of other US government agencies. And the Times’ estimate of the costs of foreign aid don’t take into account the covert money pipeline stretching out from Washington to points all across the world: bribes, secret slush funds, black market funding funneled into black ops – not to mention the costs of training and equipping the administrative bureaucracy to maintain our far-flung colonies and protectorates, both at home and abroad. The multiple bureaucratic fiefdoms, mostly created during the cold war, which administer our foreign aid program – USAID, various Development Banks, propaganda outfits like Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, and special interest projects like the trans-Caspian “Great Silk Road” oil pipeline project, etc. – are themselves a drain on the public treasury that could be easily eliminated.
In addition, there are special cases, i.e. aid to Israel, the single biggest item in the official foreign aid budget. Unlike other countries feeding off the US gravy train, which get earmarked funds in quarterly installments, the Israelis get their loot all at once, and can spend it as they please, i.e. on subsidizing domestic industries instead of buying weapons from, say, the US (which is usually a condition of aid to the rest of our clients). When these factors are calculated into the equation, it’s clear the usual estimates of $3.5 billion a year, give or take a billion, are considerably underestimated.
Another option in the calculus of the Times‘ budget reduction equation is to “Reduce military to pre-Iraq War size and further reduce troops in Asia and Europe,” a proposition embedded in a whole host of interventionist assumptions. One is that the size of the military before we foolishly invaded Iraq (and Afghanistan) wasn’t already bloated beyond any legitimate need for defending the continental United States. In any case, we are told that
“This option, according to the bipartisan Sustainable Defense Task Force, ‘would cap routine U.S. military presence in Europe and Asia at 100,000 personnel, which is 26 percent below the current level and 33 percent below the level planned for the future. All told, 50,000 personnel would be withdrawn.’ The option would also reduce the standing size of the military as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan wind down.”
Why do we need 100,000 troops in Europe – is Russia, an economic basket case whose population is rapidly shrinking, getting ready to invade Poland, annex Finland, and rebuild the Berlin Wall? As for the alleged “winding down” of the Iraq and Afghan wars, dream on, my friends, dream on….
We don’t need to station a single American soldier in Europe. Why should American taxpayers subsidize the “defense” of rich Western industrialized nations that aren’t under threat of conventional military attack in the first place?
I’ll tell you why: to subsidize the American military-industrial complex, which profits from the ever-expanding US empire – at taxpayers’ expense.
This “sustainable” military budget – which would supposedly cut $25 billion in 2015 and $49 billion in 2030– wants to sustain the empire on the cheap. But America’s imperial delusions are the cause of her current predicament, and the very hubris that makes the Establishment blind to this reality is the core of the problem. Until and unless we give up the idea that we are the world’s policeman, we cannot and will not save ourselves from imminent bankruptcy.
Reducing our spending on the expansion of our nuclear arsenal – which already is large enough and deadly enough to kill every living thing on earth several times over – would also save us a pretty penny ($19 billion and $38 billion, in 2015 and 2030 respectively). But the paltry proposal described by the Times, which still operates within the defunct cold war paradigm, envisions merely reducing the number of nuclear weapons to 1,050, from 1,968, and making other relatively minor adjustments – relative, that is, to revising our strategic assumptions about the nature of war and the requirements of American national security in the twenty-first century.
Without challenging the central assumptions of cold war era nuclear strategy – the likelihood of a nuclear showdown between either the US and the Russians, or with some other nuclear-armed adversary on a par with us – we will never achieve true military and economic security. As the great Old Right polemicist Garet Garrett put it, “there is no security at the top of the world” – and the loss of our economic security is now and always has been the key to understanding why our global empire is America’s Achilles heel. If the Republicans are serious about cutting waste in our misnamed “defense” budget, they’ll approve the START treaty proposed by President Ronald Reagan, and start eliminating weapons that pose a deadly danger in a world where terrorism and not the Kremlin poses the main threat to our security. The less these radioactive monsters are laying around, the safer we’ll all be.
A proposal to reduce the battle fleet of our navy from 285 to 235 would save $19 billion and $24 billion in 2015 and 2030 respectively. Here, again, the globalist paradigm – which compels us to establish military commands for every section of the world, divvying up the world into provinces to be watched over by our armed forces – remains intact. This latter-day version of the Spanish Armada exists to project American power all over the world – that was the creed of the first American imperialists, Teddy Roosevelt and the adherents of Alfred Thayer Mahan, whose book, The Influence of Sea Power Upon History, was the bible of the expansionist faction at the turn of the twentieth century. Once we reject the idea of military expansionism, and refocus our foreign policy on the defense of America and legitimate American interests, the importance of sea power is translated into the primacy of commercial sea power.
No, we can do better than this – much better. Get rid of the regional commands: reorient our defense policy into one that puts America first, not the security of Japan or the territorial integrity of some godforsaken sheikdom.
Another option, canceling or delaying new weapons projects – i.e. cutting pork barrel projects that not even the Pentagon wants – is a good idea, but no one really disagrees with this, and it’s only the beginning: $20 billion or so.
The biggest joke of all – if your sense of humor is on the ghoulish side – is the idea that we’re going to reduce the number of troops on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan to 30,000 by 2013. Presented as a valid factor to be included in our budget calculation, the fulfillment of this long-promised pledge by President Obama will save a whopping $86 billion and $169 billion in 2015 and 2030 respectively. There’s just one problem: it’s already been vetoed by the Obama administration, which is now telling us no troop drawdown in Afghanistan before 2014, and the troop reductions in Iraq are a) made up for by the increase in private contractors, and b) already delayed.
Reducing the number of troops in those two theaters to 60,000 by 2015 will save another huge chunk: $51 billion and $149 billion. Unfortunately, the prospect of this happening – given the Obama administration’s current stance, and the globalist precepts at the core of our strategic vision – is near to nil.
Okay, so if we accept these cuts at face value, and ignore the politics involved, what do we come up with? In 2015, we cut the budget shortfall by $185 billion – almost by half. In 2030, it’s $315 billion. Still not enough – but it’s a start, and perhaps even politically possible. That is, if some Republicans will start applying their deficit hawkishness to their own party’s free-spending foreign policy hawks. Because no hawk can fly very far or very fast if it’s got the albatross of a huge national debt hung ’round its neck.
The problem isn’t “waste” in defense spending, it isn’t the corruption of foreign governments (and our own), and it isn’t pork barrel politics – although all of these are indeed problematic. The aforementioned are just spokes in a wheel whose central mechanism is our grandiose foreign policy of global intervention. Empire is a luxury we can no longer afford. When Americans wake up to that fact – and they are showing signs of doing so – we will have some hope. Until then, dark days lie ahead.
NOTES IN THE MARGIN
I made it back from the 2010 Antiwar.com Autumn/Winter Tour in one piece, but just barely. While my trip wasn’t by any means a “national” tour, I did manage to go to four different cities with a reasonably wide geographic span:
Ann Arbor, Michigan – This, as you know, is a college town, once a bastion of the antiwar movement and now degenerated into a rather complacent and slightly decaying gentility. We had a bit over a hundred people, divided into libertarians, many of whom traveled from afar (one from Canada), Green Party activists, and former SDSers from the old days. I had expected, probably naively, more of a turnout from the traditional left, but no. The event was held on campus, and co-sponsored by the Campaign for Liberty. I spoke for 40 minutes, and there was a lively question and answer period.
Thousand Oaks, CA – This event was sponsored and organized by Steve Woskow, one of our supporters and a really great guy. He and his lovely wife put a lot of work into organizing it – even finding me a room for the night that allows smoking! What more could I ask for, right? Well, the event itself was great: a little less than 60 people showed up at a local college, the Lutheran University, and this was a mostly libertarian affair: Sharing the podium with Brian Doherty – an editor at Reason magazine and author of Radicals for Capitalism, a comprehensive (and excellent) history of the modern libertarian movement – I gave an extensive talk on the history of the anti-interventionist movement in America.
Danbury, Connecticut – This event, organized by the heroic Richard S. Land and the Ridgefield Liberty Coop, was a rousing success – over 120 people, mostly non-aligned students, and garnered a bit of publicity. The event was held at Western Connecticut State University. I spoke for an hour. Controversy erupted when the student veterans’ group raised a ruckus because my widely-publicized talk was scheduled one day before veterans’ day! I have to admit, this was not anticipated by the organizers or myself. The vets attended, in uniform, and one young lady in fatigues got up and read a poem all about how our rights to free speech and free assembly depend on soldiers doing their duty and defending the nation against the threat of a foreign-imposed tyranny. I answered her by pointing out that the exercise of those rights is a tribute rather than an insult to those serving in uniform, and went on to elaborate that an army engaged in wars of aggression is very different from a military whose function is to defend the nation: it is the difference between a soldier in the Continental Army and a Roman centurion. In any case, a useful discussion was had after my talk, particularly with one intelligent young man in uniform who had served in Iraq and wanted to know why, if rights are universal, we don’t have an obligation to defend them in Iraq. Boy, what that ever a good conversation! And we all parted friends. The turnout was impressive, I thought: after all, it was a Wednesday, in Danbury, a small town, on a freezing cold night.
Boston – This was a great success, too, I thought – a good crowd, all of whom were brought in either by leafleting by the wonderful organizers of the event – Prof. John Walsh, and Doug Fuda – which was sponsored by the Boston chapter of ComeHomeAmerica.org, the new left-right anti-interventionist coalition. Around 100 people crowded into the basement of the wonderful old church in downtown Boston where the meeting was held. People came from all over, some as far away as New Hampshire, and all in all it was a very eager, interested crowd: here we have the makings of a movement (ditto in Danbury). I spoke for an hour and twenty minutes, criticizing the Obama administration and its leftist acolytes, giving a wide-ranging historical account of the development of anti-interventionism on the right as well as the left, and ending with a call for a single issue movement. The question and answer period was lively, to say the least, with one representative of the remnants of United for Peace and Justice, a group that I singled out for criticism, taking me to task for being “divisive.” This was effectively countered by John Walsh, who pointed out that several approaches had been made to UfJP to little avail, and non-leftist speakers were banned at their events. Other audience members agreed, and this led to a debate over including issues like “global warming” – which Green Party types brought up – and I made the point that there is a difference between founding an effective coalition that wants to achieve a specific goal – say, ending a war – and founding a political party. It was heartwarming, I have to say, to get a question about Murray Rothbard’s classic book, Wall Street, Banks, and American Foreign Policy – that moment was truly the high point of my tour.
Okay, well, that’s it, as far as the tour goes: I came back with a really bad case of what seemed like pneumonia – I’m sure I got it on an Amtrak train – but luckily it didn’t strike until after the tour was over. Whew! I’m now recovering, rather quickly, and just in time to urge you to please donate to our winter fundraising drive. We put out a lot of money to fund this tour, and a lot of energy, too, but it was well worth it: because we’re not just a web site, at least not anymore. We’re working to build a real grassroots antiwar movement from the bottom up. I’ll have a lot of exciting news to report on that front in the coming months: there’s big things in the works. ComeHomeAmerica.us is a part of it, and we’ll be working with them very closely. I just want to say, however, that none of this will happen if we don’t make our new fundraising goal of $100,000 – indeed, at the present rate, we’ll have to make big cutbacks, never mind taking a new activist turn.
So please – this tour was a wonderful premonition of what could be, on a larger scale, a real force to contend with. But we can’t do it without your support. Give today.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- BS in Baghdad – May 24th, 2012
- Interventionism and the Elites – May 22nd, 2012
- Obama or Anarchy? – May 20th, 2012
- What Does Ron Paul Want? – May 17th, 2012
- Hillary’s Terrorists – May 15th, 2012





andy
November 16th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
No empire is sustainable Justin. Not in the long run. History shows that every empire eventually collapses.
pwi
November 17th, 2010 at 3:28 am
So the fundraising pledge page is now an assault on the Republican Party as the "War" party. The Democrats defeated were pacifists, I guess but just didn't vote that way? I guess when cruch time comes some a 9-11 inside job page then a anti-Zionist page will show up.
The American empire will probably crumble at some point and like some empires it might be with a wimper rather than a bang. If its a bang we may all regret its collapse more that we thought we would.
GradyWilson
November 17th, 2010 at 3:47 am
"Empire is a luxury we can no longer afford."
Indeed but with the Supreme Court's Citizens United ruling there will be no anti-empire candidates who can compete with the unlimited campaign contributions from the capitalist war profiteers. These capitalists don't care whether 'we' can afford it or not. They, like Erik Prince (formerly of Blackwater), now living in Abu Dhabi, can live anywhere they want and no longer need the US, just its military, which is why they don't care about infrastructure, education, unemployment, or providing a safety net (socialism!) for the people any more. And as long as they can get pundits (both mainstream and 'anti-war') to pimp for the US military worshiping tea partiers – their beloved military spending is secure. They'll end public schools, Social Security, libraries, etc while expanding bases all over the world, bankrupting the country as conservatives talk about American exceptionalism while speaking vaguely about wanting to 'get back' to some era (which does not exist) of a more humble foreign policy.
Xeres
November 17th, 2010 at 4:08 am
It is China that is the power in this world today and China is slowly,but steadily boxing America in.They have demonstrated,not once but twice,that they have the capability of sinking America's carrier task forces,of taking out the spy satellites of any country and have at least one nuclear submarine launching platform capable of lobbing missiles into America's interior while sitting of the U.S. coasts.It's defence budget is about one quarter of the U.S.'s but in military muscle,at least equal to the U.S. and little of it is funded by debt.It is strictly a cash deal.China's economy is so strong that the West risks the collapse of their own economies should they try to squeeze China economically and China's ambassador's and foreign service are low key but highly effective at sealing trade deals with almost any country that seeks trade with Her.It's influence in South America,Africa and the Middle East grow greater every year.China is one of the key factors,seldom,if ever mentioned,for the decline of Japan and one should not doubt that there are many people in Japan who now view China as a much more natural ally then they do the United States.But most importantly,given the state and thrust of American foreign policy and of America's degraded economy,there is little that the United States can do to counter China's advance in the world.
emsnews
November 17th, 2010 at 4:59 am
The Japanese have a very prickly relationship with China. Has a great deal to do with Japan never paying a penny in reparations to China for the millions of WWII crimes. I track the Chinese/Japanese diplomatic relations for years and China wants to pull Japan out of the US orb but Japan decided last month to use our military to wrangle with China AND Russia over various islands.
Justin, a word here: we are very aware that you have spent much of the last election cycle attacking the left nearly nonstop and many of these attacks were quite personal and often vicious. The paltry size of your crowds was due mainly to your own hostility, not coming from us. I wish you would turn your ire and fire on the real targets and cease these attacks but then, it is too late. The election is over and you got what you wanted.
John V. Walsh
November 17th, 2010 at 5:46 am
That attack on Justin is just plain silly. Justin has been a very consistent critic of Republican AND Democrat wars. A big contrast to the The Nation, Michael Moore, etc. And in fact the turnout for Justin's event in Boston was quite good, better in fact than other antiwar activities held that week in MA which had many more resources than the ones ComeHomeAmerica can draw on right now. So for this first venture, it was in fact quite good.
John V.Walsh
John V. Walsh
November 17th, 2010 at 5:54 am
I agree China is key. But China has to bring 1.5 billion people up to the standards of the West which means an increase in per capita GDP of approximately ten-fold. So China would like to minimize its military outlay – and would do so even more if the US would stop trying to encircle and "contain" it.
Moreover,unlike European civilization, Chinese civilization has no history of overseas conquest even though at the time of Columbus it did considerable exploration with a more advanced technology than that of the West. But it took no slaves and established no colonies. And unlike Europe, China has never had monotheism, in fact no guy in the sky at all and no missionaries or Crusades. And that godless China is not just post-Mao; it goes back thousands of years.
So China has no history of expansionism beyond its Asian land borders established millenia ago. And it seeks a "peaceful" rising. We might take that seriously and try to engage in a win-win situation rather than insisting on Western hegemony of which the people of the world have had quite enough, thank you.
John V. Walsh
bogi666
November 17th, 2010 at 6:01 am
While I don't agree with your irrational fear of China it is interesting to note that the Chinese have engaged with some of the Indian nation tribes, of the USA, because thy can finance projects with them because they are sovereign.
bozh
November 17th, 2010 at 6:06 am
if pleading with or nagging at mafia wld do any good, pleading, begging, nagging wld be ok.
alas, facts prove that the more we nag and complain, the more it stays the same or get's worse.
about "foolishly invading iraq"? i propose that the invasion had been a brilliant 'success' for at least 30 mn americans.
and 99% of americans just voted to continue occupation-puppetization of and raids on iraq! what? iraq occupation wasn't on platform? thus, it is not true they voted to continue being there!
so, they only voted for people who'l make sure that occupation continues and that they get smthing out of iraq for that.
bogi666
November 17th, 2010 at 6:07 am
By far your best article ever, Justin. When you're on you're incomparable. Actually the best strategy for Obomber would be to submit a balanced budget to congress. First, the shock of doing so would be so shocking that the Repubican house wouldn't be coherent, they would be mumbling incoherently and the American public would enjoy a spectacle beyond imagination.He's a lame duck President anyway, so he's got nothing to lose.
GradyWilson
November 17th, 2010 at 7:13 am
The poster's criticisms of Justin are not "just plain silly'. Justin was indeed openly campaigning for Republicans this election cycle – using many columns to pimp the Tea Party (Republicans) – pretending that they represent some fictitious "return" to non-intervention on the right. Remember the California Lutheran speech before the election?
Raimondo: " the Old Right is rising while a liberal Democratic President is waging three wars … we are beginning to see the rise of an ugly form of left-wing nationalism …. We are also seeing an effort to translate.. support for feminism, gay rights, etc. – into support for the wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan …..conservatives are beginning to question the assumptions and premises of global interventionism …. The neoconservative agenda is being called into question …… Defense cuts are on the table, and so is the foreign policy that requires outrageous expenditures on the military …… and I am very gratified to see that we are finally seeing some results. "
All f'ing lies – this was a blatant 'get out the vote' effort to rally Republican voters by Justin.
pwi
November 17th, 2010 at 7:34 am
Again I ask were the Democrats in power pacifists and anti-war? If they were they sure had a funny way of showing it. And Justin was not needed to rally either republican voters or anti-democratic voters…Obama did just fine in that regard.
GradyWilson
November 17th, 2010 at 7:58 am
Here's how Dems showed their anti-war cred – 102 Democrats voted (against their pathetic Pres) to NOT fund the wars. That's not a funny way is it? That's real.
What's funny is pretending (as Raimondo deceitfully does) that the GOP who helped the warmongering Pres fund the wars (only 12 voted against) is "beginning to question the assumptions and premises of global interventionism". Actually its not funny at all. Its pathetic.
JLS
November 17th, 2010 at 8:05 am
The American empire is different from any other empire in history as far as I know. Empires historically have exploited their colonies for tribute in order to enrich the homeland. America by contrast exploits it's citizens at home to extend and maintain their military presence and influence abroad.
And you're right Justin, end foreign aid! It is the lifeblood of the empire. End the foreign aid bribe and you end the empire. Why does Pakistan allow the US government to execute their citizens without judge, jury or conviction? Because the US government gives them billions in foreign aid? it's the same all over the globe-if you take America's bribe then Washington is your master, if you refuse America's bribe then the US press villifies you as an enemy. America makes offers you can't refuse.
Aunt Esther
November 17th, 2010 at 8:32 am
Grady Wilson, you fish-eyed fool, we get it – you don't like "conservatives". Popping up here like a jerk in the box is predictable bullshit; still fighting Reagan's ghost and bashing Justin for trying to reach out to the socio-economic illiterate "progressives", who evidently don't give a damn about murdering innocents abroad as long as the welfare check is in the box every month. How about showing us some links to some "progressive" anti-war sites? Didn't think so.
Justin Raimondo
November 17th, 2010 at 9:12 am
Me campaigning for Republican candidates? What candidates, specifically, and when? Please provide links, names, dates, Grady old boy. In fact, what I campaigned for, and continue to campaign for, is reaching out to self-perceived conservatives and moderates, as well as those on the left, to join a united front effort to end our foreign policy of global intervention. We now have elected Republicans, such as Rand Paul and Mike Coburn in the Senate, openly calling for cuts in the military budget. Is this bad?
I might add that I have been harder on Rand Paul than any single candidate this election season — too hard, as it turned out. But in Grady's World, which often seems right next door to Bizarro World, anybody who doesn't take his Marx straight is not worth considering. An archaic prejudice which is too often not so much quaint as it is obnoxiously repetitive, but, then again, the comments section wouldn't be quite complete without Old Grady hurilng imprecations. Keep it up, Grady!
Aunt Esther
November 17th, 2010 at 10:47 am
Thanks for sticking it back to this twerp. I know one isn't supposed to feed the trolls, but I couldn't help myself after reading his second post (His first was surprisingly civil – must not have had his coffee by then). In frustration I was reduced to name-calling and purse-swinging. Your patience and professionalism will carry the argument further than these one-note scolds can reach. Ha, Glory!
RickR30
November 17th, 2010 at 10:54 am
I agree that China is and will be even more so an issue in the future. But we also have to remember that whatever China can and will do is also our fault. It's thanks to globalism that they are were they are. Had not our sick corporate globalists closed all our factories and shipped them to China, things would be different. If China were to become a problem, it is easily solved: no more Chinese imports.
Once the US empire declines, someone else will take that role. There will be no power vacuum. China is a good candidate for the next empire. All it takes is a different leader and things can change very quickly for the worst.
RickR30
November 17th, 2010 at 10:59 am
Great point. Colonists got something out of their colonies and surely didn't pump as much money into them as we do. I'm sure the inbred globalists will say that we are so superior to other colonists/empires because we don't keep that practice. In turn we just kill innocent wedding participants and offer the opportunity for criminals in choppers to delight in playing Call Of Duty live.
RickR30
November 17th, 2010 at 11:12 am
Great article. I too would end all foreign aid to all countries except those on the American continent. israel shouldn't get a single penny until they learn to treat Palestinians as fellow human beings.
Also, close all foreign bases except those that aid in fighting drugs. Then we can use some of those savings to ensure not a single foreigner strolls illegally across our borders and to stop all the drugs from entering our country. That would be true national security as opposed to turning us into nude models for TSA creeps.
JLS
November 17th, 2010 at 11:17 am
"The resources of the Russian Republic was used to support the other Republics. This is the USG model, the resources of the USA is being sent to the colonies, over 1,000 outposts around the world which are protecting the worldwide assets of the WEALTHY PREDATORY CAPITALIST WELFARE KINGS."
Great point! I never even thought of the Soviet comparison but I think you are spot on!
JLS
November 17th, 2010 at 11:19 am
"israel shouldn't get a single penny until they learn to treat Palestinians as fellow human beings."
I would go farther than that. Israel shouldn't get a single penny no matter how they treat anybody. Our government should never give away our money to any other country for any reason. The Americans are a generous people and would glady help out people in a disaster situation but no foreign aid period!
andy
November 17th, 2010 at 11:27 am
China is boxing America in? Are there Chinese troops deployed in Mexico and Canada like America keeps troops in Japan, Okinawa and the Korean peninsula? Are the Catalina islands under the control of a hostile foreign government that China is supplying with weapons like we do with Taiwan? If America had a balanced and reasoned foreign policy it would have no trouble with China. The Pacific ocean ensures that.
andy
November 17th, 2010 at 11:28 am
I agree 100%.
JLS
November 17th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Great post!
Greg
November 17th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Perhaps that prior to this, the power mongers needed a reason to sell to the populace to finance their wars for power and glory. Gaining financial advantage was the best way to do this. Times have changed, and now those who wish simply to dominate the globe don't need that excuse. They can serve it up as a combination of national defense and liberating the poor people of the world (while only killing a few million here or there in the process).
GradyWilson
November 17th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
"obnoxiously repetitive" is exactly how I view you and your constant big lie – that the Republicans are going to "get back" to a non-interventionist foreign policy – which never existed. You can talk about Taft and Paul all you want but you know that they represent a very, very small and non influential minority in their respective eras. Bizzarro World is you pretending that a Republican non-interventionist foreign policy existed when the facts are right there for us all to see – Republicans from Lincoln to Bush have been all about militant imperialism in the service of capitalism.
The quotes I offered of your California Lutheran speech days before the election seems a rather glaring endorsement to vote Republican. No you did not utter the words "vote Republican" but the implication is rather obvious.
ps – I'm not an 'old boy'.
pwi
November 17th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
Every US Political party has had its "warriors" and the Dems are not waging war in the service of capitalism?
McKinley R – spanish american war
Wilson D – World War 1
FDR D – WW2
Truman D – Korea
Kennedy/Johnson D's – Vietnam
Bush R- Panama/Gulf War 1
Bush R- Iraq/Afghanistan
Obama D – Iraq/Afghanistan/Pakistan?
And I suppose both D's and R's and Whigs and Federalists waged wars against Native Americans
I'm not even counting Reagan or Clinton who had both military "adventures" just short of war.
I guess the Republicans are worse or maybe not at least you know what you have with them.
pwi
November 17th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
102 is good but not good enough and the war funding goes on!
andy
November 17th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
Justin has nothing to apologize for.
andy
November 17th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
The "war on drugs" is as misguided and futile as the "war on alcohol" (prohibition) was before it.
Strider55
November 17th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
The same principle applies on the domestic front. Any city, county, state or school district becomes Washington's slave the minute it accepts one cent of federal loot. Schools, for example, are forced under the No Child Left Behind Act to give students' personal data to military recruiters on demand, or they lose all NCLB funding. Now imagine a state refusing that money in order to protect its kids. The MSM smear machine would instantly kick into overdrive, calling the legislature extremist, un-American, unpatriotic, and of course (at least twice in every paragraph) racist.
liberranter
November 17th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
I haven't responded to any of your misguided posts up until now because 1) I don't usually waste time feeding trolls who clearly can't grasp simple concepts in reality, and 2) to politely paraphrase Confucius, the only person who bothers to argue with terminal ignorance is someone of even more abysmal ignorance. What I'm referring to here is your labeling of the Republican Establishment and its warmongering fascists as "Capitalists" when they are NOTHING OF THE SORT. You're hardly alone in perpetuating this inexcusable fallacy, but you are certainly among the most persistent at it.
I know I'm wasting my time, but for Grady's benefit, and the benefit of any other deluded Marxist relics that care to take notice, here is a corrective fact:
What you consistently and wrongly refer to as "capitalism" is NOT, AND NEVER HAS BEEN capitalism. It is STATE-CORPORATISM (sometimes mislabeled "crony capitalism," even though "capitalism" has nothing whatsoever to do with it). Capitalism is the use of one's own private resources of money, material, and hired labor –all collectively referred to as "capital"– to produce goods or services that WILLING buyers WILLINGLY AND VOLUNTARILY pay for with THEIR OWN money. State-corporatism, on the other hand, is the co-opting of the resources and force of the State by individuals endowed with some combination of money, power, and influence to use the MACHINERY OF STATE to confer upon themselves a monopoly right to a certain segment of the economy, backed by the force of the State, to use the State to manipulate markets in their favor at the expense of others without similar influence and power, and to deprive others of economic liberty, opportunity, and property through State intervention (think: business taxation, zoning, licensing, and regulation – all meant to keep "little guy" entrepreneurs from challenging the "big boys" and delivering better, cheaper goods and services to willing customers).
Apologies for the bold print. It just seems that sometimes you can't get dense people's attention any other way.
Grady, "capitalism" does not now exist in the United States, nor has it existed for over a century and a half, if ever in the nation's history. "State-corporatism" is, and at least since the Progressive Era has been, the order of the day. It is a force that HINDERS AND ULTIMATELY DESTROYS true free-market capitalism. That's why no sane entrepreneur is even considering establishing a going, growing concern in the United Fascialist State of Amerika today. If he does, he's going to do it as part of the emerging underground economy. Otherwise, to cooperate with the State and its out-of-control licensing and regulatory schemes will ensure that he will be crushed and bled dry by the parasitic, bureaucratic State operating at the behest of its State-corporatist monopoly puppeteers.
That's my simple economics lesson for you in a nutshell. Time wasted, at least where you're concerned, but maybe, just maybe, some other deluded Marxist relic with at least a partially functioning cerebrum will see some light.
jack toads
November 17th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
back to a defense first posture/attitude,(the anti adventure expeditionary force/movement-hatching,incubating)-?what's so interventionist about a resource greed grab clutching and gasping languishing offense in the vacum gap highland silk-n-spice roads,HOLD the saltPLEASE,"phishing,mining,hunting for data under tortured manufactures,making it up in a free fyre zone as merrily along the dogs of horror do go,if,even if every thing about peak (easy-action,middle east) oil is _ = blank, true/false , , ,also did any one check the color of those "baggers' jackets?red,blue,black brown, grey, white,who speaks for those latest arrivals (and what difference does fashion make) to the event sometimes called the government , beauracracy rides in the back after the riot act is done being red aloud,,,very,,, progressive indeed,at least if under44.4%,carry the five Y digatally i'd assume,the better to progress about,in the minority,horde,mob rules,motions and articles rotten corrupted decayed and leaking trust aka CONfidauince`its gonna take some kinda non capitalist,un-subverted team effort or werks on this/these thats my pre-dict ,possibly the spirit of 76,slander that traitor/patriot un commercially comprimised foolszzzz,,,possibly even the devils' rejects them/thare elses&selves ,non partisain independent one constitution at a tyme,all the way baby 2112, PS by the way I voted for nader AGAIN lately,in an election far far away,har,who cares if he was mia
liberranter
November 17th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
You took the words right off my fingers. Thanks! The WoD is just as destructive to our economy and liberties as the WoT, or any other war for preservation of Empire.
jack toads
November 17th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
all guesses are really just rough estamites,like the3 trillion the oreint is up on chips,or the aproxamite 3 trill the ink is not the right color yet,or the probably just about THREE trill/ION the corperite industrial academic watershed particle remanent clique treasured reserves and un-insured losses apearintly went spreadsheet excel BLINK,blank,_=? (hint it starts with a b and rhymns)With What or , or Were lOOking "4" a double UU Word or (P)(C)(R)(T) etc,inf,gd,etc,just evaporated or re-invented what we as society culture combine to call civil eye nation creed or federation again,etc,ha
GradyWilson
November 17th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
"I haven't responded to any of your misguided posts up until now because ……. "
but you HAVE responded to many of my posts ranter – in the same stereotypical libertarian self righteous and unjustly condescending ad hominid manner. You are the ones living in a f'ing Bizzaro World which denies that the US empire has been and is all about capitalism. By your definition of course a Hayek/vonMises "true free market" does not exist and it never will as we all know since its only a f'ing theoretical concept to begin with. Only in Libertarian Bizzaro World are the richest capitalists in world history who control the US gov, foreign policy, media, the whole empire called socialists. That's how far right libertarians are.
I thought this was the place where anti-war Marxists and right wingers came together? Wasn't that the point of yesterdays fundraising page? Why am I being attacked simply for being anti-capitalist? I am, without apology.
Justin Raimondo
November 17th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
Yes, I didn't meant to imply that the Sustainable Defense Task Force isn't supporting cuts in the defense budget: quite the opposite is the case. And I think I made clear that their proposed cuts would be a start, but I think it's also necessary to point out that a serious effort to reduce the deficit will require more decisive measures, which are not now part of the Approved Washington Discourse, but must soon be if we are to avert financial ruin in the relatively short term.
I also think we can't really discuss "defense" cuts removed from the context of the two wars we're presently fighitng, and the general conducty of American foreign policy since 9/11. Anti-interventionists need to make the point, in conjunction with calling for cuts in the military budget, that what's required is a complete re-thinking of American foreign policy. Given the immediacy of the economic crisis, one can be either a deficit hawk, or a foreign policy hawk — but not both. The point is that we have to make Republicans choose.
RickR30
November 17th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
They would have a hard time convincing anyone that bases in Germany, etc. are for fighting drugs. I'm sure they would try tough. I was thinking more about the bases we had/have in South America. Not many of those left since they don't want us there anymore anyway. So we would end with a handful of bases in any case. There's a huge distinction between bases used for the fighting drugs as opposed to fighting humans. The first are always placed with the approval of the host country. They contain lots of equipment and few staff- certainly not armed soldiers out to kill the population of that country. The second may or may not have the approval of anyone and they house armed soldiers.
I don't think we're fighting a war on drugs. How can we when our own soldiers are protecting drug plantations in Afghanistan. So if we were fighting one, I do think we could be more effective than on these other "wars" that more than anything else are wars on the pocketbooks of the American people.
Mhstahl
November 17th, 2010 at 9:04 pm
Genghis Khan….
Tammerlane…..
Book burnings and burying scholars alive…..
Brutal and almost constant internal wars within the "empire"
Not that I disagree with your sentiment-just don't turn what has always been a place with a brutal government into some non-aggressive panacea, it is not so.
andy
November 17th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
"..they don't want us there anymore.."
Actaully they never did. They just didn't have the means to get rid of us. In any case if Americans want to take drugs somebody is going to sell them to us.
liberranter
November 17th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
I thought this was the place where anti-war Marxists and right wingers came together? Wasn't that the point of yesterdays fundraising page? Why am I being attacked simply for being anti-capitalist?
Hey, pal, you opened up that door the minute you first posted your economically-ignorant, historically baseless screed. Had you stuck to the anti-war issue, you wouldn't find yourself being made the fool of.
Kb's
November 18th, 2010 at 12:44 am
Either you are immensely stupid or you are just another hater.
GradyWilson
November 18th, 2010 at 3:56 am
I contend that its you who is the economically ignorant a-hole believing in the faith based economic system of "free market capitalism".
Notice that you, like Justin and the other free marketeers here, who ALWAYS resort to ad hominems and namecalling first to anyone who dares post any anti-capitalist views.
Justin pretends this site is about anti-capitalist Marxists and free market fascists coming together in the name of anti-war but Marxists apparently are only welcome for fundraising and not in the comment section.
Its you and your ilk who are absolutely historically ignorant in denying that the US history of military aggression is in the service of your beloved capitalism.
Joshua (ex-Israeli)
November 18th, 2010 at 5:12 am
I read that the unofficial aid to Israel is at least twice. Just for a couple of months of settlements freeze, the US is willing to pay Israel 7 Billions. I wonder what is amount of tax deducted donations to Israel – Most of the settlements were build by American donation, and so are universities, public buildings, etc. The total aid, I bet, is closer to 10 Billions (which is paid by the defense department, state department, and the rest, who knows, so it is hard to track it). Another forgotten factor is the interest we pay on the loans we take, and for the long term it might double the aid amount.
Thomas L. Knapp
November 18th, 2010 at 8:35 am
To whom it may concern:
We've had a couple of requests — interspersed with stuff like "I realize no one on staff bothers to read the comments, but …" — that comments from "Grady Wilson" be deleted.
Actually, AntiWar.Com staff does read the comments. What we don't do is ban commenters for disagreeing with AntiWar.Com staff. We try to police spam, and we don't put up with bona fide hate language, but there is no baseline sycophancy requirement.
Regards,
Tom Knapp
Wolfgang9
November 18th, 2010 at 8:49 am
I agree Bogi, this is a good article by Justin.
And I'm sorry that Grady can't see that and gets so involved emotionally.
This president, Obama, will not make it again, he has pissed off much too many.
What I'm concerned most was his big mouth promising "Change" and when he was in the
White House he just behaved like G.W. or even worse on the war front!
If the Democrrats are proud of such a guy, I don't know what they are looking for, I have much higher standards! And this is a anti-war website, Grady, and anti-war should be priority. And the Democrats with Obama have just lied on that and extended the war!!
W
wolfgang9
November 18th, 2010 at 9:02 am
Yes, you are right, Andy! Most German's want the US troops to leave.__Exceptions are some merchants and civil employees in Kaiserslautern, Heidelberg and the other bases. And probably another exception, the currently ruling German politicians, because they know very well that their days will be counted when the US leaves and they will have to move very, very fast to places like Abu Dhabi.__W
bozh
November 18th, 2010 at 9:52 am
facts r that '08, 99% of americans voted for the war party or if, one prefers, voted for the two prowar parties.
they did that just recently as well. if one be stupid for saying this, so be it!
and if i hate u.s constitution and u.s 'laws', root of all evil, i am only too happy to be called a hater.
However, i want to be clear on one issue: i do not blame pavlov's dog for salivating at the sound of bell and i don't blame joe for his jubilation at seeing u.s flag or hearing a prez swear an oath that he'd faithfully execute the will of the constitution.
in both instances conditioning has taken place; for a dog, for a few days; and for a human, for decades.
dogs cannot uncondition a dog. humans can decondition ?any conditioned human. that, and solely that, offers us hope!
we can see such decodintioning going on in switzerland; thus, to all supremacists such a phenomenon does not exist let alone need a study to learn how swiss are doing that.
note that swiss had not waged a war for 7oo yrs.
however, all cults and all inegalitarians wld strongly oppose deconditioning. because, of course it wld diminish their supremacism over lower classes of people.
and most of these supremacists just call names people or go off on petpeeving or expounding on thousands upon thousands of own personal ideologies.
yet all one needs to do is to uncondition people! god bless all children– devil bless u.s and its 'laws'! tnx
liberranter
November 18th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Notice that you, like Justin and the other free marketeers here, who ALWAYS resort to ad hominems and namecalling first to anyone who dares post any anti-capitalist views.
Pot, this is kettle.
Angela Keaton
November 18th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Grady,
You paid the till so post away. However, spare me the logic of UJP.
"For my part, I am not against all wars. I see war as a last resort but I defend the war against Hitler and the US civil war, for example, as necessary wars. " –rozziecole, UJP
And Pat Buchanan's the big scary monster? Just because the foot on my neck is wearing a Birkenstock, doesn't mean it's not a foot and it's not on my neck.
bozh
November 18th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
and supremacists often resurrect dead lenin, stalin, mao in order to reiterate how bad they were and thus 'communism' and in spite of the fact that we all are fascists; tho, each in herhis own way.
it matters not that there never existed communistic behavior since ca 12k yrs ago anywhere. communistic humans disappeared ca 12 k yrs ago; utterly destroyed by nobility-clergy.
even christians failed communism. they tried it briefly but nobody being communistic, the effort failed. supremacists also resurrect their presidents but for different reasons: one to tell us how good they were and the other, to show us how noble-good americanism was.
or they wld say: ok, ok! but do u want communism to rule u?
it is safe to say that because communism never ever existed nor ever will! such people are using either or structure of reasoning which never ever fits reality.
it works brilliantly for them. people are not onto this ruse. tnx
Aunt Esther
November 18th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
I'm sincerely sorry about the fish-eyed fool crack, Grady; I thought I was being humorous and the comment didn't appear after I published it so I didn't realize how stupid it was. I was pretty unhappy with the f'ing liar remark, but hey, Justin can take care of himself, so flame on…
Again, sorry.
Johnny in Wi.
November 18th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
I believe you are right. Much of the aid to Israel is hdden out of clear sight.
TheCrackshotCrackpot
November 26th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
Haha! Amtrak…