One of my readers, in the comments section below, wrote the following in response to my last column on Israel’s hijacking of the Gaza flotilla:
“Again I ask the question: What do the Israelis have on our politicians that makes them such whores? Dirty pictures? Threats of withholding campaign contributions? It’s really embarrassing as well as infuriating to see congress with its collective pants down around their legislative ankles just waiting for Israel to do it again.”
Not that there’s anything wrong with that …
Well, actually, there is a lot wrong with that, but, in any case, what’s the answer to this question? Again and again Israel has outraged the world, and even many of its most dedicated supporters, by its actions: multiple invasions of Lebanon, “incursions” into Gaza and the West Bank, the ever-expanding settlements, the vicious racism and tribalism that characterizes the present ultra-rightist government of Benjamin Netanyahu, which includes the openly racist and fascist party of the thuggish Avigdor Lieberman – the list of Israel’s sins is a long one, and that’s going back but a few years.
Even when the Israelis blew up a US Navy ship, the USS Liberty, a military reconnaissance vessel that was monitoring Israeli troops movements prior to the Six Day War, Washington went along – in public – with Tel Aviv’s fairy tale claiming it was an “accident.” This disgrace is repeated, today, as the beaten and battered Americans who lived to tell the tale of what happened aboard the flotilla return to bear witness to Israeli brutality. An American citizen is killed, and Washington looks the other way. The ghost of Rachel Corrie is not surprised. Nor am I. Because the Israelis, after all, are our enemies.
Forget the fact that without aid from the US the Israeli settler colony would sink like a stone. Ignore the ritualistic paeans to the “special relationship,” regularly mouthed by politicians in both countries who know their lines by heart. And pay no attention to the propaganda that regularly depicts US-Israeli relations as a mutual admiration society founded on “shared values” and the love of liberal democracy.
Established in the wake of the Holocaust, and created by survivors of that horrific orgy of mass murder, the basis of Israel’s founding was and is the idea that Jews are not safe in this world. Not anywhere: no, not even in the United States. The premise behind this view is that everyone is a potential enemy, to be kept at arm’s length, at best, and to be crushed underfoot, at worst.
The lawlessness and brutality that we saw in the attack on the flotilla is inherent in the nature of Zionism, which, after all, came to birth at a time when the world was rife with nationalism of the most virulent sort. Liberal friends of Israel look on in horror as the Jewish state evolves into a combination of South Africa under apartheid and the new North Korea. Yet ideology has its own inexorable logic: it’s hardly an anomaly that the early followers of Ze’ev Jabotinsky, the leading figure in what is today the ruling party in Israel, were attracted to and full of praise for the “blood and iron” doctrine of Mussolini – and the feeling was mutual. Not for nothing did Il Duce allow Jabotinsky’s “revisionist” faction to set up a training camp in Italy for its naval fighters in the Irgun, the forerunner of today’s IDF.
We’re shocked when survivors of the flotilla attack testify to what happened, and the autopsy reports are coming in: one shot four times in the head, others shot and killed at very close range, execution-style. Yet Israel has shown what it is capable of many times: the hijacking of the Gaza flotilla was just the most recent occurrence in a string of incidents stretching back years: the kidnapping of Mordecai Vanunu, the assassination squads that roam the world in search of Israel’s enemies, the bombing of Western diplomatic and cultural facilities in Egypt to make it look as though the Arabs were responsible (the Lavon incident), not to mention the long history of Israeli aggression against its neighbors and its indigenous Arab population.
These are not the actions of a Western liberal democracy, but of a frenetic and fanatic regime that resembles nothing so much as the legendary Order of Assassins, the 12th century adherents of the Nizari Ismaili Shiite sect whose leaders sent out their murderous minions to dispose of enemies with such deadly effectiveness that their name became synonymous with violent death. Netanyahu is the modern day Old Man of the Mountain.
This role increasingly puts the Israelis at odds with their chief benefactors, the US government, and the political elites of Western Europe. While generally kept under wraps, this mutual antipathy has been on the increase, lately, as the Israelis drop their “Western” mask. The result has been a series of confrontations: the Israeli insistence on building new settlements in defiance of an American-sponsored peace plan, the ambushing of an American Vice President as he visited the Jewish state, the very real hatred for President Obama exhibited by the growing far-right in Israeli politics, and a series of high-profile attempts to penetrate America’s security firewall. To say nothing of the Israeli “art students” who flooded the US in the months prior to 9/11, and the post-9/11 revelation by Fox News – hardly the American al-Jazeera – that, as Carl Cameron put it:
“Since September 11, more than 60 Israelis have been arrested or detained, either under the new patriot anti-terrorism law, or for immigration violations. A handful of active Israeli military were among those detained, according to investigators, who say some of the detainees also failed polygraph questions when asked about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States.
“There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9-11 attacks, but investigators suspect that the Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance, and not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are ‘tie-ins.’ But when asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying, ‘evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.’”
If the Israelis are capable of this – standing pat while information they held could have prevented the worst terrorist attack in American history – then they’re capable of anything. And the US government knows it, which is one good reason why we don’t dare cross them, at least openly, unless it can’t be avoided. They can kill Americans, steal our biggest secrets, and laugh in our faces without fear of retaliation – because we’ve nurtured a Frankenstein monster that is perfectly capable of turning on its creator, and doing considerable damage in the process.
Another good reason why we literally let them get away with murder is their political power in this country: the soft underbelly of America’s defenses against foreign incursions is the ability of foreign-backed lobbyists to undermine – and shape – US policy. A long and dedicated state-sponsored campaign to embed their agents of influence at the center of American political and social life has paid off quite handsomely. On the left as well as the right, their partisans tirelessly promote the Israeli government line – and don’t hesitate to rebuke their own political leaders whenever they show signs of straying from the narrow path of righteousness.
And who can blame them? After all, their physical existence, as well as their political independence as a nation-state, depends wholly on the lifeline of American subsidies (a little detail fake “libertarian” Rand Paul seems to have left out of his statement on Israel.)
The martial spirit that infuses Israel’s myrmidons with such passion is born of a sense of embattled isolation pulsing at the heart of the Zionist project. Surrounded by enemies, perpetually in “existential” danger, the Jewish state exists simultaneously as a consummate bully and a helpless victim: thus the odd argument coming out of Tel Aviv that their commandos were brutalized by those nasty, stick-wielding Turkish “terrorists,” who had the temerity to fight back. The Israelis released a video, which dominated the Western media coverage, of those awful Turkish “terrorists” beating commandos, omitting what happened in the moments before – live fire coming from helicopters – and after (nine execution-style deaths, and many injuries.)
To the hard line Israeli nationalist – a disagreeable species firmly in control of the government in Tel Aviv, now and for the foreseeable future – everyone is an enemy, but especially the Americans, who, to be sure, hold the fate of the Jewish state in their unreliable hands. What if, some day, we elect a President with some balls, one unafraid of the Lobby and willing to stand up for America? What if we elect a Congress that isn’t nearly as eager as this one is to kowtow to AIPAC and apologize for Israeli state terrorism? What if, one day, the aid spigot is turned off?
Israel’s national paranoia is not limited to the Israelis, per se, but also afflicts their American amen corner to such an extent that every criticism of Israel is portrayed as an anti-Semitic plot. For example, the above-cited Fox News story is never disputed, or even quoted: it is simply dismissed as vile “anti-Semitism.” Is Carl Cameron – a Fox News reporter once considered friendly to the Bush White House – an anti-Semite? Is Fox News “anti-Israel”? And what about the rest of Cameron’s fascinating and detailed four-part report, which not only avers the Israelis were watching and aware of the 9/11 hijackers, but also exposes an extensive spy operation and systematic industrial espionage in the US?
Disguised as ill feelings toward Barack Obama, the rabid anti-Americanism on the rise in Israel may seem bizarre, on the surface: why hate your best friend? Yet this development is perfectly understandable. How would you like it if your “best friend” supported you, protected you, succored you, and gave you everything you needed and wanted, so that eventually you were lost in his all-encompassing embrace? At some point, if you had any kind of character, you’d come to resent it – and even hate it, whilst hating yourself for allowing it.
The “special relationship” is a poisonous and deeply dysfunctional relationship, which benefits one party at the growing expense of the other. Sooner or later it will end, but how? With an open break, perhaps even a violent conflict – remember how Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen refused to rule out shooting down an Israeli jet crossing Iraqi airspace en route to Iran? Or, more probably, with a covert Israeli action of some sinister sort? In any event, you can be sure that Washington greatly fears the answer to that question.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013





Johnny in Wi.
June 7th, 2010 at 4:18 am
Justin: Thanks for keeping the Fox News Story alive. I Saw it originally and was shocked. I had watched Fox News from the beginning during the Clinton Lewinsky scandal and thought it was great fun. Of course I saw that Fox was an arm of the Israeli propaganda machine. But that was true of all the media. What shocked me the most about this four day story was how it attacked Israel which it had in past backed to the hilt. In over 60 years on this earth I had never seen such a true or negative story about Israel. What caused Rupert Murdoch to put such a atory up?
Georges
June 7th, 2010 at 4:32 am
Don't forget that Osama bin Laden and his commandos struck at the United States on Sept. 11, 2001 in retaliation for U.S. support of Israel.
Bin Laden stated:
"To the American people, my talk to you is about the best way to avoid another Manhattan, about the war, its reasons and its consequences .. I tell you: Security is an important element of human life, and free people do not give up their security. Unlike what Bush says that we hate freedom, let him tell us why didn't we attack Sweden, for example.
"It is known that those who hate freedom do not have dignified souls, like those of the 19 blessed ones. We fought you because we are free … and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our security we undermine yours.
"Even as you enter the fourth year after the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush is still misleading and deluding you and hiding the real reason from you. Consequently, there are still reasons to repeat what happened. I will tell you about the reasons behind these attacks and will tell you the truth about the moments during which the decision was made, for you to contemplate.
"God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137129,00.htm…
epppie
June 7th, 2010 at 5:00 am
This is just ludicrous. I'm trying to be nice. It's blatantly obvious that Rahm Emanuel has to have effectively given the green light to Israel just days before the Bloody Monday Massacre, and the Obama Regime's reaction afterwards was not one of surprise, horror, or even of being put out. In fact it was a reaction of nearly unconditional support (though of course even that wasn't good enough for Israel). I don't doubt that Obama dislikes Netanyahu as much as Emanuel likes him, but that's just jostling between thugs in a gang. Israel may be the enemy of the American People, but Israel is CLEARLY NOT the enemy of our 'elites'.
Is this delusional, or sophisticated gatekeeping? Jesus, I just don't care anymore.
Johnny in Wi.
June 7th, 2010 at 5:06 am
Where is Rahm Emmanuel is he ever coming home? You are right on with your comments.
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GLC
June 7th, 2010 at 5:32 am
Is Rahm Emanuel an Israeli citizen? I read somewhere that he enlisted in the Israeli Army, although he didn't serve in the U.S. Army.
goldhorder
June 7th, 2010 at 5:48 am
I agree epppie… I am not so sure anymore that it is our leaders doing the bidding of Israel…as Our leaders using Israel in pursuit of its control of the middle east. Israel makes an incredible distraction from all our wars and bombing there does it not? Not only that… but we talk about negotiating between Israel and the Arabs…we are the mediators and we come off as a disinterested 3rd party! LOL. It is all a bit to smooth in my opinion. I don't think these are independent operators the us and Israel are one and the same.
Justin Raimondo
June 7th, 2010 at 6:10 am
In the immediate wake of 9/11, competition for news was hot, and this was hot news — Fox was out to get the scoop. The market trumped the habit of self-censorship, and I think Carl Cameron's position at the network had something to do with it. He was viciously attacked, youi'll recall, and accused of "bias" because he had spent his youth somewhere in the Arab world.
J. Davis
June 7th, 2010 at 6:10 am
It all started June 8th, 1967
The US government institutionalized Israel as a component of the US government. Congress and every President since 1967 have never looked back.
MoT
June 6th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
Israel, with its subs parked of Iran's coast, will drag Uncle Sam kicking and screaming into another bloody war through an "incident", even something as evil as going nuclear, while it gives itself a round of high-fives. Don't put it past these lunatics. They feel everyone OWES them. Even if it means forever.
Duglarri
June 7th, 2010 at 6:39 am
Israeli commenters on various sites are starting to threaten Americans. "We'll climb over the smoking rubble of your cities when you're all gone," was one quote. They know who the real enemy is. No one else in the world is the kind of threat to them that the US is.
Heathcliff_Maw
June 7th, 2010 at 7:33 am
The United States and Israel do have shared values. Israel is, essentially, treating the Palestinians the way the US treated the aborigines of this continent. And the oppressed are called savages and terrorists when they dare to fight back.
maidhc
June 7th, 2010 at 8:02 am
How does Israel corrupt American politics?
The most sophisticated answer to that question is to be found in Jeff Gates' Guilt By Association: How Deception and Self-Deceit Took America to War.
See excerpts from the book at the Criminal State website.
Ground_Control
June 7th, 2010 at 8:21 am
The REAL enemies of the US are it's elected officials who unconditionally support the terrorist state of Israel. Unless these traitors are court martialed, shot, and then sent to the Russian front, nothing will change.
Lex Thalionis
June 7th, 2010 at 9:04 am
Call it Murdoch's preemptive insurance policy. He would love a state funeral in Jerusalem like the one Robert Maxwell got, but he would rather not take swimming lessons with the Mossad, like Maxwell did.
Peter
June 7th, 2010 at 9:28 am
This article proves Justin is in fact a gatekeeper for the lie that was 9/11. Any true anit-war activist on a site called Anti-War which reguarly asks for money would continually ask for a new investigation. They would also cover the story of WTC 7 relentlessly. More important this site would actively organise street protests. Get off your computers and get out on the streets. It is the American people who allow Israel to get away with this crap because you are all prepared to sit on your computers and whine like sacks of shinola but actually do nothing. Ask yourself. Did Justin answer his reader's question?
Lloyd G.
June 7th, 2010 at 9:42 am
The question that begs to be asked is: What was Obama's level of involvement in the Gaza flotilla attack? Was he:
A) Completely unaware of Israeli plans?
B) Aware, but made no objection?
C) Informed and gave the 'green light'?
D) In on the plan?
I suspect it's either C or D.
Obviously, Netanyahu's aim here is to drag the US into a broader war in the Middle East. Obama is showing a little apprehension, but he's getting sucked along. Israel-firsters in Congress and the media dominate the public 'debate'.
Justin Raimondo
June 7th, 2010 at 10:04 am
Is that you, Cass Sunstein?
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/08/case-sunstei…
Lou
June 7th, 2010 at 10:07 am
Uncle Sam is now Uncle Schmuel…
Oy vey.
E. A. Costa
June 7th, 2010 at 11:53 am
The essence of Meta-Spectacular manipulation is that the Spectacular personae be set up.
Netanyahu is a master at this.
For example, US counterparts may have been given the information that Israel planned to intercept the flotilla here and at time T. US Intelligence would have known all that anyway.
But the intercept involved cunningly planned and premeditated murder, targeting the Turks and
synchronized with other actions ( a "Kurdish" attack on a Turkish outpost).
Even some of the Israeli Commandos were set up (some of them must have figured this out by now).
Set-ups within set-ups within set-ups.
Paintball rifles with glass containing pellets to simulate flesh wounds, for example?
Obama and Emanuel "informed" beforehand on that score?
Not likely.
They were handed another Netayahu's fait accompli–take it or (dare you?)leave it?
This was also carefully planned ahead of time as a "Meta-Spectacular" event.
E. A. Costa
June 7th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
"I trust you enjoy your meal, Gentlemen":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzbdHIfkb6w
Peter
June 7th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
Street protests folks. It seems anit-war is anti protest. Or is this another oppurtunity for a Cass Sunstein reference?
E. A. Costa
June 7th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
The Turkish autopsies show all rounds were 9mm except one.
The Turk Coroner apparently had never run into the other before.
It's just a guess but from the description it appears to have what the Americans call "snake shot."
E. A. Costa
June 7th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
The Flotilla went out of its way to arrive in "Gaza waters" in daylight.
The Israelis had to operate in darkness, not to be easily seen, including by US intelligence.
Thus so far out in international waters.
NewandExciting
June 7th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
In all fairness, street protests have lost a lot of their 'punch' because of how such protests are covered by the media. Seattle and Montreal WTO summits spring to mind. You remember, where the numbers of protesters were dramatically undercounted and those that were there represented as a 'lunatic fringe.' The whole point of protests is to get peoples attention and force them to act, even if that action is casting a different vote or sending $10 to a political underdog. But it happens less and less because news outlets aren't bringing the truth about protests to middle america. Instead no matter the size of the rally they are relentlessly characterized as being outside the social and political norms of America. It's a classic case of 'measure meet counter-measure.' All that remains is how media framing of events will be counter-counter-measured. Got any ideas?
E. A. Costa
June 7th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
It's just a guess but there's probably reams of exotically obtained video and sound out there that the Israelis neither know about or control.
Guy
June 7th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Its shocking
Israel upholds a blockade put in place to protect its citizens, and suddenly you all deduct that Netanyahu is trying to drag the US into a war.
Of course Israel has subs parked next to Iran! Iran is well on its way to producing nuclear weapons, and Achmedinijad states time and time again that he plans to wipe Israel off the map!
NewandExciting
June 7th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
The idea of an agent provocateur had crossed my mind only because some of the reports insisted that passengers of the aid ship attacked commandos with flash grenades. If you were really a pro-hamas fanatic why would you bring along flash grenades? Wouldn't you want something lethal? The only idea I was able to come up with is an agent provocateur that would 'attack' the commandos initiating a violent response. 'OMG! They have grenades! Open fire!'
Anyway, I don't know if it is true or not but that was all I could come up with for why it was activists would be armed with flash grenades. Anyone got any other ideas?
Fred B.
June 7th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Some in the media interpret the current U.S./Israel tiff as the U.S. patron being mad at the Israeli client about not doing more for peace. Another angle is that the tiff's origins are in the U.S. client being intransigent over the Israeli patron's desire to bomb Iran. Already during the Bush regime, Israel was asking to hit Iran, but lame-duck Bush decided he already had enough blood on his hands (or his generals decided for him) and wouldn't go along with it. Obama has been reluctant thus far to go the bombing route, but continous pressure from the Israel lobby, while throwing in a staged provocation or two, and the Israeli hope is that before the end of Obama's term, the U.S. and Israel will be bossum buddies again.
Guy
June 7th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
Why shouldn't Israel bomb Iranian nuclear facilities? The Iranian government vows to wipe Israel off the map
NewandExciting
June 7th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
It's funny, but those photos don't actually 'prove' much when shorn of context. Some of the captions even seem to be at odds with what is seen in some of the pictures. One indicates an activist is holding down a commando, yet if one looks carefully the activist looks like he is holding the commandos hand as if in sympathy. The activist facial expression also doesn't have the look of someone in a fight. Their is no anger or fear there. In another of the photos it looks as though one activist is shepherding a commando with a head wound away from another angry activist. If they were a blood thirsty mob then why would a commando be receiving aid of any kind? I dunno. I think these photos raise more questions then they answer.
Guy
June 7th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
The commandos are bloody and it is obvious that they have been met with violence
E. A. Costa
June 7th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
"Now, I'll tell you what," he went on. "So much I'll tell you, and no more. I were in Flint's ship when he buried the treasure; he and six along—six strong seamen. They was ashore nigh on a week, and us standing off and on in the old WALRUS. One fine day up went the signal, and here come Flint by himself in a little boat, and his head done up in a blue scarf. The sun was getting up, and mortal white he looked about the cutwater. But, there he was, you mind, and the six all dead—dead and buried. How he done it, not a man aboard us could make out. It was battle, murder, and sudden death, leastways—him against six. Billy Bones was the mate; Long John, he was quartermaster; and they asked him where the treasure was. 'Ah,' says he, 'you can go ashore, if you like, and stay,' he says; 'but as for the ship, she'll beat up for more, by thunder!' That's what he
said.
RobertLouisStevenson
NewandExciting
June 7th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Guy, do you honestly believe that coming to a website called 'Antiwar' and pushing for a bombing campaign is really going to get you much traction? Especially when many of us are skeptical of the same claims used to justify the invasion of Iraq are re-cycled into fomenting an attack on Iran? So you will forgive me and others here if we don't go along with your 'Trust us.'
George
June 7th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
There is hope for Justin–he is starting to hint that Israel Firsters did Sept 11 2001 attacks. Good boy!
Daaah! "Iran wants wipe Israel off the map" where from what Kosher dung pile has this poster invaded Antiwar site?
Guy
June 7th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
I don't ask that you go along. I am merely stating my opinion, because the truth is that Iran vows to wipe Israel off the map, and is building nuclear facilities. What do you think Israel should do with regards to this?
Alan MacDonald
June 7th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Justin, discussing the U.S., Israel, and the U.K. as if they were the traditional 'nation-states' that used to exist is folly.
These are not nation-states in any meaningful sense today. They are not countries in any meaningful sense of representing their people. And they are certainly not democracies, democratic Republics, or anything remotely of that type of government.
All three former 'nation-state' are merely elements of the fast expanding Global corporate/financial/militarist EMPIRE of the 21st century which has eclipsed and subsumed the faded 17th to 20th century era of 'nation-state' centric world power that Paul Kennedy wrote of in his marvelous "The Rise and Fall of Great Powers" — which nation-state centric era itself had eclipsed the Church centric power structure that preceded it.
We now face the harsh reality of a 21st century global power structure which has purposefully evolved itself to the first Global corporate-centric EMPIRE — which is based purely on aggregation of a subtle corporate/financial/militarist power structure that has no innate connection with any misty and emotive concepts of national pride, patriotism, or even identity, any more than it does with religious and church centered faith, loyalty, or affiliation.
This new monopolistic and Global corporate-centric EMPIRE is based purely on ruling-elitist bonds, and thus is both as uncomfortable and unintelligible to average citizens of the former countries/nation-states as was the new world of nation-state centric power to 12th century monks, priests, and the average church going masses.
Justin, like the recent movie title, "He's Just Not That Into You", this Global ruling-elite corporate/financial/militarist EMPIRE is just not that into the vast majority of us who think of themselves as Americans, or Israelis, or Brits, or any other vaguely patriotic out-dated concept of identification, rights, citizenship, or anything else that has to do with the supposed exercise of influence over how power is controlled.
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
NewandExciting
June 7th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
But Guy, was that before or after they shot the 9 people to death? Last time I checked it was IDF 9 – Activists 0. That and you offer nothing in the way of any kind of answer to any of the doubts I raised other than 'Commandos are bloody and it's obvious they have been met with violence.' Thanks for the news flash! How about some fresh questions? Who took the photos? When were they taken? Why are some cropped the way that they are? The only thing the photos prove is that some commandos got bloodied up, but it does nothing to clear up the circumstances in which that occurred. And to be honest, why shouldn't I be skeptical of the Israeli story when they seized all cameras and recording devices carried by the passengers and have vowed to not allow an international investigation into the incident? If they really are the victims, then what is it they are afraid of? Why all the subterfuge?
NewandExciting
June 7th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
They could start by respecting the NPT and allowing the IAEA to do it's job. They could also tone down their own belligerent rhetoric. They could recognize Hamas as the elected government of Gaza and bring them into the peace process much like the Brits ended up doing with Seinn Feinn. You know, the political arm of the IRA that was responsible for many widespread terrorist attacks in the UK? Brits learned the hard way that you have to bring your enemies to the peace table and not people who already agree with you.
Guy
June 7th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
The photos obviously were not taken by the commandos.
Also, the photos were not published by Israel. In fact, they were published by a Turkish newspaper.
Guy
June 7th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
They are allowing the IAEA to do it's job. The problem is that the IAEA is finding it very difficult to do its job because Iran refuses to allow it to inspect it's facilities.
So I'll ask again…. What should Israel do, if Iran continues not to allow inspection?
Guy
June 7th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
You claim that I am making it up?
Do you want me to link dozens of videos in which Ahmedinijad publicly states his intentions to destroy Israel?
NewandExciting
June 7th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
The article says that they were taken by an unknown person, so that doesn't automatically rule out a commando. It does raise interesting questions since all the activists allegedly had their cameras and equipment confiscated by the Israelis. But even the fact they were published by a Turkish paper does nothing to address any of the doubts that I've raised. Doubts that are not likely to be answered in light of Israeli resistance to an outside probe.
NewandExciting
June 7th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
I think we've heard this song before. "The Iraqis are stonewalling inspectors! We have no choice but to act! We don't want the warning to come in the form of a mushroom cloud!' So again, you'll have to forgive me for being skeptical of the claims of the same individuals that were the impetus behind our glorious mission in Iraq.
I have a question for you: If Israel is in such imminent danger, why haven't they bombed? They've already demonstrated a willingness to strike targets in Iraq or Syria? What makes Iran any different? I'm sorry, but a lot of your points on this topic and others raise more doubts than answers.
NewandExciting
June 7th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
I wouldn't claim that you are making it up Guy. Only because it is a very old lie. If you actually listen to the speech and then look at a literal translation of Farsi the word 'map' or 'wiped off' actually do not appear. 'The regime in Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time.' is the nearest English translation. But does that mean what you contend that the Iranians wish to perpetrate a second Holocaust? That's quite a stretch. However, our servile media and pliant government leaders are all to happy to repeat this meme over and over again. Which raises the question of why? What do our leaders hope to gain with war with Iran? Seeing how swimmingly our Iraq project is going I would be hesitant to claim expertise on re-engineering whole countries.
Mhstahl
June 7th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
If I understand correctly, Ahmadinajad was somewhat mis-translated, and honest translation would be closer to a claim that the Israeli "state" should not exist-a rather big difference(the "state" anywhere already does not exist)-this is no different than the voluminous, and bellicose, demands for "regime change" that the American Imperitor frequently makes.
Of course, a big difference is that Ahmadinajad has no real authority in Iran-and no control of the military. I'd like a link to a video where he actually calls for Israel to be destroyed(not the mistranslated "wiped from the map…" that's meaningless)-but I'd be more interested if someone with more authority in Iran than the mayor of Tehran said it-how about a spokesman for the supreme leader-or even the ayatollah himself?
Guy, do you really want some politicians(and a half-baked head of state without executive power at that)bizarre rhetoric to start a war that will, without doubt, kill vast numbers of innocents?
Guy
June 7th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
Do you honestly think that commandos take photos of their bleeding comrades?!?! do you honestly think that during the bloody battle on board the ship the commandos took out digital cameras and started snapping photos?
Guy
June 7th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
They raise doubts only because you want them to.
Israel hasn't bombed because it is very difficult, without using ICBMs. The distance is too far for the Israel air force without in air refueling.
And, all countries are urging Israel no to attack, including the USA
Guy
June 7th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hLDjGdJC0Q&fe… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_veD-nosxso&fe…
want more?
humanist
June 7th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
The main claim of Israelis for justifying their inhumane acts is “…we have the right for self-defense”
This argument is flawed, morally, logically and legally.
Every aggressive nation loses all its rights of self-defense the moment it occupies other people’s lands, drives them out to small corners, imprisons people by building high walls around them and subjects them to all kinds of historically cruel and humiliating collective punishments.
Legally, in any civilized murder trial, if the killer proves he/she was subject to severe abuse then he/she gets acquitted. Similarly the people in lands occupied by “sadistic” occupiers have all kinds of rights to resist, even kill or in their basement workshops fill metal pipes with explosive and shoot at the buildings of occupiers….or throw rocks at them…or do whatever they can to resist the atrocities. (“Sadistic is the word Noam Chomsky has used for Israeli actions in Gaza).
humanist
June 7th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
part 2
In Palestine, if there was no occupation there were no suicide bombing. In the minds of rational analysts for every action there will be a reaction and the harsh reaction of victims are understandable and excusable (refer to what Ted Turner said about Palestinian suicide bombings).
And logically, oppressors don’t have the right for self-defense, since this negates the right of self-defense for their victims.
Most of Israelis believe “god has given Israel land to them”. In this age of the triumph of science over superstition that line of argument is utterly absurd. A god that came down from skies and wrestled with Jacob is a character out of an schizophrenic illusion…especially when their holy book says god lost the wrestle… Jacob won !.
And now the sanity and honesty of Israeli Leaders are seriously in question.
humanist
June 7th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
part 4
US intelligent services in 2007 published NIE, indicating Iran stopped military nuclear research in 2003. Iran emphatically denies ever had any nuclear military program and asserts in the 8 years of war with Iraq tens of thousands of their soldiers were brutally killed by Iraqi chemical weapons but Iran refused the offer of arms merchants to buy and use chemical weapons.
Day after day the people of the world are realizing the troubling immorality of the Israeli actions, especially in the Palestine.
Israel today is extremely powerful and has access to practically inexhaustible resources…….the degree of its power and influence in the Western countries and US is frightening…..now crazy Israelis are orchestrating another war…..this time with Iran……chances are they are going to get what they want converting Iran to another “irrecoverable ruin”.
humanist
June 7th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
part 5 (last)
We are witnessing a pivotal time in history….the world must stop Israel, since they are detrimental the all humanity including themselves….Netanyahus and Liebermans don’t get it, superstitious ideologies, inhumane and deceptive ways and apartheid styles of ruling others can’t last forever, the tides of history of history is going to wipe them off the map…not as they falsely claim that is the intention of Iran to do.
NewandExciting
June 7th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
You are the master of picking out one thing and harping about it and ignoring anything else. You might want to work on your reading comprehension skills. I don't say that it is a commando. I say that it is an unknown person. Do you know for certain beyond any doubt that the photos were not taken by a commando or another member of the IDF? Can you identify the photographer? You can't, so all you can rely on is making a straw man argument. An argument that falls flat on it's face if anyone takes 2 seconds to read what I actually wrote.
NewandExciting
June 7th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
You're right. If I just turn off my ability to reason and allow my betters to handle all the really heavy intellectual lifting than all doubts will be erased! Your argument about my doubts only being grounded in wish-thinking might hold water if I was the only one to reach these conclusions. But there are a lot of people in high places the world over that are skeptical of Israeli claims.
And why is it other countries including the US don't want Israel to attack Iran? (I thought it was just crazy old me!)
Schmuck
June 7th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
That's right Justin… omg t3h J00s |2 g0in6 to 63t us @ll! OMGz!!1!11!!1!111
Why don't you defect to Iran already?
ML3
June 7th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
He's a dual national – Israeli / American. Strange he can serve in their army, doesn't have to serve in ours, but his American citizenship is not revoked.
Stranger still no one notices you can't do that with any other ally.
NewandExciting
June 7th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
I love Guy's 'evidence.' Thanks for letting MEMRI translate that first one for me! I mean, they wouldn't mislead me would they? Yigal Carmon wouldn't have any bias at all eh? You had me laughing a good while Guy. Thanks for the entertainment.
ML3
June 7th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
It is HIGH TIME we knocked these people off their pedestal and remind them that they are human, no better or worse than any others – - – subject to the same laws and penalties as the rest of us – - – and entirely judged on their actions
NewandExciting
June 7th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Weee! The anti-semite canard. Surprised that we made it to page 2 before it reared it's ugly head.
Truly your contention is both new and exciting.
Oh and cool story bro.
ML3
June 7th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
Hey Dingleberry – stop spreading the MSM lie that Ahmadenijad states he plans to wipe Israel off the map. If you STILL believe he said that, you aren't paying attention. It has been disproved a thousand times over.
Anyway, by your logic the US should have nuclear subs parked next to Israel since nuclear Israel is stating time and time again that they will wipe non-nuclear Iran off the map!
Netanyahu is a bonafide fascist / terrorist. His day of reckoning will come soon enuff. The little Eichmann will answer for his crimes. Of course Yahoo is going to drag US into his war with Iran – - – Israel will never win on their own and besides, they are too used to killing old people and women and kids in the Occupied Territories and Lebanon to beat anyone who fights back (see Lebanon War 2006).
ML3
June 7th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
They deserved it! Boarding a ship with guns blazing in international waters – - – the passengers probably feared for their lives!!! Why should they sit on their hands waiting for these animals to gun them down in cold blood??
What, as soon as people fight back, the aggressive Israeli commandos suddenly become the whining victims? LOL idiot
Seeker
June 7th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
You're starting to see what happens when the belief in being "the chosen people" finds politcal expression.
E. A. Costa
June 7th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
"Got any ideas?"
Yes, you might read Lewis Mumford's The City In History.
Street protests in suburbs?
It is time to get off the schoolbus that is the contemporary American mind.
E. A. Costa
June 7th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
Hint: a good part of Paris was actually designed to control mobs and put down street protests by the populace, including "places" to station artillery and troops.
Didn't work naturally, but that was the plan.
Auntie_Spinster
June 7th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
"Bin Laden stated" – Do you really believe that, or any other "Bin Laden" proclamation? I don't lend those enough credence to even disbelieve them.
Georges
June 7th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
Why shouldn't I believe it? It's consistent with his other statements stretching back for decades.
E. A. Costa
June 7th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
Israeli Naval Reserve Officers Call for International Probe:
"We disagree with the widespread claims that this was the result of an intelligence rift," said the officers. "In addition, we do not accept claims that this was a 'public relations failure' and we think that the plan was doomed to failure from the beginning."
"First and foremost, we protest the fact that responsibility for the tragic results was immediately thrust onto the organizers of the flotilla," wrote the officers. "This demonstrates contempt for the responsibility that belongs principally to the hierarchy of commanders and those who approved the mission. This shows contempt for the values of professionalism, the purity of weapons and for human lives."
Haaretz June6 2010
They seem to be implying it was all planned by the Israeli side. Ah,some of Captain Flint's crew a little worried about being buried with the treasure chest on small desert island somewhere, is it?
NewandExciting
June 7th, 2010 at 5:08 pm
True, Napoleon didn't want to be on the receiving end of a popular revolt as had the French monarchs that preceded him. :)
Now we just have to contend with innovations like 'free speech zones.'
humanist
June 7th, 2010 at 5:09 pm
Iran wiping Israel off the map……that is the rumor of the centruy
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid…
Georges
June 7th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
There is a mountain of evidence that one of the Arab resistance movements carried out the raids on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. There is virtually no evidence is was "done" by Israel Firsters. Where's your evidence?
CCC
June 7th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Not only that, but they would not obfuscate on the subject on 9/11 and pretend that Israel only failed to "warn us" or stop the "attack". What a naive notion. Has Justin ever mentioned the name Dov Zakheim? I bought his Israel/911 book, and it was incomplete to say the least. You have Zakheim, you have Lucky Larry, you have the tenets in the WTC, you have the security companies, UBS(oh yeah, they were just "watching" right? HA!), you have one of the "hijackers" cousins being an admitted Mossad agent and many more Israeli connections to 9/11 that barely get mention. Certainly not mentioned by "investigative reporter" Justin Raimondo here. Justin and his ilk are not truly anti-war, they help sustain the fraud "war on terror" and its biggest and most important lie-9/11. The blood of innocent arabs and US troops that have been sent to kill them and to die is not just on the hands of the neocons and the corporate media. Its also on the hands of steam valve fake "alternative" media types who are nothing more than gatekeepers. Overused term? Yes, but it is apt.
CCC
June 7th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
Except he never said that. If you bought into that massive lie its no wonder you buy the whole phony Israeli justification for all of their crimes and murders.
Will
June 7th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
You hit the nail right on the head.
Rasputin
June 7th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
You're right. Both countries had "settlers" in land that was already settled.
Watson
June 7th, 2010 at 6:21 pm
My understanding is that it was the commandos who were tossing flash-bangs and smoke grenades, not the activists. The Israelis have never accused the activists of having anything other than sticks, some knives and deck chairs for self-defense.
E. A. Costa
June 7th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
Long before Napoleon.
Guy
June 7th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
Can you quote Israel saying that its going to wipe Iran off the map? Because I supect that you made this up
Guy
June 7th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
No, thankyou, I dont want to work on my reading comprehension skills.
I wonder, do you ever "raise doubts" about anything anti-Israel ever published? Or do you automatically mark all the anti-Israel journalism on this site and many others as correct?
Guy
June 7th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
There are also a lot of people in places high and low that are not skeptical of Israels claims.
I also do not want Israel to attack. However I accept that Iran is gainig nuclear capabilities, and vows to destroy Israel. Therefore Israel may have to. As would many other countries if a country threatening to destroy them would try to gain nuclear capabilities.
V for Vendetta
June 7th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
J’s premise is correct; the government of Israel is evil. But, that does not let the government of the US off the hook, it is evil too. Let me make my point by changing just one paragraph from J’s article. “Again and again the US has outraged the world, and even many of its most dedicated supporters, by its actions: multiple invasions of Iraq, the murderous invasions of Afghanistan and Pakistan, its ever-expanding worldwide empire of imperialistic military bases, its vicious assaults on the liberties, property rights and prosperity of its own citizens that characterizes the recent ultra-rightist regimes of Bush and Obama, which includes the openly fascist Republican-Democratic party that includes the thuggish Senators J. McCain and J. Lieberman – the list of the US’s sins is a long one, and that’s going back but a few years.” Yes, the present evil governments of both the US and Israel are sworn enemies of truth, justice, liberty, human rights and peace. The US cannot condemn Israeli evil without also condemning itself. The people of the US can change their government this November. We can start by voting out of office every incumbent in the House and Senate.
Guy
June 7th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Many others have translated it and reached the same conclusions.
Your argument is weak.
Guy
June 7th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
And what about the last one? what do you have to say about that translator?
Your right. Translations are made with bias, because the translators are so stupid that they think that no Arabic-speakers would realize thier mistranslation.
It is a known fact that Ahmedinijad does not recognise Israels right to exist.
Guy
June 7th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Ahmedinijad does not recognize Israels right to exist, no matter how many biased people try to claim that he is mistranslated
E. A. Costa
June 7th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
"Free democratic elections by majority vote" are themselves a mirage and a central element of Corporatist Fascist Capitalist System.
Eve Primm
June 7th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
"Guy" (using that title loosely) is unable, as are all the shills, to substantiate his claims that Iran has threatened to wipe israel off the map. It cannot be overemphasized however, in the context of his non-argument, that the rogue israeli regime is the outfit that is wiping people, nations, and civilizations off of the map. Indeed, israel is the only "state" that is expanding its territory in the entire region. A quick look at israel's sordid history is all that's necessary to establish beyond a doubt that israel's "borders" are of the ever-expanding. Just a look at the Google Earth images of the region will immediately reveal several "disputed" borders. It's an undeniable fact that the "state" of israel gets bigger all the time.
So, genius; who's getting wiped off the map? Bogus claims that Iran has threatened such action against israel are worthless when weighed against the fact that israel is now – and has been for decades – stealing and occupying the land of its neighbours. Actions speak louder than words, and the actions of israel provide clear evidence of exactly who is wiping whom off of the map. Alternatively, if the intent to wipe people / states off of the map is such a big problem to you, then you should be the first to condemn israel for constantly invading its neighbours and stealing their land.
This leads to another point; israel's refusal to define its "borders" is precisely the obstacle preventing it from being a real ally of the americans. They merely have a 'special relationship'. Only nations with clearly defined borders can enter into the treaties necessary to establish internationally recognized alliances. Since israel is intent on expanding and stealing more territory (i.e.: wiping people and nations off the map) it cannot establish a true alliance with america. They'll just have to be 'special friends'.
Guy
June 7th, 2010 at 7:05 pm
That in no way implies that they think it was planned by the Israeli side.
They are just criticizing the way the mission was carried out.
liberranter
June 7th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
Strange indeed, given that the U.S. government has long claimed that the US does not recognize "dual citizenship." This is especially true for positions within the U.S. government involving access to classified information, something the WHCOS most certainly has as part of their normal duties. Consider the implications of Emmanuel having regular and unfettered access to some of the most sensitive national security information (at least that little bit of the volumes of information that is "classified" today that actually has something to do with legitimate national security) at the highest levels.
MetaCynic
June 7th, 2010 at 7:17 pm
The American political class spinelessly acquiesces to all of Israel's demands and remains silent when confronted with Israeli crimes for a very simple reason. They have been blackmailed into placing Israel's interests first, second and third.
Political power attracts not civic minded people but psychopaths with much to hide who will do anything to keep it hidden, including treasonous behavior. We live in an environment of pervasive electronic snooping where hidden forces are relentlessly gathering any and all information about everyone. It's not just us serfs who are in the crosshairs. The political elite, we can be certain, are also being spied upon, and all their hidden dirt is being carefully sifted and documented. Any public figure foolish enough not to worship Israel will have his dirty laundry hung out for all to see.
It's not just money and ideology that are animating our treasonous "public Servants." The fear of embarrassing videos and documents on You Tube must also be considered.
@lesterhalfjr
June 7th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
I saw a thing last weekend on CSPAN about the roots of the israeli nuclear program. The guy made an interesting point which was that before 67 the relationship between the US and israel wasn't all that strong. it was really Nixon and kissinger deciding that supporting israel would be good in terms of the cold war that all this stuff really started. don't know if thats true or not
Jeremiah
June 7th, 2010 at 7:38 pm
"If the Israelis are capable of this – standing pat while information they held could have prevented the worst terrorist attack in American history – then they’re capable of anything. . . . "
That "ANYTHING" is what scares the holy bejeezus out of me. These people are lunatics—and not just any old bunch of lunatics either; they're NUCLEAR-ARMED lunatics. And they're the very nuclear-armed lunatics who've worked themselves into a froth over the schizoid fantasy of an "existential" threat from Iran, and who are now stationing nuclear strike-capable subs in the Persian Gulf. Of course, this latter fact might ultimately relieve Mike Mullen, et al. of the onerous burden of deciding whether nor not to down Iran-bound Israeli craft in Iraqi airspace, but it DOES NOT bode well for peace.
In any case, thanks for your candor, Mr. Raimondo. The Israeli State and its aider and abettor, the American State, are without a doubt the two greatest enemies of peace, liberty and the American people—indeed, the enemies of *all* peoples who would pursue peace and freedom.
Jaime
June 7th, 2010 at 8:22 pm
You complain when people supossedly "misunderstand" Israel motives, but you have no shame to state what somebody didn't say. Ahmadenijad "betokens the removal of the regimes that are in power in Israel and in the USA, to be possible aim for the future. This is correct. But he never demands the elimination or annihilation of Israel." source: http://www.nytimes.com. Of course, Netayahoo said time and again together with his American slaves that all options are on the table. What do they mean? Nuclear weapons use obviously. Isn't this criminal? "Iran is well on its way to producing nuclear weapons," Israel, on the other hand, has lots of them. Why can't Iran have them? Just because you say so?
Emma
June 7th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
"Does not recognize" must mean "disregards." So the United States would disregard a second nationality (such as Israeli) and treat the person as a full U.S. citizen.
Jeremiah
June 7th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
"Political power attracts not civic minded people but psychopaths with much to hide who will do anything to keep it hidden, including treasonous behavior."
Precisely! And as the state, at its very root, is all about the use of force—and not reason—it tends to attract sociopaths, especially at the highest levels. Have you read Hayek's Road to Serfdom? Especially Chapter 10, "Why the Worst Get on Top"?
Anyway, principled politicians like Ron Paul are definitely rarae aves—even, as it turns out, in their own families (alas!).
abiman
June 7th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
Aborted Mission
Investigation: Did Mossad attempt to infiltrate Islamic radical outfits in south Asia?
by Subir Bhaumik
The Week
February 6, 2000 http://www.the-week.com/20feb06/events2.htm
The author is BBC's eastern India correspondent
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mossad_…
This possibility is consistent with the claims made by intelligence officials in US that Israeli agnets were aware of 911 perpetrators but did not share appropriately
guest
June 7th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
criminals always like to operate in the darkness.
upset
June 7th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
Are they going to let palestinians open casinos? sick pukes
NewandExciting
June 7th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
No, I don't embrace everything written as anti-Israel as being automatically correct. For example, I don't agree with Justin in this article when he mentions the Israeli's having a special loathing for Barack Obama. And I don't view the establishment of the Israeli states as being purely an enterprise conducted by Holocaust survivors.
freedom013102
June 7th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
To all but the deliberately blind, there's ample evidence that israel had involvement , indeed engineered the 911 plot along with israeli assets placed in the highest levels of the American government which is fatally compromised with traitors in the highest places.
NewandExciting
June 7th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
Your 'expertise' is showing if you think Ahmedinjad speaks Arabic.
I didn't comment on the 3rd video because the audio wasn't good and I had difficulty understanding what was being said. So elected not to comment on it one way or the other.
The reason that I don't agree with how his comments were translated is that every instance that I was able to find out who the translators were they were either Israeli's or worked for Israeli funded organizations a la MEMRI.
On the other side of the argument you have actual linguists in Farsi breaking down the translation into it's component words and nowhere does 'wipe off' or 'map' appear. And usually the reply to that is 'yeah, but we all know what he meant! Genocide!' So now he didn't really say what we said he said, but you can trust us when we say we're sure we know what his intentions are? You're asking for an awful lot of trust from people who have done little to merit it.
And yes, I shall invoke Iraq yet again.
NewandExciting
June 7th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
I almost fell off my chair laughing when he linked to a MEMRI video on youtube as evidence.
Priceless!
Pariah Redux
June 7th, 2010 at 11:05 pm
America expanded (violently) from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Islam expanded (violently) from Arabia to the four corners of the globe. But here we have an anti-Israel propagandist who's apoplectic about Israel allegedly "expanding" from, comparatively, one grain of sand to another grain of sand a few inches away. And yet, the land involved was allotted to Israel (non-violently) by the League of Nations Mandate.
I'm happy for you that you can feel so ablaze with conviction and yet still be earth-shatteringly, jaw-droppingly WRONG. Not to mention, bigoted & hypocritical & brainwashed & sanctimonious & vicious & happy to apply a double standard coz it just makes you feel so damn righteous.
E. A. Costa
June 7th, 2010 at 11:08 pm
It's called Finance Capitalism.
See Vladimir Lenin, Imperialism: The Highest Form Of Capitalism
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/…
And the US is its last hurrah.
Pariah Redux
June 7th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
Herr Raimondo, after you take your meds, make sure you read Caroline Glick's latest article at jpost.com to see why Israel is indeed a hugely valuable ally of the USA. Her sensible, cogent, convincing arguments brilliantly highlight what a self-serving, juvenile, hysterical rant your own latest brain fart truly is by comparison.
Seeker
June 7th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
If Israel can deliberately lie about what precisely Ahmadinejad said, knowing that it could lead to a nuclear conflagration, killing nine peace activists is small potatoes.
abiman
June 7th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
Terrorist attack on Mexican Parliamnet by Israeli agents-
http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/10/13/17982.ht…
"Los Angeles, Alta California – October 12, 2001 – (ACN) We were alerted this morning by a subscriber from Mexico that two Israelis were arrested Wednesday inside the Palacio Legislativo de San Lбzaro (Mexican Congress) in Mexico City. Both were armed with 9 mm automatics and one was carrying a military hand grenade, electrical wiring and other bomb related materials. The Israeli Embassy at Sierra Madre 2155, colonia Lomas de Chapultepec has close its doors to the Mexican Press and are refusing to talk. The incident has been independently verified by La Voz de Aztlan through Mexican diplomatic, press and other sources in Mexico City."
MoT
June 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
Climb over the smoking rubble…? Like cockroaches? Cuz I hear they can withstand almost anything.
NewandExciting
June 7th, 2010 at 11:37 pm
I suppose the relatives of Count Bernodotte or the victims of the bombing at the King David Hotel might take exception with your characterization of Israel's allotment of territory being derived through 'non-violent' means.
This is how I interpret your statements concerning America, Islam, expansion and violence: 'Hey everyone else is doing it! Why not us?' Two wrongs don't make a right ring any bells?
The other flaw with that argument is that manifest destiny having occurred well before my birth was perpetrated without my consent or approval. So how can one be a hypocrite concerning things unalterably beyond control? In case it isn't clear, I am not in favor of genocide for any group. The survival of Israel hinges on it's ability to reach a just peace with its neighbors. 60+ years of jingoism has gotten them what? Security? Peace?
I can't hop into a time machine and right old wrongs, but I can make damn sure that wrongs that are underway get the attention they deserve.
Stuff Hillary
June 7th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
Why didn't Maxwell float….??
NewandExciting
June 7th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
I love your unintentional irony.
Pariah Redux
June 7th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
It's hardly an "old wrong" if YOU'RE an American who's living on land that once belonged to someone else, or if YOU'RE a Muslim Arab doing the same. Who is such a person to get on a high horse and impugn the irredentism of people whose ancestors were slaughtered or expelled? Criticism from such people has no weight, no credibility, and really just amounts to the greatest spectacle of shameless hypocrisy the world has ever seen.
Eddie Wilson
June 8th, 2010 at 12:01 am
…“Again I ask the question: What do the Israelis have on our politicians that makes them such whores? Dirty pictures? Threats of withholding campaign contributions? It’s really embarrassing as well as infuriating to see congress with its collective pants down around their legislative ankles just waiting for Israel to do it again.”
Now with Helen Thomas' capitulation, we may have the answer. It isn't internet porn records or pictures from the sheep-shagging incident (phew!). It must be plain old, "We'll kill everyone you ever loved" What else would turn an eighty-nine year old woman?
CCC
June 8th, 2010 at 12:05 am
What about his 3 statements claiming to have NOT been behind 9/11? Corporate media didn't shove those denials down your throat so you must have missed them:
n a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.
"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binlade…
OOPS!
CCC
June 8th, 2010 at 12:05 am
UMMAT: You have been accused of involvement in the attacks in New York and Washington. What do you want to say about this? If you are not involved, who might be?
USAMA BIN LADEN: In the name of Allah (God), the most beneficent, the most merciful. Praise be to Allah, Who is the creator of the whole universe and Who made the Earth as an abode for peace, for the whole humankind. Allah is the Sustainer, who sent Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) for our guidance. I am thankful to the Ummat Group of Publications, which gave me the opportunity to convey my viewpoint to the people, particularly the valiant and momin (true Muslim) people of Pakistan who refused to believe the lies of the demon (Pakistani military dictator General Pervez Musharraf).
I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam. All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel. There is also a warning for those Muslim countries, which witnessed all these as a silent spectator. What had earlier been done to the innocent people of Iraq, Chechnya and Bosnia? Only one conclusion could be derived from the indifference of the United States and the West to these acts of terror and the patronage of the tyrants by these powers that America is an anti-Islamic power and it is patronizing the anti-Islamic forces. Its friendship with the Muslim countries is just a show, rather deceit. By enticing or intimidating these countries, the United States is forcing them to play a role of its choice. Put a glance all around and you will see that the slaves of the United States are either rulers or enemies of Muslims.
The U.S. has no friends, nor does it want to keep any because the prerequisite of friendship is to come to the level of the friend or consider him at par with you. America does not want to see anyone equal to it. It expects slavery from others. Therefore, other countries are either its slaves or subordinates. However, our case is different. We have pledged slavery to God Almighty alone and after this pledge there is no possibility to become the slave of someone else. If we do that it will be disregardful to both our Sustainer and his fellow beings. Most of the world nations upholding their freedom are the religious ones, which are the enemies of the United States, or the U.S. itself considers them as its enemies.
The countries which do not agree to become the U.S. slaves are China, Iran, Libya, Cuba, Syria [Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iraq, Sudan, Indonesia, Malaysia] and Russia. Whoever committed the act of 11 September are not the friends of the American people. I have already said that we are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people have been killed. According to my information, the death toll is much higher than what the U.S. Government has stated. But the Bush Administration does not want the panic to spread. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the U.S. system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive. They can be anyone, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia. In the U.S. itself, there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups, which are capable of causing a large-scale destruction.
http://911review.com/articles/usamah/khilafah.htm…
CCC
June 8th, 2010 at 12:12 am
Apparently in Justins mind they are capable of "anything"…….except involvement in 9/11. I call BS. 9/11 was American AND Israeli made. Justin and all other cowards who ignore this are a part of the problem and are contributing to continuing the islamophobic "war on terror". I like a lot of the guys articles too, but in the end if you support the 9/11 lie you support the actions of the warmonger elite, both in Israel and the US.
abiman
June 8th, 2010 at 12:12 am
"About Me
I grew up in Chicago's ultra-liberal, anti-American and anti-Israel stronghold of Hyde Park"-Caroline Glick in her own words.
Well she was IDF member, she is the writer of Israel and Global Jihad and was ' US Army embedded Jounalist in Iraq war" and was part of Nethanhyoo governemnt onetime.
Her commnetsinclude -"the war against Israel and the war against the U.S. are one and the same’
"Robert Fulford, a columnist at the National Post, has described Glick admiringly as a “ferocious Zionist hawk among Israel’s journalists –. “She believes we should stop defining the Arab-Israel conflict as a territorial dispute and instead see Israel as the front line in the struggle against jihad.
Glick featured in "Radical Islam’s War against the West, "-
http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Glick_…
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MvGuy
June 8th, 2010 at 12:25 am
America's No. 1 Welfare Queen only needs to "protect" it's citizens because it is taking land at the point of a gun from the people who have been there a thousand years… Go BACK… to your borders of the first theft. and maybe things will improve… Trying to murder and torture your victime into submission is a dangerous doing… Your abuse of the Palestinians seems much like the abuse you received in the past… Isn't this another sad case of the abused becoming the abusers??? See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgCq2TrQrDQ
Jeremiah
June 8th, 2010 at 1:33 am
These hasbara fellows are a hoot. It's a good thing for Israel that its "existential" status doesn't depend on the quality of its internet propaganda—or they'd be totally screwed.
Jeremiah
June 8th, 2010 at 2:05 am
Who, then, are the descendants and heirs proper of the Canaanites? By your logic, wouldn't they have sounder title to the region?
MvGuy
June 7th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
Justin seems to have , along with Helen Thomas been driven a bit off the deep end by the attack on the flotilla… One MUST remember …that at this site, one is AUTOMATICALLY sent to the moderation dock for the mere mention of the ethnic appellation of the people in control in Israel. With this fact in mind we must conclude that events, not prior enmity have caused these lapses we have witnessed lately.. Did people get a little down on Germans at large when the Reich began it's murder Mayhem spree across Europe in the 1930s..??? I myself have succumb to the terrible invective and said things which I should not have thought, much less said… We should look at the just perpetrated Israeli destructive binge as another sad case of the abused becoming the abuser and the self indulgent parents and grown ups who never punished the poor child no matter how horrific their behavior….. In fact [in this case] they don't even with-hold their allowance as they crush skulls and engage in every delinquency imaginable!! What we have here is a sociopath spoiled child of a state with a pathological electorate. They are our enemy not so much as they are our adopted spoiled child-Frankenstein.. to be cured and not demonized or hated.. But with no tough love on the horizon, we can only expect more outrageous incidents and behavior until someone with a strong mind comes along to administer some remedial treatment…. P.S. I just got off the phone with my best friend who is )ewish and we spoke not a word about the latest outrage…. Like it never occurred…. I'm afraid he too may be under the spell…. and he knows I am not too keen on blood being spilt by the state to quiet the unruly… Jus thought I should mention it… You may find this apt too.. http://911studies.com
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john F
June 8th, 2010 at 3:11 am
Antiwar.com has always prized its respectability over all else. It wasn't just 9-11 that this site refused to question as part of a wider conspiracy. There was also the very curious and very illuminating case of Ernst Zundel.
Zundel is a rather outrageous and very politically incorrect figure. He especially likes to tweak the noses of the establishment. He questioned the number of people killed in the (capital H) Holocaust and seemed to have a little too much affection for Corporal Schicklgruber. What Zundel did whoever that especially caused him problems was that he started questioning 9-11. Before that transgression he was simply an irritant that could be ignored by the establishment, nothing more.
Zundel is also probably the first person not NOT connected with charges of Mideast terrorism to to have been rendered off US soil with the full cooperation of the US government for a free speech transgression. He was first illegally arrested in Arkansas on a spurious immigration violation despite having an American wife and having had lived in the US for several years. He didn't receive any sort of proper hearing before being transported by special plane to Canada where he was then put into prison two years on hate crime charges.He was never given a trail before his peers which can normally be demanded under Canadian law. It was during this two year period that the Canadian government did its best to either drive him insane or destroy his health. Among other things, he was held in solitary confinement for two years in a cell in which the light overhead was never turned off. He was denied both fresh laundry and showers for extended periods. He was forced to sleep on a concrete slab without regular bedding. He was even denied shoes which were necessary to prevent the transfer of the winter cold off the prison's concrete prison floors. A casual observer might have actually imagined that the Canadians were doing their best to deliberately break his health or kill him. This wasn't all however. His legal counsel was continually harassed and threatened with punishment for simply representing him.
Then, after his two years in solitary confinement, he was further rendered on to Germany in a special plane to stand trial for the terrible sin of holocaust denial, a crime which is apparently immune to the protection of US and European free speech laws. He was convicted after a a show trial that could only be described as an absolute mockery of justice during which Zundel's lawyers were again harassed and threatened with imprisonment. He was sentenced to a further five years in a German prison. (One of the lawyers was later actually put in jail for three years for having had the timerity to try to provide him with an adequate defense.). If you think this sort of harassment of lawyers can be ignored because such harassment only occurs to right wing lawyers defending fringe characters, think again. This same thing was done here in the US to left wing lawyer Lynn Stewart who was imprisoned for little more than flouting proprietary by supplying adequate representation to US Muslims accused of terrorism.)
I had only became aware of Zundel's case a few years after it had commenced, just after he had been returned to Germany. As I read about his situation a little light bulb went off in my head My very wise father had predicted many years before that the concept of free speech would first be attacked on the fringes. These attacks would be directed at marginal, unpopular characters (like Zundel) in order to soften up the defenses. Only after this initial softening would the attacks begin on the more respectable mainstream media. Unfortunately at that point, the defenses had been been breached and the concept of free speech had already would have already been lost. (Witness what happened recently to Helen Thomas, a fixture of the mainstream media for attacking Israel and The Lobby).
After becoming aware of what was going in the Zundel case I got on the Antiwar.com site and did a search using the world "Zundel," expecting there to be some sort of mention of this travesty of justice. I found to my astonishment, nothing. Not a word. Not even the slightest mention of what this man had undergone. Apparently Antiwar.com was being as politically correct and timid as the Mainstream media it regularly decried. This is the same desire for respectability that led it to ridicule questions about 9-11. In the five years that followed his rendering to Germany Antiwar.com never mentioned his name once.
John F
June 8th, 2010 at 3:11 am
Continued:
Then I found sites that weren't afraid to risk their credibility in the pursuit of justice. Whatreallyhappened.com (WRH) fully covered the Zundel case from its very beginning all the way up to Zundel's recent release after seven years. WRH, unlike Antiwar.com also presented all sides of the 9-11 controversy. There were also many other sites which showed more than a little backbone in this regard.
Antiwar.com unfortunately has up to the present day continually believed that timidity was the better part of valor.
Needless to say I then started to ignore Antiwar.com and its entreaties for funds. It had simply become for me a no so benign curiosity, in effect one of the main defenders of the the Bin Laden myth on the non Neocon right.
Ex Reagan cabinet member Paul Craig Roberts was recently interviewed on Russia Today. He said at the time that was leaving journalism because virtually all of his access to the mainstream media had been cut off because of his criticism of Israel and the 9-11 investigation. The final blow for him was when Antiwar.com froze him out as well because of Robert's positions on 9-11. It was this rejection by Antiwar.com that was particularly hurtful to him.
The question then arises, what exactly is Antiwar.com. Is it a beacon of liberty or is it simply the controlled opposition. I still don't know.
RodW
June 8th, 2010 at 3:50 am
Compare the reaction of the White House to Helen Thomas saying the Israelis should "go home" to Poland, and their reaction to Israel murdering an American citizen in a pirate raid. Of course it's Helen Thomas who committed the real outrage there…
canuck
June 8th, 2010 at 5:14 am
Your what-ifs will never happen. Not in this lifetime. Never will America under the terrible two party system elect a government with a real voice that will challenge those that pay the bills and terrorize those that do dare stray from the Israeli message.
America is a basket case of debt, crumbling under a political system that is fueled by money and not ideas. Israel will take advantage of this weakness and will exploit it for the foreseeable future.
E. A. Costa
June 8th, 2010 at 7:57 am
WASHINGTON – June 7 – 2010
JOHN QUIGLEY
Professor of international law at Ohio State University, Quigley said today: "Contrary to what many are claiming, including the New York Times in a front-page article on the Gaza flotilla, the Mavi Marmara, the vessel on which deaths occurred, is not Turkish-flagged. Although formerly Turkish-flagged, the Mavi Marmara was Comoros-flagged by the time of last week's incident. The point may be of some significance, because Comoros, unlike Turkey, is a party to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court. The Court has jurisdiction over war crimes committed on vessels registered in a state that is party to the Rome Statute."
FRANCIS BOYLE
Professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law in Champaign, Boyle said today: "The highest level officials of the Israeli government who ordered the attack upon the Mavi Marmara can be prosecuted by the International Criminal Court: Prime Minister Netanyahu, Defense Minister Barak, Foreign Minister Lieberman, General Ashkenazi and the rest of the Israeli council of seven ministers who ordered this criminal attack. Furthermore, under the ICC's Rome Statute any state party has the power to demand that these Israeli governmental officials be prosecuted."
Boyle's books include "Tackling America's Toughest Questions." See: "Is the Israeli Blockade of
Gaza Against the Law?"
IPA
NewandExciting
June 8th, 2010 at 5:26 am
Again what is with only answering one part of the questions or issues I've raised? All you're saying is that I'm guilty because you say I am guilty over something that I had no control over. Something that if I had control over I would have opposed vigorously. But that doesn't matter to you. That it happened was enough to forfeit any 'right' to opposition.
What you are demonstrating is a very old legal precept that most civilized countries have disposed of and that is the concept of crimes being inheritable. 'You're father was an SOB, but since we can't get him we'll hang you instead.' THAT'S your justice? I'm sorry, but that puts you in the same company as some Christian nuts who view all Jews as christ killers. How do you like them apples?
NewandExciting
June 8th, 2010 at 5:35 am
Israel =/= Jews
But nice try attempting to conflate the two.
Why is it mis-information is your stock and trade? Or hyperbole? Oh yes we are all obviously hysterical bigoted people because we disagree with the actions of the Israeli government because the government and the people they govern or people they are related to by culture and religion are always and forevermore indivisible. Sorry, but I don't buy into your rhetorical 'package deal.' To coin and old phrase, 'Every barrel sits on it's own bottom.'
NewandExciting
June 8th, 2010 at 5:48 am
To be fair her comments were bit incendiary. Many of those living in Israel at present are no more Polish or German than I'm English or Irish. We're too far removed from the mother country, so to speak. In my opinion, the key to Israeli peace is adherence to the 1967 borders and a completely secular government where ones Jewishness or lack thereof is a non-issue. The expulsion of all Jews back to some imagined point of origin be it Poland or Russia or Germany is not anymore just then the desire some have expressed that all Arabs living in Israel and the occupied territories be deported to Jordan or Lebanon.
Fred B.
June 8th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
First, you should try to find the quotation in which Ahmadinejad vowed to wipe Israel off the map. He did say that according to the late Ayatollah, the Zionist regime would be removed from the page of time. Something like Reagan saying that the Soviet Union would end up in the dust-bin of history. Did Reagan want to nuke Russia? Does Iran want to nuke the Muslim holy sites in Jerusalem? Even if A'jad is the devil, the next Hitler, etc, his last term in office will run out in 3 years. Next thing you will be stating is that the armed Israelis who landed on the aid ship in international waters were innocent victims of aggression.
dfdfdfd
June 8th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Ahamadinajad was NOT mistranslated
Juan Cole is a liar
http://www.slate.com/id/2140947/
Advocat4Liberty
June 8th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
They should have been met with overwhelming violence. The minor injuries that they suffered at the hands of people defending themselves is trivial compared to the murders they committed. Every pirate who participated should be hung. "We were only following orders" was answered by the gallows at Nuremberg.
CCC
June 8th, 2010 at 5:08 pm
I think its increasingly clear its the latter. Dov Zakheim thanks you Justin. No better than the neocons if you accept the 9/11 myth….
Advocat4Liberty
June 8th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Strange thing, Guy, a lot of us here in Amerika don't recognize their "right to exist" as presently constituted either. The League of Nations, UK, and other Western powers were in the wrong when they gave the land (which they didn't own) to the zionists. They were wrong in condoning the ethnic cleansing that drove millions of inhabitants from their homes and land. The state of Israel, as it is presently constituted, will not last. Doesn't mean everyone there will die, just that they will go elsewhere. What's the matter, Guy? Don't want to leave your government-subsidized housing? Tough shit.
Koleby Nidreson
June 8th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
Here you go, Georges: http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php…
A much bigger mountain of evidence than your thin pile of hasbara.
Jeremiah
June 8th, 2010 at 8:03 pm
That reminds me: I need to get out my copy of Treasure Island!
Nothing like a little fantastical, fictional buccaneering to temporarily remove us from the hard reality of real pirates and murderers.
Jeremiah
June 8th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
(NOTE: The anti-war.com moderation filter apparently catches posts that use [or maybe "over-use"?] a certain common ethno-religious designation that is NOT a slur and is in fact pretty difficult NOT to use when discussing Israel, Palestine, etc. In any case, I'm posting the following, now ridiculously censored message again.)
Very well, then. You're not "remotely interested in 'hasbara.'" Then please candidly answer the following questions without resort to blanket accusations that your critics are simply "J**-haters":
1.) What do you think of the relative cultural, intellectual and biological attainments of the Levantine Arabs—if you will, the rough sum total of their human worth—when compared to that of Israeli J ** s?
2.) Is it imperative that Israel remain a J ** ish majority state? If Israel is to remain a J **ish state, what is to be done with the region's apparently growing native Arab population? Does the solution in any wise depend upon your answer to question No. 1?
3.) Does something unique to Israel's situation or status give it the exclusive right to use violent tactics at sea (as in forced boardings in International Waters) and on land (e.g., the use of such antipersonnel weapons as white phosphorus and cluster bombs against civilian populations) that are forbidden to other nations under international law?
4.) Do J ** ish people have exclusive rights to the modern territory called Israel? Whence do these rights derive? And would they be recognized under any modern system of jurisprudence? What are—or what should be—the borders of modern Israel? Please be specific.
5.) Why should American citizens be loyal to Israel? That is, beyond vague celebrations of a common cause against the Islamo-Fascist bogey, what *concrete* benefits do average Americans derive from the "special relationship"? Further, if I were to say that, as an American, I most desire individual liberty and peaceable enjoyment of the shade of my own hard-won vine and fig tree, can you explain how my government's full support of the state of Israel will help me effect such ends?
And please don't stint on details.
Dan Raphael
June 8th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
Justin Raimondo is my favorite right-wing commentator, bar none. I value his writing and am glad for his voice. He's a crucial part of what makes this site one of the most valuable stops on the internet.
That said, I lament the title of this article and the thinking that is both cause and effect of it. We MUST stop the tribal nationalism that "types" entire nations or locales; our enemies are NOT the residents of this nation or that–and it's important to keep that clear in how we speak. It isn't "those damned Russians" or "those American pigs" or any other national grouping that is the cause of our difficulties. Of course, I understand that this is shorthand for something more specific…but one very good reason to not use such shorthand, is that it effectively erases those objectors and countervailing views that might change matters around in ways more to our liking. Is Mordecai Vanunu–once again in prison inside Israel–not worthy of consideration? How about the 15,000 inside Israel who demonstrated against the recent boardings of the Gaza aid flotilla?
We need to sustain faith and solidarity with these people who are often struggling in very hostile environments. No, Israel is not the enemy–it is Zionism, and specifically that most racialist, militarized version that currently rides the saddle in the Israeli government.
V for Vendetta
June 8th, 2010 at 8:33 pm
Agreed, but it is something to do until the situation spins totally out of control. And it is no longer a question of if that will happen; It is a question of when.
No Apologies
June 8th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
Guy, keeping wearing yourself out flapping your gums. The world is rapidly catching on to this con game.
No Apologies
June 8th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
we should post a "please don't feed the shills" sign next to their cages …
Pariah … so aptly named.
Jeremiah
June 8th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
Excellent points. I think that even the most circumspect of people fall into hysteria and hyperbole now and then—especially when faced with gross injustice and bestial inhumanity—but it's something we all ought to guard against.
For all the anger displayed here against Israeli policy, I doubt you could find a handful, even among the anonymous posters, who earnestly wish suffering upon the common people of that country. I myself am sometimes guilty of emotional overstatement, but in my inmost heart I bear no more enmity toward the *innocent* children of Isaac than toward the *innocent* children of Ishmael (or those of any father, for that matter). It is the *guilty*—the *guilty* of all races and professed religions who avail themselves of the awful power of the state to plunder, enslave and murder the innocent—whom I hate. My enemy is the state—ours AND theirs.
And I think most people here will agree with me in essence—including Mr. Raimondo.
E. A. Costa
June 8th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Raimondo has always been vigorously antiwar and anti-Imperialist, as was Rothbard,and for that he gets respect, whatever his other views.
On the other hand, in the midst of Finance Capitalist collapse, not being able to figure out the obvious connections between Capitalism, Imperialism, and War in the contemporary world is somewhat curious to say the least.
Jeremiah
June 8th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
And, BTW, Justin Raimondo is one of my absolute favorite commentators, too. If I remember correctly, I discovered him via a linked article on lewrockwell.com. That was a couple years ago, when I was just discovering that the internet, when used properly, is a wonderful way to bypass the pap and propaganda fed to us by the MSM.
He also helped me discover the writings of the Old Right—and for that (and his lucid commentary on all these dirty deeds done . . . uh, expensively) I heartily thank him.
Advocat4Liberty
June 9th, 2010 at 2:20 am
Schmuck, you certainly picked an apt name. Why don't you defect to Israel already?
Anti_republocrat
June 9th, 2010 at 3:48 am
Yes. People need to understand that the purpose of the MIC is NOT to bring peace and stability to the world. It's purpose is to create instability and war, in order to justify its own existence. When we realize this, we understand that Israel is indeed an indispensable cog in the MIC.
Fred B.
June 9th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
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NewandExciting
June 9th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
I don't think Justin has been unable to figure out the connections between Capitalism, Imperialism and War, but rather that he has certain specific areas that fall under those three headings that he writes about rather than trying to tie it all together. Maybe he should write a book since an opinion column on a website might not be the best format for tackling such a large issue.
MST
June 9th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
I'd lay good money there's a nuke in the basement of the Israeli embassy in D.C. brought over in the diplomatic pouch. That might help to explain the reluctance of U.S. politicians to do anything about a true "rogue" state like Israel. The Israelis have expressed a willingness to go the "Samson" route before.
Also, I'd like to see more discussion of the bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon. According to Victor Ostrovsky, the Israelis were aware of the coming attack, but chose not to warn the Americans, supposedly for fear of compromising intelligence sources. If true, that would show that Raimondo's statment here:
"If the Israelis are capable of this – standing pat while information they held could have prevented the worst terrorist attack in American history – then they’re capable of anything."
Is not farfetched at all and has some basis in fact.
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Advocat4Liberty
June 15th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
You base your opinion on the ramblings of this Israel Firster and proven neocon liar? No wonder our country is going down the tubes. We're being overrun by morons.
TheDailySketch
June 16th, 2010 at 8:33 am
Bryan Hemming: Masked, Missing and Mossad – Are the Three Connected?
Six passengers disappear without trace from the crowded deck of a ship. Normally, we might expect family members to report their loss in an incident beamed across the world. As yet, it appears no family members have come forward to report their disappearance. No government has inquired about the loss of its citizens. For all intents and purposes, we can suppose that nobody knew them; they were all loners without family or friends. But it seems impossible that the only ones who disappeared were precisely the same ones who nobody knew. By now, you have guessed the ship was the Mavi Marmara attempting to deliver aid to Gaza. http://dailysketcher.blogspot.com/2010/06/bryan-h…
ZionismIsRacism
June 18th, 2010 at 10:09 am
Here! Here!
ZionismIsRacism
June 18th, 2010 at 10:10 am
You are working overtime hasbara troll! Did you just get a payday from more embellished american tax dollars?
ZionismIsRacism
June 18th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Your entire existence is hasbara, joorip I'm proud of you, looks like you finally got a better grasp of English. However, your pathetic attempt to tout increased eloquence doesn't deflect from your rank and asinine stupidity. Just because you have gotten better than saying "you forgot to take your meds" (oh wait you DID say that one again) or "caliphate" and whatever other useless dreck/drivel you used to spout doesn't make you any less transparent.
You (or your handlers/employers) have FINALLY realized that the rest of the world knows that all of israel's "supporters" are paid propagandists so you need to make yourself look more human, it must have been VERY difficult for you, having sacrificed your soul to shill for a paycheck and everything.
ZionismIsRacism
June 18th, 2010 at 10:24 am
Your entire existence is hasbara. Joorip I'm proud of you, you FINALLY learned english. Your pathetic attempt to tout increased eloquence to be perceived as a different person failed miserably, good try though.
antiwar censors – im ashamed of you. nice try though.
censored
June 18th, 2010 at 10:25 am
Your entire existence is hasbara. Joorip I'm proud of you, you FINALLY learned english. Your pathetic attempt to tout increased eloquence to be perceived as a different person failed miserably, good try though.
antiwar censors – im ashamed of you. nice try though.
censored
June 18th, 2010 at 10:26 am
hey look its joorip!
censored
June 18th, 2010 at 10:27 am
joorip! we missed you.
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