This Says It All
Israelis kill American – Joe Biden says: "What's the big deal?"
What is US foreign policy in the Middle East all about – and for whose benefit is it being conducted? In two short paragraphs, this news story says it all:
"The U.S. confirmed that an American citizen, identified as 19-year-old Furkan Dogan, was killed by multiple gunshots during the Israeli raid on a flotilla carrying activists attempting to run a blockade of the Gaza Strip.
"State Department spokesman Philip J. Crowley said the U.S. has made no decision on a response to Dogan’s death."
Apparently official Washington is torn between issuing a mild protest, and thanking them.
"Protecting the welfare of American citizens is a fundamental repsponsibility of our government," Hillary Clinton assured the media, "and one that we take very seriously" – but not seriously enough to issue an official protest. "We are in constant contact with the Israeli government attempting to obtain more information about our citizens." Do they want to know how many holes the IDF put in Furkan Dogan’s head before they make a decision on a response?
In reality, the US already made a response in the form of Vice President Joe "Loose Cannon" Biden, who, when asked about the attack on the flotilla, said: "So what’s the big deal here?"
At the time he said it, the odds were fair that an American citizen – out of nine with the flotilla — was among the dead. Now that it’s been confirmed, I wonder if it’s dawned on our dim-witted Vice President that it is indeed a very big deal.
In a brazen act of international piracy, the Israelis boarded a ship in international waters and killed an American citizen – so what is the American government going to do about it?
The answer is: nothing, zero, nada, zilch. Israel refuses to let an international investigation look into the matter, and Biden is cool with that, as he told Charlie Rose:
"Biden: We passed a resolution in the UN saying we need a transparent and open investigation of what happened. It looks like things are…
"Rose: International investigation?
"Biden: Well, an investigation run by the Israelis, but we’re open to international participation."
That’s certainly impartial, fair, and transparent – let the Israelis investigate themselves! No, Biden isn’t stupid: he’s smart enough to know the Israelis will never be held accountable by our government, and that any attempt to do so would be aborted before it ever became known.
The reason for this peculiar passivity is because, contra Hillary, protecting the welfare of American citizens is not considered a fundamental responsibility of our government insofar as it means protecting their welfare against the government of Israel. In any conflict between American and Israeli interests, Washington’s instinctive response is to uphold the latter and ignore the former. Under the Bush administration, such a conflict of interests was considered impossible: the very idea that there could be daylight between Washington and Tel Aviv on any given issue was considered heretical. Even under the Bushies, however, there was still some vague stirrings of American independence, especially toward the end of the second term. And they never had to face a situation like this, in which an American citizen in transit was murdered by our faithful "allies." That kind of thing hasn’t happened since the sinking of the USS Liberty – and it may be a sign of what’s to come that a survivor of that heinous assault was traveling with the flotilla, too.
In the case of the USS Liberty, the whole thing was covered up in a shameful act of official suppression: against the testimony of the sailors on that ship, 34 of whom were killed, the US government ruled that the savage Israeli assault was a tragic "accident." Yet US government officials knew the truth. As then secretary of state Dean Rusk later put it:
"I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. Their sustained attack to disable and sink Liberty precluded an assault by accident or some trigger-happy local commander. Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn’t believe them then, and I don’t believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous."
So is this attack outrageous, but if the US government can whitewash the Israeli murder of 34 American sailors, it can overlook the murder of a single American in nearly identical circumstances.
Of course, this is not 1967: the news of an American’s death at the hands of the IDF is being transmitted around the world, even as I write this, and all the details are coming out: the pitilessness of the Israelis, young Furkan’s idealism, and the horrific circumstances of his death.
What is being transmitted, above all, is the braying arrogance of the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, and his media shills, as they deride the dead as "terrorists looking for trouble." Bizarrely, the Vice President of the United States is joining right in, declaring that Israel had a "right" to board the ships and detain the passengers because it has a "right" to ensure its own "security" – yet the ships were inspected by the Turkish government in Cyprus before they left, and found to contain only items such as building material and children’s toys. The Israelis, as part of their serio-comic propaganda offensive, are triumphantly showing off a cache of "weapons" found on the ship – which looks like nothing more than a collection of old kitchen knives and a couple of metal poles.
An American is killed as heavily armed soldiers of a foreign nation board a ship in international waters, firing live ammunition at the passengers as they rappel onto the deck. Among those passengers: a former US ambassador, a former US colonel and Pentagon official, several members of the European parliament, a member of the Israeli Knesset, and members of parliament from several Arab countries.
Imagine if Iran had done this. Washington would have reverberated with the sound of thunder emanating from the White House, and the attack fleet would already be steaming toward the Gulf, taking up position. That the culprit was Israel, however, puts a whole different face on the matter, at least as far as our government is concerned: they’re content to let the Israelis "investigate," and let the matter drop.
For years, some of us have been saying that the government of Israel and its partisans in this country exercise a decisive – and unhealthy – influence on the making and execution of US foreign policy. We’ve been accused of everything from anti-Semitism to pushing "conspiracy theories," and yet the Mediterranean Massacre – and our government’s non-response – underscores that, if anything, we’ve been underestimating the extent to which the US takes its orders directly from Tel Aviv.
The Israel Lobby controls official Washington: Congress is, as Pat Buchanan trenchantly observed, "Israeli-occupied territory." Yet one would think that, in spite of these circumtances, the wanton murder of an American on the high seas by Israeli commandos would provoke an angry response from Washington. Unfortunately, one would be wrong.
Instead, what we have is the grotesque spectacle of our Vice President commending the Israelis, and the US and Israel scrambling to come up with a "joint response." What more proof do we need that the US government is the political equivalent of occupied Palestine, where truth and justice are under blockade?
For years, they’ve been spying on us, collaborating with our enemies, stealing our secrets, manipulating our politicians, and now they’ve gone so far as to murder one of our citizens on neutral ground – and still our government cannot manage even a peep of protest. A more disgusting display of cowardice would be hard to imagine.
We attacked Iraq in large part due to the influence of the Lobby, and we are gearing up for an armed conflict with Iran in response to the same sort of pressure: will we now countenance the execution of one of our own citizens in order to appease Tel Aviv?
This was no "accident." The Israeli government knew precisely what it was doing, it knew there were Americans on those ships, and chose to go in guns blazing: it was the equivalent of spitting in Uncle Sam’s face.
After all, how dare those Americans try to freeze the building of settlements in what is "Greater Israel"? How dare Obama tell us what we can and cannot do?! We’ll show them! Let’s kill a few. Don’t worry – they won’t retaliate. We own them: and they know it.
In view of the Obama administration’s shameful crawling, one can hardly disagree. Which raises a question: how many American lives are to be sacrificed on the altar of the "special relationship"? It’s a question to which one doesn’t really want to know the answer.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Up Against the FBI – May 23rd, 2013
- Antiwar.com vs. the FBI – May 21st, 2013
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013





epppie
June 4th, 2010 at 4:24 am
There are no limits, there are no boundaries.
Johnny in Wi.
June 4th, 2010 at 4:26 am
You have said it all except this. These traitors have to be overthrown. I don't know how or when but it has to be done. I hope it can be done peacefully.
NadePaulKuciGravMcKi
June 4th, 2010 at 6:11 am
~ all Israel all the time ~
2% of the US population
Heathcliff_Maw
June 4th, 2010 at 6:11 am
"Our" government's complicity in Israel's crimes ought to upset those fat asses in the Tea Party, but you can bet your bottom dollar that they are instead parroting the line of pro-Israel propaganda they hear on Fox News. Rupert Murdoch is a dedicated (non-Jewish) Zionist.
dan
June 4th, 2010 at 6:21 am
don't forget Rachel Corrie was murdered by the IDF too without a peep from our worthless government.
I guess American idealists and or antiwar types (and even military for that matter) can be murdered with impunity by our despicable little apartheid "ally". campaign contributions trump lousy citizens every time.
Bill
June 4th, 2010 at 7:23 am
The current government of the US is an illegitimate, outlaw government.
Montaigne
June 4th, 2010 at 7:43 am
I thought i both heard and read repeatedly, that americans should be safer from terrorist attacks with all that military and foreign bases and occupations "over there". So will the USA let it's navy escort the next ship with Americans on a similar mission? Are they taking measures to grab the guilty killers? Prosecute their leaders? Don't hide such news.
Will
June 4th, 2010 at 7:49 am
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2010/06/02/20…
augustus818
June 4th, 2010 at 8:37 am
I guess the only question left is, will this anchor that we call "ally" drag us down into the depths or will we find it in ourselves to cut off the spoiled sociopathic brat that is Israel? Don't answer that, Biden already has. If it's the former (which I have no doubt to think otherwise) then let this be the beginning of the end for the Empire. It may be a heavy price we commoner's pay in the interim. But it always has been. I'm willing to go without, if it leads to something more sane, rational, and voluntary.
freedom013102
June 4th, 2010 at 9:17 am
Our entire government (save a couple) are traitors. Their power is such that Presidents have feared them. It's an enemy that controls every aspect of American society. Loyal Americans are their slaves and most don't even know it. An enemy that completely surrounds us.
pwi
June 4th, 2010 at 9:40 am
but however it is an elected, offical government.
pwi
June 4th, 2010 at 9:41 am
I thought Obama claimed the right to assasinate US citizens oversees.
If so the Biden is right…what's the big deal?
Hacklheber
June 4th, 2010 at 9:53 am
"Israel obeyed international law: Legally, the Gaza flotilla conflict is an open-and-shut case" ??
But then
"Alan Dershowitz"
What a clown.
pwi
June 4th, 2010 at 10:17 am
How can it be done peacefully? Better have your rifle and ammo ready and be willing to kill. If not then I think those that might have both the ability and willingness to do so with violence may not be the type of people you want taking over.
pwi
June 4th, 2010 at 10:23 am
The tea party that has already shown it will be a political force incumbents will have to deal with. As compared to the anti-war movement that, even with Bush in the White House, was not a force to be concerned about, not a force that got a single war stopped or any sort of dcent numbers of third party canidates voted in.
Democrats know they can discount you. You won't be voting for the Republican and thus you won't be voting for the only other canidate on the ballot they could lose to.
Now with Obama waging wars with the lefties aboard, no need for an anti-war (bush) movement now.
Lloyd G.
June 4th, 2010 at 10:27 am
"Our" government's complicity in Israel's crimes ought to upset 'progressive' Democrats as well, but the talking heads on MSNBC and the great thinkers on HuffPo are, for the most part, parroting IDF propaganda. Any criticism of Israel from such sources has been of the "Maybe the Israelis should have handled this differently … But Israel has the right to defend itself" variety. Face it, Left and Right politics in the US mean nothing when it comes to Israel and war.
Resist
June 4th, 2010 at 10:32 am
Some still wana believe that …… "actually" ….. Israeli civilians were attacked by Turkish commandos on a Korean sub in the Gulf of Mexico … that's why they think Gaza got nothing to do with this tortilla …. and that they are not too suffering if they ask for tortillas. As a matter of fact, Joe Biden can proof all that from satallite images, same source which once used by Collin Powel in the UN to proof that Iraq had WMD …
Jerr-Berlin
June 4th, 2010 at 10:47 am
Hi Justin,
…great article however, the American citizen who was murdered, left for Turkey (I'm assuming with his family) at the age of two…so he wasn't a "real" American
liberal
June 4th, 2010 at 11:17 am
The antiwar movements wasn't created and aided by major television networks, unlike the so-called Tea Party.
liberal
June 4th, 2010 at 11:18 am
He was indeed a real American, unless you've ripped the 14th Amendment to the Constitution out o the latter.
abiman
June 4th, 2010 at 11:20 am
Immediately after 911 attacks on Twin Tower ,Mexican parliament was attacked by some "unidentified".
terrorist. Mexican daily newspaper (?Azltamn ) reported that the attackers were Israeli citizen and connencted to Isareli embassy who were caught but was released as Isarel mounted enormous pressure on Mexican governemnt. There were Mexican casulalties. Nothing happened back then. Not one mainstream news outlet in US reported the incident.
Anonymous
June 4th, 2010 at 11:32 am
Soon to be 33% of the supreme court.
john
June 4th, 2010 at 11:50 am
Joe Biden is only interested in having his son follow in his footsteps, becoming a Senator from Delaware. To this end he arranged for a sycophant to now serve, promisisng to bow out, when his son Beau was ready to run. There is no way Joe would risk the ire of AIPAC in his quest to make the Senate seat the personal property of the Biden family. Here is a guy who not only supports Israeli terror against the U.S., but a person whose overwhelming lack of pride allowed himself to be personally insulted by Netenyahu. If the israelis got away with attackng the Liberty, why should they refrain from puttting five bullets into a nineteen year old? It seems the IDF is well trained to assaignate women and children; they''ve been doing it since 1948. And Hillary? She wants to lament over the attack on a South Korean vessel while the U.S. since 1967 has been silent on the attack on a U.S. ship by Israel. Then of course the tea-baggers occupy themselves with restrictions and violence agaisnt Mexicans who just come to work in restaurants, harvest crops, or landcape our lawns, while this country has already been taken over by another nation–Israel.
musings
June 4th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Pardon me if I have this wrong, but wasn't Rachel Corrie also an American? And weren't there American retirees and vacationers in Lebanon during Israel's bombing of that country, including the destruction of its airport? And didn't our Congress issue a blank check approval of Israel's actions? If the Turkish-American boy had been named John Smith instead of what he is named, which does not sound as "native", even though he was a citizen, he could hardly have been expected to fare better in this present atmosphere.
In my opinion, nothing will change until (perhaps under the influence of a wider understanding of the USS Liberty story), it will be considered cowardice for any politician to run away from confronting Israel when our citizens are killed, and to allow it to investigate itself without our FBI and others becoming involved. Whenever something like this happens to another nation, they recall their ambassadors for consultation.
Nations cannot have permanent intimate friends who can "do no wrong." Israel should not have some sort of sovereign immunity. They are not our sovereign. Even marriages involve differences in which the spouses take issue. Israel is not even a marital partner. The only answer as to why our politicians do not confront is that fear holds too much sway. When you are afraid of offending another country, you are in an abusive relationship. The intimidation itself is the evidence for that.
A series of leaders which puts up with such abuse is unworthy of leadership, and there will be a generational price to pay at some point.
Lloyd G.
June 4th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
For what it's worth, our gov't has killed over 4,000 of its own troops in a war started at the behest of Israeli dual-citizens. Lives –American or other — mean nothing to these people.
Brodajo
June 4th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
When I was a kid, living on the millhill and people allowed their dogs to run loose. Every now and then a bitch (female) would come in heat and dogs (males) would come from everywhere to get in on the action. There would be dogs fighting day and night causing quite a bit of trouble. Someone would finally call the police, they would come over, shoot the bitch and all the problems would be over. ISRAEL IS A BITCH!! It's time to take her out.
Farmer Giles
June 4th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
Don't forget the murder of Rachel Corrie, who was bull-dozed over by the Israelis while acting as a human shield in front of a Palestinian house.
MichaelKenny
June 4th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Just imagine the howling and screeching there would have been if the Iranian navy had killed an American citizen.
Mhstahl
June 4th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Perhaps that's the problem.
MoT
June 4th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
Links to said "attacks" would be appreciated. Otherwise it's rumor. I'd like to know.
musings
June 4th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
I think I get that. Those who look at the "Faces of the Fallen" and realize that whatever the motives of the powerful, it does not move them hat these valuable lives are sacrificed for vague non-goals and to keep alive a GWOT which approves assassinations and drone strikes on civilians. Yet it moves me. My politicians do not represent my views, and the money-driven election process does not produce alternatives.
The investment rats are leaving a sinking ship. They think that by going elsewhere on the globe – to China, say, they can save themselves. Venture capital for new businesses looks elsewhere. Joblessness grows. Here it is "sauve qui peut." Fine. We'll get through, but we must cut our support for those who would continue to lead us to war, and who offer war service as a form of employment for the unemployed.
There must be a new generation of counter-cultural drop-outs and squatters. They must laugh at the slogans and flout the conventional wisdom, and literally take back the country. But they will be met with same kind of reaction as the flotilla did, as soon as the powers that be catch on that they are no longer believed or respected.
MoT
June 4th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
"how many American lives are to be sacrificed on the altar of the "special relationship?"….
Just tally up the Iraq/AfPak body bags and you'll have your answer as far as the present is concerned. The total number I'm confident is far far higher in both domestic and foreign theaters up to and including other nationals.
musings
June 4th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
Given our short memories and inability to weigh the relative merits of a case, the first time that happens, they will be calling for all out war against Iran. There will be the cause. "Remember the Maine (but forget the Liberty)" is our motto.
Iowa Scribe
June 4th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
This is not an act of piracy. Piracy is an act of aggression carried out in international waters by individuals and not by states. The following internationally binding treaties, charters, and agreements are relevant to the attack by Israel:
1. Article 6 of the Charter Provisions of the Nuremburg Trials (a) Crimes against Peace: namely, planning, preparation, initiation, or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a common plan or
conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the foregoing; (3) Crimes against Humanity: namely murder…deportation, and any other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population, before or during the war…in execution of or in connection with any crime…whether or not
in violation of the domestic law of the country where perpetrated.
2. 1907 Hague Regulation Convention (XI) Relative to Certain Restrictionswith Regard to the Exercise of the Right of Capture in Naval War Chapter II – The Exemption from Capture of Certain Vessels Article 4. Vessels charged with religious, scientific, or philanthropic
missions are likewise exempt from capture.
Iowa Scribe
June 4th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
These are crimes that have international jurisdiction. Israeli political and military personnel can be named in trials held in any and all countries of the world. If the Israelis do not attend the trials, they
can be tried in abstentia, and those decisions in which the Israelis are found guilty can be executed anywhere in the world.
Because unarmed civilians were murdered by a preplanned military attack, capital crimes have been committed. While it would appear that the international community no longer finds capital punishment civilized, the punishments for these capital crimes can be multiple life sentences.
These crimes give rise to damage claims for huge sums of money and Israeli accounts can be blocked using decisions finding them guilty.
Iowa Scribe
June 4th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
The unarmed vessels were on a philanthropic mission, carrying civilians and humanitarian supplies. Even if Israel were in a state of war with any of these countries, it would be prohibited from capturing the vessels according to the terms of the Hague Convention of 1907.
Lynda Brayer is an Israeli human rights lawyer who specialized in the laws of war and international law in representing Palestinians. She is a graduate of the Hebrew University Faculty of Law and lives in Haifa. She can be reached at lyndabrayer@yahoo.com
Matthew Stephen Rogers
June 4th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
What's sad is the original Ron Paul and Alex Jones grass roots tea party was anti interventionist, but it got steam rolled by Zionist whores like Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck. And I say that as a *left* activist, but come be fair in describing people and don't always believe the fawning corporate media hype!
Matthew Stephen Rogers
June 4th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
Bill the U.S. government has been illegitimate probably since Kennedy's murder before I was born. *Both* parties are war mongers and whores to Zionist interests, :(
Matthew Stephen Rogers
June 4th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Will save your Hasbara for brainwashed idiots, people here are too informed to believe such blatant propaganda. Now go back to your "megaphone" window shill!
Blubberbutt
June 4th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Israel is our ally? ORLY?
How many wars have they fought with us?
How many times have our troops bled shoulder to shoulder for the same cause?
What does the USA get from this alliance?
How many Iranian spies have been caught in the USA? How many Israeli spies have been caught in the USA?
What kind of resources does Israel have to share with us/compensate us with?
How about Iran? Was operation Ajax such a good idea now?
Can we ever divorce ourselves from Israel without massive bloodshed? I'm confident that false flag ops and assasinations will be the result of our government even discussing the possibility of cutting ties with the Israelies
Iowa Scribe
June 4th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
The ships were flagged in Turkey, Greece, and the United States of America. Israel has committed acts of war against all three countries. Lyndon Johnson covered up the attack on the USS Liberty, and we are still paying the price for that treachery in American lives! Impeach Joe Biden!
Sam
June 4th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
Was he an American? He was born in the USA but moved to Turkey when he was 2 and never returned. He grew up in Turkey and went to school there. But yet he is an American? He may have been born an American citizen, but he is a resident and citizen of Turkey and to suggest an American was killed is wrong. If he was 75 years old and also left American at age 2 and never returned, would we be calling him an American? Who was his Congressman? Senator? Governor? Simply, he was not an American. He was Turkish. Also Raimondo says the USS Liberty was sunk. It was not. This is not the first time he has said this. It's clear Raimondo just not write with facts but simply with reactionary tendencies like someone with a chip on their shoulder
Sam
June 4th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
There is a difference being born in the USA and being an American citizen. He took up Turkish citizenship. That in effect nullified his American citizenship. he never grew up in America or went to scholl here. He is being buried in his "hometown" in Turkey. Does this sound like an American. His nation of birth was America, but his life was all spent in Turkey.
Iowa Scribe
June 4th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
The IDF certainly intended to sink the USS LIberty. They attacked the ship with rockets, napalm, heavy machine guns, and torpedoed it, killing 34 Americans and wounding 171, many very seriously. They machine-gunned life rafts the survivors put in the water when the "Abandon Ship" command was given. The issue here is not Raimondo's accuracy, it's Zionist traitors like YOU who excuse Israel's acts of war against the USA and Israel's murder of American citizens!
Sam
June 4th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
First of all, its typical of people of your ilk to all anyone who disagrees with you a traitor. Raimondo said the ship was sunk. I merely pointed out it was not sunk. Was the attack intentional? Of course it was inherently intentional in terms of the ship beeing attacked because the Israelis thought it was an Egyptian ship. No one ever said the attack was an accident, they say it was mistekn identity. You all me a "Zionist" without defining that word. Now which American citizens are too talking about being murdered? The 34 on the Liberty were indeed American citizens. But you are the traitor to American principles to suggest that some who leaves America at age 2 and never turns back and is being buried in Turkey is an American! being an American is more than being born here. Have you actually read all the information on the USS Liberty? You have offered no proof just like Raimondo that Israel attacked the USS Liberty knowing at the time it was an American vessel. If clear evidence evr gets realeased that they did know it was an American ship, then Israel must be held accountable. Unlike you I like to investigate before reaching conclusions.
Iowa Scribe
June 4th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
http://www.gtr5.com/evidence/warcrimes.pdf
There is the evidence of Israel's act of war and war crimes against the USA in the cowardly and deadlyh attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 Americans and wounded 171, many seriously, on JUne 8, 1967 in the eastern Mediterranean. You write like a Zionist propagandist, a pathological liar, a sociopath, and are most likely in the employ of the Israeli government. I will not waste another second of my time on you.
humanist
June 4th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
What would’ve happened if Iranian soldiers have killed an American peace activist four times in head…….during a lunatic immoral act of piracy?
“Total obliteration” of Iran?
Every day, all around the world, hypocritic (comic/tragic) Double Standards of US policies adds many to the growing list of its adversaries….isn’t time to stop costly stupidities?
Instead of “change we can believe in” I’m seeing “continuity we can believe in”……that is gray…..and blue.
Greg
June 4th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
And thus the absurdity of national identity is exposed. He was a human being, the same as the other 8 who died. Whether he was born in the US, Turkey, Ethiopia, or on the forest moon of Endor, he was a human, same as you (I assume) or I.
Our nation was founded on the idea that all men are created equal, not just those who grew up in the US.
Jeremiah
June 4th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
Well, the Obama administration has amply demonstrated its tractability to the regime in Tel Aviv. If the Israelis ever had any doubts about their doting, doddering Uncle Sam, those doubts have now been obliterated. And they'll likely strike while the iron's hot, while the American state is at the nadir of servile prostration: which is to say, we can expect definitive Israeli action on the Iran front any moment now.
Sam
June 4th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
Oh and do we know why he was shot? Of are we simply assuming he was killed for no reason at all. How about we do someting radical. Let's wait and find out why he was shot and what he was doing at the time he was shot.
pwi
June 4th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
Its too bad this didn't happen during the quarterly $75,000 keep us in business drive. This story would have been GOLD!
You would think the fact the ship was not sunk should have been written and then edited correctly.
anon 1
June 4th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
maybe the son of "no big deal" will catch "no big deal" shrapnel.
Just me
June 4th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
also important to realize that NOTHING will appease israel their behavior will only get worse, not better. they will never 'feel secure' (which is what they claim they want ) .
Is it just me or as Israel recently begun to act in an almost intentionally offensive manner as if to demonstrate to the world that the US is controlled by them?
Bruce M
June 4th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
As Governor Barack Obama says "Welcome to The United States of West Israel".
Remember the USS Liberty 8 Jun 1967 (even if our "masters" in Tel Aviv tell us not to).
Bianca
June 4th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Well, we do not know why he was shot. But the facts are out about HOW he was shot. He was shot in chest, and for good measure, FOUR times in the head. This can only be done at a very close range. Poor, endangered special operations thug, he just had to pump this metal into a nineteen year old's head to save his life!
Bianca
June 4th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
And the Tea Party will pick it up as yet another proof how the illegal immigration from Mexico brings all sorts of evil to our country. This just might be the way to get out of their "Drill, baby, drill" blues.
Auntie_Spinster
June 4th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
Violent revolution is not the way to go. Read your history.
F.A. Hayek Fan
June 4th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
The US did nothing when Israel deliberately murdered 34 and wounded 171 crew members of the USS Liberty, so why in the world would anyone be surprised that they do not care about the death of a 19 year old kid who wasn't even raised in the United States? Israel can do no wrong according to the bought and paid for beltway traitors and their propaganda mouthpieces in the mainstream media.
Al_Dove
June 4th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
You guys got it all wrong!!
Those terrorists attacked the Israeli gunboat. I read all about it in the NY Daily News and the Jerusalem Post. The Post even had videos.
And in any case, there is the right, and perhaps even the responsibility, to assassinate American citizens. We have been informed that it is so by our Benevolent Leader.
All y'all are just way off the mark on this one.
Mark
June 4th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
On May 30, 2010, The Sunday Times (online) reported “three German-built Israeli submarines equipped with nuclear cruise missiles are to be deployed in the Gulf near the Iranian coastline.”
Query I: If Israel reserves the right to attack humanitarian aid vessels in international waters as a means of self-defense, then Iran surely reserves the right to attack nuclear subs near their coastline on the same grounds. True?
Query II: Is it mere coincidence that Israel deployed three submarines equipped with nuclear cruise missiles near the Iranian coastline at the same time that Israel attacked humanitarian aid vessels in international waters?
See “Israel Stations Nuclear Missile subs off Iran” at http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europ…
charles caruso
June 4th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
Israel is so over that I'm beginning to feel sorry for it.
What a great dream, now a nightmare, as it heads for the dustbin where Nazi Germany
and apartheid South Africa reside.
conumishu
June 4th, 2010 at 10:31 am
Except for the annoying little detail he is an American citizen.
( http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-06-03/u-s-c… )
Well, was, before 4 bullets in the head and one in the chest teminated any citizenship whatsoever.
Auntie_Spinster
June 4th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
The lunatic has nuclear cruise missiles aimed at its perceived mortal enemy. Not a good thought. Let's see, birds sing in the trees and little kittens play with yarn. Ah, that's better.
bogi666
June 4th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
Co-Dependence, Israel and Israel occupied USG. This is when the abused, USG, apologizes to/for the abuser, Israel. It's a mental illness, why wives can't/won't leave an abusive spouse because of their lack of self worth, and get its self worth from the abuser, Israel. In case no one has noticed the policy of the USG around the world but especially muslim countries mimic's how Israel treats its muslim neighbors, with atrocities. Ever since the Israeli's were never held accountable by the USG for the attack on the USS Liberty the USG has been/is' bubba' Israel's bitch. The USG can't even repel the Israeli occupation of the USG, how in the hell can it end the occupation of Palestine? It can't.
Don
June 4th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
Hmmm…ask the Brits about that…
bogi666
June 4th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
President O'BushBombya has taken from Stalin's playbook, world wide assassinations of its own citizens. Trotsky, assassinated by a Stalinist agent in Mexico.
Don
June 4th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
Goes back at least to WWI. One of the few exceptions was Andrew Jackson, and the assassination attempt on him failed due to a pair of misfires.
bogi666
June 4th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
Very good. Furthermore, those on the decks of the ships were jumping as high as they could to destroy the helicopters with their sticks. This according to the Israeli government and recited by the USG MSM.
Don
June 4th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
Of course, that doesn't apply to people like Wolfowitz and Emanuel…
dnha14
June 4th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Mr. Raimondo, the Keith Olberman/Bill Maher of the right. When you get to that extreme, there's a definite problem. This was not piracy by any definition of the word.
SammyE
June 4th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
So if it's OK for israel to kill an American citizen, why can't an American citizen kill an israeli? Would Joe or our government call it "no big deal"?
peacenik
June 4th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
Hi Johnny I am from Wisconsin too.(Mequon). Fact is the Israelis can even defecate on our faces and get away with it.
mike
June 4th, 2010 at 7:05 pm
Our government is saying an Israeli life is worth more than an Americans life and Israel's security comes before our own.
Well lets see them mess with the Turks without our help. Lets see… they will start the fight and we will have to finish it, just like Iraq and Iran (I should say as soon as we can release enough troops from Iraq).
Well not my kids! not one drop of blood for them! Enough is Enough!!
Remember the Liberty!
mike2
June 4th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
Who will be the first country to nuke somebody? besides us of course.
Israel
or
N.Korea?
Jerr-Berlin
June 4th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
…was being facetious
jeff_davis
June 4th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
No, not just you.
But I'm somewhat puzzled as to why. Somewhat. Best guess is this behavior serves to strengthen the domestic political position of Netanyahu and the Likud party: You know, acting over-the-top, tough guy, "bring it on!" tough; which makes the right-wing mob of wanna be tough guys slash wanna be heroes feel good. Makes for very bad juju down the road, though. The same bad juju that has energized the Holocaust bunny again and again over 5000 years. We're seeing the ancient pattern of arrogance and aggressiveness clearly demonstrated here, but this time on a global stage. It just keeps going and going and going…
jeff_davis
June 4th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
Further down the page I post a comment with links to the history of this situation.
Please add this link, arguably the single most authoritative and persuasive of the lot, for obvious reasons:
"Concerning the Jews" by Mark Twain http://classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts/mtw…
What the heck. Here are the other links, as well:
The Hidden History of Zionism http://www.marxists.de/middleast/schoenman/
Behind the Balfour Declaration http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p389_John.html#ftn1…
Benjamin Freedman http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedma…
J Davis
June 4th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
"because the Israelis thought it was an Egyptian ship"
So says only the Israelis which the issue of culpability and veracity of Israeli claims were never documented or proven, The Question was never even asked. Israel premised the Liberty attack on claims of "shelling by the sea" and the IDF History Report claims of an Egyptian destroyer.
1. The shelling events never happened.
Neither the Liberty or El Qusier had ship armaments that could bombard any IDF troop at Al Arish 14 miles away as Israel claimed yet Liberty was attacked and El Qyisier manufactured as the mistaken identity crap fest.
The El Quiers was a 1920's steamer, a horse carrier and still in Port and never left something I'm sure Israeli intelligence was well aware of. through and after the 1967 war.
Nice try but the whole Israeli argument has never held water.
jeff
June 4th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
that incident showed the Israelis are barbarians. It was such a heinous crime and the US govt didn't even make protest. Such a shame.
Jeremiah
June 4th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
I think Israel is probably a short-timer as a viable nation-state. If nothing else, the eventual implosion of the US economy—the resultant loss of its sole major ally and primary cash-and-cannon-fodder colony—will lead to its rapid decline. In my mind, this will be cause for neither pity nor jubilation, but for *consternation.* And this is because of Israel's sizable nuclear arsenal.
The boys in Tel Aviv are not thinking clearly—haven't been thinking clearly for a very long time; and, if anything, they seem to be going further round the bend. A completely isolated Israel, facing even the merest *specter* of dissolution, might do something drastic. And nuclear weapons, to put it mildly, are the last thing you want to see in the hands of a highly unbalanced, racialist-nationalist state at the end of its rope.
Jeremiah
June 4th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
Gee, the hasbara-bots aren't even trying anymore.
Sam
June 4th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
The USA is the only nation on earth that automatically grants citizenship to people born here. It is absurd that this Turk who was killed is being declared a US Citizen. He left when he was 2 and never came back. He lived under the jurisdiction of Turkey and not the USA. Thus were he was born is not relevant. What jurisdiction he lived under was. The anti-Israel cabal here needs to have an "American" citizen who killed so they can use this to have their dream of Israel being wiped out become a realty. Is this the best they can do.
Jeremiah
June 4th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
Uh, couldn't we just spay her?
liberranter
June 4th, 2010 at 10:25 pm
I'd say the Executive Dictatorship of Ol' Uncle Abe Lincoln, beginning in 1861, is probably a good place to put the birth year of our illegitimate, outlaw government.
Sam
June 4th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
Catholics are 25% of the population yest 67% of the Supreme Court, do you object to this hypocrite?
liberranter
June 4th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
I see the Ziontrolls are out in full force again.
Sam
June 4th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Your anti-Semitism has been noted
liberranter
June 4th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
Truth=Anti-Semitism?
Note mine too while you're at it.
Mark
June 4th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
Israel can do what ever she wants whenever she wants. She can blow and erase any nation from the map, conquer any country .. even United states cant stand against Israel. thats the Only fact in this world .. if the americans had the balls !
jeff_davis
June 4th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
I'm Jewish. My original name was Fein. Parents changed it when I was three.
Here's the deal. Is a crime not a crime when it's committed by a Jew? Is a lie not a lie when uttered by a Jew? If these questions cause you to pause even for a moment, then you have a problem with ethnic bias. Not at all unusual. In fact universally true of all ethnicities.
You and the rest of the world need to rise above it. You need to find a way to deal with unpleasant truths other than reflexively dismissing them before returning to your conventional-yet-delusional "happy place".
Regarding anti-semitism, a question: which anti-semitism is more genuine: someone who hates jews, perhaps quite vocally, but has no influence, or someone who claims to love his fellow jews while all the time hurrying them along, expeditiously, to the next holocaust?
Of course it's rhetorical, and of course you get my point, but until you can grasp the severe danger of the latter, you'll remain part of the problem.
abiman
June 5th, 2010 at 12:01 am
I read somewhere that the same scumbug a cloth mercjant from NY named Feinberg who offered one million dollars to Truman for election campaign ( Truman, by Mc Cullugh ) did again try to mediate money transfer to L B Johnson campaign or openly donated to his camapign. Does anyone have any links to the later or its just a rumor?
abiman
June 5th, 2010 at 12:16 am
A Palestinian visiting Israel has to have a Palestinian identification number or Palestinan travel documnet or Palestinian passport issued by Isarel or PA. It does not matter if the man is US citizen born or naturalized US citizen. US State Department is aware of it and advises accordingly on its web site. They cant visit on US passport!
Good luck
June 5th, 2010 at 1:14 am
Is this really serious? Will Turkey escort the Rachel Corrie, or cancel their F-35 participation. Doubt it.
vesko
June 5th, 2010 at 3:21 am
A little additional detail here – Turkey is a NATO member. Israel is not. What are you gonna do about it? Forgive me for my guess – nothing..
Chas
June 5th, 2010 at 3:30 am
In reply to "Sam" ( or is it, more appropriately for 5th columnist like him, "Shmuel" ) :
Furkan Dogan was traveling under an American passport, so it's not so far fetched to say he was an American. I would like to know how many passports you, yourself, have. Where you actually present for the U.S.S. Liberty massacre, in carrying out your "obligations of citizenship" to fulfill your split loyalties, that you are so certain of why it was so clearly a case of mistaken identity by Isreal ? Oh and did I forget to mention that the Egyptian vessel that the U.S.S. Liberty was supposedly being mistaken for, would have been a civilian fishing trawler ( still an off-limits target by what was once held up as rules of war ) ??? And that what the U.S.S. Liberty was monitoring at the time were communications regarding the slaughter of 6000 Egyptian POWs that day.
Andrewp111
June 5th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
A Blockade is an act of war, and Israel is at war with Gaza. Attempting to run a blocklade is also an act of war. Only a person who wants to be martyred will run a blockade with any kind of violence. Any American who goes off on his own to participate in a foreign war is at risk of being killed, and deservedly so. I have no sympathy for Rachel Corrie or Furkan Dogan. On this incident, the big mouth Joe Biden is right.
musings
June 5th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
I believe the Israeli government is about to pin a medal on the leader of the killings, even though it seems he did not even kill in immediate self-defense, but in cool execution-style (if he claims to have pulled off so many head shots). I think the overkill of the young Turkish-American man was to send us a message. Well, message received. Israeli has targeted people for a political message. Then they fell on their victimization trope to explain it.
A Texan wrote in the CNN thread that "Israel will do everything to defend its people." I beg to differ. Israel will not regard as people a large percentage of its population. They are getting ready to expel those whom they distrust and who will not (on the basis of ethnicity) swear a loyalty oath.
This is not a Western style democracy. And it has shown that it is not a friend to its former friends.
@BojanBB
June 5th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Few hours after massacre and kidnaping flotilla on high seas IDF shot in the face with a tear gas canister an American peace activist during a demonstration in Qalandiya, West Bank.
EmilyHenochowicz (does it sound American name enough?) is recovering at Hadassah Hospital after two surgeries Monday night. She lost her left eye, three metal plates were inserted into her head/face, and her jaw is wired shut. The bone surrounding her eye socket, cheekbone and jawbone are all fractured. Emily was standing peacefully during a demonstration at Qalandiya checkpoint Monday when Border Police fired a large number of tear gas canisters directly at the heads of Emily and another ISM activist.
Source: http://palsolidarity.org/2010/05/12604/
As Amira Hass said few days ago, foreign activists are increasingly being target.
Bene_Tleilax
June 5th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Turkey should declare war on Israel – Israel's attack on a Turkish flagged ship in international waters is cut and dried, no freaking questions asked – an Act Of War.
They should then, being a NATO member, assert Article 5 of the agreement: NATO would either have to help Turkey in it's defense against Israel or publicly admit it's utter worthlessness – which would go a long way to finally dismantling this hideous relic.
As well-equipped as Israel's forces may be (by the USA) Turkey would probably dismantle them fairly quickly – barring outside (US/UK) help.
This is a Golden Opportunity for both Turkey taking it's place as the Central Hub into Central Asian waters, it''s regional influence, and once and for all ending the idiotic illusion that they will ever become part of EU – who the fuck would want to at this point, anyway!?!
Take the shot man, you're in the driver's seat, Turkey!
JJURIP
June 5th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/36479_Pro….
Israeli marines were held during ship raid-witness http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE6521UG
JJURIP
June 5th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
ABOUT THE USS LIBERTY
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/07/09/uss…
JJURIP
June 5th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/36480_NPR…
They all had interesting backgrounds according to NPR
wardog
June 5th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
Again I ask the question: What do the Israelis have on our politicians that makes them such whores? Dirty pictures? Threats of witholding campaign contributions? It's really embarassing as well as infuriating to see congress with its collective pants down around their legislative ankles just waiting for Israel to do it again. We need to let them (politicians) know that we don't respect their whatever-you-want attitude towards Israel and that we WIL NOT vote for them.
RockyRococo
June 5th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
The bombs would be falling on Teheran now.
RockyRococo
June 5th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Pots and kettles. You accuse the others here of "abandoning AMerican principles" when YOU are the one that is taking a position in direct contravention of US citizenship laws, and doing so for the purpose of demonizing an American citizen and justifying his murder by heavily armed foreign soldiers. Which one here is "abandoning American principles?"
RockyRococo
June 5th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Your "Query II" goes to the heart of what I believe this whole set-up was really about. That the people of Gaza continue to be denied humanitarian relief is in that great American phrase defining our era "collateral damage". This whole event is about making an example of Turkey for meddling in the rush to war with Iran, a message I'm certain not lost on the Turks, or the Iranians. The Brazilians no doubt are wondering what shoe will be falling in their direction at this point. There is no doubt in my mind that the Israelis had a green light, if not a direct order, from DC to put a smackdown on the Turks. Please remember people, the US Government is by no means a helpless bystander in the actions of Israel, we are the sponsor state, the imperial protector. The US gets to use Israel to do its dirty work for it, with "plausible deniability". Don't let a misguided sense of "patriotism" blind you to the reality of the mechanics of Empire.
RockyRococo
June 5th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
What Israel has on the US is that the US has used Israel and Israeli agents to do much of its dirty work in the Middle East, and even other parts of the world, for half a century, and the Israeli government has the documentation to prove all of it. If the US crosses Israel, all that information "leaks" out. There may even be information regarding US assistance to the Israeli nuclear program that could be a bit "embarrassing" when it comes to NPT and IAEA issues. That's the client state's protection against betrayal by the imperial power, and given their usual paranoid style the Israeli government no doubt uses it constantly and reflexively.
JJURIP
June 5th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
Rachel Corrie 's group REFUSED to condemn suicide bombings
She was an activist for one side in the conflict , and not a peace activist.
JJURIP
June 5th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
When Hamas and Iran did suicide bombing they killed several americans
JJURIP
June 5th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
JUSTIN YOU SHOULD MAKE HELEN THOMAS AN ANTIWAR.COM COLUMNIST
Auntie_Spinster
June 5th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
It is *so* irritating that NPR is regarded as "so liberal" when in fact they are Pentagon propaganda and faux liberal. It is not surprising that they report this way, it is by design: the wedge into the "liberal" (clueless) listener to get them to believe the worst about those who were murdered by the IDF: they had it coming for the jihadist islamo-fascism. That sucks. I hate these NPR types with a passion.
Auntie_Spinster
June 5th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
LEAVE ISRAEL ALONE!!! WHY ARE YOU PICKING ON HER??!!!!! WHAT DID SHE EVER DO TO DESERVE YOUR CONSTANT NIT PICKING???!!!! SHE'S A HUMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bene_Tleilax
June 5th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Turkey should declare war on Israel – Israel's attack on a Turkish flagged ship in international waters is cut and dried, no freaking questions asked – an Act Of War.
They should then, being a NATO member, assert Article 5 of the agreement: NATO would either have to help Turkey in it's defense against Israel or publicly admit it's utter worthlessness – which would go a long way to finally dismantling this hideous relic.
As well-equipped as Israel's forces may be (by the USA) Turkey would probably dismantle them fairly quickly – barring outside (US/UK) help.
This is a Golden Opportunity for both Turkey taking it's place as the Central Hub into Central Asian waters, it''s regional influence, and once and for all ending the idiotic illusion that they will ever become part of EU – who the fuck would want to at this point, anyway!?!
Take the shot man, you're in the driver's seat, Turkey!
Bene_Tleilax
June 5th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Turkey should declare war on Israel – Israel's attack on a Turkish flagged ship in international waters is cut and dried, no freaking questions asked – an Act Of War.
They should then, being a NATO member, assert Article 5 of the agreement: NATO would either have to help Turkey in it's defense against Israel or publicly admit it's utter worthlessness – which would go a long way to finally dismantling this hideous relic.
As well-equipped as Israel's forces may be (by the USA) Turkey would probably dismantle them fairly quickly – barring outside (US/UK) help.
This is a Golden Opportunity for both Turkey taking it's place as the Central Hub into Central Asian waters, it''s regional influence, and once and for all ending the idiotic illusion that they will ever become part of EU – who the fuck would want to at this point, anyway!?!
Take the shot man, you're in the driver's seat, Turkey!
Bene_Tleilax
June 5th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Turkey should declare war on Israel – Israel's attack on a Turkish flagged ship in international waters is cut and dried, no freaking questions asked – an Act Of War.
They should then, being a NATO member, assert Article 5 of the agreement: NATO would either have to help Turkey in it's defense against Israel or publicly admit it's utter worthlessness – which would go a long way to finally dismantling this hideous relic.
As well-equipped as Israel's forces may be (by the USA) Turkey would probably dismantle them fairly quickly – barring outside (US/UK) help.
This is a Golden Opportunity for both Turkey taking it's place as the Central Hub into Central Asian waters, it''s regional influence, and once and for all ending the idiotic illusion that they will ever become part of EU – who the fuck would want to at this point, anyway!?!
Take the shot man, you're in the driver's seat, Turkey!
Rick James
June 5th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
no backup if you protest on behalf of say democracy or humanaties,yet immunity for soildering and mercanaries,yet even more finanacially based two faced hypocracy
Guy
June 6th, 2010 at 12:08 am
i suppose you both claim not to be racists…
wardog
June 6th, 2010 at 2:31 am
I think "No big deal" Joe may have unwittingly sabotaged any political aspirations of his son. Good!
waedog
Spotter
June 6th, 2010 at 3:01 am
I don't see the Vatican murdering people or Catholics advocating racial superiority and "Greater Vatican", putting people in concentration camps like Gaza and West Bank, sniping children, pregnant women, safe haven for all types or organized crime, organ smuggling and constantly reminding everyone around them that they are "special" "chosen" etc etc.
Spotter
June 6th, 2010 at 3:02 am
Oy Vey, she allegedly refused to kiss Israel ass – SO KILL HER ALREADY.
bluemole
June 6th, 2010 at 3:16 am
Ike was the last US pres to stand up to Israel in 1956. And was re-elected later that year.
Auntie_Spinster
June 6th, 2010 at 7:37 am
I thought I'd already replied here. Well, in short, NPR is a Pentagon propaganda machine which seeks to legitimize it's war-mongering spin by having a perception that they somehow, "liberal." Don't make me puke.
jackbootstate
June 6th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
The way I see it, Israel is behaving as badly as the support it gets from Washington allows it. This becomes clear when you look at the savage behavior of U.S. armed governments around the world. Washington likes Israel and Israel needs Washington because it is the source of its power. This is the reason for why the Lobby puts so much effort into lobbying in the U.S. It simply has nowhere else to go to realize its dream of a Greater Israel.
I think the reaction of the U.S. government tells us that Washington agrees with what Israel did to the flotilla. The fact an American was killed tells me that Washington supports repression of U.S. activists opposing U.S. support for Israel. Any American helping Israel repress the Palestinians wouldn't be treated this way. Try to help the Palestinians and you might find yourself getting the Rachel Corrie treatment.
liberranter
June 6th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
I'd love to believe that's true, but I'm skeptical. If the "good voters of Delaware" could stomach "No big deal Joe's" moronic verbal vomitus enough to keep him in the Senate for five and a half terms, I have every expectation that they're stupid enough to put up with this son. While I admittedly know nothing about Baby Biden, the "chip off the old block" assumption is usually the safest one in absence of any other information.
liberranter
June 6th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
A cynic (the club of which I'm a proud member) might say that the USG subsidizes Israel's outlaw behavior for purposes of experimentation. Israel's militarized society is a "petri dish" into which the USG can gaze as it constructs its own militarized Polizeistaat. What works for the IDFin the West Bank and the Gaza Strip just might also work for USNORCOM in the American Southwest and on the streets of Amerika's cities.
Chas
June 7th, 2010 at 4:10 am
interesting get censored on Anti-War.
Chas
June 7th, 2010 at 6:30 am
And can you believe those dumb-ass Americans on the U.S.S. Liberty were briefly firing back ?
Very briefly, but they did fire back.
Chas
June 7th, 2010 at 6:45 am
If you can believe those guys on the U.S.S. Liberty actually briefly fired back ?
Very briefly, but they did fire back. It was the only time but something to remember
come Tuesday.
Heathcliff_Maw
June 7th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
The Tea Party may be a political force to some degree, but for what? The majority of self-identified tea partiers support US foreign policy and gigantic military budgets.
I don't vote for politicians anymore and haven't voted in the last two presidential elections. I only vote on ballot initiatives and bond measures.
Heathcliff_Maw
June 7th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
You are right.
jeff_davis
June 7th, 2010 at 7:20 pm
Actually, Charles, it may in fact not be censorship at all, but rather a software glitch. On two occasions I have "found" my lost(previously thought to be censored) postings. Clicking on "COMMENTS" brought up a differently formatted comments page, and at the bottom where it invites you to login, well that button took me not to Intensedebate login, but to WordPress login.
I've been working with the folks at Antiwar to track down the problem. I expect it will be cleared up sometime soon.
Merih
June 14th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
not only the current gov but also all of the govs throughout the history except 1 or 2 of them
Merih
June 14th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
its good to see more American's are awakening each day