Faisal Shahzad: An Ordinary Man
From Wall Street to Waziristan: a story that doesn’t quite add up
The day after President Obama made his Predator joke at the White House Correspondents dinner, Faisal Shahzad, a Pakistani-American, was in the middle of Times Square trying to blow the place up. I’m not saying there was any connection, although you never know: yet there is indeed a link between the casual arrogance that allowed an intelligent man like our chief executive to joke about a deadly weapon that has killed more innocent civilians in Pakistan than actual terrorists.
There are several issues being raised by this case, first and foremost the question of there being some connection to the Taliban, the Pakistani version of which has supposedly claimed responsibility. The accused, Faisal Shahzad, is said to have traveled to Pakistan several times, during which time he reportedly received bomb-making “training” from the Taliban. If that is true, it doesn’t say much for their tutoring skills: this makeshift “bomb,” which failed to go off, was apparently a collection of fireworks, propane tanks, fertilizer, and cheap alarm clocks put together by someone who had no idea what they were doing.
The idea that some guys in a cave somewhere in the mountains of the Hindu Kush are capable of plotting and executing a complex terrorist plot on the other side of the world, all by their lonesome selves, is at the core of the administration’s case for the wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The terrorists, we’re told, must be denied a “safe haven,” from within which they can “plan” and “plot” attacks on the United States. Yet all this planning and plotting has so far gotten them exactly nowhere: all they have to show for it are a couple of amateurish failures, and two of their drones in the clink.
Which just goes to show that we don’t need to occupy and “pacify” half of Central Asia in order to effectively fight terrorism: all we need are a couple hundred strategically positioned t-shirt vendors. Seriously, though, the unfolding of this incident underscored a point I’ve been making in this space for years: the battleground in the war on terrorism, so-called, is right here at home, not thousands of miles away from the target. The Bushian strategy was to “fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here,” and yet they are already over here, as Mr. Shahzad’s biography makes all too clear.
Which brings us to the second interesting aspect of this case: Shahzad is an American citizen, although not for long, if Senator Joe Lieberman has his way:
“I think it’s time for us to look at whether we want to amend that law to apply it to American citizens who choose to become affiliated with foreign terrorist organizations, whether they should not also be deprived automatically of their citizenship, and therefore be deprived of rights that come with that citizenship when they are apprehended and charged with a terrorist act.”
The Senator is either grandstanding, or just plain ignorant – come to think of it, probably both. Because in the case of naturalized citizens, revocation of citizenship is the price one pays for treason: that’s already in the law. The standard is not that high: one merely has to be a member of any organization deemed “subversive” by the government for revocation proceedings to be brought.
Yet Shahzad has so far been convicted of nothing: there’s not even an indictment. The Senator would no doubt love to dispense with these formalities, but we aren’t there yet. The bomb, you remember, failed to go off. When one does, however, you can bet Lieberman will be the first to suggest suspending the Constitution – and he’ll be far from alone.
In the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, thousands of Middle Easterners were rounded up, deported, questioned, and otherwise abused. The War Party would like nothing better than to see this repeated, and they’re doing their damnedest to whip up anti-Muslim hysteria, but the pitiful impotence of the hapless Shahzad is hardly up to the task.
In prosecuting the “war on terrorism” abroad, we have succeeded only in provoking an internal threat: there are millions of self-declared Muslims in this country. In pursuing what appears to be a war on Islam, we automatically generate a huge potential fifth column right here on the home front. This is bad news for those who care about the future of America, but good news for the War Party, which can never have too many targets for its boundless rage.
The oddness of this case is brought out in the details of Shahzad’s career – from being a financial analyst at the Affinion Group, in Norwalk, Connecticut, where he commuted from the home he and his wife had purchased in nearby Shelton, to quitting his job, in 2009, going off to Waziristan for “training,” and then returning to at the beginning of this year, a changed man. From Wall Street to Waziristan is a strange road to travel, and with such rapidity that it strikes me as distinctly odd. News articles talk about how, in the beginning, Shahzad and his wife – whose Facebook page says she “likes to party every night” – were friendly, at first, but later seemed to withdraw as Shahzad became more “radicalized,” but of what did this “radicalization” consist of?
What stands out about Shahzad and his family is their ordinariness – the wife, a University of Colorado graduate, majoring in business, and Shahzad, who spent his days calculating profit margins and tending his garden, not to mention a baby daughter nicknamed “Bunny Wabbit.” So typical is this family that they recently had their Shelton house foreclosed.
In a rational world, one would have to ask: these are terrorists? In this world, however, we can only wait for more of the story to come out. When it does, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if there’s much less to this than meets the eye.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- BS in Baghdad – May 24th, 2012
- Interventionism and the Elites – May 22nd, 2012
- Obama or Anarchy? – May 20th, 2012
- What Does Ron Paul Want? – May 17th, 2012
- Hillary’s Terrorists – May 15th, 2012





MvGuy
May 5th, 2010 at 4:51 am
too bad Kurt Haskell wasn't one of the vendors………
musings
May 5th, 2010 at 4:55 am
So we are left to wonder for the moment whether it was the drone strikes or the economy that turned him. Or perhaps both. Anyone who jokes about drone strikes is on the same moral level as Bush joking about missing WMD's. Killing people in Times Square would have been just as bad. Imagine being as callous and pre-emptive as an American President. What depths of depravity. Fortunately, his incompetence spared him from going that low. Intent isn't everything. But it is possible to foresee a miserable day in which worries about random bombings of places where people congregate brings home, as they used to say, the war (in Iraq or Afghanistan, but mostly I am thinking about Baghdad). We as a nation are in no position to become a small homogeneous state with a wall around it. That means we have to find a better way than some fevered dream of apartheid and some harkening back to glory days where everyone around us belonged to our club or was kept out. I don't think we can count on evading the consequences of how revenge cultures behave when crossed. We just have to back slowly out of the hornet's nest and never go there again (if that is possible). Unfortunately, our growth paradigm and need for oil forces us to stay in the Mideast, and therein lies the tragedy of our common society.
guest
May 5th, 2010 at 5:33 am
Look at the photo of Shahzad.This guy is working for the C.I.A. or the Mossad.It's a setup to scare the People of America,nothing more,like raising and lowering the terror alerts during the Bush Administration.The defence establishment wants to keep these Islamic wars going,it's big bucks to them and Israel wants to wipe out any possible opposition to the expansion of the Israeli state using American money and troops to do it.The Islamists don't have to come to America to strike at us,our troops are all over the Islamic world.Perfect targets.
tolemo
May 5th, 2010 at 8:13 am
I keep hearin' that Obama is very intelligent but "stupid is as stupid does" and he needs to start showing that oft cited intelligence for something more worthwhile than smooth rhetoric. Meanwhile,Senator Lieberman seems to prove himself a blood-lusting psycho more and more. Both seem unwilling to acknowledge the concept of "blowback".
Bene_Tleilax
May 5th, 2010 at 9:40 am
"Shahzad is an American citizen, although not for long, if Senator Joe Lieberman has his way"
Interesting. OK, let's do that! While we're at it we can also strip 95% of the Congress, starting with Lieberswine, of Their citizenship for "affiliating with foreign terrorist organizations", namely AIPAC.
As for this Faisal it's pretty obvious he never attended any bomb making classes – unless of course the NYPD is lying about the contents of the Nissan. Not much of a stretch there. But I doubt it. If they were going to lie then they would have lied the other way and called it a "dirty bomb" or some other unbelievable crap.
Looks like he was just an ordinary guy with an (understandable) grudge against JP Morgan, and not enough sense to copy a bomb recipe off the internet. It may even be the case the "bomb" was never meant to "go off" at all: just a parting FU prank before leaving Terrorist Empire for good.
Give my regards to Broadway.
doc noss
May 5th, 2010 at 11:50 am
You are absolutely correct. This was clearly a Mossad/CIA staged event to justify expanding the aggression against Pakistan.
doc noss
May 5th, 2010 at 11:50 am
You are absolutely correct. This was clearly a Mossad/CIA staged event to justify expanding the aggression against Pakistan.
doc noss
May 5th, 2010 at 11:50 am
You are absolutely correct. This was clearly a Mossad/CIA staged event to justify expanding the aggression against Pakistan.
MvGuy
May 5th, 2010 at 4:51 am
too bad Kurt Haskell wasn't one of the vendors………
musings
May 5th, 2010 at 4:55 am
So we are left to wonder for the moment whether it was the drone strikes or the economy that turned him. Or perhaps both. Anyone who jokes about drone strikes is on the same moral level as Bush joking about missing WMD's. Killing people in Times Square would have been just as bad. Imagine being as callous and pre-emptive as an American President. What depths of depravity. Fortunately, his incompetence spared him from going that low. Intent isn't everything. But it is possible to foresee a miserable day in which worries about random bombings of places where people congregate brings home, as they used to say, the war (in Iraq or Afghanistan, but mostly I am thinking about Baghdad). We as a nation are in no position to become a small homogeneous state with a wall around it. That means we have to find a better way than some fevered dream of apartheid and some harkening back to glory days where everyone around us belonged to our club or was kept out. I don't think we can count on evading the consequences of how revenge cultures behave when crossed. We just have to back slowly out of the hornet's nest and never go there again (if that is possible). Unfortunately, our growth paradigm and need for oil forces us to stay in the Mideast, and therein lies the tragedy of our common society.
MvGuy
May 5th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
I like your line "That means we have to find a better way than some fevered dream of apartheid and some harkening back to glory days where everyone around us belonged to our club or was kept out."
But your general, almost offhand remark, that "Unfortunately, our growth paradigm and need for oil forces us to stay in the Mideast, and therein lies the tragedy of our common society." I find disconnected and programed! WHY!!! WHY Do we need to STAY..?????? Can't we VISIT!!! TRADE??? As in GRAIN not GUNS…. or Boeings or bowling for the princes there to BURN their oil wealth. In reality, we are there for the arms industry and Israel.. If we give money, the oil will be delivered HERE, No need to go there, much less STAY there…. You say we NEED to STAY for OIL.
You don't explain why.. You need to listen to Ron Paul and others who deftly debunk the interventionalists rational for those who want to see US occupying half the world… Why do we STAY in Japan, Germany….Italy… Half of our federal taxes go to feed the monster that creates absolutely NOTHING… Death and destruction is their product… Yes we need them, but PLEASE in moderation and not in 175 countries. They should NOT get HALF out taxes. As with any bureaucracy, they CREATE situations which require their services.. Oh yes, for us to be secure, or for oil…maybe to just show our colors, defend democracy…support our friends.. "forces us to stay" In reality such thinking is making us less secure, bankrupting our economy, our morality and making us enemies around the world as we tell them, do what we say… Not what we DO.. You have drunk their koolaid.
MvGuy
May 5th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Bingo Paul, we can get those dual citizens to go over the citizenship renewals… They have double "our" experience..!! Is LIEberman one of them..??? or is he too discreet to openly sign on….
Chris Mallory
May 5th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
"during which time he reportedly received bomb-making “training” from the Taliban. If that is true, it doesn’t say much for their tutoring skills"
For all we know, they could be sending in the guys who failed bomb making classes. The bombs don't have to work, just the thought of one is enough to send the JBTs into overdrive.
If the Christmas bomber had been successful it might have been months or years before they figured out what happened. As it was, a few flames and we spend billions more on scanners and cripple our economy even more.
Chris Mallory
May 5th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
"during which time he reportedly received bomb-making “training” from the Taliban. If that is true, it doesn’t say much for their tutoring skills"
For all we know, they could be sending in the guys who failed bomb making classes. The bombs don't have to work, just the thought of one is enough to send the JBTs into overdrive.
If the Christmas bomber had been successful it might have been months or years before they figured out what happened. As it was, a few flames and we spend billions more on scanners and cripple our economy even more.
Chris Mallory
May 5th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
"during which time he reportedly received bomb-making “training” from the Taliban. If that is true, it doesn’t say much for their tutoring skills"
For all we know, they could be sending in the guys who failed bomb making classes. The bombs don't have to work, just the thought of one is enough to send the JBTs into overdrive.
If the Christmas bomber had been successful it might have been months or years before they figured out what happened. As it was, a few flames and we spend billions more on scanners and cripple our economy even more.
Chris Mallory
May 5th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
"during which time he reportedly received bomb-making “training” from the Taliban. If that is true, it doesn’t say much for their tutoring skills"
For all we know, they could be sending in the guys who failed bomb making classes. The bombs don't have to work, just the thought of one is enough to send the JBTs into overdrive.
If the Christmas bomber had been successful it might have been months or years before they figured out what happened. As it was, a few flames and we spend billions more on scanners and cripple our economy even more.
John Reading
May 5th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
We base our analysis on what we know about Shahzad. But we know nothing about him. We only know what we are told by the government-licensed MSM and they only know what they are told by the government itself. I am at the point where I believe nothing they tell us. I am convinced that they want control of the world's oil and all else is lying rhetoric to excuse their violence in pursuit of that oil. If Israel had all the oil, Jews would be the villians. I am also convinced that any important election will be rigged. Can anyone believe that these perverts in power would do all they do and yet NOT rig elections? Americans gave up their liberty before most of us were born. We are doomed as a country. We're a homeland, not a civilization. We are ruled by the ruthless.
epppie
May 5th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Or more.
But wait, Justin doesn't believe that there are ever, ever, ever conspiracies. Only crazy people think conspiracies ever exist.
epppie
May 5th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
Conspiracies do not exist. Conspiracies do not exist. Repeat as often as necessary. If that doesn't work, report to any appropriate gatekeeper for reprogramming.
Jeremiah
May 5th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
I agree that the latest "almost-bomb" reeks nearly as much as the crotch-bomb fiasco. While one cannot be certain—and certainty is an illusive thing when shady events are further shaded in the obfuscating umbra of the statist media—this could well be an act of covert propaganda. Of course, even if Shahzad *was* a free agent (and a curiously incompetent one at that), we can rest assured that our masters will squeeze the Times Square fizzle for all the fear and paranoia that it's worth.
But here's the burning question: Is another *successful* attack only a matter of time? At this point, such an attack seems almost inevitable. And whether the *true* perpetrators are furtive traitors or Muslims reacting to imperial aggression, it will make little difference to the wounded and the slain . . . or to the War Party.
tired of bs
May 5th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
all the wedding parties destroyed, all the pregnant women, children, women, men, murdered by usa and israel.
senator for israel, joe lieberman should have his american citizenship revoked and scumjoe should be in the boiling pots of uzbekistan.
walldizo
May 5th, 2010 at 8:54 am
I would like to entertain a question with Justin on this incident and others related to America's war on terror; Would the world be as is to-day had the US refused to contrive the creation of Israel in the Middle East???.
walldizo
May 5th, 2010 at 8:54 am
I would like to entertain a question with Justin on this incident and others related to America's war on terror; Would the world be as is to-day had the US refused to contrive the creation of Israel in the Middle East???.
Bene_Tleilax
May 5th, 2010 at 9:40 am
"Shahzad is an American citizen, although not for long, if Senator Joe Lieberman has his way"
Interesting. OK, let's do that! While we're at it we can also strip 95% of the Congress, starting with Lieberswine, of Their citizenship for "affiliating with foreign terrorist organizations", namely AIPAC.
As for this Faisal it's pretty obvious he never attended any bomb making classes – unless of course the NYPD is lying about the contents of the Nissan. Not much of a stretch there. But I doubt it. If they were going to lie then they would have lied the other way and called it a "dirty bomb" or some other unbelievable crap.
Looks like he was just an ordinary guy with an (understandable) grudge against JP Morgan, and not enough sense to copy a bomb recipe off the internet. It may even be the case the "bomb" was never meant to "go off" at all: just a parting FU prank before leaving Terrorist Empire for good.
Give my regards to Broadway.
stevieb
May 5th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
“I think it’s time for us to look at whether we want to amend that law to apply it to American citizens who choose to become affiliated with foreign terrorist organizations, whether they should not also be deprived automatically of their citizenship, and therefore be deprived of rights that come with that citizenship when they are apprehended and charged with a terrorist act.”
Excellent idea, Joe. Unfortunately, for you, that would mean the end of your American citizenship.
Actually, most of the U.S congress would be joining you…
paulBass
May 5th, 2010 at 10:13 am
"oh what its time for our yearly citizenship renewal interview, oh man i hope they don't have my comment list from antiwar.com"
paulBass
May 5th, 2010 at 10:13 am
"oh what its time for our yearly citizenship renewal interview, oh man i hope they don't have my comment list from antiwar.com"
paulBass
May 5th, 2010 at 10:13 am
"oh what its time for our yearly citizenship renewal interview, oh man i hope they don't have my comment list from antiwar.com"
leek
May 5th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
"The idea that some guys in a cave somewhere in the mountains of the Hindu Kush are capable of plotting and executing a complex terrorist plot on the other side of the world, all by their lonesome selves, is at the core of the administration’s case for the wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan."
If you can acknowledge this, why not acknowledge the same for 9/11?
Phonk
May 5th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
If you were following the news for a couple of months there were several warning of a terror attack and Shahzad had just fullfiled those government predictions.
Phonk
May 5th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
If you were following the news for a couple of months there were several warning of a terror attack and Shahzad had just fullfiled those government predictions.
Phonk
May 5th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
If you were following the news for a couple of months there were several warning of a terror attack and Shahzad had just fullfiled those government predictions.
Sean2009
May 5th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
I see they have captured a suspect in record time, as always. Seems whenever there is one of these terrorist attacks, they invariably identify and/or arrest the suspects in a matter of days, if not hours, of the attacks. That's stunning police work of almost psychic quality.
Compare this to how long it took to get the Son of Sam, Jeffrey Dahmer or other amateur criminals who left a trail of evidence a mile wide. They still haven't got that Zodiac guy.
But plant a bomb somewhere and walk away, and they are on your ass like an overtight pair of Speedos. Faster than you can drive to New Jersey during rush hour, they've rounded up some Muslim guy and he's ready to confess to every crime since the Lindbergh kidnapping. They have an amazingly consistent record of rapid arrests in these cases.
Somehow, they fail to solve crimes this fast in the movies, let alone in real life. Apparently, such rapid police work wouldn't make for a very convincing movie plot. But when it comes to terrorist attacks I guess "truth" is stranger than fiction.
How many times do they get to do this before you call bullshit on it?
doc noss
May 5th, 2010 at 11:50 am
You are absolutely correct. This was clearly a Mossad/CIA staged event to justify expanding the aggression against Pakistan.
Mike
May 5th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
Your proof is the picture? Jeez.
Please present real evidence that he is a CIA-man. Also, please present a clear thesis as to why the gov't would expend so much energy and resources to "scare us." I agree that the defense establishment has an incentive for war. It's another thing to say that they have somehow reached into all the places of power to pull off a stunt like this one without ANYONE (but you of course) knowing about it. You have a view of the world and are trying to fit every outcome to it. Instead, I recommend looking at events and finding the simplest, more reasonable explanation.
Mike
May 5th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
Your proof is the picture? Jeez.
Please present real evidence that he is a CIA-man. Also, please present a clear thesis as to why the gov't would expend so much energy and resources to "scare us." I agree that the defense establishment has an incentive for war. It's another thing to say that they have somehow reached into all the places of power to pull off a stunt like this one without ANYONE (but you of course) knowing about it. You have a view of the world and are trying to fit every outcome to it. Instead, I recommend looking at events and finding the simplest, more reasonable explanation.
Mezenc
May 5th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
Faisal Shahzad waited almost 2 days to start his getaway plan — Why? He could have walked from Times Square over to the Port Authority and gotten on a bus to get right away. Or to Penn Sta. or Grand Central to take a train. Hardly brilliant police work to identify him either. Those VIN numbers on the frame and the engine are not secrets.
One other thing that seems very odd is the way the story went from a car fire to a bomb as soon as Bloomberg got in on it.
MvGuy
May 5th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
I like your line "That means we have to find a better way than some fevered dream of apartheid and some harkening back to glory days where everyone around us belonged to our club or was kept out."
But your general, almost offhand remark, that "Unfortunately, our growth paradigm and need for oil forces us to stay in the Mideast, and therein lies the tragedy of our common society." I find disconnected and programed! WHY!!! WHY Do we need to STAY..?????? Can't we VISIT!!! TRADE??? As in GRAIN not GUNS…. or Boeings or bowling for the princes there to BURN their oil wealth. In reality, we are there for the arms industry and Israel.. If we give money, the oil will be delivered HERE, No need to go there, much less STAY there…. You say we NEED to STAY for OIL.
You don't explain why.. You need to listen to Ron Paul and others who deftly debunk the interventionalists rational for those who want to see US occupying half the world… Why do we STAY in Japan, Germany….Italy… Half of our federal taxes go to feed the monster that creates absolutely NOTHING… Death and destruction is their product… Yes we need them, but PLEASE in moderation and not in 175 countries. They should NOT get HALF out taxes. As with any bureaucracy, they CREATE situations which require their services.. Oh yes, for us to be secure, or for oil…maybe to just show our colors, defend democracy…support our friends.. "forces us to stay" In reality such thinking is making us less secure, bankrupting our economy, our morality and making us enemies around the world as we tell them, do what we say… Not what we DO.. You have drunk their koolaid.
MvGuy
May 5th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Bingo Paul, we can get those dual citizens to go over the citizenship renewals… They have double "our" experience..!! Is LIEberman one of them..??? or is he too discreet to openly sign on….
epppie
May 5th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Or more.
But wait, Justin doesn't believe that there are ever, ever, ever conspiracies. Only crazy people think conspiracies ever exist.
epppie
May 5th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
best comment ever!
Dianne Foster
May 5th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
I might have agreed with that assessment if I hadn't heard this: he is one of those guys who is basically secular (brought up that way, anyway) and the whole religious thing is actually a way to rally around those from Pashtun backgrounds who want all or part of Kashmir. Once you realize the worldly motives behind the actions, even under cover of religion (or with religion played up to achieve political solidarity – cf. Lady of Guadalupe, Polish Roman Catholic Solidarnosc), then you can see much more clearly that it isn't holy war, but a bid for power over a region, in which it seems he was fully onboard. It's important sometimes to part the curtain on the Holy of Holies to see the men and their this-life interests at play in a situation. Unfortunately, that is rarely the angle presented to an increasingly magical thinking American public, which is easily persuaded that other people think like babies like themselves.
Dianne Foster
May 5th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
I might have agreed with that assessment if I hadn't heard this: he is one of those guys who is basically secular (brought up that way, anyway) and the whole religious thing is actually a way to rally around those from Pashtun backgrounds who want all or part of Kashmir. Once you realize the worldly motives behind the actions, even under cover of religion (or with religion played up to achieve political solidarity – cf. Lady of Guadalupe, Polish Roman Catholic Solidarnosc), then you can see much more clearly that it isn't holy war, but a bid for power over a region, in which it seems he was fully onboard. It's important sometimes to part the curtain on the Holy of Holies to see the men and their this-life interests at play in a situation. Unfortunately, that is rarely the angle presented to an increasingly magical thinking American public, which is easily persuaded that other people think like babies like themselves.
Jeremiah
May 5th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
I agree that the latest "almost-bomb" reeks nearly as much as the crotch-bomb fiasco. While one cannot be certain—and certainty is an illusive thing when shady events are further shaded in the obfuscating umbra of the statist media—this could well be an act of covert propaganda. Of course, even if Shahzad *was* a free agent (and a curiously incompetent one at that), we can rest assured that our masters will squeeze the Times Square fizzle for all the fear and paranoia that it's worth.
But here's the burning question: Is another *successful* attack only a matter of time? At this point, such an attack seems almost inevitable. And whether the *true* perpetrators are furtive traitors or Muslims reacting to imperial aggression, it will make little difference to the wounded and the slain . . . or to the War Party.
musings
May 5th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
No, I have not drunk their koolaid and I am sorry that it can so easily be interpreted that way. I didn't choose to create the notion of America as the world's policeman. In fact I think it stinks. It's a delusion of grandeur. I don't agree with Pat Buchanan that WWII was an unnecessary war. I am perfectly aware that corporations (creatures of the state most of them) hedged their bets with Hitler much as Goldman Sachs hedged by puffing and shorting at the same time. They were happy to help Hitler to grow, while preparing to smite him. If they had not supported him in his infancy, they wouldn't have had such a big dragon to slay. You can see where this has worked with Iran and Iraq. It isn't just Israel's policies that are to blame, nor our craven acceptance of most of them, it is that our model for business is to get you coming and going. There is a finite amount of easy oil in the world, and it will not last forever. In the opinion of some, the game was to run in there, stir up the hornet's nest, and achieve that control of the well head, so that when China wanted it for development, we could sell it to them. It's a game like Wall Street – never closing, not really. It's going to make big wars, maybe a huge one someday soon. We aren't defending democracy in the invaded states. That's very sad hooey for the bumpkins, who sign up to fight for it and find themselves and all their equipment across the ocean when something like Katrina hits. Another "Doh!" moment for Homer.
musings
May 5th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
No, I have not drunk their koolaid and I am sorry that it can so easily be interpreted that way. I didn't choose to create the notion of America as the world's policeman. In fact I think it stinks. It's a delusion of grandeur. I don't agree with Pat Buchanan that WWII was an unnecessary war. I am perfectly aware that corporations (creatures of the state most of them) hedged their bets with Hitler much as Goldman Sachs hedged by puffing and shorting at the same time. They were happy to help Hitler to grow, while preparing to smite him. If they had not supported him in his infancy, they wouldn't have had such a big dragon to slay. You can see where this has worked with Iran and Iraq. It isn't just Israel's policies that are to blame, nor our craven acceptance of most of them, it is that our model for business is to get you coming and going. There is a finite amount of easy oil in the world, and it will not last forever. In the opinion of some, the game was to run in there, stir up the hornet's nest, and achieve that control of the well head, so that when China wanted it for development, we could sell it to them. It's a game like Wall Street – never closing, not really. It's going to make big wars, maybe a huge one someday soon. We aren't defending democracy in the invaded states. That's very sad hooey for the bumpkins, who sign up to fight for it and find themselves and all their equipment across the ocean when something like Katrina hits. Another "Doh!" moment for Homer.
Miles Gloriosus
May 5th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
Joe Lieberman states: "“I think it’s time for us to look at whether we want to amend that law to apply it to American citizens who choose to become affiliated with foreign terrorist organizations, whether they should not also be deprived automatically of their citizenship, and therefore be deprived of rights that come with that citizenship when they are apprehended and charged with a terrorist act.”
Joe Lieberman would have made Adolf Schickelgruber very proud.
Miles Gloriosus
May 5th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
Joe Lieberman states: "“I think it’s time for us to look at whether we want to amend that law to apply it to American citizens who choose to become affiliated with foreign terrorist organizations, whether they should not also be deprived automatically of their citizenship, and therefore be deprived of rights that come with that citizenship when they are apprehended and charged with a terrorist act.”
Joe Lieberman would have made Adolf Schickelgruber very proud.
Miles Gloriosus
May 5th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
Joe Lieberman states: "“I think it’s time for us to look at whether we want to amend that law to apply it to American citizens who choose to become affiliated with foreign terrorist organizations, whether they should not also be deprived automatically of their citizenship, and therefore be deprived of rights that come with that citizenship when they are apprehended and charged with a terrorist act.”
Joe Lieberman would have made Adolf Schickelgruber very proud.
tired of bs
May 5th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
all the wedding parties destroyed, all the pregnant women, children, women, men, murdered by usa and israel.
senator for israel, joe lieberman should have his american citizenship revoked and scumjoe should be in the boiling pots of uzbekistan.
curious
May 5th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
so many bombing opportunities, so many attempts, so many failures. in fact, all the attempts were impossible to carry out.
black ops?
an aside, a nation should receive as it gives.
Dianne Foster
May 5th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
"Deprived of rights that come with citizenship" – hm, I wonder what Lieberman thinks are only rights for those of Homeland citizens versus those of the rest of the earth, scum as it is. I wonder where his ancestors were when the Constitution was written. I wonder where he was when he first heard about it and about the Rights of Man. Did he sleep through history class when they talked about Thomas Jefferson's ideas (they weren't harping on his contradictions then as now). Somehow Joe Lieberman's vision of America is small and claustrophobic, like a gated community. In reality "Liberty's a glorious feast," and everyone is invited. What he is saying is that once you strip away citizenship, the rights go with it too and the powerful may do what they want with the disenfranchised. Could he be advocating slavery? I think so.
Dianne Foster
May 5th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
"Deprived of rights that come with citizenship" – hm, I wonder what Lieberman thinks are only rights for those of Homeland citizens versus those of the rest of the earth, scum as it is. I wonder where his ancestors were when the Constitution was written. I wonder where he was when he first heard about it and about the Rights of Man. Did he sleep through history class when they talked about Thomas Jefferson's ideas (they weren't harping on his contradictions then as now). Somehow Joe Lieberman's vision of America is small and claustrophobic, like a gated community. In reality "Liberty's a glorious feast," and everyone is invited. What he is saying is that once you strip away citizenship, the rights go with it too and the powerful may do what they want with the disenfranchised. Could he be advocating slavery? I think so.
Jeremiah
May 5th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
Shoot, this is downright progressive of ol' Joe. Just a while back Dennis Blair announced that the government could *summarily kill* US citizens based on secret criteria. But now Joe—God bless 'im for his patriotic fervor—is advocating summarily revoking citizenship *before* the accused (and of course the automatically *guilty*) is trotted before a tribunal or simply tossed into some black hole . . . . where maybe, just maybe, he'll conveniently commit "suicide." Well, folks, things is lookin' up after all. And here I was about to give up on my guvmint!
stevieb
May 5th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
“I think it’s time for us to look at whether we want to amend that law to apply it to American citizens who choose to become affiliated with foreign terrorist organizations, whether they should not also be deprived automatically of their citizenship, and therefore be deprived of rights that come with that citizenship when they are apprehended and charged with a terrorist act.”
Excellent idea, Joe. Unfortunately, for you, that would mean the end of your American citizenship.
Actually, most of the U.S congress would be joining you…
java
May 6th, 2010 at 12:25 am
the biggest flaw in the mainstream news is that the guy was aboard emirates even when his name was put in no fly zone. And when asked to the FBI how he was able to do it they simply blamed it on the plane's company. The question should be asked is which CIA person accompanied him through the VIP lounge of the airport. This whole thing is the plot of CIA and Republican daddies.
leek
May 5th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
"The idea that some guys in a cave somewhere in the mountains of the Hindu Kush are capable of plotting and executing a complex terrorist plot on the other side of the world, all by their lonesome selves, is at the core of the administration’s case for the wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan."
If you can acknowledge this, why not acknowledge the same for 9/11?
Mezenc
May 5th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
Faisal Shahzad waited almost 2 days to start his getaway plan — Why? He could have walked from Times Square over to the Port Authority and gotten on a bus to get right away. Or to Penn Sta. or Grand Central to take a train. Hardly brilliant police work to identify him either. Those VIN numbers on the frame and the engine are not secrets.
One other thing that seems very odd is the way the story went from a car fire to a bomb as soon as Bloomberg got in on it.
Sean2009
May 5th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
..or so we're told. Once again, we're to believe the terrorist masterminds left a trail of breadcrumbs a blind man could follow. How convenient that it's this easy, every time.
E. A. Costa
May 6th, 2010 at 4:11 am
As young, pious orthodox American boy, Joe dreamed, like all other idealistic American boys, of one day becoming president of the good old US of A.
Then Gore chose him as VP!
He was one step away!
Wasn't Gore lucky the Democrats had the election stolen from him?
E. A. Costa
May 6th, 2010 at 4:11 am
As young, pious orthodox American boy, Joe dreamed, like all other idealistic American boys, of one day becoming president of the good old US of A.
Then Gore chose him as VP!
He was one step away!
Wasn't Gore lucky the Democrats had the election stolen from him?
E. A. Costa
May 6th, 2010 at 4:11 am
As young, pious orthodox American boy, Joe dreamed, like all other idealistic American boys, of one day becoming president of the good old US of A.
Then Gore chose him as VP!
He was one step away!
Wasn't Gore lucky the Democrats had the election stolen from him?
Jeremiah
May 5th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
Shoot, this is downright progressive of ol' Joe. Just a while back Dennis Blair announced that the government could *summarily kill* US citizens based on secret criteria. But now Joe—God bless 'im for his patriotic fervor—is advocating summarily revoking citizenship *before* the accused (and of course the automatically *guilty*) is trotted before a tribunal or simply tossed into some black hole . . . . where maybe, just maybe, he'll conveniently commit "suicide." Well, folks, things is lookin' up after all. And here I was about to give up on my guvmint!
E. A. Costa
May 6th, 2010 at 4:11 am
As young, pious orthodox American boy, Joe dreamed, like all other idealistic American boys, of one day becoming president of the good old US of A.
Then Gore chose him as VP!
He was one step away!
Wasn't Gore lucky the Democrats had the election stolen from him?
musings
May 6th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
It's interesting that the purposes behind the Times Square demonstration (of incompetence or something else?) are rarely discussed in the tv media, where it is all parrots and preeners, or those with serious faces who push a neocon agenda (the "grownups" in the circus act). However I happened to catch a discussion on public radio in Boston which described Shahzad as from a military and secular family of Pashtuns. He seems to be politically motivated, and to be pro-his group in Kashmir, and not pro-Islam per se (certainly anti-India though). You might as well say the IRA is a Catholic group if you merely understand things that way. It's geography and power plays, and anyone who lives in certain parts of the world understands that whoever controls the passes and the water controls a great deal that has nothing to do with heaven and everything to do with earth. The US is patrolling Pakistan with drones, and there are missiles fired based on drone evidence, which is often ambiguous enough, while the Hellfire missiles are not.
But Anderson Cooper brings on Bill Maher to riff on Islam and the guilt that people like Shahzad must feel as the enjoy America and plot to destroy it. I didn't stick around to see if his psychobabble included a discussion of how when you drop bombs on a country its residents might return to hurt you. Is there a price to be paid for what we do? Or are we always just victims of fanatic evil? If we believe the latter and reinforce its message constantly, then we are going to implode as a nation.
musings
May 6th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
It's interesting that the purposes behind the Times Square demonstration (of incompetence or something else?) are rarely discussed in the tv media, where it is all parrots and preeners, or those with serious faces who push a neocon agenda (the "grownups" in the circus act). However I happened to catch a discussion on public radio in Boston which described Shahzad as from a military and secular family of Pashtuns. He seems to be politically motivated, and to be pro-his group in Kashmir, and not pro-Islam per se (certainly anti-India though). You might as well say the IRA is a Catholic group if you merely understand things that way. It's geography and power plays, and anyone who lives in certain parts of the world understands that whoever controls the passes and the water controls a great deal that has nothing to do with heaven and everything to do with earth. The US is patrolling Pakistan with drones, and there are missiles fired based on drone evidence, which is often ambiguous enough, while the Hellfire missiles are not.
But Anderson Cooper brings on Bill Maher to riff on Islam and the guilt that people like Shahzad must feel as the enjoy America and plot to destroy it. I didn't stick around to see if his psychobabble included a discussion of how when you drop bombs on a country its residents might return to hurt you. Is there a price to be paid for what we do? Or are we always just victims of fanatic evil? If we believe the latter and reinforce its message constantly, then we are going to implode as a nation.
j r
May 6th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
It was lucky for him. If Gore had 'won' you can be sure it would have been fatal for him and this Joe-bastard would have become Pres.
j r
May 6th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
Should have parked the Pathfinder in front of the White House.
drewhause
July 16th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
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