After 92 days of waiting for the Word from on high, the nation received its marching orders from our commander-in-chief – and it was a flop of major proportions. As his West Point audience looked on disdainfully – applauding only twice, and then tepidly – President Obama tried to make the case that his escalation of the war in Afghanistan and Pakistan is really just a prelude to withdrawal. But is it?
"It is important to recall why America and our allies were compelled to fight a war in Afghanistan in the first place. We did not ask for this fight. On September 11, 2001, nineteen men hijacked four airplanes and used them to murder nearly 3,000 people. They struck at our military and economic nerve centers. … As we know, these men belonged to al Qaeda … Al Qaeda’s base of operations was in Afghanistan, where they were harbored by the Taliban – a ruthless, repressive and radical movement that seized control of that country after it was ravaged by years of Soviet occupation and civil war, and after the attention of America and our friends had turned elsewhere."
Those who were hoping for some real change in our rhetoric, if not our foreign policy, with Obama in the White House are no doubt sorely disappointed right now, because George W. Bush could just as easily have spoken these very same words – and, indeed, he did utter endless variations on this identical theme when justifying our actions in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Yet the truth of the matter is that there are barely one-hundred al-Qaeda fighters in the whole of Afghanistan – so what are we doing there?
And just in case you were wondering how we are fighting a war without congressional authorization, Obama brings up the legacy of his predecessor, which he stands by without reservation:
"Just days after 9/11, Congress authorized the use of force against al Qaeda and those who harbored them – an authorization that continues to this day. The vote in the Senate was 98 to 0. The vote in the House was 420 to 1. For the first time in its history, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization invoked Article 5 – the commitment that says an attack on one member nation is an attack on all. And the United Nations Security Council endorsed the use of all necessary steps to respond to the 9/11 attacks. America, our allies and the world were acting as one to destroy al Qaeda’s terrorist network, and to protect our common security."
We’re good, we’re legal, this war is legitimate – but is it? There’s no al-Qaeda of any consequence in Afghanistan – so, I ask again, what are we doing there? Nowhere does Obama effectively answer this question, and that is the underlying weakness of this, his worst ever speech. We also get a bit of revisionist history – the kind that isn’t an improvement over the mainstream variety:
"Under the banner of this domestic unity and international legitimacy – and only after the Taliban refused to turn over Osama bin Laden – we sent our troops into Afghanistan. Within a matter of months, al Qaeda was scattered and many of its operatives were killed. The Taliban was driven from power and pushed back on its heels. A place that had known decades of fear now had reason to hope."
Afghanistan had "reason to hope" – for what? An eight-year occupation? Civil war, repression, aerial assaults, "collateral damage"? Because that is precisely what they got. More revisionist history ensues:
"Then, in early 2003, the decision was made to wage a second war in Iraq. The wrenching debate over the Iraq war is well-known and need not be repeated here. It is enough to say that for the next six years, the Iraq war drew the dominant share of our troops, our resources, our diplomacy, and our national attention – and that the decision to go into Iraq caused substantial rifts between America and much of the world."
Yes, the bad thing about the Iraq war wasn’t that it needlessly killed thousands – many thousands of Iraqis, and a far lesser number of Americans. Oh no: the really really bad thing about it was that it diverted attention and resources away from the battle Obama wanted to fight, the one in Afghanistan and Pakistan. That all happened in the bad old days of Republican rule, however, before the invention of "hope":
"Today, after extraordinary costs, we are bringing the Iraq war to a responsible end. We will remove our combat brigades from Iraq by the end of next summer, and all of our troops by the end of 2011 … We have given Iraqis a chance to shape their future, and we are successfully leaving Iraq to its people."
What a crock: we have given Iraqis eight years of utter horror, including hundreds of thousands of dead, countless wounded, a sectarian civil war that still rages, and a government just as tyrannical and unaccountable as the one we overthrew, if not more so. If that’s "success," then I’d hate to see what failure looks like.
Oh, but all isn’t rainbows and roses, not by a long shot:
"While we have achieved hard-earned milestones in Iraq, the situation in Afghanistan has deteriorated. After escaping across the border into Pakistan in 2001 and 2002, al Qaeda’s leadership established a safe haven there. Although a legitimate government was elected by the Afghan people, it has been hampered by corruption, the drug trade, an underdeveloped economy, and insufficient Security Forces. Over the last several years, the Taliban has maintained common cause with al Qaeda, as they both seek an overthrow of the Afghan government. Gradually, the Taliban has begun to take control over swaths of Afghanistan, while engaging in increasingly brazen and devastating acts of terrorism against the Pakistani people."
This business about al Qaeda’s leadership escaping over the border into Pakistan is key – but where is the evidence for it? None is offered. Yet on the basis of this assertion, we are expected to approve of the invasion of not one but two countries, Afghanistan and Pakistan. It seems to me that the President and his minions are gong to have to offer more in the way of proof. When Hillary Clinton went to Pakistan and told the Pakistanis that they were hiding Osama bin Laden, because he had to be somewhere in their country, the sheer stupidity of it was an insult to her hosts, and a major diplomatic faux pas: in making the same bland assertion, Obama is no more convincing than Hillary was. How do we know the al-Qaeda leadership is in Pakistan – are we just supposed to take Obama’s word for it? Sorry, but the credibility of the United States government in matters of this kind is absolutely nil, for reasons that should be obvious to all. The last time we were in a similar situation and took an American President at his word, we were royally screwed – do the Obama-ites really think we’re going to bend over yet again?
This business about how the Taliban and al-Qaeda share the same cause because they both want to overthrow the government of Afghanistan is nonsense, pure and simple. Al-Qaeda’s “cause” is the destruction of the continental United States, and its tactics reflect this objective: that’s what the 9/11 attacks were all about. The Taliban, on the other hand, just wants to kick the US out of their country period. They aren’t flying airliners into American skyscrapers yet.
The President really is all over the map in this speech, the text of which reflects the typical politician’s desire to be all things to all people. Here he is, Obama the hawk:
"Throughout this period, our troop levels in Afghanistan remained a fraction of what they were in Iraq. When I took office, we had just over 32,000 Americans serving in Afghanistan, compared to 160,000 in Iraq at the peak of the war. Commanders in Afghanistan repeatedly asked for support to deal with the reemergence of the Taliban, but these reinforcements did not arrive. That’s why, shortly after taking office, I approved a long-standing request for more troops. After consultations with our allies, I then announced a strategy recognizing the fundamental connection between our war effort in Afghanistan, and the extremist safe-havens in Pakistan."
There was poor little Afghanistan, alone and afraid in a world it never made, starved for more troops, neglected by the Bush White House and awaiting the steady hand of Obama the Warrior – who moved decisively and swiftly to call in the cavalry and save the day. Has a more self-serving, totally politicized partisan narrative ever been constructed on the rubble of a disastrous war?
Aside from the self-glorification and political posturing, however, there is something else about this speech that grates on the ears, and that is the way he rushed past inconvenient facts, as if he thought we wouldn’t notice. For example, when he talks about "President" Hamid Karzai, and the theft of the recent presidential election in Afghanistan:
"In Afghanistan, we and our allies prevented the Taliban from stopping a presidential election and – although it was marred by fraud – that election produced a government that is consistent with Afghanistan’s laws and constitution."
"Marred" by fraud? Invalidated is more like it. Karzai stole over a million votes. If this is "consistent with Afghanistan’s laws and constitution," then one has to wonder why we are sending our sons and daughters over there to die for a government founded on fraud.
Speaking of fraud, that’s really the basis of Obama’s rationale for the continued occupation of Afghanistan, because, you see, even he admits that al-Qaeda isn’t much of a presence: "Al Qaeda has not reemerged in Afghanistan in the same numbers as before 9/11, but they retain their safe-havens along the border." So we’re in Afghanistan in order to fight an enemy that’s in Pakistan? Good luck making that case – which Obama failed to make.
In failing to make that case, he also tripped over more than a few contradictions. On the one hand, he averred that "Afghanistan is not lost, but for several years it has moved backwards. There is no imminent threat of the government being overthrown" – but, on the other hand, he tells us: "In short: the status quo is not sustainable." But if the status quo is not sustainable, then something very close to defeat is indeed imminent – so which is it?
"Which is it?" is a question that kept popping up – in my mind, at least – the more I listened to this consummate politician make the biggest mistake of his career. Ambiguity and doubt hovered over the podium and inflected his every word, especially these words:
"As Commander-in-Chief, I have determined that it is in our vital national interest to send an additional 30,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan. After 18 months, our troops will begin to come home. These are the resources that we need to seize the initiative, while building the Afghan capacity that can allow for a responsible transition of our forces out of Afghanistan."
Don’t think of it as escalation – because it’s really the first act of withdrawal. The Yanks are coming – and they’re leaving, too. What kind of doubletalk is this?
Every President claims not to have made the decision to go to war "lightly," as Obama put it: every commander-in-chief claims to be going to war as a last resort, and evokes "restraint in the use of military force." Even George W. Bush did that. And, no, I’m not impressed that the President talked about worrying about "the long term consequences of our actions." If he didn’t – or didn’t claim to – then that would be really odd. But what if he hasn’t considered all the long-term consequences – or simply decided that we have to live with those consequences, after all? You know, just like his predecessor.
Speaking of George W. Bush, the following sounds awfully familiar:
"I make this decision because I am convinced that our security is at stake in Afghanistan and Pakistan. This is the epicenter of the violent extremism practiced by al Qaeda. It is from here that we were attacked on 9/11, and it is from here that new attacks are being plotted as I speak. This is no idle danger; no hypothetical threat. In the last few months alone, we have apprehended extremists within our borders who were sent here from the border region of Afghanistan and Pakistan to commit new acts of terror. This danger will only grow if the region slides backwards, and al Qaeda can operate with impunity."
The President refers here to the case of Najibullah Zazi, the 24-year-old Afghan-born immigrant who has lived in this country legally since 1999. So he didn’t come here, an invader, trying to penetrate American society – he was already here. The FBI asserts that he admitted to undergoing "military training" on two visits to Pakistan: Mr. Zazi says he just went to visit his wife. Furthermore, Zazi has yet to be convicted of anything – all in all, a pretty flimsy foundation on which to build the case for war.
As if aware of the insubstantiality of his case, Obama then goes Bushian on us, again, and plays the nuclear card:
"And the stakes are even higher within a nuclear-armed Pakistan, because we know that al Qaeda and other extremists seek nuclear weapons, and we have every reason to believe that they would use them."
Remember how the Bush administration officials went on and on about that infamous "mushroom cloud" Condi Rice was always talking about? Rice, Cheney, and President Bush all conjured visions of nuclear holocaust if we didn’t heed their calls to go to war with Iraq. Americans are scared to death of anything nuclear: you have merely to evoke a vision of radioactive devastation and you have them quaking in their boots, ready to do anything, consent to anything, in order to avoid it: it is their Room 101, and it works every time.
So what will victory look like? Well, something like this:
"Our overarching goal remains the same: to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and to prevent its capacity to threaten America and our allies in the future."
Since there are less than a hundred al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, the war is half-won already – right? Well, perhaps not quite: and then there’s Pakistan. What does he intend to do about that? Nothing that he’ll admit right at this moment, but the inevitable question arises: when will we invade? This drone campaign can’t continue indefinitely: soon the time will come for boots on the ground, and then what? Will we be told, in July, 2011, that, yes, we’re beginning to withdraw from Afghanistan – as Obama announced in his speech – so that we can go to where the real action is – in Pakistan? I’d lay odds on it.
This is a shell game, but I don’t think the American people are gong to fall for it. Just as they are going to look askance at Obama’s trio of announced war aims:
"We must deny al Qaeda a safe-haven. We must reverse the Taliban’s momentum and deny it the ability to overthrow the government. And we must strengthen the capacity of Afghanistan’s Security Forces and government, so that they can take lead responsibility for Afghanistan’s future."
All this – by July of 2011?
The fast-paced tempo of this military operation – the rushing of the troops to the Af-Pak front at "the fastest pace possible" – has about it an air of panic, and even disarray. It projects anything but strength. Obama, in this instance, looked like someone about to take a liberal dose of some very nasty medicine, who downs it all in one gulp so as to get it over with as fast as possible. But this accelerated surge – or "super"-surge – is likely to be followed by yet another, and several more before we’re done, and to pretend otherwise is just dishonest. But then this whole speech was just one extended exercise in flim-flammery.
There were seven or eight references in the speech to the happy day when we hand over responsibility to Afghan forces – another reminder of the Bush era, when George W. made constant references to the day when the Iraqis would "stand up" so we could "stand down." And still the war went on for years, as it will in this case. "Just as we have done in Iraq, we will execute this transition responsibly, taking into account conditions on the ground."
Just as we have done in Iraq – hundreds of thousands of deaths later. Why am I not feeling reassured?
Now we get to the real meat of the issue:
"There are those who suggest that Afghanistan is another Vietnam. They argue that it cannot be stabilized, and we are better off cutting our losses and rapidly withdrawing. Yet this argument depends upon a false reading of history. Unlike Vietnam, we are joined by a broad coalition of 43 nations that recognizes the legitimacy of our action."
It is Obama who misreads history. During the Vietnam war, we had a number of allies, including, in the beginning, the French, from whom we inherited the struggle. Troops from Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Thailand, Taiwan, and Francisco Franco’s Spain all fought in the war on the US side. And he is not only misreading history, he’s misreading reality when he avers that "Unlike Vietnam, we are not facing a broad-based popular insurgency." If we weren’t facing such an insurgency, we wouldn’t need to be sending 30,000 more troops, now would we?
Again, Obama reverts to the "safe havens" theme, averring that we are in mortal danger from jihadists holed up in a cave somewhere in Pakistan. And, indeed, Pakistan hangs over this peroration like a dark cloud:
"We are in Afghanistan to prevent a cancer from once again spreading through that country. But this same cancer has also taken root in the border region of Pakistan. That is why we need a strategy that works on both sides of the border."
In spite of all the folderol about how the US and Pakistan are fast friends and allies, and how we are committed to helping them, subsidizing them, and protecting them, there is no "mutual trust" as Obama would have it, but only mutual contempt and distrust – as Hillary Clinton made clear during her recent trip to Pakistan, where she all but directly accused her hosts of hiding Osama bin Laden. If Obama is seeking "a strategy that works on both sides of the border," then one day he is going to have to cross that border. And I don’t think he’ll hesitate for one moment to widen this war. That’s what this speech, and all this fanfare at the launching of yet another military campaign, are all about: preparing us for a much wider regional war, one that envelopes Pakistan and most of the other Central Asian stans. Because as we drive them into Pakistan, and then out of there and into, say, Tajikistan – well, let’s just say there are lots of possible "safe havens" in that part of the world. Out by July, 2011? Don’t bet the ranch on it: by that time we’ll already be in the "tribal areas" of Pakistan, and encroaching on Uzbekistan.
I loved it how Obama sought to frame his position as the "centrist" one, with extremists on either side – those calling for withdrawal, and "those who oppose identifying a timeframe for our transition to Afghan responsibility. Indeed, some call for a more dramatic and open-ended escalation of our war effort one that would commit us to a nation building project of up to a decade." His, of course, is the reasonable, rational middle position: pragmatic, cool-headed, deliberative – and dead wrong.
Wrong because, contra Obama, securing Afghanistan is not a "vital national interest" – it is peripheral, and marginal. Those infamous "safe havens" are neither safe, nor are they effective havens, and have little if anything to do with launching terrorist attacks on the continental United States. The 9/11 attacks were planned and executed on American soil, by individuals who entered this country legally: even if Osama bin Laden had somehow met the business end of a guided missile prior to 9/11, the attacks – which were already fully planned and in place – would still have occurred. Al Qaeda, which has always been decentralized and organized along the lines of a concept akin to "leaderless resistance," is even more amorphous and hard to pin down than ever. Does Obama really believe taking out a few training camps in Pakistan is going to decapitate that hydra-headed snake?
The entire rationale for the continuing occupation of Afghanistan is unconvincing, which is why this speech was one of Obama’s worst. Far from rallying the country around an increasingly unpopular war, it only serves to underscore the weakness of his position. If this is the best arguments Team Obama can come up with, then it’s going to make my job a lot easier – and Obama’s a lot harder, for sure.
The low point of this ponderous peroration was the startling discovery that Obama pines for the good old days of the Bush era, when we were all united – in fear:
"It is easy to forget that when this war began, we were united bound together by the fresh memory of a horrific attack, and by the determination to defend our homeland and the values we hold dear. I refuse to accept the notion that we cannot summon that unity again. I believe with every fiber of my being that we as Americans can still come together behind a common purpose."
Yes – mass murder is indeed a common purpose. The common purpose of every army of aggressors. It is a purpose, however, that no civilized people ever takes up. Unlike Obama, I do not long for the return of the darkest days of the Bush years, when fear permeated the air like a poisonous fog, and all those who broke the sacred "unity" of the moment were denounced as "traitors" and "fifth columnists" by the Smear Bund.
So, you thought Obama was going to be different – that he represented "change"? Well, in the end, you got the same blood and thunder, the rhetorical boilerplate common to all demagogues:
"We are passing through a time of great trial. And the message that we send in the midst of these storms must be clear: that our cause is just, our resolve unwavering. We will go forward with the confidence that right makes might, and with the commitment to forge an America that is safer, a world that is more secure, and a future that represents not the deepest of fears but the highest of hopes."
The resolve of fanatics and fools is perpetually "unwavering." Aggressors and bullies are always "going forward." And the mighty are always supremely assured of the rightness of their cause. They claim to want only "security," and their appeal is invariably to the "highest of hopes."
And it always ends in oceans of blood.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013





Johnny in Wi.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:21 am
Devastating analysis Justin: There is nothing that can be said to justify what Obama is doing. How will the neocons and neolibs keep this farce going much longer?
Mark
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:34 am
44% of DailyKOS supported this speech. If those 44% are what pass for "liberal Democrats", then this nation is fucked. And so is the world…
I guess those Kossacks would have no problems with an Iran War then.
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george007
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:10 am
The escalation is pointless, and, it just may drive more Afghans to join up with the Taliban. We need to begin to wind this adventure down now, not July 2011.
Bruce M Smith
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:03 am
Excellent analogy of Obuma's speech. I'll be reading other critiques also today, but I'm glad -as usual – I go to antiwar.com first. Raimondo, your that stone they found in Egypt that solved so many mysteries…
mr tolemo
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:28 am
Lyndon Baines Obama !
victoriopeak
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:50 am
Not only did Obama keep Bush's Secretary of Defense, he apparently kept his speechwriters as well. Whenever a President gives a speech, the public should be given the name and background of the person/s who wrote it. President Ron Paul would not have others write his speeches for him. Indeed, he wouldn't even write them himself. He doesn't need a script, he can just get up there and talk. How pathetic is American politics, and destroying the world!
dsmith
December 2nd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
America is like a person who, after being assualted, can never move on but rather allows the trauma to ruin his or her life. It doesn't help if the patient has a devious doctor who doesn't want the patient to get well, knowing that his leverage and power over the patient would lessen. This is how the neocons and their useful idiots like O'Reily , Hannity and Beck keep coming up with Alice in Wonderland scenarios for why we should never recover from the trauma of 9-11. This is also a convenient way to maintain 200,000 troops in the region so that when Israel drags us into a war with Iran we'll be ready for another dose of war crack.
victoriopeak
December 2nd, 2009 at 12:06 pm
dsmith, you are exactly right, and well said!
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Learning
December 2nd, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Also remember that Al Qaeda was our ally and there are reports of CIA doings with Bin Laden. The press releases and political speeches are just part of the smoke and mirrors. This is all about Brzezinski and Co's geopoitical hubris.
To get to the truth the current series of military actions and scare mongering of the public we need an honest inquirey of what happened on 9/11.
zouppie
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Obama is just the latest eunuch figurehead whose major job responsibility is to lie to the American people, so as to keep the oligarchs who rule the world undetected and unmolested. Is it really in America's interest to get Turkmenistan's natural gas to Israel’s oil terminal at Ashkelon?
TippyCanoe
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:52 pm
@ Learning – spot on!
You can thank Zbigniew Brzezinski and William Casey for al Qaeda via Operation Cyclone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
Also there was never a CRIMINAL investigation of 9/11, which, normally, is standard protocol.
Many of the supposed hijackers have been reported alive and well, victims of stolen identity & passports. Yet the government has not changed its story. So no one knows who the real hijackers were and yet they still stand by this bogus 19 hijackers theory to perpetuate war.
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a0…
Another odd note is that Osama bin Laden has never been charged by the FBI with the crime of 9/11 due to what they say is a lack of evidence.
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articl…
NewUlm
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Sweet more war!!!! I did not vote for obama (or mccain for that matter), but deep down their was a little hope that this guy would at least stop the wars, along w/ his massive spending programs that will waste even more of our declining dollar. But, that was crushed by his 3rd day in office! So, this speech comes as no surprise, this guys is OWNED by so many special interest groups that is makes my head spin – Finance, Unions, Military Complex, Health, Energy, etc, etc. So, now we face another 3 yrs of sending kids off to die and to kill folks that don't want us in their country – Go America! We now offically have Bush 3 with a massive injection of Keynes!
JohnDowser
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:35 pm
The historic reference will be from now on:
Obama the Warmonger.
Famous last tweet: "no peace without maximal escalation".
jermigio
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:41 pm
We are "sending our sons and daughters over there to die for a government founded on fraud." But that government is the U.S. government, not the puppet regime in Kabul.
MoT
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:23 pm
True enough…. though there seem to be plenty of NeoLibs more than willing to participate. They're two sides to the same corrupt coin.
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Dennis
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:27 pm
92 days of waiting to hear what we knew he would already say. Continue the Imperial decree – War on everyone and everything that defies us. Obama enjoys playing games with everyone's heads to keep everybody jumping, and give the impression he is deep in thought about his decisions. No doubt about it: The man is extremely dangerous and tyrannical.
MoT
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Do you see them or anybody else for that matter within government chaffing at the bit to get the TRUTH out? (looks all around)…. Well, neither do I so don't hold your breath that it'll ever happen. What will happen are bigger and nastier tragedies and supposed "emergencies" to push this donkey cart of lies along the road to ruin. With those dramas fresh in our collective "non-memory" 9/11 gets pushed further away and becomes more of a mystery and a myth. All to the elites benefit and the ruin of the rest of us.
MoT
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Somehow this is all surreal. If I didn't see shades of JFK/LBJ in this, and you know full well what became of all that, I'd think this was a sci-fi episode being written in real time.
C.Yeung
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:37 am
"Troops from Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Thailand, Taiwan, and Francisco Franco’s Spain all fought in the war on the US side."
Justin, just wanted to point out a small errata. Canadian troops never fought in the Vietnam war. If you recall, Canada was actually a favored safe-haven for American deserters and draft-dodgers during the time. Canada's troops' involvement in Vietnam was limited to a small number of forces in 1973 to enforce the Paris Peace Accords.
Learning
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:42 pm
I did not vote for Obama. I did have a small hope that with the democratically controlled congress something would happen in the finding out what really happened that day. If only to stick it to Bush… But when I saw that he has Bush retreads in his administration I realized it was same old same old.
At least I think it is dawning on more people that the ruling elites are not our friend.
AVietnamWarVet
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:50 pm
"All murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets." – Voltaire. Obama has joined Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc – ALL of the Neocons and Zionists as a WAR CRIMINAL! Obama, with his Harvard degree, is a smiling idiot and moron – just another puppet for the bankers, Neocons, and Zionists – endless war until we are bankrupt! As Nikita Krushchev predicted: "We don't have to worry about the United States. They will spend themselves out of existence." The generals asked for more troops to be sent to Vietnam and they were sent – how did that work out for US? I don't need a crystal ball to tell how sending more troops to Afghanistan – "the graveyard of empires and of soldiers – how that will work out!
victoriopeak
December 2nd, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Obama made positive reference to a speech Karzai recently gave. Gen. Petraeus, on CNN moments ago, also made positive reference to Karzai's speech. I'll betcha the person/s who wrote Obama's speech also wrote Karzai's. Any takers?
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Dean
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:31 pm
I admit I am a conservative hawk. No, not a neocon. But at some point you have to ask yourself, "what is the point?" I agree with Mr. Raimondo because the current strategy has no point. In fact, the President's speech had the unique ability to anger doves and hawks.
Personally, I believe war should be fought all out or not at all. Eight years of half-a$$ doesn't cut it. In fact, I fail to see how this war in that place can be fought all out. (See WWII films of bombed-out cities. Bombing had a point when followed by ground soldiers. Beating-up your enemy to the point they want it to just end.) Here, chasing Taliban around while building schools that the Taliban later destroy is insane. (We lack the will to beat them up. Moreover, I'm not sure we know who we are beating-up.) Let's deploy some Commerce Department bureaucrats too. That will help.
Let's save the money, (That's the conservative side.) save the lives (Ditto.) and stop playing "Police Officer of The World" (That's the Glenn Beck listening side.) and come home.
See, us conservatives and liberals can agree on something.
RickR30
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:34 pm
A fantastic deconstruction of Obama's ridiculous speech. One very early fan of Obama told me she likes him because he contradicts himself. Well, there you have it. I'm sure she wasn't the only one who favors non-sense over reason, figments of the mind over reality.
This speech will be forever used by teachers of logic and critical thinking- if they weren't liberals first and teachers third.
Can't wait for the July 2011 speach announcing whatever it is that MadMcChrystal wants to do in order to achieve the goals imposed by the International Neoconnery. More soldiers, more equipment, broader involvement, etc.
At least with this, Obama sealed his fate as a one-term president and of those no one will remember in a couple of decades. Not even the color of his skin will make him any more meaningful. Of course he could always bring about more death and destruction and make himself more despised than Bush. And next election get ready for the a Republican candidate who might very well bring about the apocalypse that the Christians long for. Netanyahu – (J.) Lieberman 2012!
Dean
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:40 pm
It took him 92 days to learn how to read the teleprompter without laughing.
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The_Orlonater
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:29 am
To any if the "liberal democrats" that voted for Obama, please remember that he was reiterating these same old hawkish slogans during the campaign. Your own naivete is at fault here.
anonymous
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:35 am
its pretty hard for the FIB to charge someone outside the US with anything. Thats not their job. That would be the CIA's department.
fedupandsick
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:22 am
What was the choice? mccain and hillary are more hawkish. Forget 3rd party, that ain't never happening. So it was a choice of how much escalation more than naivete. Maybe a little naive in thinking the dude was too smart for this shit and might see the light.
MvGuy
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:23 am
President Obama's speech was a sad disappointment for me. His unconvincing performance and the mind altering sophistry……
"Our friends have fought and bled and died alongside us in Afghanistan. Now, we must come together to end this war successfully. For what’s at stake is not simply a test of NATO’s credibility — what’s at stake is the security of our allies and the common security of the world."
Yaa, it's those Taliban rascals, not the thermonuclear armed super power aggressor with 175 basses in other lands seeking their energy resources.. It's those cave dwellers we gotta watch and stop..!!
Not the bush monsters who so gleefully killed a million to get their oil…. But hey, don't worry, America will always be on top… It will never be America's turn in the barrell
Mot wrote "Somehow this is all surreal" For me other worldly…. The F@#^kin pods….
Let me end by sayin, I don't think I, we can blame Obama…too much…… When you think about it…..
to be the one to "lose" Afghanistan would be political suicide.. Not jus for Omama, but for people of color writ large….. and the 3O,OOO punt may be a balanced equivocation……. What do I purpose..??
I'll get back to you on that, I want 92 days…..
Corkey
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:30 am
I didn't even bother to watch. Why bother ? The man is an empty suit. Thanks for the analysis but did you really expect anything else from this used-lemon salesman ?? So very glad I did not vote for him or McStain.
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Alan MacDonald
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:22 am
Justin, you're right, the speech was tortuous and full of incongruities.
The key to understanding the impossibility of Obama’s dilemma is that he is trying to defend a Global Empire with American blood and treasure.
Obviously Obama will not articulate this reality, and thus his plan entails seminal incongruities, which are seen by a few, but sensed by the wider audience of Americans.
Obama has tried to gloss over these incongruities by using the historical techniques of Empires’ salesmen — he has engendered fear by characterizing the enemy as a “spreading cancer”, or ‘falling dominos’ like communism — but the real spreading cancer is the Global Empire that hired him to guilefully defend it with American blood and treasure.
Historically, the salesmanship of Empire has always been based on promising the domestic population that they will share the ‘spoils of war’, or the ‘safety of winning’, in return for fighting, and paying, for imperialist adventures.
But Obama, although a consummate salesman, will encounter increasing resistance from the American populus because of the unique incongruities of fighting and paying for a Global Empire with domestic dollars and dead, and without any benefits actually accruing to the American public.
Obama’s dilemma in selling and defending the escalation of war first in Afghanistan, and then in Central Asia and the greater Middle East, is the same as his dilemma regarding his escalating defense of the very same Global Empire on Wall Street —- that all the benefits are privatized and all the costs are socialized.
Alan MacDonald
Andrewp111
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:17 am
It seems that everyone around the world who saw or heard his speech thought it was an unconvincing flop. Left wing, right wing, US, Germans, UK, you name it. Obama is trying to run a war by putting his wet finger in the wind and testing the breeze, then splitting the difference. You can't run a war like that. You have 3 options – (1) you fight to win, (2) you get out, or (3) you raze the place to the ground, kill em all and salt the earth so that nothing will ever grow.. Any "fourth way" or "middle course" option is guaranteed to fail.
Michele Simpson
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:31 am
george w. obama.
ZionismIsRacism
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:45 am
Any obomunist kool-aid drinkers that STILL think he is any different (in a good way) from dub the shrub, they will never see the light and are a lost cause. One of the worst parts is obama never made any claim that he was anti-war, he said he was going to pull out of iraq (which i doubt he will ever fully do) to refocus on the "right" war, the "good" war in afghanistan. anyone who was surprised by this action hasnt been paying close enough attention.
dsmith
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:36 am
When O' appointed Rahm Emmanuel, an Israeli citizen, to be his chief of staff you knew a war crazy likudite like Emmanuel was going to advise him to keep troops in the region.
Jane Doe
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Look at the FBI's most wanted list — Usama is on there but not for 9/11.
Jane Doe
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:11 pm
On his FBI Most Wanted poster Bin Laden is charged with other crimes, but not with 9/11. Check it out yourself:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden….
A few years ago, Rex Tomb, head of FBI publicity at the time, told at least two reporters, questioning independently, that it was because the FBI lacked "hard evidence" that Bin Laden was behind 9/11.
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William
December 3rd, 2009 at 5:43 pm
I am glad to see that someone has dsputed Pesident Obama's flimsey assertion ht Afghanistan was differnt fromViet Nam. I wa amazed a how the spch writes ha not done teir homewok. In Viet Nam we had 49,000 troops fromSouth Korea alone!
Jane Doe
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Agreed. Obama's paying off the Israel lobby that got him elected . The settlement issue is a red herring to distract us from Israel's bigger goals in the Middle East and South Asia.
Urbanimso
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Literally . . . does the president have a gun at his head?
phersh
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Justin at his best. Ruthlessly, brilliantly logical. I hope all you commenting folks are donating some bucks to antiwar.com!
Some people say that Obama is dancing to the tune of Zbigniew Brzezinski, one of Obama's teachers at Columbia, and the end game here is attacking Russia. Talk about old generals fighting the last war. Brzezinski is 81 years old and wants revenge for the Russian abuses in Poland 70 years ago.
Wilbur
December 4th, 2009 at 4:30 am
Analysis like this from Justin is why I keep contributing to Antiwar.com even if I have been away for weeks. Thank you for penetrating through the hypnotic incantations of the new regime to expose it for what it is — the same as the old regime. We won't get fooled again as long as Justin keeps dishing it out like this.
Johnny in Wi.
December 4th, 2009 at 6:10 am
I saw Brezinski for a couple minutes on his daughter's show. I thought he seemed to be for a pullout. He also called for the shooting down of Israeli warplanes by our air forces if they try to bomb Iran, on another ocassion. He even said it would be payback for the USS Liberty. He doesn't like what Israel is doing, that's for sure.
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JM25
December 24th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
People like us have been saying this since Obama was campaigning on false hopes and promises of change. He is a war mongering sock puppet of war financiers and war criminals. Did I mention…WAR?!?!?! Our struggles are far from over if we ever expect to create a peaceful and just society for the world to live in. It will be up to us to make it happen. It always has been. First however, the people will have to strip the power from our current leaders and re-assume the leadership that we must uphold in order to protect ourselves from any imminent threat…be it foreign or domestic. The govt. has something big in the pipeline, so don't be suprised when we are in the midst of another calamity that seems uncontrollable.
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