Like Rip van Winkle, it seems that the American antiwar movement is – finally – waking up, although, like the original Rip, it doesn’t seem to have changed its idle ways. "A restive antiwar movement," avers the New York Times, "largely dormant since the election of Barack Obama, is preparing a nationwide campaign this fall to challenge the administration’s policies on Afghanistan." Just how restive, however, is a matter of some ambiguity.
No real national protests have been called by any significant antiwar grouping. Instead, we are to be treated to scattered local protests. The Times reports that, in response to the administration’s announcement that they’re sending 20,000 more troops to Afghanistan,
"Antiwar leaders have engaged in a flurry of meetings to discuss a month of demonstrations, lobbying, teach-ins, and memorials in October to publicize the casualty count, raise concerns about the cost of the war, and pressure Congress to demand an exit strategy."
Oh, but there’s a slight problem: that old reliable "lightning rod for protest," George W. Bush, is gone, replaced by a liberal icon whom "progressives" are loath to criticize. Antiwar organizers, we are told, "face a starkly changed political climate from just a year ago," but what the article fails to mention is that this change has taken place among a very narrow group of people. Progressives who were jumping up and down denouncing Bush’s war are silent – and even, in the case of groups like VoteVets, enthusiastic supporters – when it comes to Obama’s wars.
Yet the real change, and far more significant, is the one taking place in the population at large, among Republicans as well as Democrats. A new Washington Post/ABC News poll finds, for the first time, that a majority of Americans think the Afghan war is "not worth it." The breakdown is even more ominous for the Obamaites: of the antiwar contingent, 41 percent feel strongly, while on the other side, only 31 percent feel that way. The belief that the U.S. and its dwindling band of allies can reasonably expect to win the war is similarly wavering.
What support the president has managed to maintain on this issue has a soft underbelly highly vulnerable to continued bad news from the battlefield – which is one reason why the administration has hired the Rendon Group, whose marketing job for Ahmed Chalabi worked out so well, to vet "embedded" reporters in Afghanistan. The Obama crowd, like its predecessors, knows full well the value of controlling the narrative. Now if only they can declare a "cyber-emergency" and seize control of the Internet, as Jay Rockefeller’s bill envisions!
Yet not even that would succeed, I’ll wager: the American people are sick and tired of constant wars, and it doesn’t matter if the commander in chief is a Democrat, a Republican, or a Vegetarian.
This is a reality the War Party has had to contend with ever since the Founders’ time, and as our old republic morphed into an Empire, it has been increasingly a problem for our rulers. Americans have a natural antipathy to meddling in the affairs of other peoples, a sentiment often derided as obstinate "isolationism" by our all-knowing elites, who, of course, know better. More bad news for the War Party: hostility to overseas adventurism is amplified in times of economic trouble, when it seems – to any ordinary person, that is – as if we have enough problems to deal with right here at home. Why, they want to know, are we engaging in "nation-building" in Afghanistan, of all places, when our own country seems to be literally falling apart at the seams?
This is precisely why the New York Times piece rings so hollow when it gets to enumerating reasons for the general lack of enthusiasm among progressives for opposing the Afghan war: you see, "The health care battle is consuming the resources of labor unions and other core Democratic groups."
Is it really necessary to point out that funding for the healthcare programs these groups say they want is being diverted into the Afghan money pit? Congressman Ron Paul, the libertarian Republican whose anti-interventionist views set him apart from the other GOP presidential contenders, rightly argues that if we would "just get rid of the Empire" we’d have enough to subsidize healthcare for every American – and then some.
Of course, Rep. Paul, being a libertarian, opposes government-subsidized healthcare, but I’m just sayin’ – if American progressives really, really want these programs, then why aren’t they fighting for them by demanding an end to a war that will wind up devouring any chance for a fiscally feasible national healthcare system?
The reason, I believe, is because, as Jon Soltz, leader of VoteVets.org, puts it, "People do not want to take on the administration. Generating the kind of money that would be required to challenge the president’s policies just isn’t going to happen."
It’s fascinating to watch "antiwar leaders" like Soltz – who openly supports the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan – move in the opposite direction from the rest of the country. What "people" don’t want to take on the administration? Why, Soltz and his oh-so-progressive friends who run Democratic front organizations, that’s who.
Rank-and-file progressives, however, have a very different view. The Washington Post/ABC News poll shows almost eight in ten self-identified liberal Democrats saying the war isn’t worth it, a precipitous 22 percent decline in support since March from that particular demographic. A development with even more potential significance is the lack of support among reliably pro-war Republicans: a mere 58 percent say the U.S. is winning the war in Afghanistan. As the pollsters put it [.pdf]:
"The changes have not come in Obama’s base alone. Looking just by partisan affiliation, support for decreasing the U.S. deployment has risen by 20 points since January among Democrats, but also by 15 points among independents and by 12 points among Republicans. Since March, views that the war’s been worth fighting have lost 14 points among Democrats, but also 7 points among independents and Republicans alike."
The major rationale – a purely political one, I might point out – for the Afghan war among Democrats, and the argument advanced by "centrists" against the antiwar base, is that exhibiting "weakness" in foreign policy matters opens the administration and the party in general to attacks from Republicans. Yet if a good part of the GOP’s own base is increasingly disenchanted with our Afghan adventure, then that excuse becomes ever less credible. This just adds to the irony of the "official" antiwar movement’s notorious left-sectarianism, which effectively excludes conservative and libertarian speakers at antiwar events and refuses to address the concerns of ordinary, middle-class Americans.
Contra Soltz, while money is an important factor is building an effective antiwar movement – we’ve just finished a particularly grueling fundraising drive, as I probably needn’t remind you – it is hardly decisive. What’s more important is the depth of commitment, and that is what seems truly lacking in what passes for the antiwar movement these days.
The Times cites Tom Andrews, national director of Win Without War, as saying "’most liberals ‘want this guy to succeed’" and fear the unfolding disaster in Afghanistan "could be a devastating albatross around the president’s neck." Whether this is a prescription for picking up the pace of liberal antiwar protests, in order to alert the Obama administration to the danger, or a rationale for inaction, so as not to have that albatross weigh even heavier around the Dear Leader’s neck, is not at all clear – although I rather suspect the latter.
A visit to the Web site of the main antiwar coalition, United for Peace and Justice, reveals little urgency when it comes to the Afghan war, and I note the only national actions scheduled for fall are being launched by groups other than UFPJ. Evidence of those "local actions" calling for an end to the Afghan war is scant: a search of their events calendar notes very few.
Of course, since UFPJ is dominated by the old Commie network – the remnants of the CPUSA and its social democratic split-off, the Committees of Correspondence – this is hardly surprising. These people have long been a drag on the antiwar movement, stifling the creation of a broad-based anti-interventionism in favor of saddling protests with the familiar litany of liberal demands. Now Obama’s campaign for free ice cream has totally eclipsed the ostensibly antiwar aims of the movement, inducing near complete paralysis.
While the "official" antiwar movement – which most certainly does not include this Web site – is sleepily rubbing its eyes and reluctantly responding to the president’s alarming escalation of the "Af-Pak" war, the determination of some elements of the movement is admirably unequivocal: "In the next year, it will more and more become Obama’s war," says Perry O’Brien, president of the New York chapter of Iraq Veterans Against the War. "He’ll be held responsible for the bloodshed."
Really? While I wouldn’t hold my breath, I’d love to be pleasantly surprised. I should point out, however, that it isn’t just the president who makes our wrong-headed foreign policy, it’s the Democratic Party establishment, in coalition with its Republican equivalent. The entire apparatus of the party machinery, its leaders, and a great many of its most active foot-soldiers – including those in the media – are beholden to the War Party and amenable to its decisive influence in the world of Washington politics. As long as the "official" antiwar movement is merely the tail on the Democratic donkey, there will be no effective opposition to our war-crazed foreign policy, at least not in this country.
NOTES IN THE MARGIN
Our summer fundraising campaign, as I mentioned above, was particularly brutal this go-round. I was beginning to wonder if it would ever be over – and I’ll bet you were, too. Okay, well, it’s over and done – but that doesn’t mean we get to slack off here at Antiwar.com, either in the fundraising department or in any other aspect of our activities. For all the reasons advanced above, and a few others I didn’t have time or space to go into, the antiwar movement in the Age of Obama is in some pretty dreadful shape. What’s more, the danger of war – of a horribly destructive world-destabilizing war – has never been greater. No, not even under Bush.
The reason is that the Afghan operation – which the more honest military analysts and policy wonks are admitting will take at least a decade, perhaps two, before "victory" can be safely declared – is opening a huge can of worms in Central Asia, one that I’m afraid future historians will liken to Pandora’s box. The various post-Soviet republics that surround the battlefield on the "Af-Pak" front are fragile, without much legitimacy, and potential cauldrons of Islamist extremism. Our foray into this region is likely to bring us into conflict with the two other major players, Russia and China. And as the key role of oil interests in determining our aggressive Eurasian policy becomes more widely known, anti-Americanism and its attendant terrorist manifestations is bound to go on the upswing.
Antiwar.com exists to keep you informed of these developments, with up-to-the-minute reporting and the most pointed foreign policy commentary on the Web, and we are working day and night to do our job. Thanks to the ongoing generosity of our readers and supporters, we are able to continue with our work – and for that we are immensely grateful. But don’t think we’re taking your support for granted: the staff of Antiwar.com is determined, now more than ever, to earn your support each and every day.
Correction: This article originally referred to United for Peace and Justice by the name of one of its member groups. We regret the error.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Antiwar.com vs. the FBI – May 21st, 2013
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013





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FBastiat
August 31st, 2009 at 2:05 pm
From LETTER TO A CONSERVATIVE FRIEND:
N., we pay taxes for our Suffolk County police to fight crime here in Suffolk, not to go fight robbery in Cairo, rape in New Delhi, and murder in Berlin. It is no less a dereliction of duty for our national forces to do anything other than defend American lives and liberties.
But isn't establishing democracy in Iraq, which hopefully will then spread to all the Arab and Islamic countries, a way to do just that? Again, no. Not only was Germany surrounded by democracies, it was a democracy — the Weimar Republic. That didn't stop the rise of such parties as the Communists and the National Socialists, who joined to destroy German democracy. Does it take much imagination to see how easily Iraqi democracy could vote itself into autocracy or theocracy? And the argument that we eventually "got it right" in Germany means what — that we're already preparing for a re-invasion of Iraq (and/or Afghanistan)? This is what in the present age passes for a "strong national defense"?
N., there is really only one thing to say to our president: "Sir, mind your beat!" He is this nation's policeman, not the world's.
greendaworld
August 31st, 2009 at 7:06 pm
I wrote an article titled "Health Care or War" on my progressive green blog back on July 2nd. Again, just because true progressives no longer get a seat at the MSM media table, does not mean we no longer exist. If Cindy Sheehan camps out on the Vineyard, but nobody hears her (except for Scott), does that mean she does not exist? And again, Justin dude, stop judging progressives by watching MSNBC, they represent the views of the White House and the DLC.
A suggestion for your next fund raising effort. Don't pick a fixed date during the quarter. Don't hold it during vacation. Don't hold it while everyone is distracted by health care or some other issue. Let the news be your friend.
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August 31st, 2009 at 1:01 pm
[...] Really? While I wouldn’t hold my breath, I’d love to be pleasantly surprised. I should point out, however, that it isn’t just the president who makes our wrong-headed foreign policy, it’s the Democratic Party establishment, in coalition with its Republican equivalent. The entire apparatus of the party machinery, its leaders, and a great many of its most active foot-soldiers – including those in the media – are beholden to the War Party and amenable to its decisive influence in the world of Washington politics. As long as the “official” antiwar movement is merely the tail on the Democratic donkey, there will be no effective opposition to our war-crazed foreign policy, at least not in this country.” http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2009/08/30/is-the-antiwar-movement-waking-up/ [...]
RickR30
August 31st, 2009 at 8:04 pm
It's astonishing how little common sense or actual power these politicians and political parties have. Given the dismal "popularity" of Bush, Cheney, and the Republicans as a whole, in the first chance the Democrats get, they are following right in same path toward destruction that the Republicans set. This will be a one-term presidency, and whatever (teleprompter-induced) admiration this president supposedly has, will be replaced by disdain by the American people- as the dead continue to mount world-wide under his command. Not to mention that the financial situation is accelerating the demise of the middle class as inflation grows. The purpose of any entity, whether goverment or private (is that distinction still meaningful?), is to squeeze as much money out of you as possible and give next to nothing in return. This president, like Bush, will probably end up with one or two insignificant accomplishments to feel proud of, while the world is ablaze in war fire and Americans more miserable than ever. Meanwhile the elites party on in their estates.
fedupandsick
August 31st, 2009 at 8:44 pm
VoteVets and groups like them anti-war? Hardly. They just think we didn't do them right. I'm sick of putting "the toops" on some god damn pedastal.
woodlandsguy
August 31st, 2009 at 8:48 pm
I learned long ago growing up in the Northeast something that Americans who never lived in the Northeast do not understand, namely that liberals have a blind infatuation with the Democratic Party and will accept anything the Democratic Party does. One example was the Great Depression. The Depression began under Republican President Herbert Hoover. Unfortunately, Hoover was unable to do anything to get the country out of the Depression, and in fact ended up making it worse. Naturally he was voted out of office after just one term. His replacement was Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat. Roosevelt was no more successful in curing the Depression than Hoover had been, but Roosevelt was elected to four terms. If he were alive today, he would still be running, and winning.
ccarusoc
August 31st, 2009 at 5:15 pm
There'll be no real antiwar movement while the AIPAC gang controls it
Dem folks want war all over the middle east and as far as Af-Pak. They have a big dream
But so did that guy with the moustache and the cocky Corsican
Dont overreach babe. Even Trajan learned that the hard way
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September 1st, 2009 at 3:43 am
[...] Anti-War.com recognizes that Soltz is securely in the Democrat Party’s friendly camp; It’s fascinating to watch “antiwar leaders” like Soltz – who openly supports the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan – move in the opposite direction from the rest of the country. What “people” don’t want to take on the administration? Why, Soltz and his oh-so-progressive friends who run Democratic front organizations, that’s who. [...]
BDLamb
September 1st, 2009 at 8:27 am
By the way – FYI – Just read today that the Rendon Group contract was terminated, Justin.
<a href="http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&am…” target=”_blank”>http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&am…
BDLamb
September 1st, 2009 at 8:32 am
Also: Justin — (and this is coming from someone who normally holds tremendous respect for ((and is a supporter of)) you and this site) I'm sorry but you're really starting to sound like a broken record in your columns. Attempting to blame ANTI-WAR dem's for failing to hold the new admin's feet to the fire sufficiently and/or stop Obama's idiotic continuation/escalation of Bush's imperialist policies is like people trying to blame you for your failure to stop Bush's eight years of overreach. I don't recall hordes of antiwar right-wingers crowding the streets in protest over the past eight years, either, that is to say . . only a few lonely voices on the right crying from the margins of your party (such as yourself).
Such counter-productive fingerpointing/infighting coming from within the anti-war movement only serves to further marginalize, divide and demoralize our ranks not spur them on.
Was antiwar.com also at fault for failing to stop the war under Bush for the past near decade? Was your beloved Ron Paul to blame for failing to reign in the more extremist members of the GOP during Bush's reign? It's not as if you guys were so much more effective at stopping your own party from starting and escalating these wars in the first place when your side was in power–or at putting together large scale right-wing anti-war protests.
MvGuy
September 1st, 2009 at 4:31 pm
WOW………………. THANKs ….Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes..!!! Thanks for the [is it yours?] site…
http://quiscus.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/august-31… It's brevity and narrow focus are great!!
Maybe I'm being paranoid, but I see he corrosive solvent of political correctness seeping into our debates [everywhere] about the PRECISE LOOK BACK at how & why the WARS were precipitated..
One of the reason that the antiwar movement has run out of steam, is the lukewarm enthusiasm
that too many of it's lions and foot soldiers who were the vitality and visionaries of the movement, the descendants of the worst VICTIMS of WWll… Their religion cannot be mentioned here without being placed in the dock of "to be moderated"….
Sadly it seems that the majority opinion of this group is that any witch hunt or search for a scape
goat…will…ultimately…land at their door….Really an opinion well supported by history……But how does this fact interpolate with the facts and the behavior of our neocon brethern?? YES, 911 cut
a line down the middle of the antiwar movement and it has been forever changed by this event..!!
What remains of it is the remnants of the movement…..It went down with WTC1 & WTC2……………
JustinRaimondo
September 1st, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Yes, I read that, too: but you can bet the media are still being "vetted," albeit under the radar.
As to your other points: unlike most conservatives, progressives are supposed to be anti-war in principle — and, historically, they have been, at least until the rise of the Dear Leader. Now, it seems, they are silent in the face of the biggest most ambitious imperialist project to do — the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and much of Central Asia. They have turned on a dime. Why is it unfair to point this out?
One slight correction of the factual basis for your critique: "your own party"? Which party is that? We here at Antiwar.com don't participate in electoral politics, and we support no party, not even the Libertarian Party.
BDLamb
September 1st, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Perhaps my broken record analogy wasn't sufficiently clear. I wasn't saying that you shouldn't ever cover this subject — just that you seem to be covering this same topic over and over and over again – ad nauseum. OK we get it. "Democratic leadership" and "progressive principles" have become oxymorons. This is not news to anyone at this point. So now what? Fingerpointing and blame shifting of this sort (it's the anti-war dem's fault!) will only get you so far. You've identified the problem just fine — but what's your solution? Keep in mind – as you point out in your article above. . a majority of people (Democrats & Republicans & otherwise) are already with you on this. We're convinced already. Good job. So where to next, though? The needle keeps skipping, here. If all we're going to do is sit around and whine about how 'code pink' and moveon.org or Votevets (and all of the other fauxgressives) aren't doing enough to stop the war, then we are truly lost as a movement. Let's get down to business already!
BDLamb
September 1st, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Perhaps my broken record analogy wasn't sufficiently clear. I wasn't saying that you shouldn't ever cover this subject — just that you seem to be covering this same topic over and over and over again – ad nauseum. OK we get it. "Democratic leadership" and "progressive principles" have become oxymorons. This is not news to anyone at this point. So now what? Fingerpointing and blame shifting of this sort (it's the anti-war dem's fault!) will only get you so far. You've identified the problem just fine — but what's your solution? Keep in mind – as you point out in your article above. . a majority of people (Democrats & Republicans & otherwise) are already with you on this. We're convinced already. Good job. So where to next, though? The needle keeps skipping here. If all we're going to do is sit around and whine about how 'code pink' and moveon.org or Votevets (and all of the other fauxgressives) aren't doing enough to stop the war, then we are truly lost as a movement. Let's get down to business already!
RickR30
September 1st, 2009 at 8:21 pm
I don't understand this criticism. There's nothing wrong with blaming the responsible for the catastophe they are causing. Especially since no one else is doing it. Self-criticism is not exactly part of the American character. Morever, since the responible ones are also the ones presently in power, it makes sense to appeal to their supposed principles because they are the ones who can do something about it. All the Hollywood / New York m/billionaires who abhorred Bush and his wars need to let the Democratic leadership know that unless it fulfils its promises of change and peace and dimplomacy, all $upport will be withdrawn. That in an ideal world.
JustinRaimondo
September 1st, 2009 at 9:30 pm
The solution is building an antiwar movement that transcends the narrow boundaries of "left" and "right".
It also means knowing who our friends are, and, more importantly, who our enemies are. And don't be so down on "fingerpointing"! it's necessary — and it's also a lot of fun, at least for me. I am, after all,about as far from being a "progressive" (as presently defined) as one could possibly get, and it gives me no small amount of pleasure to point out how cravenly the "antiwar" voices of yesteryear have fallen silent at the sight of the killing fields of Afghanistan.
Henry_Clemens
September 1st, 2009 at 11:59 pm
America now finds itself in the midst of the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression. Nearly one out of five Americans cannot find work. Millions of Americans can no longer afford even the basic necessities of life such as; shelter, food and clothing, let alone basic healthcare services. The central government is fiscally broke and the state governments, with California being the best example, aren’t far behind. And the national debt – an enormous burden that is being passed on to future generations – is growing exponentially with no end in sight. America now finds herself at the very brink of bankruptcy. Whether we are; Democrats, Republicans or libertarians, liberals or conservatives, it is now bloody-bleeding obvious that we can no longer afford to spend five hundred billion dollars plus annually on our worldwide empire of over 800 military bases and our never-ending, unjustified wars of conquest. It is high we put an end to the American Empire, before the American Empire puts an end to us.
BDLamb
September 2nd, 2009 at 3:44 am
I'm sorry (@ Rick) that you're having problems understanding my criticism. I'll attempt to address the points you raised:
a) I know what you are trying to say, but Antiwar democrats aren't exactly 'causing this catastrophe' as you have put it. In fact, many anti-war democrats are still quite opposed to this "war" (or 'never-ending occupation') – hence the statistics that Justin cites in the above article. Strictly speaking it is the PRO-WAR democrats who are 'causing this catastrophe.'
(contd)..
BDLamb
September 2nd, 2009 at 3:45 am
b) In reality anti-war democrats are also not 'presently in power' as you indicate, either. If only that were so! Faux democratic DLC/Neo-con stooges are running the show now instead, unfortunately. In Barack, it seems, we have elected not a true 'progressive' (if this word has any more meaning at all at this point) but a Liebermanesque (neo-liberal?) D.I.N.O. who is completely unresponsive – if not downright hostile to his own liberal base. What's more you (and this site by extension) are not the only ones to have noticed this rather troubling transformation in our president or to call him or his minions out over this sad state of affairs, though the more the merrier when it comes to dumping on our Prez. I say. I'm not a fan of his, either. On the other hand, though, you can keep mistakenly appealing to the anti-war left's principles or apparent lack of principles until the cows come home but such pursuits won't accomplish much in the end because, you see, ultimately the antiwar left is just as powerless and marginalized as is the antiwar right. Sorry to bust your bubble.
(contd)..
BDLamb
September 2nd, 2009 at 3:46 am
c) I humbly submit that it's time, RickR30, for you to regain your American D.I.Y. spirit (we may not be very circumspect or self-examining true – but we are nothing if not do it yourself-ers). Also: I hate to break it to you but we don't live in an ideal world by any wild stretch of the imagination. If you are seriously waiting around for Hollywood (celebrities? really?) and for NY's wealthy limousine liberals to join the antiwar fray and put the (financial, star-power, etc.) screws to the DLC blue-dog goons their Obot/Oborg apologist contingent then you are guilty of some rather delusional/wishful thinking and simply must snap out of it and soon. Please don't forget that you already have a growing majority of people supporting your cause! The time to act is now – not later on when you've finally convinced the remaining hold-outs (wealthy elites w/their heads up their butts, etc.) to join your anti-war bandwagon as well. Organize a protest if you don't like what's going on. .
BDLamb
September 2nd, 2009 at 3:46 am
we dovish lefties will happily march alongside with you and you might learn a thing or two about who your friends are – more so than you will grumbling on the interweb anyhow. Do something — anything constructive — but please don't sit on your hands anymore complaining bitterly about everyone else's inaction because neither the left nor the right's anti-war crusaders have had much success in shutting down the hawks in this country in recent years and that spells serious capital 'D' Disaster for the whole lot of us.
ccarusoc
September 2nd, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Paul Craig Roberts:
I wish you and other intelligent people would stop talking about 'international law'
There's only one international law: Might makes right
And let's forget about 'American values' too
Tells the slaves, slaughtered indigenous, the invaded Mexicans and butchered Filipinos about 'American values'. Then throw in Hiroshima, Vietnam, oh the list goes on
But you write great stuff anyhow
Charley Caruso
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abdo46
September 6th, 2009 at 6:03 am
There's only one international law: Might makes right
And let's forget about 'American values' too
Tells the slaves, slaughtered indigenous, the invaded Mexicans and butchered Filipinos about 'American values'. Then throw in Hiroshima, Vietnam, oh the list goes on
But you write great stuff anyhow
Charley Caruso
i take it where charley ended, no place on earth needs US gunship democracy, if these wars are about democracy. furthermore, Obama has to choose between health car and warfare .
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November 30th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
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