The "Netroots Nation" conference held last weekend in Pittsburgh attracted some attention, at least in the circles I move in, on account of Bill Clinton putting another uppity gay in his place: challenged by an audience member over the gays-in-the-military issue, Clinton went off on the guy by demanding to know when progressives were going to start backing up their ideology with action. "You didn’t back us up!" he whined, to general approval. And indeed the big question at this year’s annual progressive powwow was, as Slate put it,
"How do we hold Obama to his campaign promises? There was plenty of concern about Obama’s dedication to closing Guantanamo, abolishing indefinite detentions, shoring up gay rights, and implementing immigration reform. (Of course, between health care and climate change and fixing the economy, there are plenty of commitments the administration hasn’t backed away from.) So the fundamental disagreement among attendees was: Should we of the Netroots be fundamentally supportive of Obama or should we oppose him from the left?"
A panel dubbed "Transformation? Or Shock" gives us a clue as to the "progressive" answer: "There," reports Slate, "an audience member argued that the Netroots has to back the president. She was sick of people on the left yelling at Obama, claiming that he didn’t share their interests. A panelist, Digby, writer of Hullabaloo, said it’s possible to be respectful but firm. She compared it to the story about Franklin Delano Roosevelt telling Democratic Party activists, ‘I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it.’"
It’s interesting that Digby should pick FDR, a president who led us into war – after piously claiming that he wouldn’t. As Clare Booth Luce famously pointed out, he lied us into war – but war was the farthest subject from the collective mind of the left-blogosphere, as a poll by Democratic pollster Stanley Greenberg made all too clear. Writing in the Washington Examiner, Byron York avers:
"What’s truly striking in Greenberg’s poll is the degree to which the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have fallen off the progressive radar. I attended the first YearlyKos convention, in 2006, and have kept up with later ones, and it’s safe to say that while people who attended those gatherings couldn’t stand George W. Bush in general, their feelings were particularly intense when it came to opposing the war in Iraq. It animated their activism; they hated the war, and they hated Bush for starting it. They weren’t that fond of the fighting in Afghanistan, either.
"Now, with Obama in the White House, all that has changed. Greenberg presented respondents with a list of policy priorities and asked, ‘Please indicate which two you think progressive activists should be focusing their attention and efforts on the most.’ The winner was passing comprehensive health care reform, with 60 percent, and number two was passing ‘green energy policies that address environmental concerns,’ with 22 percent. Tied for eighth place, named by just eight percent of respondents, was ‘working to end our military involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.’"
It gets worse: when Greenberg queried attendees as to which issues "you personally spend the most time advancing," "working to end our military involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan" came in eleventh place – dead last, with a mere 1%.
York, a conservative who writes regularly for National Review, is mystified: he thinks these "progressives" are dedicated to anti-interventionism in principle. If only it were so. The answer to his bafflement is that it’s their war now, and they’ll fight it, defend it, and support it because their man is in the White House. It’s as simple as that.
York probably realizes this, but since it doesn’t fit in with the typical neoconservative view of the left he can’t come right out and say what is glaringly apparent to all: that the ostensible "left" is no different than the neoconservative "right" when it comes to foreign policy. Politics really does stop at the water’s edge, where both wings of the War Party unite to fight the foreign "enemy."
"Many observers," avers York, "have remarked that Obama’s decision to escalate the war in Afghanistan, and also to escalate the campaign of targeted assassinations using drone aircraft, both in Afghanistan and Pakistan, will cause him trouble on the political left. … But if the Netroots Nation results are any indication, Obama may have more room than previously thought on the war. Not too long ago, with a different president in the White House, the left was obsessed with America’s wars. Now, they’re not even watching."
York is giving the Netrootsters too much credit: to whatever degree they opposed Bush’s foreign policy, they heard Obama pledge to escalate the Afghan war during the campaign, and still they supported him. Indeed, they thought it was awfully clever of him to out-hawk the Republicans on the Afghanistan question: they believe it inoculated him against criticism from the right. Aside from that, they agreed with him. Most of them are very far from having any firm principles when it comes to foreign policy. They know they support health care "reform" – but they aren’t so sure when it comes to the question of whether or not to kill large numbers of dark-skinned foreigners. Maybe, maybe not …
This is hardly shocking, at least to me. After all, the "progressive" vision is steeped in a kind of mystical reverence for the US government and its essential beneficence: Washington, we are told, is taking the lead in solving the nation’s problems, and that’s a wonderful thing – and so it makes perfect sense that a good progressive would transfer that panacea to the realm of foreign affairs.
If the government can fix problems here at home, then why not overseas, too? The victims of foreclosure, and the victims of the Taliban – all will be lifted up out of the mire and into a state of grace by the blessed Obama!
So who remains to oppose our foreign policy of unbridled hubris, which is taking us to the edge of ruination, both fiscal and moral?
Not the conservatives, who are, today, not conservative at all, but – in foreign policy terms – Jacobin revolutionaries who want to "transform" the Middle East, and, indeed, the world, by force of arms and constant bullying. Stylistically, the "progressives" would go about it a bit differently, but, in the end, both neocons and the "new progressives" are quite willing to sign on the so-called Long War, a struggle that will last for at least a generation or two and require the expenditure of lives and tax dollars on a grand scale. This is nothing less than a war of revenge, a reflexive reaction to the 9/11 terrorist attacks that has yet to play itself out – even though Osama bin Laden and his cohorts are long gone from Afghanistan, and we really don’t know where they are, or where they’ll strike next.
Yet still an American President invokes the danger posed by al-Qaeda as the justification for the Afghan war, just as his predecessor did – and the "progressives" are swallowing it, hook, line, and sinker. We are told that Afghanistan would be a "safe haven" for those who are "plotting to attack America," and yet where did the real plotting for the 9/11 terrorist attacks take place? In Hamburg, Germany – and the Atlantic coast of Florida.
The desertion of the "progressives" from the antiwar movement explains, at least to some degree, the extreme difficulty Antiwar.com is having with the current fundraising effort – an effort, by the way, which is absolutely essential to our continued survival. Those fair-weather friends have fled the field – but who will step forward to take their place? Please – we need reinforcements! We need thinking conservatives and moderates, as well as libertarians, to fill the gap – or else Antiwar.com is history, along with any principled opposition to our war-crazed foreign policy.
"I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it" – Digby’s advice to her progressive confreres applies to domestic policy, but is null and void when it comes to the vital issue of war and peace. That’s what progressives are afraid to discover, or acknowledge: when it comes to the wars in Afghanistan and beyond, he doesn’t agree with them, he doesn’t want to disengage, and nothing short of harrying him as Lyndon Baines Johnson was harried out of office, will make him cut short our futile Afghan crusade, or nix the coming confrontation with Iran. Or, I should say: he doesn’t agree with their former selves, as they were back in the Bush era. However, now that Obama has inherited – and expanded – his predecessor’s wars, they embrace the War Party as if they were old friends. As they are, indeed ….
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Up Against the FBI – May 23rd, 2013
- Antiwar.com vs. the FBI – May 21st, 2013
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013





woodlandsguy
August 21st, 2009 at 8:36 am
For as long as I can remember, many Americans have had a blind infatuation with the Democratic Party and will approve of anything that it does, not matter how destructive. This is most clearly illustrated by the history of the Great Depression. The Depression started during the presidency of Republican Herbert Hoover. Hoover was not successful in curing the Depression. In fact he made it worse. So naturally he was voted out of office after just one term. His replacement was Democrat Franklin Roosevelt. Roosevelt was no more successful than Hoover in curing the Depression, yet he was elected to four terms.
DMinor7th
August 21st, 2009 at 1:23 pm
For as long as I can remember, many Americans have had a blind (nay, insane) infatuation with the Republican Party and will approve of anything it does, not (sic) matter how utterly fucking stupid.
Americans are trained from the cradle to worship at the alter of professional sports fandom. Is it any wonder at all that our kneejerkery attaches to the professional political sport as well? Of course not. Very few humans at all (certainly far less than 10%) are even capable of deep thoughts about anything. Expecting Americans in general to be as intelligent and thoughtful as, say, Antiwar.com readers is.. hmm.. naive to say the least.
oldish_crank
August 21st, 2009 at 1:32 pm
There is only the "war party" and that's it. All else is merely subtle shading for 'visual effect'. "Health care reform" is a distraction. Raise enough dust and noise then no one can see what really goes on. Maybe we are transformed into an age of fractal politics.
The blowback from 9/11/01 changed the national dynamic and fear is now our national/cultural mantra. "We are afraid so, protect us at ANY cost."
FBastiat
August 21st, 2009 at 2:03 pm
The notion of a reflexively antiwar Left is merely a Spite Right fiction.
RobertATaft
August 21st, 2009 at 2:39 pm
"War? What War?" indeed or as Charlie Gibson's hypocritical and disgusting rebuke to Cindy Sheehan put it: "Enough Already"
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/b…
Peaceful_Idiot
August 21st, 2009 at 3:11 pm
The Warginas, from Salon Broadsheet feminists to Michelle Malkin, are saying that we have to kill millions of foreigners so that Afghan women can vote in rigged elections and learn calculus. Are you saying we shouldn't be over there helping little Shamsia?
Henry_Clemens
August 21st, 2009 at 11:40 pm
One day, Americans, on both the so-called left and so-called right will come to understand this: both have been brainwashed and played for suckers by the Wall Street-military-industrial establishment. The only thing that crowd of murderers holds dear is profits. Their greed is insatiable. If Americans think our ruling establishment makes constant war for humanitarian reasons and to advance the cause of human liberty then we are indeed a nation of fools. Follow the money dear ones (profits from manufacturing war material, profits from repairing war damage, profits from control of oil in Iraq, profits from building an oil pipeline through Afghanistan, etc.,) and you will find the true reasons for our "perpetual wars for perpetual peace."
Realityzone
August 22nd, 2009 at 1:00 am
"War Is A Racket "
henrymagoo
August 22nd, 2009 at 3:14 am
Look, you'll get no argument from me that many supporters of Obama have fallen asleep on the war since Obama became president. But you seem to be completely clueless that the "left"" includes thousands of people who don't support the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq. I'm not sure what you would have those people do–they never posted on the netroots blogs, they've been political for decades. They, like me, opposed the invasion of Panama, the first Gulf War, the wars in Eastern Europe, the continued bombings of Iraq throughout the nineties, the invasion of Afghanistan and of Iraq.
We've been protesting for two decades, and its never worked. In fact, the demonstrations against the war ended years before Obama took office, not because people lost interest, but because they were demonstrably ineffective–and even more so because they were of unprecedented size and mobilization. What would you have us do Justin Raimondo? And just what is it that you're doing that's so amazing to stop the wars? I talk about stopping the wars every day, big whoop.
Frankly, I think the most intellectually lazy thing a political commentator can do is choose a high profile group of people, label them as representative of millions of people collectively known as the left, and then highlight every fault of that group as if you somehow have an encyclopedic knowledge of them. Did you tell your readers that the straw poll you quote consisted of 200 and some odd people, and that by any stretch of the imagination, the netroots–meaning those people who only became activists after the invasion of Iraq–are in no way indicative of a left that's been in toiling in obscurity from one generation to another since the seventies. Some of us have spent time in jail—and not just an hour or two, either—some of us have given up more. Your disrespect for that is insulting in its ignorance.
In fact, I wouldn't expect you to know any of this. Your support for the unctuous Pat Buchanan, who, if he'd had his way would interpret the 14th amendment in such a way to rob many of us who are the children of foreign-born parents of our citizenship, has probably made sure that most people on the left would never come close to you. You can be as anti war as you like, but the racist undertones of the mobilizations you're involved in make sure that none of us really feel comfortable having anything to do with you. There are tens of thousands on the left who don't support Obama or the Democrats, but they'd never be able to tolerate the rank anti-Semitism, racism and libertarian dogma that you represent.
juneconsley
August 22nd, 2009 at 3:40 am
It is not anti-Semitism to criticize Israel. It is hypocritical to continue to support what Israel stands for. No respect for international law, the Un ited Nations, or international borders, and purposely imposing aparthied and ethnic cleansing on the Palestinians. No democracy for the Palestinians! The US backs and provides US tax dollars for Israel's racist policies! Those who criticize Israel are not rascists: they are realists.
henrymagoo
August 22nd, 2009 at 3:45 am
June–>
Nope, you won't get out of it that easy. I didn't claim that the anti semitism derived from criticizing Israel. Far from it. You people do more damage to those of us who criticize Israel BECAUSE OF THE OTHER ANTI SEMITIC CAUSES YOU GET INVOLVED IN! Like, calling Charles Lindburgh a great man, as Raimondo did. Lindbergh was an outrageous anti semite.
Henry_Clemens
August 22nd, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Keeping the antiwar house divided is exactly what the ruling establishment is counting on. As long as they can keep us constantly arguing with one another, they can, and do, get away with murder. We should be ashamed. Keep your eyes on the prize dear ones. The prize we work for is lasting peace. Peace benefits the entire human race – whether we are a Jew or a gentile.
JustinRaimondo
August 22nd, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Excuse me, but the left — except for the Spartacist League — VOTED for Obama. That's their original crime. The rest followed from that.
The demonstrations did not fail — they raised public consciousness of the war(s), and helped created an atmosphere that Obama had to appease by masquerading as the "antiwar" candidate.
"What would you have us do Justin Raimondo?" STOP VOTING FOR DEMOCRATS. That, at least, would be a start. And then how re-ordering your priorities: stop prattling on about the 14th Amendment (say what?) and Obama-commie-care, get off your asses, and start demonstrating against the Afghan occupation.
NO, the poll I cite is not less than 200 people: over 2000 attended "Netroots Nation."
JustinRaimondo
August 22nd, 2009 at 3:28 pm
And it's no surprise that you end your missive with evocations of political correctness: I'm "racist" and an advocate of "anti-Semitism." You provide no evidence for these charges, but, then again, a sectarian leftist like yourself needs no evidence, except, perhaps,that I "support" Pat Buchanan — although since he isn't running for anything, I'm not clear as to what this means. But even associating with anyone so politically incorrect is a sin, in your book — he's a demon, according to you, and all he touches is demonic by definition. If there are indeed "tens of thousands" of people like you, then no wonder the "Left" is such a mess these days.
The multi-culti Left is blinded by race, which is the real essence of YOUR "dogma." You see a black President, and swoon. "Leftist"? Not really: you're a garden-variety liberal, who cares more about imposing your own domestic agenda of all-power-to-the-government on the home front than opposing — and stopping — mass murder (of mostly non-white people, but never mind) abroad.
JustinRaimondo
August 22nd, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Oh please: a canard not even backed up by any facts. Lindbergh is hailed as a hero even today, except by idiots like Christopher Hitchens. Is that the kind of "leftist" you are? Well, then all the rest of the nonsense you emit begins to make "sense."
henrymagoo
August 22nd, 2009 at 4:07 pm
And it's no surprise that you end your missive with evocations of political correctness: I'm "racist" and an advocate of "anti-Semitism." You provide no evidence for these charges, but, then again, a sectarian leftist like yourself needs no evidence, except, perhaps,that I "support" Pat Buchanan — although since he isn't running for anything, I'm not clear as to what this means.
Are you saying you didn't support Buchanan through three campaigns?
I don't support Obama. I don't care what color he is. I made that clear several times, but its the prism with which you want to view everyone but yourself. What I do know is that the left organized those marches, leftist organizations, not libertarian ones. They organized them, the same way they've organized demonstrations for decades. And Libertarians have just never been there in any significant numbers. The marches didn't work, because they didn't stop the war. That's why they ended by 2006–trust me, I went to every single one, and after a while there just weren't any. That happened long before Obama got into office.
Lindbergh is hailed as a hero even today,
So is Bush, so is Jefferson.
Excuse me, but the left — except for the Spartacist League — VOTED for Obama.
You just proved you know absolutely nothing about this. You have no idea what you're talking about. You don't know what the left is.
NO, the poll I cite is not less than 200 people:
Now you're lying.
Right at the top of the straw poll referenced by you, you'll find the phrase "252 Conference Attendees"
Look it up for yourself: http://www.democracycorps.com/wp-content/files/nn…
Finally, I think Christopher Hitchens is a complete idiot. And after reading your response to me, I think you are too.
As for this:
JustinRaimondo
August 22nd, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Please check out the adoring message to Obama posted by "United for Peace and Justice" upon the joyful occasion of Obama's election. And yes, they ARE the left: CPUSA and "Committees of Correspondence." Ditto for the International Socialist Organization. As Alex Cockburn points out, the left gave up anti-imperialism for identity politics a long time agol.
Those 252 conference attendees are a fair sampling of the attendees in general. Are you saying they aren't?
JustinRaimondo
August 22nd, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Who organized the antiwar demonstrations — the Workers World Party and/or the Party for Socialism and Liberation? Gloria LaRiva and her sectarian outfit attached all kinds of other demands to their calls to "mobilize" — are libertarians (never mind normal people) supposed to turn out and listen to long tirades about Mumia Abu Jamal? Puh-leeze! Nor did they invite a single libertarian speaker. Sectarians — just like you.
Yes, I supported Buchanan as the only credible anti-interventionist candidate. But you forget my endorsement of Ralph Nader after the GOP primaries. See here:
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2004/nov/08/00010…
The absurdity of your sectarianism is underscored by your attack on …. Thomas fucking JEFFERSON, of all people! I'll take ol' Tom over Obama — or Gloria LaRiva — any day. Make of that what you will.
henrymagoo
August 22nd, 2009 at 4:59 pm
And it's no surprise that you end your missive with evocations of political correctness: I'm "racist" and an advocate of "anti-Semitism." You provide no evidence for these charges, but, then again, a sectarian leftist like yourself needs no evidence, except, perhaps,that I "support" Pat Buchanan — although since he isn't running for anything, I'm not clear as to what this means.
Those 252 conference attendees are a fair sampling of the attendees in general. Are you saying they aren't?
Read carefully, because I'm not going to write this again. a) the sample is representative of the 2000 people who call themselves Netroots. The fact that you extrapolate that to include everyone in the left means you don't know what you're talking about. You simply don't. You're like those cranks pointing the finger at the "govament". There are organizations on the left that encompass thousands of people that no one has ever heard of. They do their work tirelessly, ignored through the eighties and nineties and now overshadowed by useless internet blowhards like you
b) You didn't know that it was only 200 people, because you didn't check your source.
JustinRaimondo
August 22nd, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Ah yes, all those top-secret organizations of the left, encompassing "thousands," that no one but YOU knows about. Any names? Please name ONE such organization. I'm waiting ….
The fact is that the entire "left" in the US is so enamored of Obama due to their commitment to identity politics. Even the usually reliable Trotskyists — except for the good ol' Spartacist League (oh, sorry, pardon me: I mean the International Communist League (Fourth Internationalist)! And don't forget the Revolutionary Communist Party. Not to mention the Workers World/PSL types. Taken together, these people are lucky if they number over a couple of thousand. But these are old-fashioned Marxist-Leninists — almost as out of fashion as we paleo-libertarians!
I notice you didn't answer my defense of Jefferson with the usual "he was a 'racist'!" Not quite "tireless," are you?
henrymagoo
August 22nd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
And I notice that you didn't cop to the fact that you didn't know about the straw poll. You seem obsessed with high level nation wide organizations, so its no wonder that you don't understand that the history of the left is made up of small organizations that number in the hundreds, and are unnoticed in the mobilizations that we see. I'm not going to enumerate the dozens of ad hoc organizations I've been involved in over the past two decades, often recycling the same activists uncomfortable with national level organizations. When you saw those huge demos, you saw them. And if you're at all interested, you'll do a little research in your community to find out who they are and what they're doing. I defy you to do it. Log on to an Indymedia site, it should be fairly simple.
As for Jefferson. Just a slave owner who enslaved his own children. I didn't call him a racist.
wintry_grey
August 22nd, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Just out of curiosity, henrymagoo, could you please cite a source and/or provide at least a shade of evidence supporting your claim that "[t]here are tens of thousands on the left who don't support Obama or the Democrats"? And by "don't support Obama" I assume you are referring exclusively to foreign policy, since this is antiwar.com. Maybe I'm just sheltered from the "in-crowd" of trendy leftist pundits and ideologues, but without some evidence, I have a very hard time believing your claim. Thanks.
P.S. Evidence does not constitute personal anecdotes such as knowing "lots of people who don't like him."
JustinRaimondo
August 22nd, 2009 at 6:09 pm
I offer Mr. Magoo as the proof that what today passes for the "left" in America is the main danger to peace and freedom. Oh, give me the "Old Left" over the zombies of PC-ness any day! I'll trade a thousand Mr. Magoos for one Alex Cockburn!!! check out his obit of Robert Novak, here:
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn08212009.html
Read and learn, Magoo!!!