An Anti-Interventionist Looks at China
Most discussion of China in the mainstream press, especially the left-liberal press, focuses on China’s “human rights” record, or freedom of press and speech, or labor issues, or family planning policies. One may argue endlessly about those matters. But they are China’s internal affairs, and for a genuine anti-interventionist, they are none of our government’s business and have no place in setting foreign policy. There is a world of difference between an anti-interventionist and an advocate for “humanitarian” imperialism, witting or not. How does an anti-interventionist look at China?
Let us begin with some stubborn, cold, hard facts about the U.S. and China. In very round numbers, the world’s annual GDP is about $60 trillion. The U.S. accounts for $15 trillion, the EU for $15 trillion, and China and Japan for about $5 trillion each, with China about to pull a bit ahead of Japan this year. The per capita GDP of the U.S. is about $46,000 and that of China is about $4,000. In sum, China is still a developing country, though one with a very large aggregate GDP. It is number two to the U.S. but not a close number two, and it trails the developed world considerably in its standard of living.
What about trade? Is China not the world’s largest exporter? Yes, it is, but until last year, it was number two; Germany was number one – and Germany has slipped now to number two. So Germany with its high wages and generous social benefits was able to outdo both the U.S. and China in exports until recently. How did Germany do this? By exporting high quality, high tech, well-branded goods. (Germany has not outsourced production to other countries as has the U.S.) In fact, as China came into the number one exporter spot, its leaders proclaimed that they were not really number one but number one only in quantity. They said China’s goal was to follow in Germany’s path to become an exporter of “high tech, high quality, well-branded goods.” Why can’t the U.S. do this instead of blaming China for its unemployment?
What about China as a military “threat” to the U.S.? The U.S. now spends about $1 trillion a year on “national security,” a staggering 1 dollar in 15 of our total GDP and 1 dollar in 60 of the world’s GDP, a colossal waste. And that does not include the military spending forced upon our “allies,” the NATO countries, South Korea, Japan, and now India. Simply to equal U.S. military spending alone China would have to spend 20 percent of its GDP on the military, an impossibility unless development is forsaken. Its navy is not powerful, but soon it will at least be able to patrol and defend the nearby seas. Most assuredly the U.S. will not for long be able to sail aircraft carriers within sight of China’s shores – and that is to the good. It will make for less tension. Consider how the U.S. would react if a Chinese fleet were conducting maneuvers within sight of Los Angeles or Seattle.
Next, let us consider U.S. military doctrine in the ways it might affect relations with China. U.S. doctrine is clear and unchanging from one administration to the next since the end of the Cold War. No country is to be allowed to come close to the U.S. in military might. The most explicit statement of this came in the Defense Planning Guide for 1994-1999, a secret document prepared in 1992 and leaked to the New York Times and Washington Post. “Our first objective,” the highly classified document stated, “is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly by the Soviet Union.” From the outset Obama has left no doubt that the policy of permanent military superiority continues under him, proclaiming just after his election, on the occasion of appointing his “foreign policy team” of Clinton, Gates, and others that “we all share the belief we have to maintain the strongest military on the planet.” Just last week Pentagon chief Robert Gates declared in a speech in Tokyo that the 47,000 troops in Japan were there to “keep China’s rising power in check” and so will remain for the indefinite future. One must also conclude that the wars in Central Asia, the implantation of U.S. bases right on China’s back doorstep, and the courting of India over the past 10 years are also part of the “containment” policy, whatever other purposes those wars and bases may have. This dimension of the U.S. wars is rarely discussed in the mainstream or liberal press.
The implications of this doctrine are pernicious in the extreme. First, the very threat encourages those who might want to be friends to arm themselves to preserve their independence and sovereignty. Second, and much more important, military might grows out of economic power, as we have known at least since Thucydides. Thus the U.S. is declaring that China cannot have a total GDP that comes close to that of the U.S. Let us consider the consequences of that. What would it mean for China if it achieved an aggregate GDP not larger that of the U.S. but simply the same size? Quite simply, since China has four or five times our population, it would mean that China would have a per capita GDP one fourth of ours – or about $10,000 a year. That means unending poverty for the Chinese people. Thus China is forced to choose between poverty or provoking the ire of the U.S. Such is the iron logic of U.S. military policy.
The U.S. must either content itself to be eclipsed by China in the economic and therefore military sphere if indeed China continues to be successful in developing – or prevent China from rising to the standard of living in Europe and the U.S. That is the meaning of the policy of “containing China.” Sadly, this policy also forecloses a win-win outcome whereby China, the U.S., and the entire globe prosper. U.S. policy dictates a win-lose outcome. Such is the bellicose strategy and dismal future dictated by U.S. military policy. And in the sweet talk from Obama and Clinton leading up to the visit of President Hu Jintao of China, there has been no suggestion of a change in U.S. military policy, not even a hint of such a change. It is long overdue.
Read more by John V. Walsh
- Starve the Beast of Empire: Ax the Income Tax – April 12th, 2012
- Hawk Fights Hawk for Mass. Senate Seat – April 2nd, 2012
- Progressives Embrace Humanitarian Imperialism – Again – February 24th, 2012
- President Obama, We Must Not Allow a Tunnel Gap! – December 5th, 2011
- Juan Cole, Consultant to the CIA – September 1st, 2011





Wolfgang9
January 18th, 2011 at 12:30 am
Hi John, just a small correction: There was some outsourcing by German companies to China.
E.g. most German cars sold in China are assembled in China. Also some other companies were attracted by the once low wages (what has changed in the meantime) and some of them even returned to Germany or went into other EU countries, like Bulgaria and Romania which have now about the same wages as in China. Some companies were in the media when they returned of fear that their technological know-how wouldn't be protected. So, some Chinese car makers are copying German cars, even in the looks. However, it turned out that those people who have the money to buy German cars, would not be attracted by the fake cars (the fake cars were bought by a different group of customers) and there was obviously no real loss to German sales. But some other companies feared the pirating and returned and the German government intervened. I think, German politicians have a better relationship to Chinese politiicians than the US has, since for Germany export is much more important than for the US.
In all other parts of your good article I wholeheartedly agree.
W9
GradyWilson
January 18th, 2011 at 3:45 am
Walsh notes that Germany provides a high quality of life for its citizens with high wages and generous social benefits by exporting high quality, high tech, well-branded goods but fails to mention that the German system would be rejected by him and his fellow travelers for being "socialist". He then disingenuously wonders "why can’t the U.S. do this….?" Does anyone really think that Walsh sincerely wants to emulate the German model?
The leaders of the US are not concerned with providing a high quality of life for its citizens – in fact just the opposite – they could care less. They want to eliminate public education and any social spending. The capitalist leaders of the US (in and out of gov) would rather increase their personal wealth by exploiting China's captured labor markets with its yes non existent human rights, environmental regulations, and close to slavery manufacturing conditions.
This exploitation of China (and off shoring of US jobs to other countries) is directly related to unemployment in the US. Pointing out these facts is not "blaming China" as Walsh again disingenuously claims – its blaming the US capitalist exploiters who put their own profits ahead of the good of the US.
And btw the "liberal" press has been bashing military spending for decades – that's why Gibbs took his cheap shot at the left about ending Pentagon spending.
Walsh does though make a great point about the contradictory nature of US military and economic policies towards China. The Pentagon wants complete control of the world while Wall Street is obsessed with accumulating private wealth – both are self destructive for the United States and its majority of citizens who suffer from both Pentagon spending and noeliberal economic policy.
bogi666
January 18th, 2011 at 5:10 am
Good analysis, thanks for recognizing the true colors of some Anti-War writers for not being thoughtful or legitimate.
John V. Walsh
January 18th, 2011 at 5:47 am
Hello Grady,
Since I am the writer I might reply that I am not a man of the Right nor do I think that Germany is socialist. That would be silly in my opinion. You are operating based on stereotypes and unwarranted assumptions. Sad.
However I do have a profound respect for Libertarians and Paleoconservatives for their consistent opposition to war and Empire. They vigorously opposed it under Bush and they vigorously oppose it under Obama. That kind of principled consistency is much to be admired. Justin Raimondo and others on the Right who write for AW.C are to be congratulated heartily for this.
In contrast many Left liberals, especially Democratic Party loyalists, vigorously opposed wars of Bush and now support Obama and his wars. Eugene McCarthy long ago in the snows of NH echoed sentiments of Daniel Webster in another context when he said that the Vietnam War continued because Dems were putting partisanship above principle. Unfortunately things have not changed much.
John V. Walsh
liberal
January 18th, 2011 at 6:03 am
"In very round numbers, the world’s annual GDP is about $60 trillion. The U.S. accounts for $15 trillion, the EU for $15 trillion, and China and Japan for about $5 trillion each, with China about to pull a bit ahead of Japan this year."
I think China's GDP is much bigger on a PPP basis, which is overall a more appropriate measure.
liberal
January 18th, 2011 at 6:05 am
That's true of the Democratic establishment, but it's hardly true of liberal Democrats.
Aside from the fact that a large fraction of libertarians supposed the invasion of Iraq, simply by the numbers the vast majority of antiwar voters are liberals, not rightists.
jojo
January 18th, 2011 at 7:12 am
I suggest john visit China and then talk to us about China.
2nd,what does USA export–other than WEAPONS? Germany–cars cars cars– BMW–is junk.
Note to Johnny come lately—Homeless in China– hardly none ,Taxes–none, Hydro–dirt cheap, Food price–rock bottom, Free medical care yes, cheap tranist yes ect.
By the way–streets are clean and crime—way down low– now compare that to USA's ROT–1 out of 10 are in prison :^(
Hacklheber
January 18th, 2011 at 7:46 am
"This exploitation of China (and off shoring of US jobs to other countries) is directly related to unemployment in the US. Pointing out these facts is not "blaming China" as Walsh again disingenuously claims – its blaming the US capitalist exploiters who put their own profits ahead of the good of the US. "
A thoroughly Marxist, even National-Socialist take on reality,
The above assumes that:
1) There is "exploitation" of China going on. If anything, the US citizen is exploiting himself by borrowing from his future. He is definitely not exploiting China.
2) "US capitalist exploiters" (why not simply say companies with US shareholders? Or is that too soft?) are supposed to relegate their desire for profits ahead of the good of the US. They should not. Companies exist to pull in the money for their shareholders. They are not attributes of the nation-state that should work toward whatever is "good" for that nation-state (and what would that be anyway?)
3) "Directly related to unemployment in the US." That would be "indirectly". I have yet to see any logical description of why jobs in the US should suffer from Chinese productivity. They _do_ suffer from continual monetary-policy-induced economic bubbles and monetary inflation, as well as continuous diversion of potential savings into non-productive warcrap and security state.
As for the "German Model", don't lean out of the train too much. Germany has lots of social problems, unemployment numbers are stubborn and people are mumbling that in spite of their effort at "Bruttosozialproductsteigerung", things aren't looking up even as the recession recedes (or so it is said). Germany may well have to do another round of unpopular liberalization.
Wolfgang9
January 18th, 2011 at 7:58 am
Hi jojo,__with my big mouth I would think I have problems living in China:-)__Germany and the US are still exporting machinary of all kinds, especially such which is used to produce other things, especially in metal works. There is some big money in this!! They still export some good pharmaceuticals, buts that's on the downturn too, like, they no longer export computer hardware (actually the fastest Chinese Computer is running about twice as fast as the fastest US computer at this time, in the the top five fastest computers are two Cinese, two US and one Japanese). The US and Germany still export computer software, but that will also be only for a short time. They both still export some of the more advanced chemical products.__Asia is taking over almost everthing.__
John V. Walsh
January 18th, 2011 at 9:34 am
You are right about that for the PPP – it is about $7000 per capita, but not an order of magnitude difference from nominal per capita (which I give) so the general argument holds. And although there is debate over whether nominal per capita GDP or per capita PPP is the more appropriate, for the AGGREGATE GDP, nominal GDP is almost always used.
But the argument is that China is far from first world status. And it must grow considerably to reach that – more than US military and foreign policy doctrine will permit. That is an order of magnitude argument and it holds despite the details.
John V, Walsh
John V. Walsh
January 18th, 2011 at 9:41 am
To JoJo and Wolfgang,
I have visited China and I was impressed by the diversity of opinion. Our guide lost no opportunity to condemn the CCP. And people talked about the problem of pollution a lot. On the other hand there was another guide, definitely in the minority, who spoke well of the Cultural Revolution. At a cafe with wireless I was able to google everything I tried – Tank Man, Tiananmen, the latest edition of the NYT and The American Conservative. Maybe that is not possible in Chinese – I do not know. But many, many Chinese speak English and there is a push to teach English to all children.
John V. Walsh
And by the way the US still manufactures a lot – but with such high efficiency that there is unemployment. The surplus is bled off by our unpatriotic and untalented elite. And we have jobless instead of a shorter work week which we desperately need to create jobs.
bozh
January 18th, 2011 at 11:31 am
win-win had never been an option for any empire. it had not ever been an option for u.s. however, this dictum may lead to a nuclear war.
obviously, sanity suggests we go for win-win result in all in interethnic, intra-ethnik, interpersonal, or even inter-classic disputes.
however, it does seem that the insane sanity or a sane insanity or ultimate reality show wld go on in u.s.
and not only because the insane sanity is strongly supported by at least 98% of americans, but also because the power to destroy any nation in hrs or days is in the hands, say, 1% or fewer people!
destroying up to 90% of lesser-valued people or voelken wld solve a lot of problems for supremacists. global warming might stop and there wdl be ample resources for remainder of the planetarians.
if supremacists r not after that, what else cld they be after? is it all fun and games? a mischievous lark? a new sanity? intertainment? tnx
andy
January 18th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
What the USA wants is for China to accept American global hegemony and not to get any ideas of its own. Just be good little rice eaters and be content with the "rightful" American rule of the world.
Joe
January 18th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
Hello John,
I meant to respond to your emailed article….
Condeming the CCP is indeed ok but most Chinese are very supportive of the government (and the government is the CCP) post Tiananmen 1989. Chinese are also extremely nationalistic to a degree that is not fathomable to current day Americans. I would also suggest that the cultural revolution is well regarded by some Chinese, most particularly those who are not making out too well under the get-rich-is-glorious scheme now underway and who see the same stratified society developing as in pre-communist China.
Some think that the current hard scrabble dog-eat-dog regime leaves a lot to be desired when compared with earlier time when the neighbor was more than a competitor in the markeplace but rather someone who you could think of as a …..neighbor..
All in all many, many Chinese are dissatisfied with the life there now. It is very important to realize that the cities and the countryside are a world apart and most people live in the countryside .
My knowledge comes from 12 years in China.