A “happy holidays” email from The Atlantic’s ubiquitous self-promoter Steve Clemons last week suggests that any unified right-left movement to end America’s wars of choice might be unattainable. Normally I do not read Clemons, but on this occasion I persevered and was rewarded with a bit of political folderol that was too deliciously bizarre not to share. Steve is a progressive who sees himself as a realist and who likes to suggest to his readers that he is a true Washington insider unafraid to challenge the status quo. He does so gingerly, however, never wanting to offend anyone who is really important. He is a fan of the late Richard Holbrooke, whom he describes as an “outstanding global policy practitioner,” presumably a tribute to his success at turning the Balkans into a festering sore before pissing the Pakistanis off. He also believes that Henry Kissinger is the greatest foreign policy genius to emerge since the Second World War.
Steve’s track record in predicting foreign policy developments is not good. Over a year ago at his website, The Washington Note, he recounted cornering an ostentatiously self-important though unidentified administration source and quizzing him regarding the Israel-Palestine peace process. Quoting himself in his article, he asked portentously, “My question then was, what next? And the response was incomplete but probably sound. ‘We are studying options.’” Relying on such brilliant though admittedly laconic insights, Steve then opined “that the door is open for new frames that could capture the day and change the current paralyzed standoff.” “Frames” is one of Steve’s favorite expressions. The frames have apparently not materialized in 2011 unless one considers a dressing-down of the U.S. president by the Israeli prime minister to be progress, but no matter. That was last year, which is now over, so it is possible to move on to new frames for 2012.
Steve’s happy holidays message cited a recent article by Charles Kupchan, a former Clinton administration National Security Council staffer, and quoted from it: “Progressive leadership at home is essential to the nation’s political and economic renewal, which in turn is the foundation for progressive leadership abroad. Since World War II, the United States has been dramatically successful in making the globe more stable, prosperous, and liberal. The recipe for ongoing success in this mission is no different than in the past: a solvent and centrist America reliant on a progressive combination of power and partnership to safeguard the national interest while improving the world.”
Steve approves. He “rides closely to Charles Kupchan’s thinking,” as he puts it, but he adds: “The dominant personality of the Republican and Democratic parties runs under two monikers — but is essentially tied to the notion that the U.S. has a moral responsibility to re-order the internal workings of other nations that constrain the freedoms and rights of their citizens. The liberal (or humanitarian) interventionist school dominates the progressive foreign policy establishment and more significantly populates the power positions of the Democratic Party today than its rivals; and in the Republican Party, various strains of neoconservatism (there is now competition among the heirs of Irving Kristol, Albert Wohlstetter, and other founding fathers) dominate.”
Wow. Two choices, both delusional. Intervene from the left or intervene from the right. Where to start when confronted by some of the most chilling prose and warped ideas to be floated anywhere since Sarah Palin disappeared from the scene? Kupchan’s assertion that the United States has been “dramatically successful in making the globe more stable, prosperous, and liberal” and that it should use its power to continue to do so reminds one of Madeleine Albright’s description of the United States as the “essential nation.” It also sounds a lot like the Republican promotion of “American exceptionalism,” except for the liberal part. But just because both major political parties are saying something does not necessarily make it so, particularly as groupthink in Washington is the norm while the premise that the United States should be at all involved in nation-building should be considered highly questionable. In reality, the Kupchan narrative must be regarded as a self-congratulatory conceit promoted by supporters of the status quo who believe that American Empire is something that benefits the entire world and should be cherished.
Even Steve Clemons concedes that Iraq and Afghanistan have been disasters, but there is much, much more that demolishes the Kupchan assertion. U.S. intervention in Western Europe after the Second World War focused on keeping the communist parties out of power. To do so, it stunted the development of a genuine democratic system in countries such as Italy where it bribed politicians and created a corrupt political culture that persists to this day. And then there was the Cold War that played out mostly in Europe, based on a series of deliberate lies about the might of the Soviet Union. It is over, but the results are untidy, particularly in the Balkans. And the United States is again, inexplicably, raising the temperature with Russia by criticizing that country’s internal politics and supporting nongovernmental organizations that seek to empower opposition groups. What good will come from that, and what are the interests that drive the U.S. role? Kupchan would no doubt argue that baiting Vladimir Putin somehow equates to promoting stability, prosperity, and liberalism. Or would he? Steve Clemons describes it as a successful “reset [of] U.S.-Russia relations.”
And then there is Asia. Pakistan is a basket case as a result of U.S. policies related to the “war on terror” that have encouraged centrifugal tendencies that existed in the country. Vietnam? One might well recall the millions killed in a pointless war there. And then there is the division of the Korean peninsula perpetuated by the United States’ unwillingness to sign a peace treaty with the North. And throw into the hopper Washington’s blowing hot and cold with China, where Clemons calls for “knock[ing] back Chinese predatory behaviors by becoming more shrewdly predatory.” Yeah. Hillary Clinton will become “more shrewdly predatory.”
Don’t forget the Middle East, where U.S. government’s unconditional support of Israel has alienated traditional allies and strengthened the hand of Iran, which might or might not be seeking to become the regional hegemon and might or might not be developing a nuclear weapon. Invading people and denying them their human rights is a funny way to bring stability, prosperity, and liberalism. Ask the Iraqis or the Palestinians.
And the United States is also engaged in little wars and interventions throughout Africa, at various points in Asia and Europe, and in Latin America. Mexico is increasingly seen as a failed state, a victim of the U.S. war on drugs, while Haiti is a disaster in nation-building. More stable and prosperous? Depends on your viewpoint, but it is likely that only a drug trafficker or corrupt politician would agree. And what is so liberal about political turmoil stirred up by Washington bringing about transitions from reliable dictators to shaky one-party states, which are both intent on denying political rights to opponents.
But Clemons’ formulation of the assertion that “the U.S. has a moral responsibility to re-order the internal workings of other nations that constrain the freedoms and rights of their citizens” has to take the prize as a perfect framework for a tone-deaf foreign policy that will quickly lead to the end of the American experiment in republican government. What can he and Kupchan be thinking? It is a Father Knows Best sitcom plot transferred to real life and illustrates the enormous gap in perception between the liberal humanitarian interventionists and those of us who have been demanding a sane foreign policy. Does it mean that any government that does not protect gay and women’s rights, abortion on demand, and the freedom to join Facebook will be confronted by the First Marine Division?
Washington’s stewardship of much of the world after the Second World War as a continuation of the Pax Britannica has been an abysmal failure, largely because of the inability of the U.S. government to rein in and control the military-industrial complex. As a result of 9/11, latent militarism has evolved into a full-blown national security state that has global pretensions but cannot pay its utility bills. That people who call themselves progressives see America’s overseas role as a wonderful success is quite frightening, particularly as one has to suspect that it is also the type of thinking that drives the White House. Those who support an aggressive policy to give the world stability, prosperity, and liberalism should pause and consider what they are advocating. The assumption that the United States is a force for good and must promote its values worldwide is fallacious. It will inevitably lead to bankruptcy, civil disorder, and a loss of fundamental liberties at home as well as creating resentment and devastation overseas.
Read more by Philip Giraldi
- AIPAC Declares War – February 22nd, 2012
- Bipartisan Support for World War III – February 15th, 2012
- The World Turned Upside Down – February 8th, 2012
- Another War on the Cheap – February 1st, 2012
- Avoiding a ‘Dumb War’ With Iran – January 25th, 2012





jgmoebus
January 4th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
The ultimate, bottom-line Question, Mr Giraldi, is very simply nothing more or less than this:
What Is To Be Done To Confront, Combat, Defeat, and Destroy THE FOURTH REICH?
That is WHERE we are. That is WHO we must acknowledge that We are. And, That, ultimately, is HOW We will define and demonstrate WHAT — if anyThing — We are.
RickR30
January 4th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
It's so sickening to hear the immorals lecture the American people on "moral obligations" that the US supposedly has. And how is it that the US earned these obligations? Because of it's status as the world's only superpower? A superpower that is bankrupt, morally and financially. Because of American exceptionalism? Being exceptionally stupid.
The US has no moral obligations vis-a-vis other countries, and certainly not all countries on earth. The whole concept of moral obligation is so absurd to begin with. You can't divorce morality from freedom. To require someone to act morally makes it all the less moral. And at no point did the American people get to vote on these obligations. Who imposed them anyway? Who is obligating us?
And since when does anyone in DC and beyond care about morals? Who are they fooling? All that matters in DC is money, self-promotion, and the needs and wishes of israel's rulers. Are Obama's hillary's, rahm emanuelle's moral sense offended by the slaughter of people in Bahrain at he hands of their government or the constant abuse of Palestinians?
In the end this is language designed to manipulate the feelings of gentle Americans. "You have an moral obligation to spend your life and treasure to help the Libyan rebels lynch poor Ghaddafi. Or do you want him to kill his own people?!?!" And how moral is it of these immorals to use this language to get Americans to pay for their moronic global plans? These bastards should spare us the melodramatic guilt trips. Morality is the last thing on their minds when they are trampling the Constitution and causing nothing but death, destruction, and deficit world-wide.
jgmoebus
January 5th, 2012 at 1:22 am
And so, RickR30……. what;s your point? More importantly, what's your Plan?
What is your alternative?
And HOW do you get there?
HOW is The Fourth Reich to be Confonted, Combated, Defeated, and Destroyed?
sherban
January 5th, 2012 at 3:30 am
I think that the Nazi reasons to make wars were more rationale than US's wars.If US is "threatened"by Iran,Iraq,Hamas,Hizballah,Vietnam ,North Korea,Somalia,etc,etc,then Hitler was right to see Germany and Germans threatened and that the wars are the only way to solve it.BTW,was whenever in history a situation like it is now between US and Iran where not exist a try to diplomacy ,where a contact with any Iranian is forbidden by law?
Duglarri
January 5th, 2012 at 4:59 am
There's a whole heap of historical revisionism going on in what Mr. Clemons says, and this revisionism is exploited by the 'cons in this way: the interventionist left reviews a history of American involvement in the world post-WW2 that was entirely driven by cold war competition with the Soviets, and therefore entirely military in terms of objectives, and reinterprets that as if it had some sort of altruistic objective. Hogwash. The point of the interstate highway system was not commerce. It was military. The point of the space race effort was not science. It was learning to build rockets to carry bombs. The point of bases and allies around the world was never "freedom", though that was a convenient cover. The point was to stand off the Soviets.
Humanitarianism was never, ever, the point of the trillions spent at Hanford and Los Alamos.
To say that the US post-WW2 was promoting "freedom" is just to have drunk the Koolaide and believed the cover story.
The left seems to fully believe this, while I believe the 'cons never did, but instead lifted the meme as a cover for their own plan: divert these newly available cold war resources – now that the Soviets are gone- to their own project of making the world safe for Israel.
The difference between the 'cons and the left is that the 'cons know it's a lie to say the US was ever in the freedom business.
The point is that both are operating as if a childish, absurd, fairytale view of the postwar history of the US was actually true. The US role since WW2 was self-interested, ruthless, horribly destructive, and in some aspects, necessary.
The interventions that are the product of this fantasy view of those years are not.
Smithboy
January 5th, 2012 at 5:30 am
Since WWII we have engaged our military, in the name of freedom, in wars that have been, for the most part disasterous.
Korea…Stalemate. Early wake up call that WWII was a group effort.
Vietnam…Piece of cake. A non military farming nation against a superpower. Right!
Gulf War…GHWBush….stalemate, but rightly retreated with some honor and goodwill
Afghanistan…Who couldn't whip up on some backward 14th century tribal nation? A year tops!
Iraq…Unbelievable disaster that has killed 150,000 Iraqis…5000 Americans…wounded unkown #
With our history of less than wonderful results, do we really want to take on Iran. Answer ….Hell Yes!
Moral…Mothers don't let your babies grow up to be soldiers.
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Bruce Richardson
January 5th, 2012 at 7:19 am
America's role and record or re-aligning or re-ordering the nations of the world can be best viewed through the Afghanistan prism. Presently, we are grooming the motly collection of drug traffickers, war lords, war criminals and pro-Moscow Northern Alliance collaborators to succeed Karzai. Nothing could more assure a continuation of violence than the installation of this faction as the next government. Their sordid history of ethnic cleansing, drug trafficking and collaboration with the Soviets during the Cold War makes them unacceptable to the Pashtuns, the majority ethnic group at 62.76% of the population. There can not be peace without the participation of the Pashtuns. For reasons as cited above, the Northern Alliance will not ever be accepted by the majority, assuring a continuation of the cycle of violence.
What the administration does not seem to understand is crystal clear to many of us Afghan watchers.
RickR30
January 5th, 2012 at 7:40 am
What's your plan?
James
January 5th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Israel pushing US towards war with Iran
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/219331.html
‘Israel luring US into war with Iran’
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/219345.html
Neocon Warmongers: http://tinyurl.com/neoconwarmongers
skulz fontaine
January 5th, 2012 at 8:50 am
The US has a "moral responsibility?" Oh that's rich considering the US lost that old 'moral foundation'. The US is now amoral and irresponsibile and dang, destructive on a staggering scale. Clemons has his head buried deeply in the sands of irrelevance.
Oblivous Maximus
January 5th, 2012 at 9:01 am
The fact that leftists are always eager and willing to trash the Constitution is no big surprise. The truly looming issue is when and why the majority of "conservatives" became willing to do so as well. That conservatism could and has been captured by a small band of Trotskyites (er.. "neo-cons") is shocking beyond belief.
liveload
January 5th, 2012 at 9:03 am
"The causes of the malady are not entirely clear but its recurrence is one of the uniformities of history: power tends to confuse itself with virtue and a great nation is peculiarly susceptible to the idea that its power is a sign of God's favor, conferring upon it a special responsibility for other nations — to make them richer and happier and wiser, to remake them, that is, in its own shining image." — Former US Senator William Fulbright, The Arrogance of Power (1966)
"We Americans are the peculiar, chosen people –– the Israel of our time; we bear the ark of the liberties of the world. … God has predestined, mankind expects, great things from our race; and great things we feel in our souls." — Herman Melville, White-Jacket (1850)
"God appointed America to save the world in any way that suits America. God appointed Israel to be the nexus of America's Middle Eastern policy and anyone who wants to mess with that idea is a) anti-Semitic, b) anti-American, c) with the enemy, and d) a terrorist." — John le Carré, London Times, January 15, 2003
"Neoconservatism … traded upon the historic American myths of innocence, exceptionalism, triumphalism and Manifest Destiny. It offered a vision of what the United States should do with its unrivaled global power. In its most rhetorically-seductive messianic versions, it conflated the expansion of American power with the dream of universal democracy. In all of this, it proclaimed that the maximal use of American power was good for both America and the world." — Columbia University Professor Gary Dorrien, The Christian Century magazine, January 22, 2007
"To most of its citizens, America is exceptional, and it's only natural that it should take exception to certain international standards." — Michael Ignatieff, Washington Post columnist, Legal Affairs, May-June, 2002
Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Peters, US Army War College, 1997: "Our country is a force for good without precedent".
Thomas Barnett, US Naval War College: "The US military is a force for global good that … has no equal." — The Guardian (London), December 27, 2005
John Bolton, future US ambassador to the United Nations, writing in 2000: Because of its unique status, the United States could not be "legally bound" or constrained in any way by its international treaty obligations. The U.S. needed to "be unashamed, unapologetic, uncompromising American constitutional hegemonists," so that their "senior decision makers" could be free to use force unilaterally.
Condoleezza Rice, future US Secretary of State, writing in 2000, was equally contemptuous of international law. She claimed that in the pursuit of its national security the United States no longer needed to be guided by "notions of international law and norms" or "institutions like the United Nations" because it was "on the right side of history." — Z Magazine, July/August 2004
"The president [George W. Bush] said he didn't want other countries dictating terms or conditions for the war on terrorism. 'At some point, we may be the only ones left. That's okay with me. We are America'." — Washington Post, January 31, 2002
"Behold a republic, gradually but surely becoming the supreme moral factor to the world's progress and the accepted arbiter of the world's disputes." — William Jennings Bryan, US Secretary of State under Woodrow Wilson, In His Image (1922)
Newsweek editor Michael Hirsch: "U.S. allies must accept that some U.S. unilateralism is inevitable, even desirable. This mainly involves accepting the reality of America's supreme might — and truthfully, appreciating how historically lucky they are to be protected by such a relatively benign power." — Foreign Affairs, November, 2002
Colin Powell speaking before the Republican National Convention, August 13, 1996: The United States is "a country that exists by the grace of a divine providence."
"If we have to use force, it is because we are America! We are the indispensable nation. We stand tall. We see further into the future." — Madeleine Albright, U.S. Secretary of State, 1998
Jamal
January 5th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Here's a good example of a humanitarian interventionist. Bono recently said that Rick Santorum is a "defender of the vulnerable." Classic liberal neocon drivel. Of course by "the vulnerable" they mean "the empire." "Do They Know it's Christmas Time?" sang the Crusaders to their pillaging victims.
Jim Bovard
January 5th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Excellent piece, Phil! I reckon high-profile Washingtonians are too smart to draw reasonable conclusions from government blunders. Otherwise, they might no longer be high-profile.
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Yonatan
January 5th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Yeah, that famous lefty G W Bush stated the Constitution was just a piece of paper.
sandyfeet
January 6th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
"Wow. Two choices, both delusional. Intervene from the left or intervene from the right."
You hit the nail squarely with that one.
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