The United States has long been on the receiving end of Israeli misbehavior. Israel invades Lebanon or Gaza, the US vetoes UN Security Council resolutions condemning civilian deaths and destruction of infrastructure, and Washington winds up taking the blame for condoning Tel Aviv’s recklessness. Repeat that twenty times and it is no surprise that most of the world regards the United States as the enabler of Israel’s oppression of the Palestinians. Osama bin Laden has repeatedly cited American support of Israeli repression as one of his reasons for attacking the United States. Opinion polls taken in Muslim countries, where footage of Israeli mistreatment of Palestinians is nightly fare on television, demonstrate sharp declines in the numbers of those who regard the US favorably. And the repeated application of the get out of jail free card to Israel has produced an insufferable arrogance in Israeli leaders like Benjamin Netanyahu, confident that the American dog will let itself be wagged by the Israeli tail whenever necessary. It invites more of the same, whether it is building more settlements, killing civilians in Gaza, or intercepting humanitarian missions on the high seas.
Not being held accountable ever has led to recklessness on the part of the Israelis and has further diminished America’s international reputation as it is increasingly seen as complicit in various outrages and even war crimes. In the Cast Lead invasion of Gaza in December 2008 Israel was able to unleash an enormous and sophisticated US-provided military arsenal against a largely helpless civilian population within which a small number of genuine Hamas militants concealed themselves. It was probably Israel’s most audacious defiance of international norms of behavior and the fact that it has escaped consequence-free suggests that history will soon repeat itself in the form of another assault on Hamas which will undoubtedly bring in its wake a large number of civilian casualties and further destruction of schools, hospitals, homes, and businesses.
This time Judge Richard Goldstone, who was commissioned by the United Nations to head a group of four jurists asked to write a report on Cast Lead, has to be seen as an enabler of any possible future conflict. Let us assume for a moment that Goldstone, who was under tremendous pressure from international Jewry, was actually sincere in his recent recantation regarding Israeli war crimes in Gaza. His first report for the United Nations asserted that Israel and Hamas had both been guilty of war crimes, but that the devastation produced by Israel far exceeded anything accomplished by Hamas. Israeli crimes included destroying clearly identified schools, hospitals, and United Nations food warehouses. White phosphorous artillery shells were used against civilian targets, generally regarded as completely unacceptable by most of the world’s militaries. It was collective punishment time with Israel’s Deputy Defense Minister declaring "The Palestinians are going to bring upon themselves a Holocaust."
The UN report details how civilians were shot down when trying to surrender to advancing Israeli soldiers. Mostly civilians died, possibly as many as 1,000, including at least 300 children. The Goldstone report concluded that Israel had initiated a "deliberately disproportionate attack designed to punish, humiliate, and terrorize a civilian population." It also called for the behavior of both Israel and Hamas to be thoroughly investigated in both Gaza and Israel and that the issue of possible war crimes be referred to the International Criminal Court in The Hague for adjudication. But as the Goldstone report must first be referred to the court by the UN Security Council, a veto by the US to halt the proceedings is more-or-less a given.
In the more than two years since Cast Lead neither Israel nor Hamas has seriously investigated any aspects of it, and several independent reviews have concluded that Israel, which basically lets its army investigate itself, is institutionally incapable of an objective inquiry. The Israeli Defense Forces officer who oversaw the killing of 29 members of one Palestinian family has not been charged or even investigated. One soldier received a seven-month prison sentence for stealing a credit card while another who used a Palestinian child as a shield received a three-month suspended sentence.
Now Goldstone would have one believe that it is his modified viewpoint that Israel did not deliberately target the civilians, the only issue that he is seeking to "reconsider" in the 575 page report. That presumably means that there is no order on paper in his possession indicating that to be the intention. And since Goldstone has had no access to any official Israeli sources of information as Tel Aviv did not cooperate in the inquiry, even that conclusion can presumably be challenged. One has to suspect that Goldstone has bowed to pressure, possibly including Israel’s recent creation of a branch of military intelligence that has been tasked with seeking out and confronting individuals and groups suspected of "delegitimizing" Israel abroad. That knock on the door might be a magazine salesman or it might be a friendly IDF representative with a warning.
Israel has been increasing the pressure on Gaza over the past month and many believe that the reprieve provided by Goldstone will give the green light to another major incursion. Prime Minister Netanyahu has threatened to use all necessary force to stop the missiles being fired into Israel from Gaza, while other government officials and military sources suggest that another invasion of Gaza is being planned, possibly for next month. The Gazan authorities have declared a cease-fire, which apparently is holding from their side, but Israeli artillery barrages have continued. The tit-for-tat between Hamas in Gaza and Israel began, in fact, with the Israeli targeted killing of five Palestinians in Gaza between April 1st and 5th. Hamas retaliated on the 7th by firing mortars into Israel and Israel responded immediately with artillery that killed five Palestinians. Over the weekend, Israel killed thirteen more Gazans with artillery and rocket strikes. When Israel kills civilians, they are invariably described as terrorists.
If Israel unleashes its military on Gaza many Arab civilians will die and it is the United States that again will ultimately pay the piper. Congress will immediately support Israel, claiming that it has the right to defend itself and the mainstream media will also be on board. Even if the White House knows it is Israel that is cranking up the fighting, it too will quickly cave in and make itself available to stop any contrary resolution in the UN Security Council. American prestige in the Middle East will be mired in the single digits and the ability of Washington to act effectively in any country in the region if a vital interest seriously is threatened will be nullified. Judge Richard Goldstone might feel that he has mended fences with his coreligionists, but he has a lot to answer for among those who believe that truth and accountability truly matter.
Read more by Philip Giraldi
- The New World Order is Unimpeachable – May 22nd, 2013
- Boston Becomes Toxic – May 15th, 2013
- Gatekeeping for Zion – May 9th, 2013
- Kristol Clear – May 1st, 2013
- What Has Bibi Been Doing? – April 24th, 2013





Loraine
April 13th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
Israel is dragging down the US with it. When will this madness stop? Israel could be a great country if it would just quit being so heavy handed.
sherban
April 13th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
What do you mean by "Israel could be a great country" if they not act with heavy hand?But is inherently to act with heavy hand when you want a greater country and make it stealing the lands,water,resources from others.The more odd thing is that Israel after 65 years don't has borders and ,how everyone knows,the sin of Arabs was that they didn't accept the partition of Palestine and Israel "accepted" it.Since then the grab of lands is going on and the Arabs remained with the name of "not missing an occasion to miss a solution".
Hanan Sibirsky
April 13th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
Simple. That Palestinian propaganda know that it can play the part of the underdog and be believed. Israel faces more than a hundred million Arab enemies plus Iran and Al Kayda. The latter have been killing Jews in what is now Israel since the 1930's. Thousands of Israel civilians have been killed by terrorist groups. The most recent one the killing of a family which not only included the parents but even a bavby-they were stabbed and cut to pieces. Hundreds of rockets and bombs have been are sent over the border town and cities. This is what went on before the Goldstone report and what went on only last week,
Question: You, Philip Giraldi, live in a town or city. How would you feel if thousands of missiles had been lobbed at you and your family during the last Lebanon wasrby Hizballa; and the same by Hamas in Gaza. Would you say that they want their lands back? Fine, let's negotiate and come to some kind of agreement. Why not – read carefully what this groups believe in, very carefully. It is not only the distruction of little IIsrael by the creation of a world Caliphate. Israel is first, than Andalusia,Spain and than the world.
You may say that Israel must leave the territories t taken during wars against us. Fine, I agree. Where do you live, in the USA I assume. Will you be willing to return the land your house is built on their former owners whether England, France, Spain? Or would you return them to the original owners, those we call INDIANS. ( Do you why they are called Indians?} Yet, Israel is willing to return territory and make peace, we have done it many times since 1948. Have you returned your "piece of land to their original owners? Are you willing to return to where "you came from"? Italy, I assume.
Again, are you willing to have your family and friends be bombarded by people living a few kilometers from you?
Aren't you aware that Hamas and their cohorts fire from schools, hospitals and…?
Are you living in another planet or in the realities of our earth?
Hanan S
Corazon Jones
April 14th, 2011 at 1:08 am
I guess Israel has the goods on the good Judge via its trojan evesdropping surveillance programs, as it does on most of USA politicians, and probably UK
james
April 14th, 2011 at 1:10 am
Great country my A**, how can a country based on theft, terrorism, slaughter and racism be great?
Bodkin
April 14th, 2011 at 1:20 am
Another shamelessly biased version of events from a condescending propagandist.
"The United States has long been on the receiving end of Israeli misbehavior. "
When Israel acts in its own interests, rather than take a beating in the handcuffs giraldi would like to bind it in, it's "misbehaving".
"Israel invades Lebanon or Gaza"
As if Israel just wakes up one day and decides to "invade". Is giraldi unaware of the provocations of Iran and its armed militias in Gaza and Lebanon?
"oppression of the Palestinians"
Is giraldi aware that much of Gaza would like to end the oppressive reign of Hamas?
Bodkin
April 14th, 2011 at 1:24 am
"Osama bin Laden has repeatedly cited American support of Israeli repression as one of his
reasons for attacking the United States."
And why would anyone have a reason to impugn the unassailable legitimacy of a fine upstanding gentleman like bin Laden? If ever there was a man to be taken at his word, it's bin Laden, right?
"Opinion polls taken in Muslim countries, where footage of Israeli mistreatment of Palestinians is nightly fare on television"
Should opinion polls be considered reliable when such propaganda is broadcast 24/7, with the intent to incite as much violent hatred as possible?
"an insufferable arrogance in Israeli leaders"
Is it not insufferably arrogant for this highly disgruntled author to sit in judgment over Goldstone, over Netanyahu, over the entire "misbehaving" nation of Israel?
Bodkin
April 14th, 2011 at 1:27 am
"the American dog will let itself be wagged by the Israeli tail"
An overused metaphor as unoriginal and unimaginative as giraldi's usual offerings.
"intercepting humanitarian missions on the high seas"
Yes, so humanitarian they were ready and waiting to beat people to a bloody pulp with clubs and knives.
"a small number of genuine Hamas militants concealed themselves"
I'm impressed. It must have been hard for giraldi to admit that Israel actually did target COMBATANTS, in addition to all those civilians whom he's certain they were REALLY after.
Bodkin
April 14th, 2011 at 1:30 am
"the fact that it has escaped consequence-free suggests that history will soon repeat itself in the form of another assault on Hamas"
No, liar. The fact that Iran continues to arm Hamas and launch rockets at schoolbuses carrying 50 children suggests that another assault on Hamas is likely.
"further destruction of schools, hospitals, homes, and businesses"
Only if the stone-hearted Hamas once again intentionally draws fire to areas with civilians, as is their cruel habit, about which this propagandist is predictably silent.
"has to be seen as an enabler of any possible future conflict"
Only when Goldstone condemns Israel is he considered tolerable. But when he reaches a conclusion this propagandist dislikes, then Goldstone's an "enabler" and a servant of his "coreligionists". Among the real enablers of future conflicts are those like Giraldi who seek to demonize and weaken Israel to such an extent that it becomes a defenseless target.
Bodkin
April 14th, 2011 at 1:43 am
"Now Goldstone would have one believe that it is his modified viewpoint that Israel did not deliberately target the civilians"
The groups that target civilians are Hamas, Hezbollah, and their Iranian and Syrian backers. What would it take for a shameless propagandist like giraldi to point that out? And again, he condescends and condemns with language like "Goldstone would have one believe", as if he's an automatic liar and pariah for deviating from the party line.
"Israel has been increasing the pressure on Gaza over the past month"
Does giraldi think Israel acts in a vacuum? Did giraldi happen to notice the recent unrest sweeping the Middle East? Is giraldi aware that Iran has been involved in smuggling chemical weapons to Hamas from a destabilized Libya?
Bodkin
April 14th, 2011 at 1:46 am
"The Gazan authorities have declared a cease-fire, which apparently is holding from their side, but Israeli artillery barrages have continued."
Yet another one-sided version of events. Why should the Hamas thugs be allowed to declare a ceasefire and have it honored the moment they decide to take a break from launching rockets at schoolbuses? You don't get to launch a gazillion rockets, then whine "Ceasefire!" as soon as your targets respond. Unless you're Hamas and your target is Israel.
"the Israeli targeted killing"
And what of the attempted "targeted killing" of 50 children? Cat got your tongue, giraldi?
Bodkin
April 14th, 2011 at 1:51 am
"When Israel kills civilians, they are invariably described as terrorists."
And when Hamas targets Jewish children, they are invariably referred to as the sons of apes and pigs who all have it coming because they'll grow up to serve in the IDF one day.
"Judge Richard Goldstone might feel that he has mended fences with his coreligionists"
As if Jews were the only ones who criticized Goldstone!
"he has a lot to answer for among those who believe that truth and accountability truly matter"
So the implication is that Goldstone's "coreligionists" don't give a hoot about "truth and accountability"! Nice.
The self-deceived giraldi can't understand that he's not actually demanding "truth and accountability". He's demanding a desired result: namely, Israel's head on a platter. Goldstone took the platter away, so naturally the salivating giraldi is hopping mad. And hungry.
Bodkin
April 14th, 2011 at 2:49 am
You're so right. If it doesn't mend its ways, how can Palestine ever hope to be great?
tadzio
April 14th, 2011 at 2:50 am
The Israeli soldier who went to jail was not punished for stealing a credit card whatever the technicality. The prosecution resulted from his use of it in such a way that an Israeli bank was defrauded and suffered a loss. The operable principle was that a jew was hurt. The Israeli "justice" system does not consider any harm done to Christian or Muslim Arabs a crime worth pursuing.
JoaoAlfaiate
April 14th, 2011 at 5:21 am
Nothing speaks louder of America's decline than what the USG says about Gaza. Heaven help us!
MvGuy
April 14th, 2011 at 6:02 am
Just another case of the abused becoming the abusers….. Nothing special except the mumbling and tacit approval by the grown ups, but those in power seem to have that "abuse blindness" proclivity everywhere…… Perhaps governance IS abuse in all forms from the ambitious socialists to the iron fist authoritarian fascists. There can be no peace or hope when the state is a full time remorseless thief and murderer…
Terrance&Philip
April 14th, 2011 at 6:31 am
A country that believes its people to be the master race/chosen people will inexorably sink into fascism and repression. Such an idea held Germany back from being a great country as surely as it now does Israel.
VietnamWarVet
April 14th, 2011 at 7:25 am
And after the walls of Jericho fell down – the army of Josua and the Israelites went in and murdered every man, women, child, livestock and took the land – then they went on to the next town and did the same – and again went to the next town and did the same.
And why is anyone surprised at what Israel does today? – murder the Palestinians and take their land.
IF anyone wants to see the present and future of what Israel does and will do – read the Old Testament of the Bible – they are doing what they have always done!
RickR30
April 14th, 2011 at 7:58 am
"The Palestinians are going to bring upon themselves a Holocaust." A Holocaust the israelis will be all too happy to deliver.
"Judge Richard Goldstone … has a lot to answer for among those who believe that truth and accountability truly matter." One would think that it is precisely judges who care about truth and accountability. Not so with "judge" goldstone, however.
Since these attacks on Gaza are nothing but a sport for israel, it'll be interesting to see how they time their next attack. Will it start on Easter Sunday, on the 4th of July? They think that no one will notice the genocide if they time it during an auspicious date. Even better if they can slap America in the face while at it.
charles caruso
April 14th, 2011 at 9:06 am
If the Zionists attack Gaza again, Iran and Hezbollah might just give the Gazans real rockets to defend themselves, instead of the homemade junk they use now.
johnc
April 14th, 2011 at 9:11 am
At some point the sugar daddy's Federal Reserve Notes will become worthless. Violence, however seems to be the coin of the realm.
mickperry
April 14th, 2011 at 9:32 am
We are doomed it seems. For me the line which struck home was: "One has to suspect that Goldstone has bowed to pressure, possibly including Israel’s recent creation of a branch of military intelligence that has been tasked with seeking out and confronting individuals and groups suspected of "delegitimizing" Israel abroad."
A mere eighty years ago on the land now known as Israel, Jews, Christians and Muslims lived alongside one another as friends and even baby-sat each others children, as they probably had done for the best part of a thousand years.
Now that Israel has openly declared that its own MI Oxymorons have been let loose upon the world at large to represent Israel's interests abroad, then all good folk in the US and the UK and probably anywhere that people consider themselves 'citizens' of their country, should forget about using this self description, because they have just become 'indigenous peasants'. In their thousands in their millions they are now all Palestinians.
@auditnerd
April 14th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Using white phosphorus over schools (there are videos of it on youtube) is targeting civilians, and children at that.
@auditnerd
April 14th, 2011 at 9:54 am
"Goldstone was unbiased and truthful when he skewered Israel, but automatically became a liar and an enabler of conflict and a pawn of international Jewry when he changed his mind."
Yes. That's exactly right. We're catching on.
@auditnerd
April 14th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Like Madoff? It's hard to not notice patterns of behaviour.
baz
April 14th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Isreal can never be a great country because it is founded and based on racism and apartheid and genocide. The world would be better off without this evil, despicable country.
Jews, christians and muslims should be able to share the holy land and all of this earth peacefully and in harmony as god intended
David4Peace
April 14th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Hanan, these are mostly lies you are telling. There haven't been "thousands of Israeli civilians killed." The total is far less than 1000, and one could argue that most of these were not "civilians," since all Israelis must join the armed forces. This "family" you cite that was "stabbed and cut to pieces" by Hamas – please cite a reference and give a link to this story. I couldn't find anything about it and very much doubt it is true.
You are right that Americans are not the best people to tell Israel how to treat the indigenous people. Like Israel, the US is a settler state with a long criminal history. But we certainly shouldn't be supporting Israeli crimes financially, diplomatically, and militarily, which is what we are doing now.
baz
April 14th, 2011 at 10:01 am
Hanan.
YOur lies and propaganda wont work here. The people who read the news on this site are educated and well read about history.
Why dont you try the sesame street website
baz
April 14th, 2011 at 10:02 am
what provocations by iran are you referring to mr mossad propagandist?
David4Peace
April 14th, 2011 at 10:04 am
Suggest to the Antiwar.com moderator that this Bodkin be limited to one post per thread or blocked. He must have a lot of time to be able to take up this much space with his rantings.
baz
April 14th, 2011 at 10:09 am
Bodkin,
Have you picked up a copy of "THE ETHNIC CLEANSING OF PALESTINE" by jewish israeli historian ILAN PAPPE? Its paints a pretty gruesome picture of Israels warcrimes against the palestinians such as an old paraplegic palestinian man in a wheelchair being run down by an Israeli tan, or palestinian school girls being targeted by israeli snipers specifically to cripple the palestinians capacity to re-produce. Is it no wonder that the majority of people killed in the gaza massacre were women and young girls? The IDF purposely targets them
smithy100
April 14th, 2011 at 11:00 am
"The United States has long been on the receiving end of Israeli misbehavior. "
If someone will take the time, as I have, you will realize how much of an understatement the above quote from your article is.
Lets start with the assassination of John F. Kennedy….
It is well known that israel and the us support the idea of nuclear ambiguity with respect to israeli nuclear weapons but lets go beyond that and ask the question, WHEN did israel get those nuclear weapons? And lets not forget that John Kennedy was demanding inspections of israels nuclear plant at dimona in july of 1963. (Much like we today are demanding inspections of irans nuclear plants) ….
John_Muhammad
April 14th, 2011 at 11:36 am
Tell me any other legitimate reason why bin Laden should have such a chip on his shoulder for the US? You would think that since he was a 'made man' by the US, he'd be on our side- what could possibly have changed his mind so profoundly? The 'they hate us for our freedom' argument does fly- not here, not anywhere. When your enemy tells you over and over why he's conducting operations against you, you might want to actually listen and take him at his word. The reason why bin Laden isn't given any credence in the US is because he's telling everyone the ugly truth about how our government acts, and of course we can't have the public knowing the truth.
We have always used the mantra "the friend of my enemy is my enemy' when deciding what nation to destroy next- why should bin Laden or anyone else do any differently?
I guarantee you if the US ceased its support for Israel the Middle East would change overnight- for the better. What a boon it would be for the US to trade Israel- with its history of deceit and lies and its few hundred thousand people- for the entire Middle East as much more friendly neighbors and potential allies- with their MILLIONS of people (and, as a nod toward the real US purpose for being in the Middle East) and their oil reserves!
John_Muhammad
April 14th, 2011 at 11:43 am
If you have any doubt about Israel's devotion to the US, all one need do is look up information on the Lavon Affair or the attack on the USS Liberty.
For more current examples, one need look no further than the various 'coalitions' that have been put together to fight in the Middle East (with much urging by Israel)- has Israel EVER sent the IDF to fight ANYWHERE the US is fighting? When I see IDF tanks, planes and soldiers fighting in Afghanistan or Pakistan or anywhere else beside US forces in the field, maybe just MAYBE my opinion will change. If Israel is not willing to support those who support them, they need to be cut loose.
morleyevans
April 14th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Washington's Empire will be coming to an end soon. http://morleyevans.blogspot.com/2011/04/debt.html
When the Empire has breathed its last, the State of Israel will dry up and blow away on the desert winds without a shot being fired by anyone. There will be no bloodbath: the racist paranoiacs will leave and others will live in peace with their neighbours.
"And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more." Isaiah 2:4
baz
April 14th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
dude, are you making this up as you go along or is it all scripted for you by your employers in mo-sad
Bodkin
April 14th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
(Deleted comment, now modified):
"Let us assume for a moment that Goldstone, who was under tremendous pressure from international Jewry, was actually sincere"
Is this not condescending? The most one should do is, and only momentarily, *pretend* that Goldstone just might be "sincere"! Are we to "assume" that giraldi himself is sincere as well, or would he be insulted by the suspicion that he's actually a propagandist? And what of this "pressure" from "international Jewry"? Is Jewry a monolith? Do all Jews act in concert? Is giraldi unaware of the Jews that rabidly oppose Israel and applauded Goldstone's initial report?
In summary: Goldstone was unbiased and truthful when he skewered Israel, but automatically became a liar and an enabler of conflict and a pawn of international Jewry when he changed his mind. One is not permitted to change one's mind and still be considered honorable if one's new conclusions are unpopular with the likes of giraldi.
Bodkin
April 14th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Why should I be limited to one post and nobody else? Are you a freedom-loving American or a totalitarian fascist pig? Why single me out? Because you don't like what I have to say? This site solicits comments. You're not in charge, no matter how much you pretend to be. Are you advocating a quota rule for undesirable minorities? Do you know what that makes you sound like, David4Fascism?
As for time, if you look carefully, all my posts were clustered around the same time. It's been 12 hours since I've been here. And as for my "rantings", I went carefully through giraldi's article, responding very briefly to highlighted excerpts. You don't know the difference between a rant and a rebuttal, or between freedom and tyranny. I for one don't call for the banning of anyone, even though there are folks like Jamal who regularly contribute several long posts in a row (and to whom you conspicuously don't object). Just skip my posts if you don't like them, David4Fascism.
One set of rules for Israel and her supporters, a different set for everybody else. That's how it's supposed to work, right David4Fascism?
Thomas L. Knapp
April 14th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
When Israel attacks US Navy vessels (USS Liberty), yes, it's "misbehaving."
When Israel conducts hostile espionage operations on the US (Pollard, Franklin/Rosen/Weissman et al), yes, it's "misbehaving."
When Israel uses the "special relationship" to buy sensitive US technology then turns around and sells it to the Chinese, yes, it's "misbehaving."
When Israel uses its navy for purposes of piracy on the high seas (Mavi Marmara, et al), yes, it's "misbehaving."
While I tend to agree with you that Israel is often more sinned against than sinning, let's be reasonable here: It's a HUGE stretch to characterize Israel as a US "ally." The US gives, Israel takes. The US gives because of political pressure from a powerful lobby, not because doing so serves its actual interests. Israel takes because it can.
Bodkin
April 14th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
More kneejerk demonization with no basis in reality. I'm sure the Israelis don't think of anything militaristic as "sport". It's not fun and games either to have one's children targeted by Hamas missiles, or to have to respond with force.
As for "genocide", that's got to be the sickest joke of all. Hysterical folks like you will call any attack a "genocide" because you wilfully abuse the term for your own slanderous purposes. How can there be a genocide when the population of Palestinians is increasing? Why aren't you calling all the killings going on elsewhere in the Middle East a "genocide"? is Syria's killing of hundreds of innocent protesters a genocide? Or Bahrain's? No, it's only a genocide if Israel does the killing. That's the unwritten rule you and your fellow propagandists live by. And why doesn't anyone here speak up and condemn your misuse of the term genocide? Because they're happy to moralize to Israel while keeping silent about their own immoral reliance on slanderous lies and hyperbole. Hypocrites, all.
Bodkin
April 14th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
There's no limit to the obscene garbage hardcore Israel-bashers will believe. If it demonizes Israel, you'll believe it, whatever it is. Al-Jazeera and others in the media use that hatred to great effect. They know you'll believe anything they throw at you.
AngelaKeaton
April 14th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Gentlemen,
Use the "report" feature responsibly.
Bodkin
April 14th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
My apologies to the moderators if my posts are prompting people to complain. I don't usually write this many posts in succession. I just wanted to comment on a variety of things giraldi wrote, and there seems to be a strict limit on the number of words I can fit into one post, so I had to split them up into several in a row.
Jaime
April 14th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
If your lies weren't on such an important topic, I would laugh at your ignorance or your deliberate and clumsy misleading comments.
Thomas L. Knapp
April 14th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
"why doesn't anyone here speak up and condemn your misuse of the term genocide?"
Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
Bodkin
April 14th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
It's also hard to not notice the pattern of behavior exhibited by people who single out Israel for criticism while keeping silent about genuine atrocities committed elsewhere. It's hard to not notice the pattern of behavior exhibited by people who lump members of a certain ethnic minority together, paint them with the same brush, and pretend that no other humans on Earth are in possession of vice.
By the way, most of Madoff's victims were of the same ethnic extraction as Madoff himself. That shows Madoff's ilk is a tiny minority within that ethnic group.
smithy100
April 14th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Why would a report go to your in box?
baz
April 14th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
your right, lets just believe EVERYTHING the Israelis say and not question any of their propaganda. Im sure the gestapo thought they were being overly criticized too
Bodkin
April 14th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Provocations include training, arming, financing and directing the anti-Israel proxies known as Hamas and Hezbollah. Iran and Hamas were recently involved in smuggling chemical weapons out of Libya. Iran sent ships to Latakia, a Syrian port, to build up an Iranian naval base there; Iran props up the regime in Syria which in turn assists Hezbollah. Iran has used Sudan as a hub through which to send weapons to Hamas. (There were even reports that Iran used thugs from these militias to assist the Basij in brutalizing Iranian protesters.) It was probably Iran that directed Hamas to fire rockets on an Israeli bus carrying 50 children.
I suppose you must be the last one to know that Iran supports Hezbollah, Hamas and the Syrian regime, and is now building ties with hardliners in post-revolution Egypt, thereby surrounding Israel with implacable enemies that actively seek her destruction.
Bodkin
April 14th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
There are conflicting accounts about what happened regarding the USS Liberty, as there are about spies who may have been set up or given punishments far exceeding what's normally meted out. And I don't think what happened to the Turkish ship qualifies as "piracy". US technology should not have been sold to the Chinese, however.
Why do so many ordinary Americans feel supportive of Israel, if it's just a cabal-like "lobby" that's responsible for America acting as Israel's benefactor? There's no "political pressure" on those tens of millions of people to keep supporting Israel.
You're pretty harsh on Israel, for someone who called himself a Zionist (in a post that was, ahem, mysteriously deleted).
Bodkin
April 14th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
I appreciate that you spoke up about it Knappster (cute name), but my admonition was directed primarily at the people who write posts in which they self-righteously criticize Israel for everything under the sun, yet never once take issue with one of their fellow Israel-bashers when their criticism so blatantly crosses the line.
The deafening silence from ALL THE OTHER POSTERS on this very obvious point that NO GENOCIDE IS TAKING PLACE is very suggestive of the existence of overwhelming pressure to conform to the anti-Israel groupthink, in which anything goes when it comes to criticizing Israel. The comrades don't want to break ranks.
Bodkin
April 14th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
"What a boon it would be for the US to trade Israel- with its history of deceit and lies and its few hundred thousand people- for the entire Middle East"
What garbage. America doesn't have to trade one for the other. It's not as if America doesn't already have relations with Arab countries. Where did Egypt's military come from? Or Saudi's? How about their oil wealth? You support countries that want to destroy Israel, so you don't like it that America helps to prevent that. As for "lies and deceit", are you going to claim that Arab countries are squeaky clean?!
Also, there are more than a "few hundred thousand people" in Israel. There are 7 million. And they produce more scientific papers and patents than all the Arab world. They have more Nobel Prizes, more books being published, more medical advances, more hi-tech companies, more innovations, etc. The Arab nations don't offer much besides oil. They have no jobs or opportunities for their own people, yet their populations are increasing. No wonder there's blood in the streets.
When the oil runs out, it will be even more apparent that Israel has vastly more to offer.
@auditnerd
April 14th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
That's untrue. Madoff's "victims" were paid for years and years on their initial investments. Virtually all got paid.
Gabriel
April 14th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
" American prestige in the Middle East" …….an oxymoron and appropriately,America has become a sycophant for the Zionists.
Gabriel
April 14th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
Can't let the facts get in the way of a good story ?
Gabriel
April 14th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
"While I tend to agree with you that Israel is often more sinned against than sinning"
How so ?
Thomas L. Knapp
April 14th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
To put it as concisely as possible:
When barbarians like the Al Aqsa brigades murder little Israeli girls at ice cream stands as a matter of intentional policy, Israel's foes either ignore it or tell us that we need to "understand" the Arabs' "rage."
When two Israeli soldiers are charged, tried, convicted and sentenced by Israel for violating not just international law but Israeli policy by using a nine-year old child as a human shield, Israel's foes ignore the charge, trial, conviction and sentence and try to sell the rogue act as "evidence" of an Israeli policy of "genocide."
Kind of like that there.
Gabriel
April 14th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
"Also, there are more than a "few hundred thousand people" in Israel. There are 7 million. And they produce more scientific papers and patents than all the Arab world. They have more Nobel Prizes, more books being published, more medical advances, more hi-tech companies, more innovations, "
Apparently this hubris does not apply when Israel is receiving handouts.
Gabriel
April 14th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Did you forget about thousands of Palestinians Israel has killed and millions displaced.
Apparently selectively outrage must be your forte.
Kind of like that there.
Thomas L. Knapp
April 14th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
Gabriel,
On the contrary — what outrages you is that my outrage ISN'T selective. I'm outraged when Israel acts wrongly, and I'm outraged when the Arabs act wrongly. Unlike you, I don't pretend that the bad behavior is all done by, or all the fault of, one side of the conflict.
Gabriel
April 14th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Thomas,
Your previous note contradicts your current stance.
Thomas L. Knapp
April 14th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Gabriel,
Perhaps you should consider a remedial reading class.
My previous note said that often Israel is more sinned against that sinning. It didn't say "always," and in fact it listed several of Israel's own sins. How is that "selective" outrage?
Gabriel
April 14th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
Thomas,
"Remedial reading classes" ….. sure. You are very selective since you are comparing the plight of the Palestinians to the condition of the Israelis. I would suggest to you to take classes in humanity but I suspect, it may be too late for you.
Thomas L. Knapp
April 14th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
Gabriel,
As I suspected, you have a serious problem with reading comprehension.
I haven't compared "conditions" or "plights" at all. I've compared actions and perceptions of/reactions to those actions.
If it pleases you to treat me as some kind of "opponent" because I decline to genuflect before and mumble prayers to your myths of preference ("genocide" of a population growing faster — both in Israel proper and in the occupied territories — than the one that's supposedly "ethnically cleansing" them, for example), then go ahead and do it. But be careful. Getting into discussions where both sides are free to invoke fact is usually very bad for the side which insists on superstition.
Bodkin
April 14th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
Hubris, or facts? I'm not Israeli and I contributed nothing to the achievements of the Israelis, so why would I brag? I'm just pointing out facts as a way of responding to the initial poster, who disparaged Israel and recommended that the USA shun it like the plague. You obviously DO need some help with reading comprehension, because you can't seem to grasp the concept of RESPONDING TO AN ARGUMENT WITH A COUNTER-ARGUMENT.
The Arab world has plenty of potential. They should stop obsessing about Israel, indoctrinating their children with a rigid and hateful ideology, relying on oil exports, governing in a state of total corruption, and oppressing the female half of their population. They'd have more to brag about. Israel places a higher value on personal achievement, and they're very driven. I think they have plenty to offer the USA and the world, and they'd have even more if they didn't have to devote so much time and money to defense. The first poster might feel a bit differently about Israel if he considers that his cell phone and computer chips, for instance, may have been a result of Israeli advances.
Gabriel
April 14th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
Thomas,
"Getting into discussions where both sides are free to invoke fact is usually very bad for the side which insists on superstition."
Ok,present your facts since it has it has all sophistry from you.
Bodkin
April 14th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
You forget that you're talking about people who weren't knowlingly participating in a scam. They were just investors who made some money investing with a man they regarded as a financial guru. It's idiotic to ascribe some sort of wrongdoing to them. They weren't guilty of fraud, Madoff was.
You're also overlooking the far greater number of people who got fleeced, including charities. Were the charities guilty of wrongdoing, too? Just because the early investors made some money (which is how Ponzi schemes work), that just means they were luckier than the later investors. None of these investors are considered crooks, whether they were part of the lucky few, or the unlucky majority. And yet you seem to think everybody who invested with Madoff was just as evil as Madoff himself. That's really insane.
Thomas L. Knapp
April 14th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
Gabriel,
I've already present my facts, both here and elsewhere. Like I said, if you prefer to ignore facts in favor of the fairy tales you like best, knock yourself out. I have no interest in coddling you or pretending that there's an actual debate going on here. If you're looking for affirmation, go say 30 Hail Yassers and 10 Our Intifadas or something
Gabriel
April 14th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
Thomas,
"pretending that there's an actual debate going on here."
There is no debate here since you have yet to present any facts.Hopefully, you may learn appreciate and present facts instead your current fascination with sophistry.
Gabriel
April 14th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
"You obviously DO need some help with reading comprehension, "
Yes, I do need help with reading comprehension when faced with an inordinate amount of bull.
Bodkin
April 15th, 2011 at 12:29 am
Notice how short your posts are, no matter who you're responding to.
You have nothing to say. No points to make. No arguments or counter-arguments.
You ignore points made by others and mindlessly drop juvenile stink-bombs designed to provoke. You don't bring anything to the table except intellectual shallowness. But at least you learned how to use "inordinate" in a sentence. Way to go, gabe.
tadzio
April 15th, 2011 at 3:16 am
There is a valid reason for Americans to single out Israeli atrocities over others. It runs to several billions every year of American tax dollars. Pay for it yourselves if you want silence.
AngelaKeaton
April 15th, 2011 at 7:50 am
Exactly.
So how does reproduction by the victims defeat claims of genocide,"the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group?"
Thomas L. Knapp
April 15th, 2011 at 8:29 am
Angela,
OK, I didn't think it was that complicated, but here goes. Let's debate the proposition, which I'll frame as follows:
"Resolved, that the state of Israel is engaged in the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious or national group — to wit, Arabs living in the occupied territories (West Bank and Gaza) or Israel proper."
Here's my opening statement:
The first key piece of evidence for a claim of genocide is that the ethnic, racial, religious or national group being targeted is disappearing due to the actions of the group committing said genocide. Obviously that rate of disappearance might vary, but presumably it's at least detectable.
Historians of the Shoah claim that as much as 90% of the Ashkenazi Jewish population of Europe were murdered, deliberately and systematically and for purposes of eradication, by the Nazis. That's genocide.
Historians of the Armenian genocide vary in their claims, but a typical one is that 1.5 million of the 2.5 million Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire — 60% — were deliberately and systematically murdered for purposes of eradication. That's genocide.
The estimates I've noticed of the 1994 Rwanda genocide suggest that as much as 80% of the Tutsi population of Rwanda were murdered, deliberately and at least somewhat systematically, for purposes of eradication. That's genocide.
The Arab population in the West Bank is increasing, not decreasing.
The Arab population in Gaza is increasing, not decreasing.
The Arab population in Israel proper is increasing, not decreasing.
In point of fact, each of these three populations is increasing faster than the population of the group allegedly deliberately and systematically attempting to eradicate them — a population which has been actively focused on increasing itself for 130 years since the First Aliyah (Jewish Israelis).
QED, the Jewish Israelis are either not committing genocide, or are doing a piss-poor job of it.
I yield the balance of my time and await YOUR argument.
RickR30
April 15th, 2011 at 9:38 am
"folks like you will call any attack a "genocide". Except that we are talking about an ongoing campaign with yearly festivals of killing innocent women and children. Preferably pregnant women. Not that you would be conscious of that.
james
April 15th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Listen Bodkin, Palestinians have attacked no one, they have stolen no land. What they do is non of your business.
I really believe the Palestinians are the greatest people on earth. Almost the whole world is conspiring against them but they still hold their own. Eat your heart out.
liveload
April 15th, 2011 at 10:43 am
What you're doing here is simply re-framing the argument to suit your own narrow point of view. You using legitimizing language to describe the colonization of an indiginous people by a hostile invader. Arguing semantics is all well and good for some U.N. "officials" debating some manner of punitive measure. What it doesn't do is describe what's happening on the ground there to the people of the region. What it doesn't do is teach you what happens historically to the colonized. Once you get down off your high horse, I insist you take a trip to the land and see for yourself if arguing the semantics of butchery is a worthwhile endeavor.
Gabriel
April 15th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Length of a post does not confer quality and it should be obvious to you by now,
that no one here can match your repetitive drivel.Incessant regurgitation of Zionist propaganda has not been effective for you and it maybe time for you to temper it.
Thomas L. Knapp
April 15th, 2011 at 11:01 am
liveload,
I'm re-framing the argument?
The topic was whether or not the Israelis are engaged in "genocide."
Now you want the topic to be "colonization of an indiginous [sic] people by a hostile invader."
Who's "re-framing" again?
There are at least four implicit debatable claims in your phrase, none of which map identically to "genocide."
If you want to introduce and argue for those claims, and argue that they map significantly to "genocide," feel free to do so. But after you've done so and after I've left smoking craters in the ground where those arguments once stood, please remember who it was that brought them up.
As to "describ[ing] what's happening on the ground there to the people of the region," well, many things are happening to the people of the region.
And one of the things that's happening to the portion of the people in the region who are allegedly being being deliberately targeted for systematic eradication is that their population is growing. So take your pick — are the Israelis not engaged in genocide, or are they just really, really bad at it?
liveload
April 15th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Again you try and worm your way back to whether or not the butchery can be classified as "genocide" to your satisfaction or not. Let me be more clear WHO GIVES A FLYING FAWK, DUDE? You narrow the whole issue down to genocide or not? Whether or not some stuffed idiot 10,000 miles away classifies it as genocide or not makes ZERO difference. The killing will continue. Did classifying Rwanda as genocide make you feel better?…cause it made absolutely no difference whatsoever to those who lie slaughtered. So go ahead, argue semantics to your hearts content you pompous ass, see what difference it makes one way or another. Leave "smoking craters"…lol what a tool.
Thomas L. Knapp
April 15th, 2011 at 11:30 am
liveload,
There's nothing to "worm my way back" to. This entire sub-thread is a response to the Keaton's question:
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So how does reproduction by the victims defeat claims of genocide,"the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group?"
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If you want to talk about other things, feel free. I was addressing the question that was asked.
Bodkin
April 15th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
It DOES make a difference if there's a real genocide going on or not. Otherwise these terms have no meaning, and more importantly, the consequences of inaccurately describing what's happening are determined by a seething mob.
For instance, people who claimed there was an imminent "genocide" about to take place in Libya argued passionately for military intervention, and got their wish. Samantha Power, the architect of the intervention, has argued for essentially the same thing with respect to Israel. That means there might be an attack NOT because anything remotely like Rwanda is occurring or about to occur, but because Power and others simply WANT TO INTERVENE. The word "genocide" becomes a magic word, the perfect pretext for satisfying some ideologue's desire for military action. It had BETTER be defined accurately, otherwise the unhinged mob of liveloading loudmouths will simply do as they please.
Bodkin
April 15th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Even if the Palestinian birthrate wasn't increasing, there still wouldn't be a "deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group" going on.
What's "systematic" about targeting Hamas operatives when those operatives launch rockets which trigger the attack?
Should "in part" be defined as "any number of civilian casualties" sustained in said attack? 800,000 Rwandans deliberately slaughtered, 1.5 million Armenians deliberately slaughtered, 6 million Jews deliberately slaughtered … are equivalent to hundreds of Palestinians who weren't targeted?
For those who liken the Gaza Strip to the Warsaw Ghetto, were those Jews in Warsaw run by thugs like Hamas, who were doing the bidding of a foreign power like Iran?
Gaza isn't Warsaw, and the tragedies that periodically befall the Palestinians are not the Shoah. In fact, to a great extent, they're the authors of their own misfortune.
Bodkin
April 15th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
Your posts have ZERO impact. Nada. Instead of spewing thoughtless, impotent insults like "drivel" and "bull", why don't you try and construct a coherent counter-argument. For instance, what specifically did I write that you consider to be "an inordinate amount of bull"? If you have the time to respond so often, you have the time to write at least ONE intelligent post. But do you have the brains? So far you've proven the opposite.
Thomas L. Knapp
April 15th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
"In fact, to a great extent, they're the authors of their own misfortune."
A "great" extent? I'm not too sure about that. To some extent, certainly, but they've been intentionally kept in diaspora by the Arab states for 60-odd years now for internal propaganda and low-intensity warfare purposes, and Israel is a national security state that would put want ads in the paper for rocketeers and suicide bombers if Hamas stopped giving them away for free.
Bodkin
April 16th, 2011 at 3:16 am
It's quibbling to debate whether it's a "great" extent or "some" extent. What can be said is that the Palestinian Arabs ELECTED the Iran-backed fanatical Hamas to lead them; that no Gandhi or Mandela or Sadat has ever emerged from their ranks with a genuine desire for peace, and such a man would be branded a pariah and a traitor and killed instantly because magnanimity is foreign to the Mohammedan tradition; that their leadership has always chosen a path of deceit (think Oslo), corruption (think Suha Arafat spending millions on her wardrobe), and terror (think Munich Olympics, suicide bombings, glorification of martyrdom and revenge); that they teach their children that Jews are evil and subhuman, "the sons of pigs and monkeys"; that their maps don't show Israel but only Palestine; that the history they learn denies any Jewish connection to the land; that they have used the UN as a club with which to beat Israel and alienate themselves from her; that the Mufti al-Husseini (ancestor of Arafat) befriended Hitler and participated in the Shoah, planning to exterminate Middle Eastern Jews… and so on and so on…
Bodkin
April 16th, 2011 at 3:19 am
"Israel is a national security state that would put want ads in the paper for rocketeers and suicide bombers"
If they wanted to be victims of suicide bombings, and have their children sent scurrying like rabbits into bomb shelters round the clock, why in hell would they spend hundreds of millions on a security fence to keep the bombers out? Are you suggesting that Israelis ENJOY being blown to smithereens as a pretext to attack Arabs? That's so cynical it defies logic and reason. I suppose the peace process is just a charade from the Israeli perspective, is that it?
Thomas L. Knapp
April 16th, 2011 at 5:31 am
Bodkin,
There are a number of incentives at work to justify Israel's preference for continuous low-intensity warfare.
Billions in US aid every year that would stop coming if peace broke out is one of them.
Another is the belief that a cessation of low-intensity warfare would culminate in the all-out variety — and that that would not end with Israel in a better position.
If the Israelis wanted peace, they'd have knocked off the "settlement" bullshit, withdrawn to the pre-1967 borders, BEGGED the Palestinian Arabs to saddle themselves with a real state, and opened up the issue of Jerusalem's disposition vis a vis that state long ago. They haven't done those things, QED it's not peace they're after. It's security, and not just of the military sort.
shootist66
April 16th, 2011 at 5:35 am
Conflicting reports about the USS LIberty, my foot!! You're so full of BS that you stink!
shootist66
April 16th, 2011 at 5:46 am
You know…I think Giraldi's probably laughing at all the demeaning horsesh*t against him that you put out.
GradyWilson
April 16th, 2011 at 6:06 am
"Why aren't you calling all the killings going on elsewhere in the Middle East a genocide?" asks Bodkin. Maybe because of the zionists words and actions.
"There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." – Golda Maier
"We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return." – David Ben-Gurion
"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs." – Menachem Begin
Bodkin
April 16th, 2011 at 6:42 am
"the greatest people on earth"
Isn't that ironic. Folks here misunderstand what the "chosen people" phrase means, and therefore falsely accuse Jews of having a superiority complex. And yet here you are claiming that there is, in fact, a supreme race of people, even though none exists. Remember your statement the next time you throw the phrase "chosen people" around as if you know what it means.
By the way, what makes the Palestinians the "greatest people"? How can you possibly back up that statement? By what objective measure are they the greatest? Prove your claim.
"Almost the whole world is conspiring against them"
Huh? The world is conspiring WITH them, fool — against Israel. The United Nations of the world routinely savage the enemy of "the greatest people on earth". If it wasn't for that U.S. veto…
Bodkin
April 16th, 2011 at 7:09 am
"Billions in US aid every year that would stop coming if peace broke out"
Actually, the billions to Israel and Egypt have followed a peace treaty. By that logic, one would expect even more billions to flow if there was a peace accord between Israel and the Palestinian Arabs.
I also think you're lumping different Israeli governments together. Barak offered more during the Clinton years than Netanyahu is likely to do now; not all Israeli politicians believe the status quo is ideal. And you're overlooking the Arab side, which is adamantly opposed to signing any final peace accord unless it can flood Israel with refugees.
I think what also perpetuates the conflict is that Iran is sure to use the new Palestine in the same way they've been using Gaza and Lebanon: to threaten Israel. Israelis don't want to make concessions if it feels like suicide.
Absent the Iranian regime, there's no more existential threat, unless Egypt reverts to its old ways. With minimal outside threats, it would be harder for any Israeli politicians who still wanted to stall.
Bodkin
April 16th, 2011 at 7:25 am
What a weak post! There wasn't a single admission or indication of genocide in your three quotes. I see you didn't get any smarter during your self-imposed retirement from this site.
Assuming your quotes aren't fabricated…
Golda probably meant that Palestinians "never existed" as a distinct nation, not that the actual human beings in question never existed! What a stretch to claim that's a genocide!
Ben-Gurion obviously didn't want his new state over-run by enemies (who were TRULY genocidal). This statement in itself doesn't attest to expulsion or genocide.
Begin's quote sounds pretty racist, but since when does a run-of-the-mill racist slur indicate a genocide has taken place? Is this what you call evidence? For all you know, maybe Begin was talking in the heat of the moment after a tragic attack on Jews by Arabs.
Your "evidence" is fit for the toilet bowl, and so is your ability to construct a convincing argument. Maybe it's time for another hiatus. Put away the quotes and crack open a book or two this time around.
Bodkin
April 16th, 2011 at 7:34 am
The fact that a comment like this would attract virtually as many thumbs down as my other ones suggests that people will click the thumbs down no matter what I write. The name Bodkin is sufficient to induce a negative vote. Pavlov would be proud.
Groupthink, mob mentality, a herd of wild smelly buffalo … call it what you want.
Bodkin
April 16th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
"the greatest people on earth"
What makes them the "greatest people"? How did you reach that conclusion? By what objective measure are they the greatest? Did you consider the number of Nobel Prizes won, number of patents or scholarly works published, medical advances, cultural treasures, scientific breakthroughs, innovations in technology or finance or in some field of human endeavor that greatly benefited the world? Prove your claim.
"Almost the whole world is conspiring against them"
Huh? The world seems to be conspiring WITH them — against Israel. The United Nations of the world routinely savage the enemy of "the greatest people on earth". If it wasn't for that U.S. veto…
Bodkin
April 16th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Actually, giraldi's the one who deserves scorn for all the demeaning horsesh*t against Israel that he puts out.
And I notice you can't refute any of my so-called "horsesh*t". Impotent one-liners are more your style.
ML3
April 16th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Giraldi drives this guy nuts – it's hilarious. How much are they paying this Blowkins to defend actions by Isreal, that he certainly would condemn by any other nation / tribe ?
Thomas L. Knapp
April 16th, 2011 at 11:35 pm
Bodkin,
I am a Zionist in that I believe the Jews should be free to return to, and live peaceably in, their ancestral homeland.
I don't think a state of any kind is the best solution to living peaceably anywhere, but to the extent that states are going to exist, the Israelis have as much right to one as anyone else — and they accepted the UN partition plan in 1948, while the Arab states rejected it, went to war over it, and have spent the last 60-odd years gaming the resulting situation, not least by working assiduously to keep the fellow Palestinian Arabs their actions inevitably led to the situation of IN that situation.
But that doesn't mean I'm going to give the Israeli government a free pass.
If those Arab leaders who have a bully pulpit with (and often a gun to the head of) the Palestinian Arabs were genuinely interested in a just peace, they'd pursue their goals through an MLK/Gandhi-type strategy.
If the Israeli government was genuinely interested in peace, they'd end the "settlements" (which are no such thing — "settling" implies homesteading unoccupied land, not bulldozing existing homes and replacing them with yours), withdraw to the pre-1967 borders, accept (nay, demand) a Palestinian Arab state, and work through the UN to resolve the status of Jerusalem.
But neither group of parties is genuinely interested in peace. The last thing they want is peace, because real peace would the flow of US aid dollars and other incentives. What keeps that flow going is the occasional bit of "progress," e.g. Camp David, while maintaining a constant environment of low-intensity warfare with occasional flare-ups.
Shootist66
April 17th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
Refute what?! All that redundant drivel you put out? You're like a broken record. I seriously doubt that most people even take time to read those repetitive and boring, page-long screeds you seem to champion. And for a 'bodkin,' you're not particularly sharp. I get the feeling that more folks than just Giraldi are laughing at your silly name-calling gibberish.
Bodkin
April 18th, 2011 at 5:47 am
Like I said, totally impotent. The "Shootist" is shooting blanks. Quite the pitiful sight.
If people weren't reading my posts, they wouldn't be complaining to the moderators. And if they were laughing at my hilarity, they CERTAINLY wouldn't be complaining. So there goes your stupid theory. See? That's how you refute a point: not with empty insults, but with reasoned argument.
And you still haven't refuted a damn thing. You're like Raashid: you CAN'T refute anything I write, so you pretend my points are worthless, which is just a pathetic dodge. Until you PROVE they're worthless, I'll continue to consider you a total buffoon.
james
April 20th, 2011 at 10:06 am
These are called MEGAPHONIES, they are part of a project by the Isreal foreign ministry to pay people to defend thier country. The unfortunate truth for them is that they only attracted people with double digit IQ's, people who normally answer spam emails.
carl scala
April 26th, 2011 at 10:04 am
he said, she said,etc … a total waste of time… when the score card reads 1400 to 13 [9 by friendly fire]. when the score card reads 9 [turks] to 0, common sense alone makes the numbers speak for themselves…. how could anybody in their right senses even have the gaul to debate these events…clever people have a way of making black, white… my late brother anthony was such a clever guy, that if i caught him with his hand in my pocket, he'd convince me they were his pants!…because i'm not as clever'' as my brother, i'm going to take the bait… according to 11/6/08 ny times article. hamas fired dozens of rockets at isreal from the gaza strip on weds. AFTER isreali forces killed 5 pal. militants in an eruption of violence that disrupted a 4 month old truce…they caused tal waste of time… when the score card reads 1400 to 13 [9 mno deaths in ''ashkelon''… isreali forces later killed a pal. militant who they said had taken part in the rocket attack''..who was it that said ''but you can't fool all the shams all the time''?… carl scala