J Street is seductive. Americans have been bombarded with propaganda about Israel ever since the foundation of the country over sixty years ago. More recently, the United States has been designated by the media and the chattering classes as the protector of the Jewish state with little regard for those actions undertaken by Tel Aviv that impact negatively on US interests. This is because the Israel Lobby is the most powerful foreign lobby in the United States by far. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), which has become the ugly side of the Lobby, has rightly drawn criticism for its bullying tactics and its alignment with extreme right-wing parties in Israel. Progressives and some conservatives in the United States who support Israel as a homeland for the world’s Jews have been eager to find a more respectable alternative lobby. That alternative is J Street.
J Street, which recently completed its third annual conference in Washington, is a self-proclaimed kinder and gentler advocate of Israeli interests. It favors peace on equitable terms with the Palestinians and also with Israel’s Arab neighbors. It opposes expansion of the Israeli settlements on the West Bank because they are an obstacle to peace. It calls itself "pro-Israel, pro-American, and pro-peace." If one judges by the enemies it has attracted, including nearly all leading neoconservatives, J Street has to be considered a breath of fresh air and the best option for sustainable peace in the Middle East.
Sounds good, doesn’t it? But somehow the parts don’t quite add up. J Street really only differs from AIPAC in tone, not in substance. It advocates continued and unlimited United States support for Israel, militarily, economically, and politically. J Street wants Israel to have an overwhelming military advantage over its Arab neighbors and it wants that margin to be provided by Washington. It wants Republicans and Democrats together to provide political cover for Israel when it attacks Lebanon or bombs the Gazans. It does not object when Israel exercises a military option against its neighbors. In spite of the fact that the United States is in deep trouble economically while Israel is one of the richest countries in the world and is enjoying an economic boom, J Street was one of the first organizations to complain when Senator Rand Paul called for an end to all foreign aid.
J Street also believes that Israel is and should be a Jewish state with unlimited right of "return" for Jews from anywhere in the world and no such rights for Christians or Muslims who lived in the country before 1948. A Jewish state, by definition, would have limited rights for the 20% and growing segment of the current Israeli population that is Christian or Muslim. J Street quixotically supports a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict, even though it knows that the half million Israeli Jews living in settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank cannot be moved and will make two states impossible. It does not accept a one-state solution, the only one likely to work, that would make the followers of all religions equal citizens in a unified state embracing both Arabs and Jews. J Street’s Executive Director Jeremy Ben-Ami has called a one-state solution a "nightmare."
J Street seems a lot better than AIPAC, but much of what it advocates sounds familiar. Ben-Ami has criticized the highly acclaimed John Mearsheimer-Stephen Walt book on the Israel Lobby for its scholarship and refers to the authors as anti-Semites. J Street opposed Israel’s bloody incursion into Gaza, but only because it was disproportionate, and then rejected the UN’s Goldstone report that detailed the war crimes that were committed. When Israeli commandoes killed nine Turkish citizens on the Mavi Marmara ship trying to break the blockade of Gaza, J Street mourned the loss of life but blamed the victims for deliberately "using the media coverage to further damage Israel’s standing in world opinion." J Street supports military action against Iran as a "last resort" to incapacitate the country’s nuclear program and denies to Tehran the right to enrich uranium for any purpose.
Supporters of J Street claim that its positions will become more nuanced as its influence grows, but one of the panels at the just-concluded convention debated "Is the Settlement Enterprise Destroying Israel’s Democracy?" One might well ask why there was a question mark at the end since it is well documented that the settlements bring with them every imaginable evil. Fifteen months ago, J Street sponsored a speaking tour by an Israeli general Danny Rothschild who was advocating a two-state solution with the Palestinians. He made the rounds in Washington arguing that demographics and common sense dictate that Israel must come to some kind of settlement. But then, he added, there is "Islamofascism" and also Iran, genuine threats that must be dealt with by force. So what was the real message, peace with the Palestinians (on Israel’s terms, it might be added), or expand the war against extremism while bombing Iran?
But the real problem with J Street is that it exists at all. Why should there be a new and powerful lobby in Washington composed of American citizens arguing for a special relationship with any country? Why should the United States be providing unlimited support to a nation that claims to be a democracy but which limits rights based on religion? If J Street truly wants to fix Israel it should be working in Israel, not in the United States, because the settlers and hardline right-wing parties are Israeli problems. J Street knows perfectly well that Congress, the White House, and the media will not challenge the Israel status quo so, at best, it is a bit of scam designed to support Israel while making progressives feel more comfortable in lining up behind the effort.
The United States already has too many special interest lobbies promoting policies that do absolutely nothing good for the American people. If Israel has become a rogue state, which it has, the problem must be resolved by the Israelis themselves and the diaspora Jews who believe that they have a stake in the outcome. If the latter really want to have an impact, they should turn in their US passports and move to Israel. From the American perspective, which should be the only one that matters to US citizens, the best policy for the United States is to disengage from the Arab-Israel conflict, not to become even more deeply involved from another, slightly more palatable perspective offered by J Street.
Read more by Philip Giraldi
- AIPAC Declares War – February 22nd, 2012
- Bipartisan Support for World War III – February 15th, 2012
- The World Turned Upside Down – February 8th, 2012
- Another War on the Cheap – February 1st, 2012
- Avoiding a ‘Dumb War’ With Iran – January 25th, 2012





james
March 9th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
WHY should the US help Israel? Give me only one convincing reason, just one. I do not care who it is AIPAC J Street or mother Teresa bwho badvocate this, just give me one convincing reason. And I am talking to anybody who reads this.
epppie
March 9th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
Right on, Giraldi. Don't be fooled by J Street.
Bodkin
March 10th, 2011 at 12:41 am
One reason is that a regional war will be guaranteed if America disengages completely. Israel's enemies are itching to attack and if they believe Israel is abandoned and alone they'll feel empowered (it's already begun, as one sees with Iran bolstering its proxy armies in Lebanon, Gaza, and now sending ships through Suez to develop a military base in Latakia, a Syrian port). I've even read comments on this site by a poster saying, "America, just let the Arabs destroy Israel".
A massive Middle Eastern war would be catastrophic for Americans at this vulnerable time. Care to chance it? To me, that's "one convincing reason" to maintain various alliances: to prevent a brutal depression, or even World War 3.
BTW, why do you think Egypt hasn't attacked Israel since 1973?
One would think that Israel's military power and nuclear weapons would be enough of a deterrent. That's what folks here declare every day. But Israel's enemies aren't entirely rational. They've started wars with Israel before, even though Israel has been thought to possess nukes for decades. The desire to obliterate Israel runs too deep.
Gabriel
March 10th, 2011 at 1:01 am
As the Palestinian joke goes Palestine will become independent when the US becomes independent.
sherban
March 10th, 2011 at 1:30 am
Another joke. Do you know why are not revolutions in US?Because US is the only one country where US has not embassies.
sherban
March 10th, 2011 at 1:39 am
Even how is allowed Zionist agencies to work in US is a strange question,why to allow propaganda which look for convincing Americans citizens with full rights to leave America for Israel.How will Israel react if an agency will make propaganda amongst Russian in Israel to go back to Russia.I'm sure will be seen as a Putin anti Semitism provocation.
Bodkin
March 10th, 2011 at 1:51 am
Giraldi: "it is well documented that the settlements bring with them every imaginable evil".
Has Israel committed any of the following *documented* evils:
- massacring 30,000+ people in one attempt to crush dissent (H. Assad in Hama)
- gassing thousands of innocents (Saddam & the Kurds)
- nation-wide female genital mutilation (Egypt)
- abducting people to be raped & tortured for entertainment (Saddam & sons)
- confining young girls to a burning building because they're not dressed conservatively enough (Saudi Arabia)
- passing laws allowing men to beat their wives (UAE)
- hanging gays, stoning women, raping virgins before they're to be hanged, and imprisoning people for anti-government poetry (Iran)
- slaughtering 1.5 million innocents (Turkey against Armenians)
- beheading an entire tribe (prophet Mohammed)
- building death camps to exterminate millions and conduct inhuman medical experiments (three guesses!)
It's a shame that reality isn't enough to stop Israel's critics from accusing her of "every imaginable evil."
Shootist66
March 10th, 2011 at 3:08 am
I'm not sure what it is you're trying to say here, but if it's what I think it is then I believe you've missed Giraldi's point. I believe that what he's saying is that if US citizens who are part of the Jewish diaspora are also 'Israeli Firsters' then they should renounce their citizenship and move to Israel. It's all a matter of loyalties. I also don't agree with your contention that Putin welcoming Russian Jews back to Russia would be seen as being anti-Semitic. Quite the opposite.
lizviering
March 10th, 2011 at 5:22 am
Wow! Keep up the powerful work! Excellent commentary that will reward you with even more hysterical attacks.
tomofsnj
March 10th, 2011 at 6:30 am
ave limited rights for the 20% and growing segment of the current Israeli population that is Christian or Muslim.'
The Jewish population of the area was less than 6 percent of the population with most of that 6 percent being orthodox living in Jerusalem. The reason why they became 80 percent of the population was the fact that they openly ignored the law and flooded the area with zionist immigrants during the 1920's.
They had the british brutal administration to protect them during the expansion. During WWII the zionist in the middle east for the most part avoided conflict and used WWII to gather weapons for the war that they planned to start shortly after the war. Toward the end of the war they murdered the british official in Egypt who would have had great influence in a fair settlement of the area. At the end of the war the zionist started a major war of terror to drive out the present arab population. They formed transfer committees which still exist today to insure that the few have better living than the others. They went from 6 percent of the population to 80 percent. They plan on continue expansion one arab home at a time with the exact same terrorist act which has been so successful for 120 years. The present terrorist group go by the name illegal settlers but they really are terrorist to the arabs who are treated as second class members of the society.
It is time for people to understand the true nature of the people who so brutally occupy Gaza. They are expansionist.
Ground_Control
March 10th, 2011 at 6:31 am
Excellent article, Mr. Giraldi. Arrogance and evil knows no bounds when you are indoctrinated from day one into believing you are of a "chosen" race.
donna
March 10th, 2011 at 6:32 am
Or, alternatively, if Israel knows that the US will no longer support its war crimes, maybe it will be forced to actually make peace with its Arab neighbors. After all, the animosity towards Israel has all to do with its land stealing, bombing and military invasions, and ultimate colonialist goals of a "greater Israel." No matter where you put that country, with those goals, it would have made enemies. Only Israel can bring about a change in Arab attitudes. No one likes a bully in the neighborhood, and colonialism is not to be tolerated. We have provided cover while the Israelis have messed up their neighborhood–time to let them pay the piper and change their tune.
tomofsnj
March 10th, 2011 at 6:40 am
give me a break buddy. The history of Israel is attacking others and making deals with the intention of not keeping them. As far as pointing at bad things others do look at the long history which anyone who wants to can look up. There were only 6 percent jewish population in the area in 1920 of which most were very orthodox jews in Jerusalem. There was little to no desire among the jews to live in the middle east prior to the internal combustion engine and the wealth of oil. I would love to hear your defend of the slaughter in Gaza and the killing of 1400 old arab woman and children in operation cast lead.
Bodkin
March 10th, 2011 at 6:42 am
"Chosen" means selected by G-d to spread the word about ethical monotheism. It's a burden, actually, if one chooses to practise this particular religion. "Race" has nothing to do with it.
My heritage is the same as most of the people who practise Judaism, but I'm agnostic about all religions. I don't consider myself "chosen" just because I share the same race as the adherents of the religion. The term isn't racial. You're misusing it out of malice and ignorance.
You're demonizing a people without understanding what they mean by "chosen". You're a smear merchant, and you have PLENTY of company.
donna
March 10th, 2011 at 6:43 am
How about:
–Slaughtering entire villages and forcing Palestinians to flee, then stealing their homes and denying them the right to return;
–tearing down Palestinian homes with little or no warning, leaving people homeless;
–bombing civilians in Gaza and Lebanon, killing thousands, destroying their infrastructure, hospitals and schools;
–using white phosphorus on Gazan civilians and using them as human shields (well documented by Goldstone);
–blockading 1.5 million people and refusing to allow food and medicine into Gaza;
–keeping millions of Palestinians under military occupation for more than 40 years, living in camps and forcing them to go through humiliating checkpoints;
–stealing land from Palestinians for more than 60 years, destroying their olive groves and farm lands, and building a separation wall to keep them away from their land;
–limiting civil rights to Israeli Arabs and taking their homes to give to Jews in East Jerusalem;
–allowing and subsidizing settlers from all over the world to come to Israel and live on Palestinian land to establish "facts on the ground" and make it impossible to give back that stolen land to Palestinians…
Terrance&Philip
March 10th, 2011 at 6:50 am
FTA: "Ben-Ami has criticized the highly acclaimed John Mearsheimer-Stephen Walt book on the Israel Lobby for its scholarship and refers to the authors as anti-Semites."
Anti-semite: Someone whom Jews hate.
Terrance&Philip
March 10th, 2011 at 6:52 am
"BTW, why do you think Egypt hasn't attacked Israel since 1973?"
I dunno. Could be a billion and a half a year paid as bribe money to the Egyptian elite buys a lot of "peace.'
liveload
March 10th, 2011 at 6:58 am
No, reality is thus: if you commit an atrocity…you commit an atrocity. That's that.
The zionist apartheid colonial project commits atrocities.
The brutal state entities in the middle east artificially propped up by the US or extant as a result of US interventions also commit atrocities.
Your point was what? You're trying to beggar some form of legitimacy in our eyes for the zionist apartheid colonial project? Yeah…Let me know how that works out for ya.
Bodkin
March 10th, 2011 at 7:13 am
"Your point was what? You're trying to beggar some form of legitimacy in our eyes for the zionist apartheid colonial project?"
"In our eyes"? So you speak on behalf of the whole readership now? Did the others select you to represent them, or is that an honor you bestowed upon yourself?
My point, you ask? I was simply refuting Giraldi's claim that Israel is guilty of "every imaginable evil". P.C. Roberts has said the same thing: that Israel is "capable of any evil". This is defamatory, hyperbolic, rabble-rousing rhetoric. Clearly, there are so VERY many others on this planet guilty of all sorts of unspeakable evils for which Israel should not be held to account.
Day after day after day, Israel's critics are guilty of selective outrage, exaggeration, distortion, demonization, double standards, and the like. You share their agenda, so you wouldn't even notice or care. Well, I'm happy to point it out, and not to make any additional point, but simply as an end in itself.
fff
March 10th, 2011 at 7:18 am
Jews have no chance in Arab lands.
israel's enemies sided with the Nazi and persecuted Arab jews.
Bathists , Khomeni followers and Al Qaedists and anyone that supports them can not be trusted to govern or protect their minorities.
Israel's enemies have no business demanding a single state until they show that they accept and practice liberal democracy themselves
Toliver
March 10th, 2011 at 7:19 am
Mr. Giraldi wrote this: "A Jewish state, by definition, would have limited rights for the 20% and growing segment of the current Israeli population that is Christian or Muslim. "
The same could be said, though Mr. Giraldi never says it, of Muslim countries in the region that have either expelled, murdered, or repressed Christians (and Jews) who lived there long before Muslims. And these things occured before 1948. Some of these countries are supported by the US, such as Turkey.
Do you see, dear reader, how Mr. Giradli focuses only on Israel, trying to make people believe that somehow he cares about Christians in the Middle East, when in fact he does not care one whit and is just using Israel as a whipping boy?
Of course, since Giraldi attracts people who agree with him, hardly anyone will say this. I like what Bodkin has to say above. Does Mr. Giraldi have an answer for it?
Listen – if the US cuts off all aid to Israel, it's fine with me. But please don't tell me that the US or Giraldi cares about human rights or Christians in the Middle East.
tomofsnj
March 10th, 2011 at 7:20 am
Egypt has not attacked because Israel has 300 nuclear bombs. It is crazy to act like Israel could not wipe out any nation and probably the USA included. Israel with 6 million has a bigger air force than china with a billion. Israel problem is people will stop buying what Israel makes and not being attacked. Why would anyone purchase the product of Israel? The second problem is they will lose their influence with the elected officials of the USA as more people understand the massive waste of USA taxpayers money supporting the bloated Israel military machine.
Bodkin
March 10th, 2011 at 7:32 am
That was exactly the point. The alternative was far costlier: wars between Israel and Egypt. The "peace" you scoff at in parentheses saved a myriad lives in the region and prevented a great deal of suffering in America too.
RickR30
March 10th, 2011 at 7:54 am
"a regional war will be guaranteed if America disengages completely." False. Typical blackmail for peace. "Unless you send us billions, we're going to war."
"Israel's enemies are itching to attack…" False. Israel is itching to launch a religious and ethnic World War on Muslims, Christians, Arabs, and Persians.
"A massive Middle Eastern war would be catastrophic for Americans at this vulnerable time." False. Not at all.
"But Israel's enemies aren't entirely rational." Neither is Israel and the thugs who lead that country.
RickR30
March 10th, 2011 at 8:39 am
This is part of the multifaceted campaign by israel to destroy America. aipac is bad cop, jstreet slighlt less bad cop. Another lobbying group means more money, and more lobbyists working constantly against the interests of America. "Pro-israel, Pro-America" and what are they they going to choose if those two are in conflict?
Washington is rotten. We need to ban all lobbying, starting with foreign and ending with corporate. We need to start electing people to power with a brain, with leadership, with an agenda. This is pathetic, these idiots in Congress are only good for rubberstamping whatever project aipac or wall street faxes them over, and then they cash the check. Why do we even need these clowns? You might as well get rid of the middle man and make the Capitol aipac's headquarters and fly the israeli flag over the Capitol and the White House, and soon the Supreme Court.
I wholeheartedly endorse the idea that all israeli firsters turn in their passports, fill a plane with their billions and get the hell out of America.
tomofsnj
March 10th, 2011 at 8:59 am
So jews have no chance in Arab lands. How do the arabs make out in Israel? Israel is not 68 years old and it has yet to issue its first building permit to an arab. 20 percent of the citizen of Israel are arabs but not one has been successful at getting a building permit. Arabs have their homes knocked down for not having building permits. Please so your tears that jews have it so difficult in arab lands. Not one arab land that I know have laws which directly make one religion over another while in Israel it is the official policy. Not one arab nation that i know has a transfer committee with the direct goal of deporting a group of people living in the arab land. Israel still has its transfer committees. Jews in Iran are treated pretty well which is probably why Israel wants to bomb Iran.
tomofsnj
March 10th, 2011 at 9:05 am
You are correct Bodkin. Israel is not guilty of every imaginable evil. What Israel is guilty of is documents so no imagination is required. There are more than enough of those doucments village destruction, shoot arabs and throwing the bodies into the village well to poinson the loacal water well. YOu are very correct that we should only direct out comments to those well documents horror and avoid getting emotional of imagination evils. YOu clearly have a much different view than most. BTW speaking of selective outrage exaggerations, distortion, demonizatio, and double standards is pretty much all the news on the middle east by both sides. Heaven knows we should only point out the truthful horrors of your religions and not fall to name calling. I would like to point out how much the story is that God gave the jews the land but apparently he has not come back for a visit for 6,000 years. Do you think there might be a question if he still feels that the present Israel represents his chosen?
tomofsnj
March 10th, 2011 at 9:09 am
Actually your religion claims to own the land because God gave it to his chosen people. Are you now saying that is incorrect? I do find it interesting tha tyou temr it misusing the term chosen and calling it malice and ignorance. So those that attack people who comment on Israel are really not anti-semitic? I think ideas on Israel are political and not religious of racial but I think a lot of the "chosen" use terms for their advantage.
tomofsnj
March 10th, 2011 at 9:13 am
The same could be said, though Mr. Giraldi never says it'
I believe Israel is the only nation which direction state it exist as a homeland for a certain religion. Many nations have dominate religions and they have lots of power but I believe Israel is the only one that is "purely for their religion". I believe even the vatican does not go that far.
isten – if the US cuts off all aid to Israel, it's fine with me'
Well I can honest state it would be fine with me and if they could only get the public to understand that if the defense director of Israel gets the extra 20 billion that he is presently asking for that every IDF soldier will receive $127,000 of direct aid from the USA taxpayers. That is a lot of money for guys who for the most part are not even full time.
charley caruso
March 10th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Abe Foxman must get very nervous when he reads all these anti-Zionist comments.
The tide's turning, Abe.
Probably started with the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty that LBJ tried to cover up.
paulBass
March 10th, 2011 at 10:24 am
for a defender of a jewish state you seem to not know much about Judaism.
your misquote "claim that Israel is guilty of "every imaginable evil". P.C. Roberts has said the same thing: that Israel is "capable of any evil".
P,G's actual quote "it is well documented that the settlements bring with them every imaginable evil."
as any one familiar with jewish law would know, there is a concept of muchtza, which means that even though the thing in itself is not wrong it is easily foreseeable that evil will come about.
so saying a thing brings evil with it, is not the same as saying every single settler is pure evil, if i had to describe the average settler i have known, i would call it pure ignorance.
"day after day after day, Israel's critics are guilty of selective outrage,"
first of all half the crimes you sited in you previous post were committed A) before i was born(and i assume many other readers as well)B) with full support an knowledge of western christendom.
further more when saddam or assad goes about committing crimes against humanity they do not demand that the united states foots the bill
and more importantly they do not engage in smear campaigns against anyone who questions their morality.
the way zionism treats jstreet is the perfect example of israel's dash towards fascism.
jstreet says israel should be a jewish state
jstreet says israel should be given the most advanced weapons in the world
jstreet says israel should be given all the money it demands.
…but they also say that an arab is a human being!!!! my god they must be nazi skinheads with only the extermination of every jew on earth(including them selves i assume) as their only goal
RickR30
March 10th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Which brings up the questions, why on earth are jews stealing Arab lands, anyway?
paulBass
March 10th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
"My heritage is the same as most of the people who practise Judaism, but I'm agnostic about all religions."
if you mean religious heritage while doubt has played a large role in historical judaism,your experience is markedly different from such heritage if its from anywhere in europe the average experience was of poverty and mysticism two thing i doubt you know well
and if it was from asia the average jew lived far more like the average muslim more than anything else also very much involved in mysticism
"I don't consider myself "chosen" just because I share the same race as the adherents of the religion. The term isn't racial."
you don't tell why you consider yourself chosen and you don't tell us how you mean the word race if not in a racial sense
p.s. i assume this is not the correct places to dig in to you on "ethical monotheism"and its meaning and place in the modern world.
Die Wahrheit zählt
March 10th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Excellent riposte, Donna. I'm with you on this one.
MvGuy
March 10th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Giraldi is the messenger, don't blame him unless he is inaccurate.. The Israelis are the the script writters and actors… It is them that [according to Wikileaks] who conspired with Mur and Suleman to attack Lebanon…. devistate the infrastructure kill a thousand and leave MILLIONS of cluster munitions to keep killing the children and farmers for generations to come It is them who "went a little crazy in Gaza" with their phosphorous bombs and almost total devistation… Their Warsaw Ghetto worse than the one the nazis had them in… It is the abused becoming the abusers…. MOST of the trouble that the U.S. has to deal with in the world today is grown from that seedling of ceding someone else's land.. It IS them, with their softcore genocide of the locals and their nuclear weapons… They are the masters of their own fate… If they want better reviews they need to work on the script…
San Fernando Curt
March 10th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
At this point in world history, why is it necessarly for Jews to have an exclusive nation of their own? Surely, after World War II, it may have been excused – a refuge for shattered survivors of the Holocaust. But it wasn't a wise decision even then, since creation of the Jewish state deliberately displaced non-Jews living there. To the extent Israel is a theocratic, tribal enclave it's an anomaly in the modern world. And no democracy at all. Where today, outside of a few Arab states, is there officially certified anti-Semitism and persecution? (Gee, cross Syria off the vacation list. ) Gentiles aren't innately evil, and we don't wake up every day planning a pogrom before lunch. Yet even in this point in time, given the world's political aversion to anti-Semitism, Jews are constanty in need of rescue, forever threatened with persecution and genocide. That is the myth that legitimizes this exclusionary collective. It's unsustainable.
tomofsnj
March 10th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
habit?????
james
March 10th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Fear of the distruction of Israel is not a convincing reason why America should support it. The very fact thast there will be turmoil in the region is becasue of that support.
You said "A massive Middle Eastern war would be catastrophic for Americans at this vulnerable time." So, when will a massive middle eastern war will NOT be catastrophic fort America?
james
March 10th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Why should america care if there was a catastrophic war in the ME and why should it cost them anything?
A myriad lives could be saved if Israel acted like a civilised country.
james
March 10th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Your logic totally escapes me; Assad in hamma massacared 30,000 people so settements are OK?
You are a blathering idiot man
james
March 10th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
fff, you said "A massive Middle Eastern war would be catastrophic for Americans at this vulnerable time"
Why did Israel demand the US and the western world support Mubarak during the revolution for liberal democracy? If I were you I will read a little, you sound so out of touch it is scary man.
james
March 10th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Wrong quote for my post aqbove in reply to fff, it should read as follolws;
"Israel's enemies have no business demanding a single state until they show that they accept and practice liberal democracy themselves"
andy
March 10th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Right on. Its not America's problem.
andy
March 10th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
When the US becomes impotent. Which will be sooner then people think.
andy
March 10th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
None of the things you say justify any reason for America to support Israel or to choose sides.
Bodkin
March 10th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
"the multifaceted campaign by israel to destroy America"
It's funny how I'm the one who's called an idiot around here, yet it's folks like you who say such jaw-droppingly dumb things like this.
It's beyond dispute that America is Israel's main benefactor…
SO WHY IN HELL WOULD ISRAEL WANT TO DESTROY ITS BENEFACTOR???
WHY WOULD ISRAEL WANT TO DESTROY THE ONE COUNTRY THAT PROVIDES IT WITH AID AND ARMAMENTS AND A VETO AT THE UN???
You're as unhinged and irrational as Giraldi and Roberts for claiming that Israel is capable of ANY AND EVERY IMAGINABLE EVIL. There's just no end in sight to the hysterical rantings spewed by the poor beleaguered sufferers of Israel Derangement Syndrome.
Bodkin
March 10th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
"Their Warsaw Ghetto worse than the one the nazis had them in"
You know nothing of history. Why were people herded into the Warsaw Ghetto? Where were they ultimately sent? What was the big plan back then that's missing in your kneejerk, thoughtless analogy to Gaza? There's no comparison between what Gaza is and what the Warsaw Ghetto was designed to be and the evil purpose it served.
By the way, there weren't any luxury shopping malls in the Warsaw Ghetto, professor.
"softcore genocide"
What an idiotic term. Pray tell, how could there be any kind of genocide going on, when the POPULATION OF PALESTINIANS IS INCREASING???
carl
March 10th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
Neither Israel nor the US want democracies in the Middle East. They want compliant dictators who can be paid off.
The US and Israel are both rogue states, armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons. They are corporate oligarchies that use murder, famine, epidemic, aggression and ethnic cleansing to achieve their objectives. As such they are a co-dependent menace to the rest of the world, and to their own populations.
sam
March 10th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
"I would love to hear your defend of the slaughter in Gaza and the killing of 1400 old arab woman and children in operation cast lead."
Legitimate self-defense, against a nation it is in a declared war with, and who openly state, in writing and verbally, that their goal is to destroy Israel, steal their land, and murder millions of people. Perfectly legal under international law and the rules of war, and definitely not a war crime. I'm amazed at the restraint that the Israelis have shown after thousands of illegal attacks. Criticism of it is unquestionably anti-semitic. As a Jew I'm proud as hell of the Israelis for standing up and fighting for human rights, women's rights, gay rights, the rule of law, democracy, and all the other things that civilized people support, and which the anti-semites despise.
johnny benson
March 10th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
james…have you ever looked at a map of the middle east?….israel is a very small dot….outnumbered what?…1 billion 500 million to 6 million…if the roles were reversed….the jews would not be foaming at the mouth to destroy the arabs…hell they would keep them as pets….truth is nobody should be fighting..its just the moslems hatred and refusal to make peace time and time again…thats the problem
Jaime
March 10th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
Thanks God they didn't choose South America!
johnny benson
March 10th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
what is it with you guys…what sticks in your craw…is it that the jews have survived constant war and all kinds of terror over this last 2000 years…..and with one hand tied behind their backs…..looking disaster in the face..have contributed more to the world ..then all the other nations that killed and mistreated them combined….in religion…medicine…arts….pure science…commerce…everything…everywhere…and now fighting off wars started by others..48-51-67-82-on and on…..your palestinian buddys can have peace any time they put down their rockets and stop teaching their kids to hate
delia
March 10th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
Because there is "No Exit," as Scott McConnell writes (paraphrasing Roth):
Because of its unique history and the heavy weight of the Holocaust in the consciousness of Israeli leaders, Israel is uniquely terrified of being “alone” in the international arena. As a result, any suspicion on the part of its leaders that the United States is backing away from it might incite Israel to behave more aggressively than it already does. Those who decry the special relationship “are blinded to how Israel’s sense of vulnerability causes. . . behaviors that have the potential to undermine American interests.” Israel needs constant “reassurance” that it “does not stand alone.” Supporting Israel through “constant affirmation” and generous arms shipments is the best way to pursue American interests “without the fear of a panicked and unrestrained Israel bringing a cataclysm to the Middle East.”
This claim is at once alarming and compelling. Roth is asserting that the principal ally of the United States in the twenty-first century — its main source of strategic advice, the nation whose leaders have an unequaled access to American political leadership — is not a rational actor. The United States is in the position of a wife whose spouse is acting erratically. A “panicked and unrestrained Israel,” armed with an estimated 200 nuclear weapons, could do an extraordinary amount of damage. The only conclusion one can draw is that the special relationship would now be very difficult to exit, even if Israel had no clout whatsoever within the American political system, even if the United States desired emphatically to pursue a more independent course.
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Washington is dealing with an "irrational actor" that possesses 100-200 nukes.
http://www.mepc.org/journal/middle-east-policy-ar…
Bodkin
March 10th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
"Israel is itching to launch a religious and ethnic World War on Muslims, Christians, Arabs, and Persians"
That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Coming here is like stepping into an alternate universe.
Sure thing, pal, tiny little Israel wants to start a war with 1.6 billion Muslims, billions of Christians, hundreds of millions of Arabs, and tens of millions of Persians.
But why stop there? I mean, Israel also wants to attack a billion Indians and 1.3 billion Chinese people, too, right? And how could you forget Antarctica? Those penguins have it coming!!
Seriously, it must be bliss to be as deluded as you are. If you don't think a catastrophic Mideast War would cause Americans pain, you're off-the-grid insane. And if you don't think the jihadists are itching to attack Israel, there isn't a word to describe how out of touch you are. Or maybe you're just in denial.
Bodkin
March 10th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
Why do so many people here have such a hard time following a straightforward logical argument?
Giraldi used a hyperbolic statement to smear Israel. Roberts did the same thing, using almost exactly the same phrase. The point of my posts has been simply to demonstrate how wild and unfair an exaggeration it is.
Read slowly this time: Israel is not guilty of "every imaginable evil". One such evil was what Assad did in Hama. Settlements are completely beside the point. The point is that I'm highlighting the self-serving smear tactic used by Giraldi. Anti-Israel columnists think they can just slip these hysterical little smears into their articles without anyone so much as blinking.
And when someone DOES point out that they traffic in hyperbole and smear, their defenders inevitably change the subject and spew ad hominems. You're a case in point, as is donna and others.
RickR30
March 11th, 2011 at 9:33 am
Actually, I should have said that israel, has already launched a religious war against all. Who gets the honor to conduct this war? America. It's our job to bomb Iraqis, Afghanis, Pakistanis, Iranians soon, etc. All just to please you.
RickR30
March 11th, 2011 at 9:35 am
I don't know what's behind israel's desire to destroy America and get as many Americans killed in foreign lands. You tell us.
johnny benson
March 11th, 2011 at 10:52 am
sam…..come on…1400 were the total gazans were killed…..do you mean to tell us that no hammas brave fighters ,you know the ones marching around with masks and ak47 guns and genades hanging……missed a chance to fight the hated israelis….not even one got killed…or was it that these brave souls decided to put those old men women and children into the line of fire…as to save themselves,and to use civilian deaths for propaganda
conumishu
March 11th, 2011 at 11:34 am
Yep. Caliphs of Cordoba would disagree. Rabbis there too. Later the ottomans, after jews left massively the christian land of Spain, and their jewish counselors might differ. Used for their qualities by the elites, nevertheless allowed or even encouraged to settle, many jewish communities lasted through history amidst muslims and especially arabs.
Wonder what pissed recently (by history's timeframes) secular and religious political forces, nationalists and socialists alike. Must be pure, irrational hatred, no discernable sensible motives whatsoever.
Joe M.
March 11th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
The concerns and speculations about some future war in the region cannot eclipse the day-by-day war that is going on now. Media do not call it war, nor do most of us, but it is close kin: Using armed force to dislodge people from their lands of many generations, manipulating the conditions of life and survival to discourage and perhaps encourage the exit of the occupied population, the forbidding of their sinking wells on the lands they are permitted to retain because that might interfere with the taking of the water from under that ground to the military occupier (to pick one small example), and the long-standing refusal on solely an ethnic/religious basis to permit people to return to their lands.
As for the comparisons with other current or historical horrors : Every violation helps keep the path open for the other violations because every violation is an opposition to human rights principles, every violation harms the rights of all, — including those who believe they are getting some advantage from violating the rights of others. If "never again" doesn't mean "never again to anyone," it becomes "ever again" for everyone.
ML3
March 11th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
Right! No Isreali blood or treasure expended. The Goy Boys from the USA will make all the necessary sacrifices
ML3
March 11th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Isreal Derangement Syndrome!!!! hahahahahaha
Cause calling Isreal out on the nasty things it does means WE'RE ALL CRAZY???
Israel is capable of ANY AND EVERY IMAGINABLE EVIL BECAUSE THE US RUNS INTERFERENCE FOR THE APARTHEID STATE AT THE UN!!!
ML3
March 11th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
whoa slow down onthe vaseline there. A lot of the hardships that were endured were brought upon themselves
get off the Kool Aid
Bodkin
March 11th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Thank you for proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that Israel Derangement Syndrome is indeed a sad but very real fact. Emphasis on "DERANGEMENT".
But hey, you're the guy who claims that heroes like Pam Geller, Robert Spencer, Geert Wilders and the like are calling for the "extermination" of "Arab Muslims". Still waiting for you to prove that outrageous claim, by the way.
It's not easy for *DERANGED* people to support their outlandish claims with evidence, is it?
Bodkin
March 11th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
"as hostile and punitive to its neighbors as it was six decades ago"
Balderdash. It's the enemies of Israel who are as hostile, punitive, intransigent, intolerant, backward, barbaric and rejectionist as they were 6 decades ago. More so, in fact.
"As an exclusively Jewish state"
More balderdash. More than 20% of Israel consists of Arabs, who enjoy more rights than they do in Arab states. If that weren't true, they would move to those states. You want an "exclusive" state? Try Saudi Arabia, where no J-w is even allowed to set foot. Try any other Arab state, which expelled all their J-ws long ago. Show me one Arab state that's 20% J-wish before you spew lies about how "exclusively J-wish" Israel supposedly is.
"J-ws … needn't arm themselves"
Sure. Even though almost all hate crimes in the USA are against J-ws. Even though J-ws are being beaten up in the streets of Europe again, such as Malmo, Paris, Amsterdam, etc. And those J-ws in Mumbai were real safe too, right?
Like I said, bereft of sense. You live in an alternate reality and you stubbornly refuse to leave.
ML3
March 11th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Heroic Racists like Pam Gellar, Robert Spencer, Geert Wilders?
Were it the Chosenites or African Americans who are the victims of this sick witch hunt you so readily support, instead of Arabs.
ML3
March 11th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
A lot of controversy over such a tiny insignificant belligerent "state" that always has its hand out, good times or bad. Keep up the good work, Mr. Giraldi. If Isreal was so great on their own merit, they wouldn't need a 24hr. propaganda cycle explaining this to people – - – the rich country with nukes that is somehow a poor victim, that never does anything barbaric or outrageous. As long as the Murdochs, and the Zuckermans, are the MSM gatekeepers, this is going to be the Greatest Story Ever Sold
I'd rather have my tax dollars spent here anyway., J Street, AIPAC, it doesn't matter to me either – 2 sides of the same coin, if you will
ML3
March 11th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
As a Jew, you should be ashamed as Hell your beloved IDF is tough as nails when its using Pal kids as human shields and white phosphorus (illegal) but when someone who can fight back like Hezbollah comes out and gives you a bloody nose, all you can do is weakly withdraw and try and spin the news favorably in your direction. And cry like babies.
San Fernando Curt
March 11th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Yeah… I know… Nazis are everywhere. The whole world is out to get you. Blah, blah, blah. Arabs stay in Israel, as second class citizens at best, because they know if they leave they'll never be able to return. Unlike Jews, they have no law guaranteeing that as right. They stay because it is, after all, their land, too.
johnny benson
March 11th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
hey ml3…your tax money is spent here…the billion or so is for military equip solely…the planes the bullets ,shells..other stuff is all made here…..thats a really cheap price compared to the billion a week spent in our two wars..afgan and iraq…also israel helps the cia ten times more then the arabs do…..plus after they improve and real world test the equip…that improves our weapons……and while i am here…why is it you are so concerend with the quite well fed palestinians….and couldnt care less what happens to the poor souls in africa…darfur..congo..angola..mali..being murdered,raped,starved and mutalated…mostly by moslems
Bodkin
March 11th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Stop running away, coward. I'm still waiting for you to prove your claim that the people mentioned are guilty of calling for the *EXTERMINATION* of Arab Muslims.
You know you can't. You'd rather just drop your bombs and flee the scene. And you call ME a troll? Look in the mirror (if you dare).
Bodkin
March 11th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
I'm extremely encouraged by how easy it is to destroy the pathetic non-arguments of folks around here like yourself, RickR30, ML3, and so on. There's definitely a pattern here. You guys don't have a leg to stand on. Just smear, generalize, spew racial slurs & falsehoods & hyperbole & ignorant nonsense, distort reality, deny the existence of Islamic intolerance, downplay genuine threats, trot out reliable stereotypes, wallow in groupthink, parrot the columnists blindly, change the subject, and so on and so forth. Pathetic.
Andrewp111
March 11th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
Then we should withdraw completely, and Israel will be forced to bite the bullet, expel or eradicate the Palestinians, and have their totally Jewish state. They will have to use nuclear weapons on the Arabs, but I say, so what? Let them fight it out until the rubble bounces and most of the Mideast is radioactive slag. After it is over, there will be peace in the Mideast for 100 years.
We could of course wait until the oil runs down to withdraw. Once the oil runs out, we won't care about the Mideast anymore.
Andrewp111
March 11th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
This is complete BS. We should tell the Israelis "You are on your own. No more cash from the US. We will sell you weapons, but you must obtain the cash elsewhere. You have no exit, as all requests for emigration to the USA will be denied. You have nuclear weapons. You had better plan on using them."
The Arabs would then attack soon thereafter. And Israel would annhiliate them.
ML3
March 11th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
Is that what the Muslims do in their countries? Fantastic. Why are you so concerned? Not the issue.
Move there, bring your Talmud, and by all means, start converting.
There must be some drug that the Isrealis can invent to make the world love them. Keep working on it.
Anyway, the US is not surrounded by a sea of Muslims who hate us, Isreal is. World opinion is against you. Albert Einstein warned against a state of settler fanatics which is no better than any bunch of fanatics, armed with nukes. And the fallout will blow back your way so don't get too cocky.
In the meantime, go play with Hezbollah, maybe you do better than 2006.
ML3
March 11th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
I never said they called for the EXTERMINATION of Arab Muslims
But i'm sure they are real pillars of the community nevertheless. Hopefully America will cut this AIPAC / J Street cancer out of its domestic body politic already and send these dual citizen / traitors in sensitive gov't. posts to jail or out of the country altogether.
I'm sure there's plenty of room in your beloved resource free Welfare Queen Isreal for them to kiss Netanyahoo ass
ML3
March 11th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
You're witnessing the birth of Arab modernity in the Middle East little man. And your insignificant, illegitimate, yet always newsworthy country is scared. How long will it take to dismantle Isreal proper and move the whole loony lot of you to Birobdjian, the Jewish homeland in the Russian Far East? Take away your nukes, dual citizenship, pack your bags and go? Look, no more evil backwards Muslims to be afraid of!
Frankly, I'm pretty sick of hearing so much about a desert country the size of New Jersey because the news is almost always pretty negative.
I love the one or two guys on these sites who sound like they would be defending Adolf Hitler and Aryan Supremacy, were it 1936.
Hey but I give you guys credit for attempting to emulate Nazis. Keep trying, you'll get it.
ML3
March 11th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
and one more: Quoted from Jerusalem Pest:
" The sole purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews, according to Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, the head of Shas’s Council of Torah.
“Goyim (non-Jews) were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel,” he said in his weekly Saturday night sermon on the laws regarding the actions non-Jews are permitted to perform on Shabbat.
“Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We (Jews) will sit like an effendi and eat. "
That is why gentiles were created,” he added. http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Artic…
james
March 12th, 2011 at 1:55 am
If I were a very small minority in a sea of hatered as you put it, I would look for somewhere else to live or live very politely, and I would think twice before acting so arrogantly. You know damn well who has all the haterd Johnny boy, pushing for war after war.
Tgwn again, that is still no convincing reason why the US should help Israel.
frankie p
March 12th, 2011 at 2:29 am
Bodkin,
Save us the embroidery, and just repeat the four points that your masters at Hasbara Central use to make the case for the rogue, apartheid state of Israel:
We rock.
They suck.
You suck.
The whole world sucks.
johnny benson
March 12th, 2011 at 10:27 am
i will say this….it is good to see clearly, that all this anti israel smoke and mirrors the true feelings of the posters on this blog….brings out the garbage jew-haters out there…so go to it boys and girls….join the multitude of blind fools….the jews have outlasted a lot tougher haters then you idiots….from the hitties to the nazis …and will be around for the next 3000 years…like it or not
johnny benson
March 12th, 2011 at 10:41 am
ml3…..you didnt answer…where did the hammas fighters hide….and if the israelis did use human shields…who shot them?…..your brave pals…..as far as the hezbollah….they killed maybe…100 or so…did no damage to speak of…with thousands of rockets……meanwhile getting their half of beruit wiped out…their villages in south lebanon destroyed….having..thousands killed…..then crying for the world to save them…….but i will give you this…..those pics of beruit and babys in the hospital did give you creeps a propaganda victory
ML3
March 12th, 2011 at 11:22 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birobidjian
Go here. Out of sight, out of mind.
johnny benson
March 12th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
better yet ml3…why dont you go join one of the bunch, who are trying to push me there….sure would be nice to run into you…..
jackbootstate
March 12th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
"…It does not accept a one-state solution, the only one likely to work, that would make the followers of all religions equal citizens in a unified state embracing both Arabs and Jews. J Street’s Executive Director Jeremy Ben-Ami has called a one-state solution a "nightmare."…"
But a repartitioning of Palestine/Israel will end up with everybody living happily ever after. Of course, there would be no reason to be concerned about the safety of the Arab minority on the Israeli side of the post '67 borders. No need to worry if such a settlement were to force those nutty, right wing Israeli settles out of the West Bank and back into Israel. It's easy to advocate such a settlement when you don't have to worry about getting uprooted from your home in Israel and forced to live what will be nothing more than a Palestinian bantustan, which will be recognized as a "state". Such a state wouldn't be allowed to be much, and would end up looking a lot more like one of those Apartheid era bantustans than a real independent state. Israel simply wouldn't allow it to be anything more than a bantustan.
Ethnic partitions have consistently produced enormous bloodshed and displacement, like Palestine/Israel and India/Pakistan in the late 40's and Yugoslavia in the early '90's. Yet we're supposed to believe that this is a no brainer and that we can easily draw a line between 11 million people living in a land area about the size of New Jersey.
A two state settlement is effectively an Apartheid arrangement and I think it is appalling that many people on the left, Noam Chomsky included, are advocating this.
Bodkin
March 13th, 2011 at 8:07 am
Yeah, right. When you can't construct an argument, just call your opponent a Nazi. Could you get any more desperate?
But it's ironic you mention it. I suspect you're too ignorant to know about this, but look up Mohammad Amin al-Husayni. He was the Arab ancestor of Yassir Arafat who collaborated with Hitler and encouraged the mass extermination of J-ws.
By the way, Mein Kampf is a big seller in the Muslim world. If anyone's keeping Hitler's ideas alive, it's…(three guesses).
Bodkin
March 13th, 2011 at 8:18 am
Paranoid delusions and conspiracy theories = the hallmarks of Israel Derangement Syndrome.
This kind of kneejerk, thoughtless, endlessly parrotted garbage accounts for at least 75% of what anyone who posts a pro-Israel message has to endure. The usual labels include: troll, Zionist shill, hasbara-bot, megaphony.
You need to slap these labels on your opponents and compartmentalize them, otherwise you're helpless to respond.
San Fernando Curt
March 13th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
Look on the bright side. Nobody's called you barbaric and backward. Please: Entertain us with another sermon about "racial slurs".
Empiricon
March 13th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Dare I suggest that the assumption that "Israel's enemies are itching to attack" is falacious and used to justify Israel's unending perfidy?
"The powers in charge keep us in a perpetual state of fear keep us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor with the cry of grave national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it by furnishing the exorbitant sums demanded. Yet, in retrospect, these disasters seem never to have happened, seem never to have been quite real." – General Douglas MacArthur
ML3
March 14th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
I guess this quote from The Jerusalem Post is another example of Isreally Derangement Syndrome, except this time coming out of an Isreali mouth in an Isreali newspaper.
The silence is deafening
ML3
March 14th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
The fact that your mighty, US backed, beloved IDF has to use human shields against a poorly equipped, ragtag militia shows just what kind of hopeless cowards they really are… maybe it was when they shot those Turks in international waters on an AID vessel…or maybe it was all the civilians killed in Beirut in 2006 after Hezbollah chased you out of there with your tail between your legs…or maybe Gaza in 2008? Lots of civilians killed there too…but I forget the IDF doesn't differentiate between civvies and enemy combatants…
I don't think even Netanyahoo is stupid enough to start another war with Hezbollah again…might make the US question the Welfare Queen handout…why should we keep paying for you to lose to Hezbollah?
ML3
March 14th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
hysterical, johhny b…again why are we haters if we point out the consistent immoral behavior of your little state? Why was it wrong for Nazi Germany to kill Jews but its ok for Isreali Jews to kill Arabs?
You both claim to be civilized, responsible nations, so what's the difference? why do they not equate morally?
Siesindauchschuldig
March 15th, 2011 at 10:17 am
AIPAC and probably J St are pushing as hard as they can for a war with Iran. They prefer that the US wage this war. If you say that there are very few Jews in the US military, and that a war with Iran is both illegal and immoral, you are immediately accused of being anti-Semitic and somehow an admirer of Hitler, when the real Hitlers are the people continually calling for bombing, invading and occupying Muslim countries while carefully sidestepping military service – or military service for their own children.
Jim
March 15th, 2011 at 10:50 am
johnny benson
Dry your eyes child. Karma's comin'.
Freddie
March 15th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
I have a theory…. every pro-Israeli comment is only ever posted by a paid agent… (let's face it, which civilised human being would defend their actions anyway)..
now what catchy phrase can we label it with…. hmmn…. Paid Agent's Comment Syndrome..?
Chas
March 15th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Aren't we the sanctimonious one ? Have you anything to say about the "Samson Option", the deliberate triggering of WW3 even though it will incinerate yourselves as well, Bodkin ? You think your chicken-joyride will just continue with everyone getting out of your way, forever ?
johnny benson
March 16th, 2011 at 10:35 am
freddie….you are a perfect example of the brainwashed …..try reading the pro-israel blogs…they are much larger then these weak kneed Jew haters sites…..ten times the posts
(Edited for anti-semtic content.)
Freddie
March 16th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Jonny benson…..
re ''try reading the pro-islael blogs''…… I have.. but I just cant take all the lies that are spewed there endlessly.. it gets sickening after a while..
re ''much larger then these weak kneed Jew haters sites…..ten times the posts''… sorry but those are extremely poor and weak arguements for me to dash over for another look…
Out of curiousity, why have you been hanging around this particular article for what appears to be the last 5 days…. good grief it's not your job is it?
Jim
March 19th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Is being irritating part of your culture?