There has been considerable concern expressed in the media over the date August 21st. It was the day when Russian technicians were to insert the fuel rods to begin the activation of the Iranian nuclear reactor at Bushehr. No less a voice out of the past than John Bolton, UN Ambassador under George W. Bush, called for an immediate attack on the Iranian nuclear facilities before the reactor became operational. Bolton and his neoconservative friends reasoned that no attack against Iran would be "complete" if Bushehr were not taken out as it is part of the broader Iranian nuclear program. In their view, its destruction would have the same impact as the bombing of the Iraqi Osirak reactor by Israel in 1981, which was intended to derail Saddam Hussein’s nuclear ambitions.
Well, the 21st has come and gone and neither Israel nor the United States took the initiative to destroy Bushehr. Indeed, the entire argument about attacking it has something of a surreal quality. Bushehr is not a reactor that can be used to concentrate its fuel, meaning that it can generate electricity but cannot itself produce weapons grade uranium or plutonium. The entire argument about attacking it seems to center on its symbolic value as Iran’s only soon-to-be operating reactor combined with the notion that its fuel could be removed and enriched somewhere else. The reactor is located in a relatively heavily populated coastal area and the demand to hit it before it became operational was based on the possible consequences of having to do so after it is up and running. Destroying an operating reactor would produce considerable radioactive contamination that would devastate a wide area both within Iran and in neighboring countries and would kill many civilians. Comparisons with Chernobyl and Three Mile Island spring to mind. Whoever would bomb and destroy such a target would be vilified by most of the international community, and rightly so. While Israel and the United States both regularly ignore such criticism, the deaths of thousands in a deliberate bombing directed against a country that poses no immediate threat would be a bit hard to explain, even in the New York Times and Washington Post.
To be completely and cold bloodedly serious about the respective positions being staked out by Iran and its chief antagonists in Washington and Tel Aviv, one must first of all remember that Tehran does not currently have a nuclear weapon and there is no real evidence that it even has a program to produce one. It has been basically compliant with the UN inspection regime mandated by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, to which it is a signatory. Nor is there any evidence that the Mullahs are suicidal, suggesting that they would not want to develop a weapon in a secret program at great cost to hand off to terrorists and thereby guarantee the annihilation of their nation and millions of their people. And they have good reason to be just a bit paranoid about their own security. The repeated threats coming out of Israel and the United States that "all options are on the table" with Iran is a not exactly subtle suggestion that many policymakers in both countries consider it perfectly acceptable to begin bombing, all in spite of the fact that it would be an attack on a country based on what might happen without any evidence that there is an actual intention to develop and use a weapon of mass destruction. Bombing a country under those circumstances would be a war crime, one more crime among many.
The real problem is that the public utterances of the policy makers in Washington and Tel Aviv have backed them into a corner, reducing their options and committing them to a policy that has no real attainable objective and makes absolutely no sense. If Iran is a threat at all, which can be disputed, it can be easily contained by either Israel or the United States, both of which have large nuclear and conventional arsenals. Iran is a military midget compared to either country, though admittedly it has the capability to strike back hard in asymmetrical ways if it is attacked.
President Barack Obama and Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu both appreciate very clearly that Iran does not pose a serious threat and both know that the often cited claim that Tehran has called for wiping Israel off the map is bogus. Such knowledge is widespread even among hawks in Israel, though apparently less so among American neocons. In September 2009 former Israeli Prime Minister and current Minister of Defense Ehud Barak was quoted as saying that "I am not among those who believe Iran is an existential issue for Israel." A few years earlier, Foreign Minister Livni argued against the idea that a nuclear Iran would be an existential threat. This summer, ex-Mossad chief Ephraim Halevi made the same point and added that speaking of Iran as an existential threat exaggerates Iran’s power and suggests instead the false and dangerous narrative that Israel might be vulnerable.
But in spite of their certain knowledge of the fragility of the Iranian threat, both Obama and Netanyahu have unfortunately let themselves wallow in rhetoric that hypes the danger. If it sounds and smells exactly like the lead up to Iraq, it should. And, like the case of Iraq, the fearmongering does not end with the intemperate comments made by the two leaders. The US Congress with its proposed House Resolution 1553 is engaged in giving the green light for an Israeli attack on Iran, indicating in advance its support for such an action. HR 1553 comes on top of harsh sanctions approved in early July, measures that could lead to US Navy vessels attempting to board Iranian flagged merchant ships. Even tougher sanctions, steps that would almost certainly lead to war are endorsed by many legislators, particularly those who are regarded as close to Israel. Congressman Brad Sherman of California explains "Critics [of the sanctions] argued that these measures will hurt the Iranian people. Quite frankly, we need to do just that." At least Congress shows consistency when it is knee jerking spasmodically to demonstrate support for Israel. Sherman’s view of Iranians is somewhat similar to his punishing the Gazans for voting for Hamas or pillorying the Turks for trying to send aid to the Palestinians. Or, not so long ago, sending the 500,000 Iraqi children to their deaths à la Madeleine Albright.
And the White House rhetoric blends harmoniously with the congressional ire. President Obama, Vice President Biden, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have all repeatedly stated that Israel is completely free to make its own decisions relating to its security. That assertion presumably plays well in certain quarters, but as an Israeli attack will have to be enabled by the United States they also know that bombing courtesy of Tel Aviv would mean Iranian retaliation directed against American troops in the Middle East. In other words, America’s leaders have abdicated all responsibility for maintaining a rational policy in an unstable part of the world and have instead granted the authority to make key decisions to Israel. How many Americans will die as a result?
Both the Israeli and American people have been prepared for war by all of the truculent noises coming out of Washington and the propaganda appearing in the media. The conversation on Iran, such as it is, has been expressly designed to bring about a war rather than avoid it. The mainstream media disinformation campaign orchestrated by AIPAC has worked just fine. Most Americans already believe incorrectly that Iran has a nuclear weapon and most also support attacking it, a product of the steady diet of hokum that they have been fed. The moral turpitude of America and Israel’s leaders combined with the popular consensus that they have willy-nilly allowed to develop grants the concept of war with Iran a certain inevitability. Former CIA Director Michael Hayden has described the process as "inexorable."
So we have dodged the bullet on the war that might have begun on August 21st because our leaders really do know that Iran is not a threat and when it came to gut check time were ultimately unwilling to start World War III. But the bomb is still ticking because those selfsame politicians, lacking any sense of true leadership, have set the forces in play that will almost inevitably produce a war. It is somewhat reminiscent of Iraq surely, but it also recalls the 1914 European security environment in which an entangling web of alliances and arrangements virtually guaranteed that a war would take place. The only way to stop the rot is for President Obama to consider for a moment what is good for the United States rather than for his political party’s hold on power. He should act like a true statesman instead of a used car salesman. If he is uncertain how to do that there are a number of good nineteenth century political biographies that he can read up on to learn the ropes. He must stand up before the American people and state simply and unequivocally that Washington opposes any new military action in the Middle East and that the United States is not threatened by Iran and will take no part in any military action directed against it. He might add that the US will further consider anyone staging such an attack as an aggressor nation and will immediately break off relations before demanding a UN Security Council vote to condemn the action. Will that happen? Fat chance.
Read more by Philip Giraldi
- Boston Becomes Toxic – May 15th, 2013
- Gatekeeping for Zion – May 9th, 2013
- Kristol Clear – May 1st, 2013
- What Has Bibi Been Doing? – April 24th, 2013
- Drones and Death Lists: The New Face of Warfare – April 17th, 2013





Debbie(aussie)
August 25th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
'He might add that the US will further consider anyone staging such an attack as an aggressor nation and will immediately break off relations before demanding a UN Security Council vote to condemn the action. Will that happen? Fat chance.' Yep, about as much chance as the US getting out of Iraq(really) and AfPak, right?
Johnny in Wi.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
Bolton and the rest of the neoconservatives are lunatics. Thank you Dr. Girardi for stating the case for peace so well and for so long. They keep playing with fire to placate the Israeli Lobby and are going to drag us into a world war. There must be some sane leader who can stop it..
Claus Eric Hamle
August 26th, 2010 at 12:46 am
But now the war comes automatically in September as Castro said – when the US is going to inspect Iranian ships. How on earth did the war mongers get this right to inspection come September into the text ? And why did Russia and China vote for it ? Of course, they want the US to commit suicide and go bankrupt. Fidel Castro asked the US not to do inspections as it leads directly to war. And Castro predicted that Iran will sink the US fleet in the Persian Gulf as response and the US will go mad and use nuclear weapons. Unfortunately, nothing can stop the war now, the US will no doubt do inspections and the war is on.
There´s ONE good thing, though. The Pentagon won´t have any more justification for the anti-retaliation missiles to be deployed on ships in the Black Sea in Bulgaria and in Romania and Poland by 2015.
Venket Raghavan
August 26th, 2010 at 12:49 am
Makes the entire country of the United States Of America look like a bunch of bloodthirsty savages when its really just a couple of thousand, ultra-selfish elites staging all these scenarios.
theothercanada
August 26th, 2010 at 2:04 am
It is the GREED of the Military Industrial Complex and AIPAC which are steering America towards suicide, not Russia and China. Proxy war against Russia will continue so the missiles will stay in Satrap and Vassal countries for as long as USA can afford to keep them there. Anglo-American alliance of terror is after Russia's resources in the bigger scheme of things, Iran is a distraction and "justification" for those who believe Russians are dumb enough to buy it.
die Wahrheit zählt
August 26th, 2010 at 3:03 am
A very lucid and truthful article again by Mr. Giraldi. Please make sur the nobel peace prize winner gets to read it!
liveload
August 26th, 2010 at 3:24 am
You knocked it out of the park. Well done, sir.
"He should act like a true statesman instead of a used car salesman. If he is uncertain how to do that there are a number of good nineteenth century political biographies that he can read up on to learn the ropes."
Brilliant…because it really has been that long since we strayed off the path of a Republic and onto that of an Empire.
epppie
August 26th, 2010 at 3:31 am
Yes. This is a homerun. This is what alternapundits should be writing, instead of puffery geared to let Obama and the Dems off the hook while blaming the 'war party' (as if the war party weren't virtually the entire political establishment).
Well done, sir. Well done. Bravo.
Avi of Mondoweiss
August 26th, 2010 at 5:04 am
Beyond the current nuclear issue, I wonder if there are indications that Israel is intentionally creating a political wedge issue between Iran and the US so as to prevent the US from mending its political and economic ties with Iran? One would think that the US would prefer to have Iran on its side so as to facilitate cooperation between it, Iraq and Syria, especially on matters related to the Taliban and by extension — at least allegedly — Al-Qa'ida. James Baker made a similar point when he introduced the Iraq Study Group's findings.
So, this has me wondering whether it's possible that Israel is feigning concern over Iran's nuclear program, with the help of AIPAC — using one election after another for leverage — so as to force the US and the White House to unequivocally support Israel, thus preventing the US from cozying up to Iran.
From Israel's perspective, it would seem that improved ties between Iran and the US would threaten its hegemonic influence and power in the region and would certainly put Israel's own interests at odds with those of the US.
Is there any "chatter" in the intelligence community to support that theory, or is it completely implausible, I wonder?
bogi666
August 26th, 2010 at 5:06 am
The bombing of a nuclear facility is the equivalent of a nuclear attack, and John Bolton and the neocon's are advocating the use of nuclear attacks. The USG with its use of depleted uranium and exposing American troops to the depleted uranium show that the USG has no regard for any human life. These are the same nut cases whom claim they are pro life on the one hands and using nuclear attacks on the other. These nuclear attacks are indiscriminate and will kill children. This is the pro lifers.
JohnDowser
August 26th, 2010 at 5:26 am
"President Barack Obama and Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu both appreciate very clearly that Iran does not pose a serious threat and both know that the often cited claim that Tehran has called for wiping Israel off the map is bogus. "
It's a nice thought, but again and again the malign ignorance raises its ugly head. Anyway, these two people are focussed on survival in their political jungle & juggle universe. "Facts" do no exist here: one just says what needs to be said in a given circumstance. We're not talking about a "reality-based" community at the level of the presidency – in that sense not much has changed since their predecessors.
Oldtimer
August 26th, 2010 at 7:22 am
There is only one country in the middle east that is constantly agitating war.
James
August 26th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Bullshit, more than 65% of this nation are lunatics or idiots who believe everything they are told. They are ALL guilty because, as they keep repeating, they are a DEMOCRACY and a FREE WORLD and all the third world are savages. Nobody can defend this nations actions until we see a REAL converted effort of resistance which is far from eminent.
Hec Jervae
August 26th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
It's safe to say that the U.S. under both Bush and Obama has told Israel NOT to attack Iran (yet). Otherwise, if Israel wanted to do it, and had not been told specifically not to, it would go ahead and do it knowing its agents in the U.S. would have the Congress's support in no time flat and it would almost immediately be America's war as well.
Phil Giraldi
August 26th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
I think you are basically correct – Israel is fearful of any rapprochement between Washington and Tehran because it would alter the polarity of the entire region and diminish Tel Aviv's significance as a bulwark against radical Islam (so the story goes). Many intelligence analysts have noted a consistent Israeli policy to stir up disagreements between Washington and the other states in the region so that only Israel will be regarded as reliable.
jinxxxx
August 26th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
Mr Giraldi
Please read….would you consider submitting your articles to the Huffington Post? We need alot more people to be made aware of what you know…think. Anti-war does not have a big enough readership to make a difference. I beleive Huffpo maybe does….plus Ms huffington is on MSNBC and other networks too..most articles submitted to Huffpo by zionists are regularly denounced as pure propaganda,,,maybe submitt your artilces also to Mondowiess…I believe Phil Weiss supports Israel but surely does not like the Israeli lobby or actions of the Israeli gove..We need to attack the pro-isreal crowd in the US like they attack everyone on earth….or else we will not have a country left….
thank you
jim
GradyWilson
August 26th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
I agree Hec. I'm not buying the narrative that Israel has so much control over US foreign policy or that they would act unilaterally against Iran. Lets not lose perspective; Israel is the vulnerable, dependent client state (even with their nukes) and the US is the big bad superpower calling the shots.
Phil Giraldi
August 26th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Jim – I used to write regularly for HuffPost but I found that my pieces were never featured by the editors and were instead part of a babble of pieces that were mostly un-serious pop culture items. Terrible exposure for serious content and not a good place to be in general. I also consider Arianna a poseur and a fraud, but that is a separate issue. I have stopped reading HuffPost completely because when I commented about pro-Israel pieces my comments were invariably "moderated" out and eventually my email address was blocked. They do print a lot of stuff critical of Israel but I would bet that most comments are eliminated in the editing. Phil Weiss frequently features my stuff and I have tremendous respect for his website.
GradyWilson
August 26th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Seems like the honorable people who speak truth to power like the good Mr.s Giraldi, Huber, Raimondo, Bachevich, Parry, Greenwald, et al seem to get ostracized not just by Arriana but by all of the private free market media outlets?
Eddie
August 26th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
yeah… stay away from Huffpost.. I dont think they like sensible comments posted over there.. it attracts the wrong crowd..
ps keep up the good work.
Augustus
August 26th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
So sorry to disrupt the Philip Giraldi Echo Chamber, but…
"He might add that the US will further consider anyone staging such an attack as an aggressor nation and will immediately break off relations before demanding a UN Security Council vote to condemn the action."
Iran under the Mullahs is certainly an aggressor nation, even though its supporters are fond of claiming that it hasn't invaded a nation for centuries. It still sponsors terrorist activity and stands accused of killing many American soldiers in the current wars. Arming Hamas and Hezbollah and constantly provoking Israel in myriad ways hardly earns Iran the status of a peace-seeking nation, and I highly doubt even their staunchest apologists truly believe that their nuclear program (which just so happens to coincide with efforts to amass long-range missiles) has only peaceful aims.
Point being, if enough Israelis believe that their survival is threatened from this vile and aggressive regime–based on an assessment of facts which the author is quick to dismiss as "hokum"–it's disingenuous and self-serving to condemn Israel as an "aggressor" nation if it decides to act pre-emptively in its own defense.
Augustus
August 26th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
Pre-emption is not aggression (especially when you're a one-bomb country). It's just that Israel's detractors bend over backward to establish that the two are one and the same. It's true that the doctrine of pre-emption may be used as a cover for aggressive action, but it doesn't mean that pre-emption is necessarily equivalent to aggression in every conceivable case.
I don't recall America declaring that it would break off relations with any other ally–and yes, some Americans do consider Israel an ally–when that ally seemed to be on the verge of taking urgent military action on its own behalf. I wonder if the author would be so quick to declare, say, Italy or Britain an aggressor nation and break off relations with it if it found itself in a similar dilemma, even if it meant that its dilemma might become America’s dilemma, too.
Is this to be the new paradigm: "break off relations" whenever an ally is, to the best of its judgment, on the verge of saving its own hide?
I realize entangling alliances are problematic, but I'm not sure the best way to deal with one is to transform it into its very opposite, in one fell swoop.
fedupandsick
August 26th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
Allies have defined borders. israel's are ever expanding. And stop with the tripe about Iran being responsible for american deaths, Do you recall how many Iranians died during the Iraq/Iran war and who supplied our good buddy saddam?
liveload
August 26th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
This is an astute observation, but it's also bad for business. There are probably hundreds, if not thousands of American companies that right this moment would like nothing more than to be able to do business with and in Iran. Our best interests lie in having penetration into as many friendly markets as possible in the world to trade with, right? Especially when they would buy up just about everything we sell under such friendly relations. At what point does Israel's influence in our political process get outweighed by sheer greed?
Augustus
August 26th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
"Allies have defined borders. israel's are ever expanding."
Silly, unpersuasive comment. Is this to be the new definition of "ally" because you say so? Quick, somebody call Webster's.
As for "ever expanding", that's got to be one of the most laughable criticisms made of Israel. It's a miniscule place one can barely see on a map of the world. By contrast, its enemies have "expanded" across whole continents and oceans, and won't rest till they dominate a few more square miles they insist must be returned to "dar-al-Islam", including the )ewish quarter in the Old City. And didn't America "expand" from the Atlantic to the Pacific, spilling lots of blood along the way? Are you one to talk?
"ever expanding". Yeah, tell me another one…
ann
August 26th, 2010 at 7:21 pm
Israel is an existential threat to America.
mother of necessity
August 26th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
ah.
if israel is not expanding, then i guess the palestinians are not losing terrirtory.
map of palestinian lands taken from israelis: http://www.coffinman.co.uk/Palestinian_land_loss_…
mother of necessity
August 26th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
and you refer to america, and europeans cleansing america of its native inhabitants.
so, seeing as how two wrongs make a right, and might makes right, europeans are entitled to cleanse palestine of its native inhabitants.
good enough,
now we understand.
mother of necessity
August 26th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
point being, israelis are trying to lie america into another war, on the pretext —another lie— that iran is developing nuke weapons.
where's the proof?
havent we already been lied into a war by israelis and the zionist lobby and media?
why on earth should we fall for the same trick a second time?
mother of necessity
August 26th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
israel's problem is this: israel must be secured before its american protector collapses from oil shortages and looters who see the peak oil handwriting on the wall.
if you guys can cobble up some excuse to close hormuz, that will be the excuse you need to build pipes from the persian gulf to israel, and israel's survival, once the arabs and persians are subdued —before america collapses— wil be guaranteed by control of oil.
map: PNAC plan http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3637/pnacplan1…
long term threat to israel: in case global warming turns out to be the real thing: http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9469/3israelto…
mother of necessity
August 26th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
it's the same old argument: if you're so certain iran is making nukes, you must have proof.
if you have proof, then it's time to present that truth to the UN inspectors.
but i'm forgetting one big thing here, arent it? …that big thing being: neocons and the israeli american empire can create its own reality, presumably including iranian nuclear weapons.
the proof, i suppose, will have to come on another false flag attack on america, this time nuclear, blamed on iran…
caroline glick has established a legend for such an operation… supposed nuke cooperation between north korean and iran, and the new york times has done its part, informing us that our nuke forensic capability is lagging, so we wont be able to figure out where the bombs came from…
…very convenient for israel, if it decides to pull out all the stops and do a nuke false flag on america, blamed on iran and north korea.
conumishu
August 26th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
Britain is an agressor, alongside US and all the countries that helped invading Iraq.
The article necessarily reminds the simple truth: the war of agression against Iraq = a blatant lie (masterminded with the help of British secret services as it was subsequently revealed) combined with "preemptive" action.
I'm pretty sure it will happen again despite the efforts of many, including sane minds inside the military and secret services, but each time this death smelling stench is thrown in the face of humanity the closer gets the moment for the cleansing. Brute force, lies and sophistry can only get you so far.
conumishu
August 26th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
On a more serious note. Only if US is ready to back Israel if Israel decides to use its nuclear weapons "preemptively". The balance of nuclear assured destruction includes Israel even if Israel doesn't realize it. But I'm sure it does, as is US, Russia or… Iran. Once you have nuclear weapons, you simply can't use them otherwise you instantly become the #1 threat for all the other nuclear armed powers. Even Bolton drew the line there. The playground is open only for conventional (and not so conventional wars) – no existential threat there.
mother of necessity
August 26th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
you're saying that america would have attacked afghanistan, iraq and iran even if israel didnt exist.
so it's all about oil, and israel has nothing to do with it?
are you saying that the zionist media, congress of america, and the likud party of israel, are being groomed as scapegoats for the war on terror operation, which is nothing more than cover for the largest looting operation in history?
and what about israel's samson option? …will that come into play once the israelis figure out they're being played for suckers?
Wolfgang9
August 27th, 2010 at 12:47 am
Hi epppie,
I agree with you, but I miss something in the discussion what the really good article pointed to. And this is that maybe bombing of Buschehr is now out of the question but that will NOT stop the Mossad and maybe even CIA to plot an "accident". With that they can get the same result as bombing and even blame the Iranians themselves. I'm pretty sure that they are working on that right now!!
W
Augustus
August 27th, 2010 at 1:57 am
Someone like you wouldn't remember any POSITIVE stories about Israel, because in your biased mind it's TOTALLY, 100 PERCENT EVIL. So spare me your "anecdotes". They don't reveal much beyond the calumnies YOU'RE itching to express.
Having to leave an adopted country for part of the year is also a problem for some people in the USA. In Mexico, there are draconian immigration laws. And just try to stay indefinitely in Switzerland, among other places. But since there's only one country a bigot like YOU wants to demonize, you're predictably full of damning info about that one particular place. Anti-Israel slanders stick in your memory like glue and you can't wait to share them with all your buddies!
Here's a bit of news you probably won't be repeating anytime soon: Israeli researchers in Tel Aviv are developing a state-of-the-art technique to fight cancer cells using nanotechnology. Be sure and spread the good word, Wolfie.
Avi of Mondoweiss
August 27th, 2010 at 4:57 am
Thanks. I appreciate your reply.
Eddie
August 27th, 2010 at 5:49 am
no Augustus…. I'd rather spread the news that Isreal developed state-of-the-art weapons which they used agains innocent civilians in Gaza and elsewhere..
By the way… are you one of those paid 'appologists'…. you sound like one.
conumishu
August 27th, 2010 at 9:28 am
The looting is as old as mankind. The last centuries, mostly the last 2, the west had the share of the lion. But those days are ending.
I'm saying the use of nuclear weapons still seems to be a 'no option'. There is a balance of terror, assured by US and Russia at the world level and regionaly by the rest of nuclear powers. I'm certain there is an unwritten rule that no one will use them first. Not because of high morals, only because, no matter how you'd present it after, the other players would automatically see the one using them as out of control and the most formidable danger to their existance.
conumishu
August 27th, 2010 at 9:29 am
(continued)
The scenarios proposed to the media include terrorists acquiring the bomb, usually one piece. The mad ruler scenario is rare. This is how the system works. If someone wants to break the system, all the others would rush to keep it safe. It may break, someone could push it to the limit, but this isn't the desired outcome. At least not for any of the meaningful players, Iran included.
The back to the wall variant, when a nuclear armed state considers it has no other option left but to use the weapons hasn't occured yet. Not even remotely close. The 1960s or 80s confrontations could have ended in holocaust only by mistake, imo, otherwise, neither US nor USSR didn't face a significant threat to their security (or perceived interests).
mother of necessity
August 27th, 2010 at 10:29 am
"The back to the wall variant, when a nuclear armed state considers it has no other option left but to use the weapons hasn't occured yet."
yet.
what happens when israel's life support system, aka america, comes apart at the seams from looters, war expenses, lowering standard of living…. all those things a direct result of peak oil?
so israel is over a barrel: it can use america up in attempts to secure itself, but those attempts are speeding up the deterioration… and israel must be secured before its support system collapses.
meanwhile, the big looters would never in their right minds move to israel for refuge once america collapses… that's the point of looting: you can buy refuge and move to the garden spot of lyour choice.
there are factions, too: some jewish religious fanatics apparenty would use their samson option, deathwish christians need armageddon, and then there are the plain vanilla looters.
mother of necessity
August 27th, 2010 at 10:36 am
"…looting is as old as mankind."
peak oil, however isnt.
the judeo-christian religious fanatics must accomplish their goals —preservation of israel, or armageddon— before their tool runs out of oil.
the whole situation is too ridiculous… that's why, as time wears on, i'm leaning more towards the opinion that the really big guys are concentrating on looting…
of course, there may be religious fanatics and racial supremacists who have a certain limited grasp of reality, and might then be content to loot.
mother of necessity
August 27th, 2010 at 10:57 am
are you trying to say the israeli american empire will last forever, and israel will never be threatened to the point that the samson option israelis pull the nuke trigger?
why is aumann so "despaired"? …has he gamed out the trends, including oil supplies? …would aumann be willing to use the samson option as israel goes under?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Aumann+I…
Augustus
August 27th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
"no Augustus…. I'd rather spread the news that Isreal developed state-of-the-art weapons which they used agains innocent civilians"
Of course you would. That's precisely my point. You're on the "team". You should print out your post and slap it on your forehead as a badge of dishonor.
In your ultra-biased mind, Israel is nothing but the sum of its military operations, orchestrated by a handful of individuals. The other Israel, which regularly contributes positive things to the world, is something you envious folks would never acknowledge. It spoils the image you try so hard to create.
Funny how I never hear you malicious types portray Syria as a nation of mass murderers, after Assad (senior) slaughtered tens of thousands of Arabs in Hama. You don't bash Jordan either, even though King Hussein slaughtered tens of thousands just a few decades ago. There are so many examples, and yet folks like you always give those countries a free pass. You don't mind at all when Arabs murder other Arabs, or when Muslims murder other Muslims. It doesn't even register.
YOU SEE ONLY WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE.
mother of necessity
August 27th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
…and i gotta say this: israel wouldnt be in such a pickle had it not been such a bad idea in the first place.
mother of necessity
August 27th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
"YOU SEE ONLY WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE."
i dont want to see israel as the worst threat to america, but that's just the way it is.
mother of necessity
August 27th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
you people are fucked until you admit israel was a bad idea, and try to make amends with the palestinians.
it's just barely possible that the palestinians will forgive you.
but if you're driven by geologic imperatives, imperatives that include exterminating palestinians , well….
…maybe einstein was right about israel.
mother of necessity
August 27th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
einstein israel fascism
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=einstein…
mother of necessity
August 27th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
anyhow, given the fact that israel was usch a bad idea. given the fact that israelis have nukes, given the fact that there are so many jews of honest conscience, it looks like israel is shaping up to be a major factor in the destruction of jewishness.
is that a good thing for common jews, or not?
mother
August 27th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
it's just that there comes a point where you have to acknowledge your stupidity, and make some adjustments.
Augustus
August 27th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
I thought Invention was the Mother of Necessity, but I've heard all your uninventive blather too many times from too many uninspired sources. Maybe MoFo would be more fitting. Oh, and considering all the bigots in this world, a homeland for "us people" not only isn't a "bad idea", it's a … "necessity".
Dane Z.
August 27th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
"The only way to stop the rot is for President Obama to consider for a moment what is good for the United States rather than for his political party’s hold on power. "
This has nothing to do with any political party. Obama, the entire US government, the media, banking, etc., etc., – the entire us – is wholly owned and completely controlled by puppets (e.g., Bibi) of The House of Rothschild.
Think even bigger.
http://peterbcollins.com/2010/08/24/the-world-acc…
Wolfgang9
August 28th, 2010 at 3:56 am
There is no country secured for a long time. With technology progressing there will always be a first strike opportunity against a country which is no longer financially able to come up with an updated defense. (See Russia.) Therefore when the US can or will not anymore supply the huge amount of money Israel needs for its pure existence I srael surrounded by enemies will not survive for long.
W
Wolfgang9
August 28th, 2010 at 8:09 am
Now I'm a "bigot" just because I cannot tolerate the behavior of your countrymen? Hurting and killing everybody who is in your way to get more and more and more?
You have inflicted so much pain on other people, you should THANK me for reminding you to change your politics. Since your time is running out, even though you may still have the power to kill many, but the days of the US empire are counted and so are yours!
Got a chuckle when reading that letter signed by Einstein (link is http://www.globalwebpost.com/farooqm/study_res/ei…
): All of those "anti-semits" signig it:
Isidore Abramowitz, Hannah Arendt, Abraham Brick, Rabbi Jessurun Cardozo, Albert Einstein, Herman Eisen, M.D., Hayim Fineman, M. Gallen, M.D., H.H. Harris, Zelig S. Harris, Sidney Hook, Fred Karush, Bruria Kaufman, Irma L. Lindheim, Nachman Maisel, Symour Melman, Myer D. Mendelson, M.D., Harry M. Orlinsky, Samuel Pitlick, Fritz Rohrlich, Louis P. Rocker, Ruth Sager, Itzhak Sankowsky, I.J. Schoenberg, Samuel Shuman, M. Znger, Irma Wolpe, Stefan Wolpe
conumishu
August 28th, 2010 at 9:54 am
I can't see how it would help Israel if it launches nuclear weapons against… wich targets after all? What would be gained? Israel can destroy or raid but is a too tiny country to conquer and hold vast territories thousands of kilometers away. On top of this, if US was down, who could spare them the wrath of others – China for instance which depends much more than US on external oil.
If one launches a nuclear strike first, it becomes fair game for anyone. All are entitled to use whatever means to destroy the attacker. Even "preemptively" (meaning third parties who weren't directly attacked) because allowing one to get away with would mean going from nuclear weapons as ultimate deterrent to their common use – wich equals generalized destruction, loss and chaos for everyone. The establishment would be shattered, its source of power – squeezing the common people – dramatically reduced. Makes no sense imo.
I don't believe Israel or any other country, without being subject to a clear aggression, would kill millions of people and destroy entire cities only because it can.
Wolfgang9
August 29th, 2010 at 8:33 am
But, Israel made its enemies itselve. I wonder if thry ever could change the behavior and make friends with neighbors. Probably not,
W
pgs1
August 30th, 2010 at 12:07 am
In 1948 Israel's enemies launched a war of war of annihilation where all the jews of the area even the arab jews would have been killed or expelled .That's a war crime or an attempted war crime.
Israel's enemies sided with the nazis during WWII even helped Hitler with the holocaust . That's a war crime.
Israel's enemies persecute their minorities and persecuted arab and mideast jews in response to Israel .That's war crime.
Here is a good reason for Israel for now . It is that
Bathists , Khomeni followers and Al Qaedists and anyone of a similar
ideological persuasion can't be trusted to govern or protect their minorities.
Bathists , Khomeni followers and Al Qaedists and those a similar
ideological persuasion are all facist bigots.
Chris Dowd
August 30th, 2010 at 5:34 am
Another well done solid piece. Becoming a regular.