Everyone who is concerned that yet another war in the Middle East could wreck what remains of the United States economy and probably strip away even more of our liberties should be troubled by the numerous calls for war against Iran. No one believes that Iran is anything but a nation that is one small step away from becoming a complete religious dictatorship, but the country has a small economy, a tiny defense budget, and, as far as the world’s intelligence services can determine, neither nuclear weapons nor a program to develop them. Labeling the Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as a new Hitler and describing the regime as "Islamofascist" is convenient but hardly conveys the reality of the complex political interaction taking place inside today’s Iran. Ironically, the animus directed against Tehran relates not so much to what it is doing as to what its government might do, hardly an adequate pretext for going to war and a standard of behavior that many countries in the world would fail.
A resolution (HR 1553) is making its way through Congress that that would endorse an Israeli attack on Iran, which would be going to war by proxy as the US would almost immediately be drawn into the conflict when Tehran retaliates. The resolution provides explicit US backing for Israel to bomb Iran, stating that Congress supports Israel’s use of "all means necessary…including the use of military force." The resolution is non-binding, but it is dazzling in its disregard for the possible negative consequences that would ensue for the hundreds of thousands of US military and diplomatic personnel currently serving in the Near East region. Even the Pentagon opposes any Israeli action against Iran, knowing that it would mean instant retaliation against US forces in Iraq and also in Afghanistan. The resolution has appeared, not coincidentally, at the same time as major articles by leading neoconservatives Reuel Marc Gerecht and Bill Kristol calling for military action. Both Gerecht and Kristol insist that action by Israel or the US would be better than doing nothing and both downplay the ability of Iran to counter-attack effectively. One might note that both Kristol and Gerecht have been dramatically wrong in the past, most notably in their analyses of developments in Iraq.
Kristol is a poseur, a foreign policy wannabe, framing policy around his own Straussian beliefs. Gerecht, who actually does know quite a bit about Iran and its internal politics, is the more dangerous of the two as he is able to use his knowledge, which he sprinkles throughout the article, to appear credible. But as is so often the case with the neoconservatives, the thinking is based on false assumptions, optimistic assessments, and leaps of the imagination about what might occur. One might recall neocon predictions of a "cakewalk" in Iraq, a war that still embroils tens of thousands of US troops and that kills Americans nearly every day.
In his article entitled "Should Israel Bomb Iran? – Better Safe than Sorry" Gerecht begins with three paragraphs outlining what might happen if Iran is attacked, to include attacks on US troops, shock oil prices, terrorist attacks worldwide, tumult in the Muslim world, and a rush by Iran to develop a nuclear weapon to defend itself. He concludes, however, that "These fears are mostly overblown."
Why Gerecht thinks that Iranian retaliation would be minimal is not completely clear, but he spends the next seven pages explaining why an attack on Iran might be a positive step. He opines that bombing Iran "remains the only conceivable means of derailing or seriously delaying Iran’s nuclear program…" Bombing would also result in "traumatizing Tehran." And he provides a second reason for staging an attack, his argument that "Iran has already embraced terrorism against Israel and the United States" and that its regime supports the "indiscriminate killing" of Jews. He presumes that Iran is hell bent on acquiring a nuclear weapon and would use it against Israelis "who must live with the Middle East’s merciless power politics…" or give it to terrorist groups to accomplish the same end. Gerecht recommends that Israel should attack Iran to "rock the system" to make the regime "lose face" and suffer a military defeat that could have fatal consequences for its survivability. He returns to the theme, mentioning oddly that "American fear of Iranian capabilities in Iraq and Afghanistan has been exaggerated" and then excoriates "an ugly anti-Israeli reflex" on the part of many Europeans when Israel uses lethal force to defend itself.
Gerecht is doing two things. First, he is ignoring any role that Israel might have had in creating its own predicament vis-à-vis Iran and its other neighbors. Israel is, for him, always the victim and never the instigator meaning that whatever it does is always self-defense and justifiable. Second, he assumes that Iran is manifestly evil and will always choose the most despicable option for its own behavior while he simultaneously only assumes the best motives and best possible outcome for any Israeli or American military action. He ignores the fact that Iran has no nuclear weapons program and assumes that Tehran is willing to bear the enormous expense and risk to develop a nuclear device and use it on Israel or give it to a terrorist even though that would be national suicide. He reflexively judges every group in the Middle East that is opposed to Israel as a terrorist and lumps them in as enemies of Washington as well as of Israel whether or not they have actually carried out attacks against the US. If Iran reacts to being bombed, he notes that "It is entirely possible that Khamenei would use terrorism against the United States after an Israeli strike," an asymmetrical response using available resources that many might consider self-defense against an attacker but which Gerecht chooses to dismiss as terrorism. Gerecht dismisses any legitimate criticism of the actions of the state of Israel as anti-Semitic or "ugly."
The reality is that an Israeli attack on Iran will trigger an all-out war in the region, which will quickly include the United States. It might or might not eliminate Iran’s technical ability to build a nuclear weapon and it would almost certainly accelerate that process. It would not bring down the Iranian regime and usher in reformers who would embrace Israel and the United States while singing "Kumbaya" around the campfire. It would be extremely nasty, would not solve any problems in the Middle East, and would kill tens of thousands of innocent people, if not more. It could easily lead to the use of nuclear weapons by either the United States or Israel. For the neoconservatives, it is easy to dismiss the possible downside while emphasizing the upside that they perceive, which is protecting Israel by damaging Iran’s nuclear program and possibly bringing about some version of regime change. But we have seen too many times in the past how the neoconservatives can be wrong — think only of the "cakewalk" that has been Iraq now seven years on and still running. A new war in the Middle East would be an unmitigated disaster for Iran, the United States, and even for Israel. It must be avoided at all costs.
Read more by Philip Giraldi
- Don’t Forget Syria – June 12th, 2013
- National Security by the Numbers – June 5th, 2013
- John McCain: War Hero or Something Less? – May 29th, 2013
- The New World Order is Unimpeachable – May 22nd, 2013
- Boston Becomes Toxic – May 15th, 2013





Johnny in Wi.
August 5th, 2010 at 4:32 am
The axis of evil Kristol, Podhoeretz, Frum, Kagen etc. These people will never rest until the American economy is destroyed and we are in WW3. We attack Iran and gas goes to 10 dollars a gal. The Chinese, Russians and Turks may become involved. It will be a disaster year. The wheels of war keep turning. I say it the attack will before the election in November.
epppie
August 5th, 2010 at 4:54 am
The US HIgh Command wants chaos, because it seeks to dominate. To dominate, you need a world in chaos.
Neil
August 5th, 2010 at 5:59 am
To the American people.
Do not waste the hard work that was put into creation of your country and nation.
GET RID OF the israel's 5TH COLUMN in your country before it is too late. YOU HAVE COURAGE AND MOTIVE (YOUR BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY) TO DO THAT…
David G
August 5th, 2010 at 7:35 am
Americans have been indoctrinated with the idea that war is good and necessary from birth. The American economy is built around making weapons of war to sell and to use.
That America is fueling the fire regarding Iran demonstrates it has no vision, no commonsense, and no morality. It will prove to be a war too far!
gerryhiles
August 5th, 2010 at 8:57 am
Even Giraldi slips in some anti-Iran rhetoric:
" No one believes that Iran is anything but a nation that is one small step away from becoming a complete religious dictatorship"
The very kind of opinion that supports war against Iran.
B. Bodkin
August 5th, 2010 at 9:05 am
When you say "get rid" of the "fifth column", by what methods do you think this should be done?
Are you recommending violence against an entire ethnic group which you believe constitutes a "fifth column"? Or are you referring to specific individuals known for their outspoken political views? And if it's just specific individuals you have in mind, how exactly do you propose they be gotten "rid" of?
I think readers should know if you're advocating any illegal or violent actions against people who have the legal right to express their political views, or even against millions of people who belong to a particular ethnic group. Some clarification would be nice.
B. Bodkin
August 5th, 2010 at 9:34 am
One of the things that make America a "beautiful country" is its Constitution. That document protects the right of freedom of speech. If you're promoting violence against people who have exercised this precious legal right by expressing their views — even though you might find those views offensive — then you clearly have no understanding of America's beauty.
America became more beautiful when it put an end to lynch mobs. It sounds like you want a great big massive new lynch mob to gather. Isn't mob violence something that would make America LESS beautiful? When countries devolve into lynch mobs, are they celebrated as beautiful or condemned as barbaric? I guess beauty's in the eye of the beholder…
Ground_Control
August 5th, 2010 at 9:53 am
There are other ways to "get rid" of traitors, such as prison and/or deportation. It is the traitors and Megaphonies which are promoting violence, death, and destruction.
B. Bodkin
August 5th, 2010 at 9:55 am
Should it be forbidden to criticize Iran? Is Iran a sacred cow? Should the truth about Iran not be told, just because it might get some folks riled up?
Are you afraid of people knowing about Iran's sponsoring of murderous terrorist activity, or stoning of women, or executions of gays, or stealing of elections, or torturing and raping and murdering of students and journalists and young girls, or helping the Taliban blow up American soldiers? Should information about Iran's backwardness and criminality be suppressed? If so, should that policy extend to ALL countries? Or are there some countries you wouldn't mind seeing portrayed in a bad light, consequences be damned? Just wondering…
B. Bodkin
August 5th, 2010 at 10:09 am
If it's an American-born "traitor", to where is he or she deported? And how do you suggest it be determined what constitutes treason — by the arbitrary opinions of random people, or by a codified legal standard?
It's a slippery slope when disgruntled people start targeting their fellow citizens who happen to express views they deem to be unpopular or offensive, and brand them as "traitors" and make them subject to harsh punishments. Some might even consider THAT course of action to be "treasonous". Who gets to decide?
When I hear talk like this, words like "lynch mob" and "witch-hunt" come to mind. It's no longer a civilized society when you go around defaming and destroying people for their opinions, especially if it's largely because those people are simply more adept at winning public approbation for their views than you are for yours.
Montaigne
August 5th, 2010 at 10:18 am
Yes, it is very depressing, that even with the active help from the US to keep the Shah in power for many years, it turns out that the Iranian people did not get reformed, but turned out worse.
And now you are in fact suggesting more of the same medicine? Sounds like a mad doctor to me! What about debate, dialoggue, reason? The cure from raw power does NOT work. Only in the minds of the delusioned.
B. Bodkin
August 5th, 2010 at 10:51 am
"And now you are in fact suggesting more of the same medicine? Sounds like a mad doctor to me!"
I never suggested anything of the kind, I was just asking questions. You're not one to be diagnosing "the minds of the delusioned" when you appear to have delusions of your own.
Of course "debate, dialogue and reason" are very useful. Rational debate requires rational actors, however. And would all parties be negotiating in good faith? Do any of the relevant parties espouse a triumphalist, totalitarian, thuggish, oppressive, fanatical cause? Do they engage in defamatory and bellicose rhetoric in conjunction with terrorist activities, or anything else that suggests an implacable hostility and ruthlessness? Such things complicate matters a little.
Fred
August 5th, 2010 at 11:21 am
Should it be forbidden to criticize Israel? Is Israel a sacred cow? Should the truth about Israel not be told, just because it might get some folks riled up?
Are you afraid of people knowing about Israel's sponsoring of murderous terrorist activity, or or , or stealing of elections, or torturing and murdering of students and journalists and young girls, or helping the Mosat blow up American soldiers?(USS Liberty) Should information about Israel's backwardness and criminality be suppressed? If so, should that policy extend to ALL countries? Or are there some countries you wouldn't mind seeing portrayed in a bad light, consequences be damned? Just wondering…
geo1671
August 5th, 2010 at 11:46 am
'violence against an entire ethnic group'- Mister Boobkin: JUDISM IS NOT ETHINIC .
How many times does it have to be drilled into Bodkin type's thick skulls?
Again : Today's Judism (ZIONIST/Jews) is mostly composed of a very dangerous eastern European religious fanantic cult. Just as was Germany prior to WWII,Same folks who made a deal with ally USA(upto 1940) to send polish Jews into Palestine (by 1940), 600,000 not enough to please USA /UK
What is needed– mandatory more native indian Americans Fed elected and in courts.
CURE- Two Term limits max, for all fed politicians. In no time, the ehtnic problem would be solved.
Ever wondered why most USA presidents are surrounded by hard core zionists ?
USA has a problem–A dangerous cult pulling our strings and robbing us.
Ever considered doing something about it?
Stop with the BS ehtnic garbage-please and thank you.
MoT
August 5th, 2010 at 5:11 am
You're right but as we've seen in the past when people express their "opinions" about a certain folk in a certain country you find that expressing those thoughts are "verboten"… just like here and in other comments it doesn't take long for the long knives to come out.
MoT
August 5th, 2010 at 5:19 am
Rational actors? Oh, how I wish it were so. You can't argue that a nation that bombs innocents from thousands of miles away is acting rationally only efficiently. The US is a warmongering nation and has been continuously from its inception. All that pablum about "democracy" is a phony sheepskin to hide a ravenous wolf.
MoT
August 5th, 2010 at 5:23 am
The insanity continues. Will it be a play in two acts or a possible third with a nasty twist? All I know is the tickets were sold to me cheap, the concessions are killing me, and they won't let me out of a burning theater.
B. Bodkin
August 5th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
I was mainly just asking questions. I never mentioned any ethnic group by name. It appears you had one in mind (even though millions of CHRISTIAN Zionists influence the government as well, along with all sorts of other lobbyists).
Thanks for expressing your bigotry and ignorance. You completely discredited yourself with your laughable rant, and all I had to do was ask a few questions.
But… you have every right to continue spewing your nonsense, and I for one would never suggest that you and your ilk be "gotten rid of", just because I think you're consumed by envy, hatred, paranoia, pig-ignorance and rank stupidity.
Guest
August 5th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
In a beautiful garden weed control is a constant problem.
liveload
August 5th, 2010 at 5:42 am
The zionists won't be satisfied until they've bankrupted this country and sold it to the Chinese, after murdering millions of course. People like Bodkin who think that somehow they have a moral position to dictate from, are fooling themselves. They just cannot come to grips with the fact that the kind of people and policies they support with frothing mouths and wide eyes are the ones who have been causing the problems in the first place…for over 100 years now. It's the same shit over and over and over, yet feckless morons like Bodkin still sit there and bleat like the proper sheep they are. They want war, they want the killing and slaughter, they want to steal what isn't theirs. You ignorant, servile scum. It's people like you that will ENSURE there is yet another genocide perpetrated on this earth. Just go on and make your war with Iran, see what comes of it. Go ahead, because obviously history is unable to penetrate such a thick skull. The only thing that will ablate that dense armor is the absolute and total collapse of the American Empire and it's ability to make war. Hawaii, Cuba, Iran, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan…and many many more.
B. Bodkin
August 5th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
I'm sure you think you're very clever, but your sophomoric silliness was predictable. I knew somebody was going to turn my post on its head, as if I was implying that Israel should receive the same head-in-sand treatment the first poster advocates for Iran.
OF COURSE it shouldn't be "forbidden" to criticize Israel! Please do so till you're blue in the face, absolutely. Israel is NOT a sacred cow. No country is.
But your approach doesn't actually answer my questions. All it does is deflect and derail the conversation away from a focus on Iran, when Israel wasn't even under discussion. This is the traditional method Israel bashers employ when they don't have a leg to stand on: drag Israel into the conversation and bash it, thereby ignoring the initial topic in the hope it goes away.
In your cowardly quest to change the subject to Israel, you never bothered to confirm that you do in fact agree with me that the original poster was wrong to suggest that Iran must not be criticized. Instead of hiding behind my post, perhaps you'll grow a pair and write something of your own.
B. Bodkin
August 5th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Ah yes, racial supremacists have been saying such things for a long, long time. Funny how they always turn out to be the ugly ones.
Rasputin
August 5th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
Attacking any country causes the people to support their government, not the other way around!
It's different when the government itself does the attacking and fails, like Argentina and the Malvinas/Falkland Islands. But when the government is attacked, the people feel outrage at the attacker, and a sense of sympathy and togetherness with themselves and the government.
musings
August 5th, 2010 at 6:21 am
If we attack Iran because it retaliates against Israel for attacking it – we will be far down a road of self-destruction as a country. Of course our troops will be slaughtered if Iran can get to them first. That is a given.
To give Israel the "blank cheque" would be to put our own troops in harm's way, which is a strange sort of gratitude for their service.
At home, you would expect some paradoxical responses to all of this. Some of course would conflate the Iranians with "the terr'ists" of the fanatical Muslim stripe. They'd believe the Iranians would deserve any punishment coming to them for attacking our troops. Others would remember the more remote causes, and blame Israel. Many would blame all the Jews in the world as easily as all Muslims have been blamed.
We would see greater polarization on our own society and greater justification for outbreaks of violence against groups of people usually wrongly believed to be the source of state-sponsored aggression (those states being Israel and the US).
Other nations in the region might well side with Iran. Nations who get oil from Iran might also side with it.
The single-minded obsession of a few, who are hooked on the idea of attacks on Iran, would result in the deaths not just of thousands of Iranians, but perhaps millions in a world war.
And some overseas Iranians, refugees from the fall of the Shah, both the elites and those whose religious freedom was protected under the Shah, would now perhaps see a dream come true of bringing down the Iranian regime but also see it turn into a nightmare as their homeland is plunged into war and perhaps led into even more cruel dictatorship.
It seems that Ahmadinejad dodged an assassination attempt the other day, in some province. Let internal politics solve whatever it must in Iran, and let us not touch the place.
musings
August 5th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
I'm afraid that "I have fallen into the sere and yellow leaf" and that indeed the torch has been passed to the post-9/11 generation, brought up to war, brought up to self-justification, and with a "chip" implanted on its shoulder by the powers that be. The notion that we are some tiny nation under attack from its neighbors was nurtured in them from their teens, and now they accept much which my generation protested.
Guest
August 5th, 2010 at 6:26 am
Just someone whose loyalty is the United States of America, and not that "shitty little country" in the ME.
Farmer Giles
August 5th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
Have you guys noticed the latest hooplah in the news about Iran? The Iranian woman sentenced to stoning for adultery? Why do I get the feeling that this is all part of a ploy to gin up liberal anger against Iran, that we might wage holy war sometime in the near future? It's much like the way Saddam Hussein's depredations were constantly in the news and media for the decade before the Iraq war. I'm sure all these Iranian atrocities were going on during that period, only no one was placing the spot light on them to gin up fervor for an invasion–they were working on Iraq at that time!
Dick
August 5th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
What constitution?
jjjihad
August 5th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
I do not understand the purpose of making an intelligent and reasonable response to Kristol et al. They do not try to appeal to reason. There's is a naked racist/xenophobic demogoguery. It is the very essence of Zionism. These racist visceral arguments use reason as window dressing and formal legitimacy, and then only as an afterthought.
Responding to the assertion that Iran is a nuclear threat gives the assertion a credibility it does not deserve. Better to just state the obvious: The notion that Iran is any kind of actual or potential threat of any sort to the US or its interests is too stupid to merit discussion.
The Kristols and Kagans and Cohens and rest play what they know is a very dangerous game.
They got away with it in Iraq, but there will be no escaping the consequences with Iran. A skillful manipulator–think Mitt Romney–can redirect mass racist and xenophobic hatred in the bat of an eye. "We have always been at war with Eastasia." When the vampires' Iran project explodes in domestic chaos and ruin, we shall witness the American holocaust.
Solomon
August 5th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Exactly. As an Israeli, I am shocked that American people who we love like to blame Jews like Wolfowitz and Perle for their whiny little problems. It's their government, they elected them. Americans need to realize that a complete genocide of Palestinians and Iranians is what they truly need.
musings
August 5th, 2010 at 8:01 am
I was recently at a dinner where I heard from an American Jew, brought up in DC, who got absolutely livid over Jimmy Carter, calling him a dyed in the wool antisemite. I think it is because he has used words like "apartheid" about Israel and that he opposes building new settlements in the West Bank. Something like that.
My husband, a child of Jewish WWII survivors, who never had the luxury of being in the sort of American power base that could give Israel blank checks, is a contributor of the Carter Center. We have both seen Carter as a voice for reason and a force for repair in the world. Are we wrong while this political dilettante woman is right? Can people like Carter be sent into the political wilderness by their opposition to some of the things Israel wants?
It may be that in his eighties, Carter has shown his true colors and that there is some kind of evil Klansman inside. Or that his Habitat for Humanity is not about knocking down peoples' homes and he is just being consistent. Am I to side with neocons and their Likudnik friends? Or am I to stick with what I have seen for years from a person who always seemed to be telling it like it is? (Energy-wise too).
musings
August 5th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
Where is a resolution which states that if Israel bombs Iran, they are on their own and can expect no aid from the US? Who would sponsor such an "American Independence Resolution"? Who will bell the cat?
David
August 5th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Yep
Bob
August 5th, 2010 at 8:17 am
I tend to agree that an attack on Iran could lead to WW III. The Russians, Chinese and Turks are fed up with the US crap. I am sure there is no love lost for the Israelis either. I say sucker the Jews into an attack and then stand back and watch.
David
August 5th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
I agree. As an Israeli, I am absolutely shocked that the American people who I am very grateful for their tax dollars and killing of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, would blame Jews like Perle and Wolfowitz for their whiny and irrelevant problems. I could care less about your unemployment and economic troubles and we have those problems as well here in Israel. When will you Americans learn that the complete annihilation of the Iranian and Palestinian peoples is in your best interest?
E. A. Costa
August 5th, 2010 at 8:35 am
An excellent summary, Signor Giraldi, though within conventional boundaries. In fact the Iranians seem to have determined that nuclear weapons are not worth the cost of development and are not necessary to Iran's self-defense.
This is a singularly penetrating insight that cuts to the heart of contemporary Realpolitik and to the heart of Israeli and US weakness as well.
Nuclear weapons are only good for threats. Once used it is Doomsday one way or another however the Tellers redivivi among the Neo-Cons and the military wish to view it.
Iran is not Iraq.
A careful analysis of what a full-scale Iranian response, no holds barred, to an Israeli or US attack on Iran leads to the conclusion that, though the damage to Iran would be horrendous, it would also spell the end of both Israel and the US in short order, if not immediately.
humanist
August 5th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
We are all born with seriously defective brains. For majority of people, the perceptions of non-physical subjects are seriously flawed
Take the case of Emanuel Velikovsky. When he was a child, he was deeply indoctrinated in synagogues believing the Old Testament stories are indisputably factual. As an adult when in university he was exposed to scientific ideas, disturbing mental conflicts made him to come up with crazy ideas such as ‘The parting of Red Sea, in Moses time was due to passing of a comet’. He also tried to explain other biblical stories with farcical ‘scientific’ theories. (In 70s, his books were best sellers for many years).
Grechet, Kristol or other neocons are like Velikovsky, their inhumane, nationalistic and primitive perceptions stops them from realizing:
“In this age of triumph of science an rationality there is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR WARS to resolve disputes unless one side is crazy”
Montaigne
August 5th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
You don't seem to get it! The first time around you ended up by the creation of this more closed and violent regime. So you want to try it again? Did it occur to you, that by lessening strains your might aid the more sane and peaceful people in the country, which is MUCH more developed than most middle eastern countries. To me you are looking for another Lebanon. A non-state.
Jeremiah
August 5th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
The regime in Tehran is by no means savory—there's no need to foolishly sugar-coat that fact and so damage our own claims to objectivity and reason—but, whether the Iranian government is unsavory or not, NO credible evidence has been adduced to prove that it is a threat to the United States; and, this being the case, there's absolutely NO justification for war with it or for the mass destruction of innocents such a war would entail. As John Quincy Adams put it during his tenure as Secretary of State, the US shouldn't go "abroad, in search of monsters to destroy." Indeed, the only monster that ought to concern us at the moment is that many-headed beast, growing larger and stronger by the day, which has its den in DC.
vma
August 5th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
bodkin,who told you that iran is doing all these things
the mossad maybe?
Seeker
August 5th, 2010 at 10:37 am
"I was recently at a dinner where I heard from an American Jew, brought up in DC, who got absolutely livid over Jimmy Carter, calling him a dyed in the wool antisemite. "
ALWAYS go with the truth and think for yourself. Though I have not done so perfectly, I have always tried to, even when it forced me to hold positions against people I love and hold dear.
Seeker
August 5th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
B. Bodkin: And don't you know about United States sponsored terrorists now operating in Iran who target civilians?
Seeker
August 5th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
And the regimes in Beijing and Riyadh are both outright s_itty, but I still haven't heard Kristol, Frum or Krauthammer demanding we bomb The Forbidden City or chop-chop square.
Seeker
August 5th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
Being second class and posessing the ability to be sold and treated as chattel as what being a goy is all about.
(Sarcasm off)
DavidSpero
August 5th, 2010 at 10:45 am
Hi BB,
I'm afraid that, if you wish to avoid lynch mobs or other (very American) reactions to what Zionism is doing to the US (and the world), you'd best get busy trying to stop the war with Iran, prevent renewed assaults on Lebanon and Gaza, and end the occupation of the West Bank, for starters. It's laughable that you characterize Zionists as "more adept at winning public approbation." It's not hard to do that when you control 80% of the media. Stop Israel's crimes against humanity, and most (not all) of the anti-Jewish talk would stop, too.
DavidSpero
August 5th, 2010 at 6:10 pm
BB,
You should be ashamed to mention "sponsoring of murderous terrorist activity," when your own countries (US and Israel) sponsor and carry out more terror than the rest of the world put together, including much terror against Iran. Ditto "helping Taliban blow up American soldiers" when those soldiers are busy blowing up Afghans, Pakistanis and Iraqis on a daily basis. I'm not sure what specific cases "torturing, raping and murdering of students and journalists and young girls" refers to, but it's certainly not a general thing.
There have been executions of gays and of women accused of adultery, and there have been other backward and evil things done by Iranian authorities. But a war for regime change will not make any of that better, any more than it has in Iraq. War will only kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people. It seems strange to hear advocates of mass murder like you trying to stake out the moral high ground, but perhaps that has always been the way.
humanist
August 5th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Part 1 of 3
I imagine in case US is tricked to start a war with Iran, in days the military installations of Iran are annihilated. (And like Iraq, in weeks the whole Iranian infrastructure can get obliterated).
Then after another ‘Mission Accomplished’ ceremony the new phase of the war might gradually take shape.
I think 8 years of war with Iraq must have taught valuable unforgettable lessons to Iranians. They passed some of their experiences to Hezbollah who then effectively drove the Israelis out of Lebanon.
I believe since 2003 Iranians have been stopping Iraqi Shia’s from fighting with Americans, if US starts a war with Iran then Iraqi Shia (together with Iranians) will start a serious fight. I am sure Pentagon has used this fact in its simulations and knows enough about such a detrimental parameter.
humanist
August 5th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Part 2
Also, I theorize, Iranians have studied the reasons why in Afghanistan, Mojahedeen (a small force) defeated Soviets (a super power). Stinger anti-aircraft missiles played a decisive role there.
Apparently now Iran manufactures armaments like Stinger, powerful anti-tank, new types of IEDs and so on. Handing them to Iraqi Shia and Taliban could beget disastrous results for Americans.
I also believe the ugly, brutish, unnecessary and unjustifiable aggressive war with Iran further weakens US morally and economically maybe in unprecedented and unpredictable ways. Unlike Iraq the only fault of Iran is that it is enriching uranium under the supervision of IAEA, which is no fault at all. Thus in case of war Obama’s name (and the name of many others) will be added to the list of War Criminals.
humanist
August 5th, 2010 at 6:57 pm
Part 3
For Israel, the blow could be fatal. US public could wake up, not only end supporting that apartheid state but cause its total collapse.
B. Bodkin
August 5th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
"advocates of mass murder like you"
Does anyone read carefully on this site? When did I advocate mass murder? Does asking oppositional questions or pointing out unpleasant facts about Iran automatically mean I'm an "advocate of mass murder"? You and others here leap to defamatory conclusions with a rapidity that's quite revealing…
DavidSpero
August 5th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
BB,
The context of what you're saying is criticism of those who are trying to stop war with Iran, by putting Iran in a negative light. Why else are you doing this if not to justify threats of war against them?
B. Bodkin
August 5th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
In your paranoid salivating rant, one can see Giraldi's objective realized with resounding success. He and his colleagues keep the bigots simmering, ready to boil over at the slightest provocation (such as my posts provide). Talk about a "thick skull". You don't realize what a puppet you've been turned into. They can pull your strings any time they choose, and leave you shorn of your senses. Giraldi needn't mention the majority of Americans who support Israel's cause; all he has to do is mention Bill Kristol and what follows is sadly predictable.
The funny thing is, I too believe that Giraldi is probably correct: A strike on Iran would likely be disastrous in terms of blood and treasure (even though I think the Mullahs are evil to the core), and I absolutely DON'T want to see mass casualties anywhere in the region. But all I had to do was play "devil's advocate" to the folks around here, and it was taken for granted that I'm the devil incarnate.
There can be no discussions free from rancor and bile these days. It's just the same old verbal brutality every time. Thanks for playing your pre-scripted role impeccably.
B. Bodkin
August 5th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
"we shall witness the American holocaust"
Finally, someone truly gets to the heart of it. This is the number one objective on the agenda, and the raison d'etre for the columnists who relentlessly bash certain pro-Israel voices in the media, and keep pinning the blame for any American misfortune on the usual suspects.
Be careful what you wish for, though…
liveload
August 5th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
You want discussion? Discuss Hawaii, Cuba, the Phillipines, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Chile, Iran, Panama, Iraq, and Afghanistan just to start. Then lets move on to the USS Liberty. Tell me why LBJ would TWICE directly order American fighter's back to their carrier thus preventing them from assisting the USS Liberty under attack by Israeli forces? Go ahead, play your devil's advocate. I'm waiting.
Hacklheber
August 5th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
I'm not so sure. Maybe a look through WaPo editorials would turn something up.
Hacklheber
August 5th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
Holy cow. Haven't seen Velikovsky's name mentioned in years. Yeah, that was some crazy mofo, making up stuff to fit fairytales to reality.
GradyWilson
August 5th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
Ya I caught that too gerryhiles. Maybe the good Mr. Giraldi could have said: " No one believes that Iran is anything but a nation that is one small step away from becoming a complete religious dictatorship similar to Saudi Arabia and Egypt (huge recipients of US taxpayer cash) and like some on the right in the US would like to make America." The dictatorial theocrat Bush was re-elected for chrissake. Look for worse in the future as white chistian America becomes poorer and poorer and directs its anger (with the help of the free market media) towards the poor and minorities. In fact you can read quite a bit of this far right propaganda on this site and Lew Rockwell.
Which brings me back to Mr. Giraldi. Mr. Giraldi, like many on the alleged 'anti-war' right refuses to finger the perpetrators and financial beneficiaries of US military aggression – banks, Wall Street, and capitalism itself. Instead Giraldi seems to think that the big bad US is controlled by Tel Aviv.
David
August 5th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
I agree
Phil Giraldi
August 5th, 2010 at 8:49 pm
Grady – Thanks for the backhand. I write about foreign policy and security issues because I have spent my whole life working in those areas. I know nothing about banks, Wall Street, and capitalism. If you want to blame everything on the financial system that's up to you, but it would be better to lay that number on someone who really understands how it all works. For what it's worth, I have problems with police states like Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the burgeoning security state here at home, as anyone who has read me would know, but this article was about Iran. BTW how does Saudi Arabia receive taxpayer cash?
Don
August 5th, 2010 at 9:04 pm
Beware a well-timed false flag operation on US soil to serve as a casus belli to start the disaster.
David
August 5th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Exactly. I am very shocked as an Israeli, that the American people blame Jews like Wolfowitz and Perle for their whiny problems. When will the Americans realize that a complete annihilation of the Palestinian and Iranian people is the path to peace in the Middle East?
GradyWilson
August 5th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Saudi Arabia receives US taxpayer cash by not having to spend on a military. Saudi Arabia even though they sit on great wealth does not have to worry about spending on security because of the very obvious reality that SA is defended by the United States of America and the implication of nuclear holocaust. This security has a very real economic value.
But how can you plead ignorant to the obvious roll that banks and Wall Street have had on US foreign policy of military aggression and imperialism? You have heard of Smedly Butler right? You have seen the Generals retire and then go work for the corporations right?
As you said your article is about Iran. My view is that Iran obviously has the right to a nuclear program – the exact same right that the US and Israel has.
ps- thanks for being part of the VIPS and speaking out. At your level that takes a lot of guts.
GradyWilson
August 5th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
Saudi Arabia receives US taxpayer cash by not having to spend on a military. Saudi Arabia even though they sit on great wealth does not have to worry about security because of the very obvious reality that SA is defended by the United States of America. and its psychotic This security has a very real economic value.
How can a man of your stature plead ignorant to the obvious roll that banks and Wall Street have had on US foreign policy of military aggression and imperialism? You have heard of Smedely But;er right?
serving 2 masters
August 5th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
It seems to me that anyone with a dual-citizenship can be unloaded on their other country of loyalty. Don't see why anyone would object to that.
Watson
August 5th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
But his "Big Bang' Theory is now universally accepted after decades of the scientific community humiliating him.
Fred
August 5th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
IRAN'S Wars ? !. in self-defense in the last 100 Y.
ISRAEL'S " ? ………
IRAN'S Crime? to develop Nuclear Power!
ISRAEL'S " ? ……………..
silas1898
August 5th, 2010 at 11:31 pm
"Do any of the relevant parties espouse a triumphalist, totalitarian, thuggish, oppressive, fanatical cause?"
Sounds like the US
Fred
August 5th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
The focus should be on Israel!
The Middle East problem is Israel and the USA support in action against Iran!
E. A. Costa
August 5th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
"oppositional questions"–ESL?
Fred
August 6th, 2010 at 1:30 am
Banks,Wall Street (capitalism) and Media is controlled by J.E.W.S.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
J.E.W.S. = T E L A V I V !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
David G
August 5th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
Let's face it, America is a warmongering nation. It lives for war, its industries are heavily involved in making the tools of war, it glorifies war, and tells the suckers…sorry, American citizens that die in its wars that they are heroes.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
mother of necessity
August 5th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
do you know if doc aumann has gamed out the reactions of deathwish christians to a big war in the middle east?
aumann, being something of a religious fanatic himself despite his "center for rationality", is "despaired" —he is quoted as saying— about israel's chance of survival …and you have to wonder if maybe he's thinking about christian fanatics as he's despairing…. seeing as how those christian fanatics might decide they're instruments of god's will and god needs a little hand in exterminating and/or converting jews in the deathwish christian end times.
eve
August 6th, 2010 at 7:58 am
Zionists are warmongers. They hide behind religion. Their religious views are perverted/fanatical and no longer resemble the original texts of religious tolerance.
They use religions and victim-hood as a shield from criticism.
"Dual citizens" should be forbidden … forbidden to hold office in any level of the US Government.
They should be forbidden from holding office in your local town hall.
It is a clear and dangerous conflict of interest. The toleration of "dual citizens" in our government is unfair and dangerous to the citizens of this country.
"Dual citizens" have a place to go if/when things go bad in the US while the US citizens has nowhere to turn. Yet, we allow these "dual citizens" a voice in what happens to the citizens of the US, and quite often they create bills which are detrimental to US citizens liberties.
This is bordering on insane.
As for B Bodkin… playing the intellectual "devil's advocate" is fine in the current state of the US economy, but if/when a war with Iran (started by Israel) ever occurs, no amount of arrogant, lofty, debate will cool the searing flame which will burn in the hearts of Americans as the economic hardship grows and death tolls increase.
They will start looking for reasons/answers as the "why" and "who" was responsible.
Americans are starting to put 2 + 2 together and it clearly equals 4.
1todd_sheen
August 6th, 2010 at 10:00 am
A cake walk but not a piece of cake.
Todd
Augustus
August 6th, 2010 at 10:52 am
You seem to be suggesting, if not outright announcing, that America will soon round up a certain group of people and slaughter them. You have no scruples when it comes to blaming an entire group of your fellow citizens for the decisions and actions of a foreign government. You have no problem ignoring a world of complex geopolitical and economic forces, in favor of narrowly targeting a domestic community you've already hated and blamed for years and holding them accountable for any future hardships. "Guilty until proven guilty", as Netanyahu said.
People full of raging hatred simplify a complicated world to the point of cartoonish simplicity, convincing themselves that their wicked plans are righteous. You're the classic scapegoating bigot, but America's a big place and you don't speak for everyone. You're projecting your own bigotry on to your fellow citizens, but there are millions of decent people who don't share your vindictive, violent, hateful nature.
victor
August 6th, 2010 at 11:29 am
We are being lied into another war for Israel. There is no end to this. The U.S. Congress is "Knesset West."
eve
August 6th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
You seem to be suggesting, if not outright announcing, that America will soon round up a certain group of people and slaughter them.
Answer: I said nothing of the sort, that's your interpretation and most likely in order to illicit a response…well you got it.
You're the one projecting a "Nazi Germany" scenario, I said nothing about "rounding up" or "slaughter."
Way to go off the deep end!
I merely place the blame on people who follow a fanatical religious view of the world.
You have no scruples when it comes to blaming an entire group of your fellow citizens for the decisions and actions of a foreign government.
Answer: I blame those who scream for war the loudest and most frequent. If it's in the best interests of the American people to go to war, then so be it.
However, "Israel's security" should be of no concern to any American. Even George Washington warned against "entangling alliances." He would know better than you or I about the perils of such things.
People full of raging hatred simplify a complicated world to the point of cartoonish simplicity, convincing themselves that their wicked plans are righteous.
A: Yes, it's true … look at Israeli aggression in the region. Lebanon, the recent incident involving a boat in "International waters." It's true.
You're the classic scapegoating bigot, but America's a big place and you don't speak for everyone.
Answer: I never claimed I spoke for everyone … you did.
I'll refrain from calling you names.
Also, merely pointing out a group of individuals constantly screaming for the US to attack a certain "ally's" enemy isn't being a bigot. It's actually a correct observation.
Just because I would point out a worm eating an apple doesn't mean I hate worms. I may have wanted the apple though.
You're projecting your own bigotry on to your fellow citizens, but there are millions of decent people who don't share your vindictive, violent, hateful nature.
Answer: Actually, it's more of an concern of what may very well happen, not a "wishing it were so." Once a people experience extreme economic hardships whether you like it or not, they will find a reason for the cause.
I do however stand by my comments of not allowing dual-citizens into any representative office. I believe it is in the best interests of the American people and any and EVERY other country in the world! In fact, when do we get to have our dual citizens in other countries governments? When? Oh wait, they don't allow it.
That being said, if you're ever in a courtroom and need an attorney, how about letting the opposing side have their attorney represent you as well?
Fair?
Sound like a good idea?
Why not request the attorney represent both you and the opposing side? Oh wait, it's not permissible in a court of law for that to occur is it? The same should hold true in representation of a country's citizens. 100% American OK. Dual citizen (from any country) no.
"Guilty until proven guilty", as Netanyahu said.
Answer: He said it not me and for the record I'm not a fan.
eve
August 6th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
Philip, thank you again for another article worth reading! When so many other articles out there are shameless propaganda, yours are always succinct and informative.
I always enjoy reading your work.
Good luck
August 6th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
US foreign policy is being run by the Pentagon. So the Congress, the Royal order of the Moose(or is it Elk) or the Israel Emergency thing makes no difference.
humanist
August 6th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
Velikovsky originated Bing Bang theory?
That is like saying Pat Robertson discovered E=mC2 !
Find out what Carl Sagan thought about E.V.
mother of necessity
August 6th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
religious fanatics and racial supremacists have computers and nukes…
then what?
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6705#comment-69114…
wadosy
August 6th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
homeless
incidents and accidents …hints and allegations … I don't find this stuff amusing anymore
mothers = wadosy, but you can call me al
wadosy
August 6th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
being homeless isnt that bad if there was just someplace to sit down and someplace to put your stuff, assuming you still have stuff.
then there's always food…
america's a bad place to be homeless
wadosy
August 6th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
finally, you have to hope that paul simon was thinking about palestinians being bulldozed out of their homes as he was singing "homeless".
mother of invention
August 6th, 2010 at 8:40 pm
the problem seems to be: "third world" people deal with homelessness better than we will be able to.
apparently, god damn their eyes, they still have a tentative grasp on their humanity… despite the best efforts of the juggernaught.
Corkey
August 8th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
In my book, both Kristol and Gerecht are unregistered foreign agents for a foreign government at best and TRAITORS at the worst. I think they should both be deported in the interest of national security.
Shootist66
August 8th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
Did I miss something, here? I thought the main point of Eve's post was to sensibly recommend disallowing persons of dual citizenship to hold public office or to be involved in the shaping of US foreign policy to any degree whatsoever. A point obviously lost in your melodramatic off-subject 'rebuttal.'
Augustus
August 9th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
"Israel's security should be of no concern to any American"
Actually, the security of the Middle East in general should be a concern to ALL Americans, for obvious reasons. Keeping the peace there is vital in order to prevent a catastrophic world war, or the crippling economic consequences of interruptions to oil production and flow. An America that projects an ironclad alliance with its allies, including Israel, is an America that can deter the fundamentalist aggression that could lead to such disaster. An America that feeds an ally to zany terrorists is an America made more vulnerable by an inevitable Middle Eastern war, with all that entails.
(Also, some folks simply find it troubling that millions of people in Israel are targeted for incineration, along with ancient artifacts sacred to billions. But I suppose these would the "traitors" that all the warm hearts around here get so riled up about.)
"Actually, it's more of an concern of what may very well happen, not a "wishing it were so."
Yeah, right! Saving that one for the American sequel to the Nuremberg trials, huh?
Augustus
August 9th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
Yes, you DID "miss something here". Namely, this bit:
"if/when a war with Iran (started by Israel) ever occurs, no amount of arrogant, lofty, debate will cool the searing flame which will burn in the hearts of Americans as the economic hardship grows and death tolls increase. They will start looking for reasons/answers as the "why" and "who" was responsible"
That could easily be interpreted as a call to arms against an oft-baited community of people, not a handful of influential individuals. My interpretation was reinforced by eve's very own response: "it's more of an concern of what may very well happen, not a "wishing it were so." Clearly, she confirmed that she was alluding to pogrom-type violence, although she won't admit to WANTING it to happen, merely to PREDICTING that it will. Perhaps there's a bridge she'd like to sell me, too…
Augustus
August 9th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
NATO is an "entangling alliance". Do you think NATO has been useless and worthless from the outset?
Was the "entangling alliance" that led to America sacrificing multitudes of soldiers in WW2 to save Europe equally pointless in your view?
Are you not grateful for French sacrifice in the birth of America? Or do you think there was no value in the "entangling alliance" France had with the young USA?
Why is the famous line about "entangling alliances" heard only in reference to Israel?
Can't imagine why…
Jeff_34781
August 11th, 2010 at 12:12 am
I agree with the general theme of most of the article. Attacking Iran would be completely unjustified and almost assuredly would lead to a much larger conflict, including the use of nuclear weapons. What I disagree with is that the arguments are wrapped so tightly in conventional thinking. The author seems to imply that the neocons/Israel are dangerous because they are wrong (or deluded) about the nuclear ambitions of Iran, that they were wrong in their predictions of the war in Iraq, and that they are wrong in thinking that they can attack Iran without serious repercussions. Being wrong is not the problem. The neocons/Israel know that these things are lies and only use them to justify their real intentions, global domination of precious resources and wealth. A more interesting article would have exposed the truth of American/Israeli/British imperialism and aggression of the last 50 or so years, up to the false flag of 9/11 and the brutal invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Being wrong is not the issue, being psycopathic criminals is.
Jeff_34781
August 11th, 2010 at 12:28 am
As for the nuclear ambitions of Iran, and the statement that an attack on them might lead to a rush to develope a nuclear weapon to defend themselves, I think that the author is again misguided by conventional thinking. I can assure you that Iran is not going to wait for an attack to develope anything. If they possess nuclear weapons, and I would not blame them if they did, they have most likely been purchased (not developed) well before now. And again, who could blame them.
Jeff Ray
August 11th, 2010 at 6:12 am
Iran could have bought a nuke (or two) from the black market at any time. It is not only hypocritical, but insane to start another war over nothing.
boo-hoo
August 11th, 2010 at 6:28 am
War only amplifies the X-factors… Neo-cons say Israel will be safer with an attack on Iran? It seems entirely reasonable that Israel would face a much greater threat from ALL sides, and its existence would become more, not less threatened, by an attack on Iran. Possible outcomes include…
Collapse of Abbas' government, with complete takeover of Palestinian government by Hamas.
Collapse of Mubarak regime, with Baradei/Muslim Brotherhood taking over and opening Gaza border.
Collapse of all diplomatic relations between Turkey and Israel.
Collapse of Lebanese government with more power to Hezbollah.
Increase in Syrian power, to fill vacuum.
Pressure on Hashemite regime to countenance Islamic fundamentalists in Jordan.
Finally… collapse of US economy in the face of rising oil prices and other commodities prices, not to mention collapse of Treasuries markets…
1. US bond auctions cannot sell bond, indicating a run on Treasuries.
2. Gold scam finally is revealed as rush for gold drives prices into the 2000.00/oz range, and demand for physical delivery unmasks the massive paper gold overhang that presently lurks on the shadows.
3. Oil price spike ruins what is left of the US recovery, forcing a massive deflationary pressure on the economy as people default on loans due to commodities price increases. The Fed will have difficulty providing liquidity as its relationship with the Treasury will not allow any more increase in borrowing, due to reason no~1…
If the US cannot support Israel economically, then Israel will face great challenges in domestic security, surrounded by enemies on all sides. Politically, AIPAC will lose support in the US as anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism in the general population increases due to clear correlation between Iran attack and hardships at home.
Smart move for Israel, bombing Iran… if a national suicide rids the earth of the biggest threat to world security known to man.
Franklin
August 11th, 2010 at 11:18 am
The Administration says "Let them eat Cakewalk!" , which is exactly what we are doing now in Afghanistan and Iraq. Diminishing the effort required for a daunting task is a prerequisite for getting a coalition of the willing to pull on boots and wade into the frosting.
Franklin
August 11th, 2010 at 11:58 am
Ironically Goliath is now Israel, and Iran is David, who has limited weaponry but a very small target area. For the little guy to win big, he just has to have a steady aim, not a huge blow, but quick, short, stinging strike at his tiny target.
Is it possible that modern Isael has not heard this tale of stunning victory against a giant adversary?
GeoffreyTransom
August 11th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
Racial supremacists? You mean like folks who subscribe to an ideology that says that of all the people on the planet, and invisible Sky Wizard chose THEM to be the sole race to receive his blessings? Yes, they are capable of much ugliness (ask an Amalekite… ooops, can't).
D'you mean folks whose foundation myth revels in slaughter and theft based on this exceptionalism? Ugly, ugly, ugly.
Those types of folks? Folks whose conception of property ownership is that if you lose your land (which you stole based on a grant by a burning shrub), unrelated converts can claim it back 1900 years later? THOSE type of 'racial supremacists'? You're right – what an ugly degenerate way to think.
I agree entirely – folks who believe that their particular socio-ethnic circumstances mark them as superior, ought to be shunned. The fact that their cultish tribalist inbreeding has generated Tay-Sachs goes into the 'karma, bitchez' file.
Note that I have not bothered with the socially repugnant aspects of the absurd tribal nuttery embodied in the repugnant Iron Age herrenvolk cult: the incest, the genital mutilation, the blood and burnt sacrifice and the rest of the attributes that make that religion indistinguishable from pagan rituals from the highlands of Papua New Guinea – which also has recent accretions that deviate it from its underlying savagery and – yes – ugliness.
In case you think I have a specific beef with Jooism, let me make it clear – the Jeebus death cult is just as idiotic, and its fundamentalist adherents are just as stupid and jelly-brained. Likewise the Mussel-men/Mohammedans. A pox on all their houses, with their stupid belief in worshipping an invisible sky wizard.
That said, there is not a coterie of Mussel-men in Washington's inner circle whose primary loyalty is to another country (one founded based on the sick idea that a burning shrub can grant land titles in perpetuity, and that multilating male children will somehow get a hyperpowerful Sky Wizard on your side)
Cheerio
GT
eve
August 11th, 2010 at 10:06 pm
Actually shootist66 is correct.
That could easily be interpreted as a call to arms against an oft-baited community of people, not a handful of influential individuals. My interpretation was reinforced by eve's very own response: "it's more of an concern of what may very well happen, not a "wishing it were so." Clearly, she confirmed that she was alluding to pogrom-type violence, although she won't admit to WANTING it to happen, merely to PREDICTING that it will. Perhaps there's a bridge she'd like to sell me, too…
Answer: Read many of the other posts here on this board. They speak for themselves.
I came to this conclusion AFTER reading some of the previous posts.
You can "assume" what I meant, or you can "simmer down" and realize you're going "overboard."
Read comments on these boards and others then tell me my observation is incorrect.
That being said, I reiterate … no "dual-citizens" of any nation should be allowed to serve in critical positions of US domestic or foreign policy.
It is truly in the best interests/safety of the US populace.
You can continue your tirade if you wish Augustus, call names, hurl insults, however, shootist66 clearly understood my words. You apparently wish I meant something else other than I did. That's your issue.