Why No One Notices Our MAD Planet
I can still remember sneaking with two friends into the balcony of some Broadway movie palace to see the world end. The year was 1959, the film was On the Beach, and I was 15. It was the movie version of Neville Shute’s still eerie 1957 novel about an Australia awaiting its death sentence from radioactive fallout from World War III, which had already happened in the northern hemisphere. We three were jacked by the thrill of the illicit and then, to our undying surprise, bored by the quiet, grownup way the movie imagined human life winding down on this planet. (“We’re all doomed, you know. The whole, silly, drunken, pathetic lot of us. Doomed by the air we’re about to breathe.”)
It couldn’t hold a candle to giant, radioactive, mutant ants heading for L.A. (Them!), or planets exploding as alien civilizations nuclearized themselves (This Island Earth), or a monstrous prehistoric reptile tearing up Tokyo after being awakened from its sleep by atomic tests (Godzilla), or, for that matter, the sort of post-nuclear, post-apocalyptic survivalist novels that were common enough in that era.
It’s true that anything can be transformed into entertainment, even versions of our own demise — and that there’s something strangely reassuring about then leaving a theater or turning the last page of a book and having life go on. Still, we teenagers didn’t doubt that something serious and dangerous was afoot in that Cold War era, not when we “ducked and covered” under our school desks while (test) sirens screamed outside and the CONELRAD announcer on the radio on the teacher’s desk offered chilling warnings.
Nor did we doubt it when we dreamed about the bomb, as I did reasonably regularly in those years, or when we wondered how our “victory weapon” in the Pacific in World War II might, in the hands of the Reds, obliterate us and the rest of what in those days we called the Free World (with the obligatory caps). We sensed that, for the first time since peasants climbed into their coffins at the millennium to await the last days, we were potentially already in our coffins in everyday life, that our world could actually vanish in a few moments in a paroxysm of superpower destruction.
Today, from climate change to pandemics, apocalyptic scenarios (real and imaginary) have only multiplied. But the original world-ender of our modern age, that wonder weapon manqué, as military expert, TomDispatch regular, and author of Prophets of War: Lockheed and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex Bill Hartung points out, is still unbelievably with us and still proliferating. Yes, logic — and the evidence from Hiroshima and Nagasaki — should tell us that nuclear weapons are too staggeringly destructive to be usable, but in crisis moments, logic has never been a particularly human trait. How strange, then, that a genuine apocalyptic possibility has dropped out of our dreams, as well as pop culture, and as Hartung makes clear, is barely visible in our world. Which is why, on a landscape remarkably barren of everything nuclear except the massive arsenals that dot the planet, TomDispatch considers it important to raise the possibility of returning the nuclear issue to the place it deserves in the human agenda. (To catch Timothy MacBain’s latest Tomcast audio interview in which Hartung discusses the upside-down world of global nuclear politics, click here or download it to your iPod here.) Tom
Beyond Nuclear Denial
How
a world-ending weapon disappeared from our lives, but not our world
by William
D. Hartung
There was a time when nuclear weapons were a significant part of our national conversation. Addressing the issue of potential atomic annihilation was once described by nuclear theorist Herman Kahn as “thinking about the unthinkable,” but that didn’t keep us from thinking, talking, fantasizing, worrying about it, or putting images of possible nuclear nightmares (often transmuted to invading aliens or outer space) endlessly on screen.
Now, on a planet still overstocked with city-busting, world-ending weaponry, in which almost 67 years have passed since a nuclear weapon was last used, the only nuke that Americans regularly hear about is one that doesn’t exist: Iran’s. The nearly 20,000 nuclear weapons on missiles, planes, and submarines possessed by Russia, the United States, France, the United Kingdom, China, Israel, Pakistan, India, and North Korea are barely mentioned in what passes for press coverage of the nuclear issue.
Today, nuclear destruction finds itself at the end of a long queue of anxieties about our planet and its fate. For some reason, we trust ourselves, our allies, and even our former enemies with nuclear arms — evidently so deeply that we don’t seem to think the staggering arsenals filled with weaponry that could put the devastation of Hiroshima to shame are worth covering or dealing with. Even the disaster at Fukushima last year didn’t revive an interest in the weaponry that goes with the “peaceful” atom in our world.
Attending to the Bomb in a MAD World
Our views of the nuclear issue haven’t always been so shortsighted. In the 1950s, editor and essayist Norman Cousins was typical in frequently tackling nuclear weapons issues for the widely read magazine Saturday Review. In the late 1950s and beyond, the Ban the Bomb movement forced the nuclear weapons issue onto the global agenda, gaining international attention when it was revealed that strontium-90, a byproduct of nuclear testing, was making its way into mothers’ breast milk. In those years, the nuclear issue became personal as well as political.
In the early 1960s, President John F. Kennedy responded to public pressure by signing a treaty with Russia that banned atmospheric nuclear testing (and so further strontium-90 fallout). He also gave a dramatic speech to the United Nations in which he spoke of the nuclear arms race as a “sword of Damocles” hanging over the human race, poised to destroy us at any moment.
Popular films like Fail-Safe and Dr. Strangelove captured both the dangers and the absurdity of the superpower arms race. And when, on the night of Oct. 22, 1962, Kennedy took to the airwaves to warn the American people that a Cuban missile crisis was underway, that it was nuclear in nature, that a Soviet nuclear attack and a “full retaliatory strike on the Soviet Union” were possibilities — arguably the closest we have come to a global nuclear war — it certainly got everyone’s attention.
All things nuclear receded from public consciousness as the Vietnam War escalated and became the focus of antiwar activism and debate, but the nuclear issue came back with a vengeance in the Reagan years of the early 1980s when superpower confrontations once again were in the headlines. A growing anti-nuclear movement first focused on a near-disaster at the Three Mile Island nuclear plant in Pennsylvania (the Fukushima of its moment) and then on the superpower nuclear stand-off that went by the name of “mutually assured destruction” or, appropriately enough, the acronym MAD.
The Nuclear Freeze Campaign generated scores of anti-nuclear resolutions in cities and towns around the country, and in June 1982, a record-breaking million people gathered in New York City’s Central Park to call for nuclear disarmament. If anyone managed to miss this historic outpouring of anti-nuclear sentiment, ABC news aired a prime-time, made-for-TV movie, The Day After, that offered a remarkably graphic depiction of the missiles leaving their silos and the devastating consequences of a nuclear war. It riveted a nation.
The collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of that planetary superpower rivalry less than a decade later took nuclear weapons out of the news. After all, with the Cold War over and no other rivals to the United States, who needed such weaponry or a MAD world either? The only problem was that the global nuclear landscape was left more or less intact, missionless but largely untouched (with the proliferation of the weapons to other countries ongoing). Unacknowledged as it may be, in some sense MAD still exists, even if we prefer to pretend that it doesn’t.
A MAD World That No One Cares to Notice
More than 20 years later, the only nuclear issue considered worth the bother is stopping the spread of the bomb to a couple of admittedly scary and problematic regimes: Iran and North Korea. Their nuclear efforts make the news regularly and garner attention (to the point of obsession) in media and government circles. But remind me: when was the last time you read about what should be the ultimate (and obvious) goal — getting rid of nuclear weapons altogether?
This has been our reality, despite President Obama’s pledge in Prague back in 2009 to seek “the peace and security of a world without nuclear weapons,” and the passage of a modest but important New START arms reduction treaty between the United States and Russia in 2010. It remains our reality, despite a dawning realization in budget-anxious Washington that we may no longer be able to afford to throw money (as presently planned) at nuclear projects ranging from new ballistic-missile submarines to new facilities for building nuclear warhead components — all of which are slated to keep the secret global nuclear arms race alive and well decades into the future.
If Iran is worth talking about — and it is, given the implications of an Iranian bomb for further nuclear proliferation in the Middle East — what about the arsenals of the actual nuclear states? What about Pakistan, a destabilizing country which has at least 110 nuclear warheads and counting, and continues to view India as its primary adversary despite U.S. efforts to get it to focus on al-Qaeda and the Taliban? What about India’s roughly 100 nuclear warheads, meant to send a message not just to Pakistan but to neighboring China as well? And will China hold pat at 240 or so nuclear weapons in the face of U.S. nuclear modernization efforts and plans to surround it with missile defense systems that could, in theory if not practice, blunt China’s nuclear deterrent force?
Will Israel continue to get a free pass on its officially unacknowledged possession of up to 200 nuclear warheads and its refusal to join the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty? Who are France and the United Kingdom targeting with their forces of 300 and 225 nuclear warheads, respectively? How long will it take North Korea to develop miniaturized nuclear bombs and deploy them on workable, long-range missiles? And is New START the beginning or the end of mutual U.S. and Russian arms reductions?
Many of these questions are far more important than whether Iran gets the bomb, but they get, at best, only a tiny fraction of the attention that Tehran’s nuclear program is receiving. Concern about Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal and a fear of loose nukes in a destabilizing country is certainly part of the subtext of U.S. policy toward Islamabad. Little effort has been made of late, however, to encourage Pakistan and India to engage in talks aimed at reconciling their differences and opening the way for discussions on reducing their nuclear arsenals.
The last serious effort — centered on the contentious issue of Kashmir — reached its high point in 2007 under the regime of Pakistani autocrat Pervez Musharraf, and it went awry in the wake of political changes within his country and Pakistani-backed terrorist attacks on India. If anything, the tensions now being generated by U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan’s tribal borderlands and other affronts, intended or not, to Pakistan’s sovereignty have undermined any possibility of Washington brokering a rapprochement between Pakistan and India.
In addition, starting in the Bush years, the U.S. has been selling India nuclear fuel and equipment. This has been part of a controversial agreement that violates prior U.S. commitments to forgo nuclear trade with any nation that has refused to join the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (a pact India has not signed). Although U.S. assistance is nominally directed toward India’s civilian nuclear program, it helps free up resources that India can use to expand its nuclear weapons arsenal.
The “tilt” toward India that began during the Bush administration has continued under Obama. Only recently, for instance, a State Department official bragged about U.S. progress in selling advanced weaponry to New Delhi. Meanwhile, F-16s that Washington supplied to the Pakistani military back in the heyday of the U.S.-Pakistan alliance may have already been adapted to serve as nuclear delivery vehicles in the event of a nuclear confrontation with India.
China has long adhered to a de facto policy of minimum deterrence — keeping just enough nuclear weapons to dissuade another nation from attacking it with nuclear arms. But this posture has not prevented Beijing from seeking to improve the quality of its long-range ballistic missiles. And if China feels threatened by continued targeting by the United States or by sea-based American interceptors deployed to the region, it could easily increase its arsenal to ensure the “safety” of its deterrent. Beijing will also be keeping a watchful eye on India as its nuclear stockpile continues to grow.
Ever since Ronald Reagan — egged on by mad scientists like Edward Teller and right-wing zealots like Lt. Gen. Daniel O. Graham — pledged to build a perfect anti-nuclear shield that would render nuclear weapons “impotent and obsolete,” missile defense has had a powerful domestic constituency in the United States. This has been the case despite the huge cost and high-profile failures of various iterations of the missile defense concept.
The only concrete achievement of three decades of missile defense research and development so far has been to make Russia suspicious of U.S. intentions. Even now, rightly or not, Russia is extremely concerned about the planned installation of U.S. missile defenses in Europe that Washington insists will be focused on future Iranian nuclear weapons. Moscow feels that they could just as easily be turned on Russia. If President Obama wins a second term, he will undoubtedly hope to finesse this issue and open the door to further joint reductions in nuclear forces, or possibly even consider reducing this country’s nuclear arsenal significantly, whether or not Russia initially goes along.
Recent bellicose rhetoric from Moscow underscores its sensitivity to the missile defense issue, which may yet scuttle any plans for serious nuclear negotiations. Given that the U.S. and Russia together possess more than 90% of the world’s nuclear weapons, an impasse between the two nuclear superpowers (even if they are not “super” in other respects) will undercut any leverage they might have to encourage other nations to embark on a path leading to global nuclear reductions.
In his 1960s ode to nuclear proliferation, “Who’s Next,” Tom Lehrer included the line “Israel’s getting tense, wants one in self-defense.” In fact, Israel was the first — and for now the only — Middle Eastern nation to get the bomb, with reports that it can deliver a nuclear warhead not only from land-based missiles but also via cruise missiles launched from nuclear submarines. Whatever it may say about Israel’s technical capabilities in the military field, Israel’s nuclear arsenal may also be undermining its defense, particularly if it helps spur Iran to build its own nukes. And irresponsible talk by some Israeli officials about attacking Iran only increases the chance that Tehran will decide to go nuclear.
It is hard to handicap the grim, “unthinkable,” but hardly inconceivable prospect that Aug. 9, 1945, will not prove to be the last time that nuclear weapons are used on this planet. Perhaps some of the loose nuclear materials or inadequately guarded nuclear weapons littering the globe — particularly, but not solely, in the states of the former Soviet Union — might fall into the hands of a terrorist group. Perhaps an Islamic fundamentalist government will seize power in Pakistan and go a step too far in nuclear brinkmanship with India over Kashmir. Maybe the Israeli leadership will strike out at Iran with nuclear weapons in an effort to keep Tehran from going nuclear. Maybe there will be a miscommunication or false alarm that will result in the United States or Russia launching one of their nuclear weapons that are still in Cold War-style, hair-trigger mode.
Although none of these scenarios, including a terrorist nuclear attack, may be as likely as nuclear alarmists sometimes suggest, as long as the world remains massively stocked with nuclear weapons, one of them — or some other scenario yet to be imagined — is always possible. The notion that Iran can’t be trusted with such a weapon obscures a larger point: given their power to destroy life on a monumental scale, no individual and no government can ultimately be trusted with the bomb.
The only way to be safe from nuclear weapons is to get rid of them — not just the Iranian one that doesn’t yet exist, but all of them. It’s a daunting task. It’s also a subject that’s out of the news and off anyone’s agenda at the moment, but if it is ever to be achieved, we at least need to start talking about it. Soon.
William D. Hartung is the director of the Arms and Security Project at the Center for International Policy, a TomDispatch regular, and the author of Prophets of War: Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex. (To catch Timothy MacBain’s latest Tomcast audio interview in which Hartung discusses the upside-down world of global nuclear politics, click here or download it to your iPod here.)
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Claus Eric Hamle
July 9th, 2012 at 3:55 am
MAD is already insane but replacing it with Disarming First-Strike Capability is suicidal. Since 1970 the Pentagon has been working on that when they began development of Trident-1 (now all deployed are Trident-2) and GPS (Navstar) with 24 satellites to hit Russian missile silos accurately) and anti-submarine warfare capabilities. The missiles in Poland, Romania and Bulgaria (on ships in the Black Sea) are to destroy the missiles that survive First Strike crosstargeting by Minuteman-3 and Trident-2. CND Information Officer David Guinness suggests it´s "only" for Blackmail ??? They have nothing to do with Iran-Der Spiegel 49/2011 and antiwar radio Archives May 7, 2012 Ray McGovern. As they will be operational by 2018, the Russians will deploy Launch On Warning by 2017 and the risk of Accidental Nuclear War will increase. PS: The US Navy can track and destroy all enemy submarines simultaneously according to Bob Aldridge. Anybody wondered why they cancelled the MX and put the warhead on Minuteman-3 ? According to Professor Paul Rogers that warhead as the D5 on Trident-2 are designed to minimize nuclear winter effects if used against missile silos.
moe7
July 9th, 2012 at 6:19 am
Denial is total on the nuclear front – from our politicians to the population at large. Only after disaster or great suffering will people wake up – assuming they are able to wake up.
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patriothere
July 11th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
All it takes is some radical group to set off a nuclear device in some american city and boom, the US gets its excuse to decimate iran and bring back the draft!
Roger Russel
July 12th, 2012 at 10:50 am
I agree. Well said
Roger
July 12th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
And how much were you paid to stand up for Iran again?
We know you admitted to being a paid hack. I didn't realize your employer and Wee's worked together like this. So, do you have the same paycheck?
6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
"I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out."
patriothere
July 12th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
You don't care about america. You are not for the things that made this country great. You have admitted that.
I care about america. I know that when a nuclear device is set off in an American city. It will be israels fault and its stranglehold on our government.
Roger
July 12th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Quote me.
You don't get sarcasm much, do you? English as a foreign language has that problem.
patriothere
July 12th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
what are you in zionist meltdown or something?
Roger
July 12th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Meltdown like Neda was?
Nope, don't you need to download some new computer games or something? It must be boring in iran about how, how about getting a job driving a nuclear scientist to work?
Roger
July 12th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Are you in muslim meltdown or something?
Roger
July 12th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Yes, I remember you also saying this.
"My chuckle is that Iran is going to slip one through our admittedly very porous southern border and then detonate this in a US city"
The two comments go hand in hand it seems.
patriothere
July 12th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
your zionist talking points have no effect on me.
patriothere
July 12th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
are you in butt ugly mode or something? No wonder you spend your whole life in front of a computer.
Roger
July 12th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
This is the words of wisdom from an admitted paid hack.
Hahahahaha….
You really are so sad. Can't they write better stuff for you?
Roger
July 12th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Neither do facts or events, or even logic.
That's one of the side effects of being a paid hack.
6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
"I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out."
Most trolls don't lay out how they're paid like that.
WTE
July 13th, 2012 at 5:23 am
I never said that. You're a liar
WTE
July 13th, 2012 at 5:24 am
He likes goats.
Roger 165p • 1 hour ago
I stole some of your goats and used them as sex toys
WTE
July 13th, 2012 at 5:24 am
Yep, he even said so.
Roger 165p • 6 minutes ago
No, you know I'm not for the things that made this country great.
WTE
July 13th, 2012 at 5:25 am
You don't get American sarcasm do you?
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 6:54 am
My my, still pretending that huh?
Thank goodness you recognize all forms of sarcasm. Or not.
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 6:55 am
Still changing words and pretending it's a quote?
What a hate filled bigot you are. Why not quote what I actually did say?
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 6:55 am
Of course I do, and this isn't it.
So, you're back at work behind your work terminal spewing propaganda. I bet you've had a long week, and are really looking forward to having the weekend off?
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 6:56 am
Yes, you did.
exposed
July 13th, 2012 at 6:59 am
Roger 165p • 1 hour ago
"I stole several of your goats and used them as sex toys"
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 7:13 am
Wee, isn't it early in the day to resort to even more parallel profiles?
Why not set this one up with a Facebook profile too?
exposed
July 13th, 2012 at 7:56 am
You are a defective detective.
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 8:11 am
Poor little WTE.
So abused, so exposed.
exposed
July 13th, 2012 at 8:13 am
When are you coming to Porland Oregon? I'd love to meet up with you.
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Poor little WTE. I've been to Portland, and didn't notice many mosques or freaks.
exposed
July 13th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Either you are lying (again) or you had your eyes closed. You do know that Portland's motto is "keep Porland weird", right? Yet you didn't see any freaks? With the exception of San Franciso, we are the freak capital of the world.
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 8:35 am
My favorite spot was a park up on a hilltop, you could see mountains to the north that were dormant volcanoes. The park had a concrete circle with a low 24 inch wall around it, and if you stood in the center it would echo sounds back at you.
You would have a blast blathering away up there.
exposed
July 13th, 2012 at 8:42 am
That is Council Crest is SW Portland. Excellent views of the mountains with the plaques showing their names. Large KGON (local radio station) tower is just to the West. I used to live at the bottom of that hill on Dosch Rd while in college. Nice neighborhood.
WTE
July 13th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Liar. Prove it
WTE
July 13th, 2012 at 9:18 am
No you don't and yes it is
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 9:53 am
I'm used to the mountains in Southern California, and hillside development. But the homes built on the steep embankments made me nervous. Perhaps you don't have the earthquake activity that California has.
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 9:54 am
This from the guy all upset over his sex toy goats?
Roger 165p � 1 hour ago
I stole some of you sex toys and sold them as regular milk goats.
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 9:54 am
I just quoted you.
Yawn, you can't do any better can you?
WTE
July 13th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Like that is any near my writing style
WTE
July 13th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Seems to me that is more of your thing.
Roger 164p • 1 hour ago
Better be careful, me may think you have a 'pretty mouth'.
exposed
July 13th, 2012 at 10:40 am
The experts keep saying we are do for a big quake. I've only felt one small one back in '91 or '92. Mudslides are more of an issue here, but not on that particular hill. The hill is currently called Fairmount, but everyone here refers to it as Council Crest which is actually the name of the park on top.
WTE
July 13th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Roger 163p • 2 hours ago
I get paid to comment on Intense Debate. This is the only job I could find with my lacking education. My Christian handlers pretty much tell me what to write. Makes it easy on me, when I use my brain my head hurts.
WTE
July 13th, 2012 at 10:43 am
You said it not me
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 11:18 am
And if you represent with all your hate, all your bigotry, the things that make this country great then I'm against it still.
I just don't think it is.
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 11:19 am
I'm not interested, you need to deal with all yourself.
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Then you shouldn't have said it. And you did say it, that's a direct quote.
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Poor little wee wee. Still making up quotes?
So much hatred and bigotry, it's eating at your soul.
That and the liquid lunches!
patriothere
July 13th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
You mean propaganda and lies and trolling.
patriothere
July 13th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
You are wrong but keep trying.
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
No, I meant exactly what I said.
You just can't stand it, knowing you even are dumb enough to think gravity didn't work until it was proven.
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
They paid you how much to say that?
patriothere
July 13th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
No you mean lies propaganda and trolling.
patriothere
July 13th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Your comments don't even deserve a response. You know that.
patriothere
July 13th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
you never mean exactly what you say!
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
I always mean what I say.
If you could say what you meant, instead of what you're bosses make you post, it would be so much easier for you to understand what freedom of speech is like.
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
No, I mean what I said.
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Like yours?
They're not even your comments, they're the approved talking points that your bosses hand you.
patriothere
July 13th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
You never mean what you say. You only go off the page in front of you.
patriothere
July 13th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
You never mean what you say. I have freedom of speech. I can curse. You can't.
patriothere
July 13th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Yet you keep replying to them. Interesting.
PAID HACK TROLL!
Roger
July 14th, 2012 at 6:42 am
Why wouldn't I expose your poison and lies?
Oh, they're not even your lies and poison. The hack paid troll just repeats like he's told to.
Roger
July 14th, 2012 at 6:43 am
The brave muslim, free to do exactly as he's told.
Roger
July 14th, 2012 at 6:44 am
You can't keep track of your own thoughts, you certainly don't have a clue on mine.
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 12:33 am
You only stick to the talking points approved by your zionist handlers.
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 12:34 am
You're not even a real person. You're some computer that just replies to whatever I say.
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 12:34 am
You don't have a thought. You are a computer.
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 7:51 am
And you're a paid hack.
Which is worse? And no, I'm not a computer. I'm not even a lousy Iranian computer with stuxnet.
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 7:52 am
You wish, even if I was that wouldn't make your lies less untrue.
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 7:53 am
I don't need handlers. Unlike you I can think on my own.
It must be hard trying to remember to breath and cut and paste all at once.
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
You're a computer run on algorithms.
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
You're not used to anything but being a computer using algorithms
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Says the computer that uses algorithms.
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
You are owned by zionists and you are a computer with algorithms.
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
And are there games for you to play!
http://www.stuxnet.com/iraniangames!
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
You really need to unwind and relax.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1pioYFDEIU
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
As opposed to a paid hack like you?
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
You keep saying that. Is that your only allowed comment tonight?
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July 16th, 2012 at 7:06 am
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WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 7:33 am
I never said that. Prove it liar. Link to the page, screen shot, etc…..
I love my country unlike you.
Roger 165p • 6 minutes ago
No, you know I'm not for the things that made this country great.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 7:35 am
Posion and lies?
That is what you spew all day
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 7:40 am
like you do?
24 minutes ago @ Breitbart.tv – Soldier Found Guilty i… · 1 reply · +1 points
The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 7:40 am
like you do?
24 minutes ago @ Breitbart.tv – Soldier Found Guilty i… · 1 reply · +1 points
"The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO"
Declaring jihad seemed a bit extreme, but your poison usually is.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 7:42 am
Sarcasm is hard for you iranian friendly, pro muslim kinds of trolls.
And if the things you say are American (and I don't think they are) then I'm not for them. And I certainly don't think that's what made America great.
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July 16th, 2012 at 8:35 am
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patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
You should know that you have been reported.
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
You really need to unwind and relax.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyT3p22RZf8
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Really.
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
You're a computer using algorithms.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Just mad because your iranian computers are so much junk?
Why not download something to fix that?
http://www.stuxnet.com/iranianversion
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
You really ought to try some, and send them in a file to your iranian troll friends!
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
I dont' relax when I'm being lied to.
If you muslim militants pee on us, don't expect to look us in the eye and call it rain.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
So, I make sense and use facts.
Like the fact that gravity worked for eons even before it was discovered.