The Wages of Fear in Israel and the US
A country programmatically gripped by fear – yes, that’s us for more than eight years now. Fear of terrorism to be exact, even as truly terrible things happened in this land and elsewhere, from hurricane Katrina in 2005 to last week’s devastating Haitian earthquake, which should have put our fears into perspective. But no such luck.
Since 9/11, the thought of "terrorism" has seized the U.S. by the throat. People who are terrified of flying for fear of a terrorist attack are perfectly willing to drive a car to the nearest mall without a passing worry, even though traffic fatalities indicate that this is a relatively dangerous act. There were a staggering 34,000 fatal crashes in the U.S. in 2008, 12.25 fatalities for every 100,000 Americans, and carmakers are now intent on featuring ever more immersive Internet-linked "infotainment systems" on dashboards. These are sure to up the distraction level and lead to more deaths on the highway, and yet the country is barely focused on this fact. And mind you, despite all the attention, not one American died in a terrorist attack on an airplane last year. In fact, Nate Silver of the Web site FiveThirtyEight.com recently crunched a few numbers and came up with the following: "the odds of being on [a] given [airplane] departure which is the subject of a terrorist incident have been 1 in 10,408,947 over the past decade."
But keep in mind that fear, wherever directed, is a remarkably profitable emotion to exploit. Just think of those controversial full-body-scan machines now being installed in airports at a cost of up to $170,000 each. One promoter of them is former Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Michael Chertoff, "who now heads the Chertoff Group, which represents one of the leading manufacturers of whole-body-imaging machines, Rapiscan Systems." He’s part of a growing "full-body-scanner lobby" of ex-Washington politicos just made for our moment.
Every jolt of terror, in other words, is a jolt of profit for some company or set of companies. After a while, those jolts of fear become repetitive adrenaline rushes for a whole set of interests which, in the American system, soon hire lobbyists, corner senators and congressional representatives, retain law and publicity firms, and live well as long as people remain terrified.
If these last years tell us anything, it’s that money follows fear. By 2006, for instance, the Department of Homeland Security, that second Defense Department, a huge, unwieldy bureaucracy created from the terror of terror, already had a mini-homeland-security-industrial complex growing up around it; and that, in turn, was part of a global security business aimed at "thwarting terrorists" then worth an estimated $59 billion. (If we had news media worth their salt and DHS was a real beat, we would undoubtedly have more recent, far more striking figures for this.)
At the comical (but also profitable) end of this spectrum of fear were all those places like Old MacDonald’s Petting Zoo, the Amish Country Popcorn factory, and the Mule Day Parade that were put into the DHS’ National Asset Database as "potential terror targets," opening up the possibility that they might receive DHS money to protect them. "The database," reported the New York Times, "is used by the Homeland Security Department to help divvy up the hundreds of millions of dollars in anti-terrorism grants each year." Consider just the Weeki Wachee mermaids at Weeki Wachee Springs in Hernando, Fla. In 2005, the St. Petersburg Times reported that the Weeki Wachee staff was "teaming up with the Hernando County Sheriff’s Office to ‘harden the target’" – as they attempted to access DHS anti-terrorism funds "allocated to the Tampa Bay region." (“‘I can’t imagine [Osama] bin Laden trying to blow up the mermaids,’ [marketing and promotion manager John] Athanason said. ‘But with terrorists, who knows what they’re thinking. I don’t want to think like a terrorist, but what if the terrorists try to poison the water at Weeki Wachee Springs?’”)
All of this might be dismissed as a joke, if American life weren’t filled with phantasmagoric terrors that are also money machines. Everywhere that fear rules, from the U.S. to Israel, there are people exploiting and making money off it – and it’s in the nature of the beast for them to want the gift-that-never-stops-giving to go on forever. On this Martin Luther King Day, TomDispatch regular Ira Chernus takes a deep, dark look into what fear does to Americans and Israelis alike and the ways in which it drives us all. Tom
Martin Luther King’s Legacy and Israel’s Future
Stepping beyond fearby Ira Chernus
Every year, apologists for Israel’s occupation of Palestine eagerly await Martin Luther King Day. Then they trot out these words, spoken by Dr. King shortly before his death: "When people criticize Zionists they mean Jews; you are talking anti-Semitism.”
King, who repeated the themes that really mattered to him – justice, freedom, human dignity, nonviolence – over and over again, mentioned anti-Semitism only once, in an informal question-and-answer session. Nobody asked him what he meant, and he never explained. (A lengthy letter of "his" expounding on the theme has been proven a hoax.) Yet, year after year, Israel’s apologists rush to use those once-spoken words as the capstone for a line of reasoning which goes something like this: Israel uses violence in the "disputed territories" to protect its own security. If you criticize that violence, you don’t care about Israel’s security; so you don’t care if Israel ceases to exist; so you are against Zionism. And Martin Luther King himself said that that’s anti-Semitism. In other words, only anti-Semites oppose Israel’s occupation policies.
Of course it’s perverse. It’s hard to imagine King ever endorsing such an illogical justification – or any justification – for the violent abrogation of a whole people’s freedom and dignity.
Still, it bothers me that the great man actually did, even once, say that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism. How could someone whose intellectual rigor I admire make such an error in reasoning, one that could easily be used, even while he was still alive, to rationalize Israel’s occupation of Palestinian lands?
Yes, some people who criticize Zionism are anti-Semitic. But millions of Jews themselves opposed Zionism, especially in its early years. Jews have developed some of the most trenchant critiques of Zionism precisely because they loved their own people and saw Zionism as a threat to Judaism and Jewish values.
I don’t happen to agree with them. I respect Zionism as a movement of national self-determination. (If we accord that right to the Palestinians and every other national group, why not to the Jews?) But I’m one of many Zionists who have objected vigorously as Israel swallowed up the Occupied Territories, because in the long run military occupation is bound to increase the threat to Jews and, no less important, to Jewish values. Although King associated us with anti-Semitism only indirectly and unwittingly, his words have done us a disservice, too.
There’s no way that I, or any of the Jewish critics of Israel – Zionist or not – could be called anti-Semitic. Many non-Jews, driven by moral and intellectual concerns, have added to the thoughtful critiques of Zionism with no tinge of anti-Semitism in their words.
How could MLK not know any of this? He certainly wasn’t naïve or uninformed about foreign affairs. For years, he had been eloquently praising the rising tide of colonized people who were demanding self-determination. And when he finally decided it was "a time to break silence" and voice his opposition to the U.S. war in Vietnam, he showed how well he could master the facts of a foreign conflict.
Though much of that 1967 speech was an eloquent denunciation of military violence in general, and especially that practiced by his own government ("the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today"), a significant part of it was a detailed recounting of Vietnamese history, an explanation of how the war must have looked to the Vietnamese people. Few of us protesting the war back then knew nearly as much about what was happening or could have explained so lucidly just why the war was wrong in political as well as moral terms.
How a man who could get it so right on Vietnam could get it so wrong on anti-Zionism remains a mystery.
King, Zionism, and the Cycle of Fear
If, however, we leave aside King’s offhand comment about anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism, and consider instead his words about the horrors of American state violence and violence in general, which reflected his most deeply held values, we can see Israel’s state violence in a new light that illuminates the deep, often unnoticed links between violence and irrational fear.
When he broke his silence on Vietnam, King denounced the "morbid fear of communism" that had turned Western nations into "arch anti-revolutionaries," willing to "adjust to injustice." "Our only hope today," he preached, "lies in our ability to recapture the revolutionary spirit and go out into a sometimes hostile world declaring eternal hostility to poverty, racism, and militarism."
That, as he had learned from Gandhi and taught to millions, would require a spirit of love strenuously applied to overcome fear. King had read Gandhi; he had also visited India and spoken with many ardent Gandhians. So he grasped the spirit of these words the Mahatma wrote: "Fear and love are contradictory terms." "In order to be fearless we should love all and adhere to the path of truth.”
King agreed with Gandhi that fear was a crucial source of evil. "There is one evil," he said, "that is worse than violence, and that’s cowardice." He also understood the Mahatma’s view that fear was the opposite of love, the opposite of nonviolence, and so often itself the source of violence. By the last night of his life, he had embraced this Gandhian philosophy almost ecstatically. After prophesying his own death, he famously concluded: "So I’m happy, tonight. I’m not worried about anything. I’m not fearing any man!"
King had lived surrounded by whites who were moved to violence by irrational fears of people of color. He dedicated his life to overcoming his own fear so that, through love, he could overcome the fears of his oppressors. In 1967, he finally overcame his fear of harming the civil rights movement and bravely denounced America’s war in Vietnam, which was motivated (as he saw it) by an irrational fear of communism.
King’s blind spot (and even the greatest people have them) was in not recognizing that Israel’s violence against Palestinians, too, was – and still is – similarly motivated by irrational fear. One of the great tragedies of Zionism has, in fact, been its striking inability to escape the fear that gave it birth – a fear well justified in late 19th-century Europe, Zionism’s birthplace, at a time when anti-Semitism was indeed rampant. Today, however, with the Jewish state possessing massively preponderant military power in the Middle East, it no longer makes sense to base Jewish identity on fear, to imagine anti-Semitism lurking behind every well-meaning critique of Israeli policy.
Those of us who follow the path of the great Jewish philosopher and dissident Zionist Martin Buber, who still believe Zionism can in principle be moral, see fear as not merely unjustified but destructive and self-destructive. It fosters policies that only lock Israelis as well as Palestinians into an endless cycle of insecurity.
King apparently never recognized (or at least never said publicly) that fear, not anti-Zionism, was the true threat to the Jewish people. It’s hard to blame him. He was far too busy with more immediate concerns to spend much time studying the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Israel’s Fear
If a man as fearlessly committed to truth as MLK could make such a mistake, how much more easily can other Americans, including American presidents, fall prey to the same mistake. The current president has made a huge mistake in dealing with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Now he finds himself hostage to a tragic cycle of fear.
At first, Obama came out swinging against Israeli policy like no president since Dwight D. Eisenhower. Soon after taking office, he insisted (according to his secretary of state) on a total, permanent halt to the expansion of Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank.
It was a sensible step. Settlement expansion is rapidly shrinking the size of a future Palestine to a point where a viable state will be impossible. Without a viable Palestinian state, the Middle East cauldron will continue to boil, generating anger and tensions that threaten not only the security of the region, but U.S. security interests as well. That’s why a total settlement freeze is still supported by some factions in the administration.
But Obama and his advisers apparently underestimated the pushback they would get from Israeli leaders who always have their eyes on their own political futures. No one can say what Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his cabinet members really believe, but it’s easy to see the political points they score by pushing the panic button over the so-called "dangers" of giving in to Obama’s demands. All they have to do is raise ever-present fears of Jewish weakness and victimization, as Defense Minister Ehud Barak did when he complained that with the Obama administration "focusing solely on settlement building … Israel felt that it was being driven to its knees and delivered to the other side."
As Henry Siegman, former head of the American Jewish Congress, wrote in the New York Times, Netanyahu’s message that "the whole world is against Israel and that Israelis are at risk of another Holocaust … is unfortunately still a more comforting message for too many Israelis." Siegman observed that this fear (which he called "pathological") “is invoked most frequently by Israelis themselves. The term for it in Israel is a ‘galut [diaspora] mentality,’ the tendency of Diaspora Jewry to see itself as friendless, isolated, and always at the edge of a looming pogrom."
It’s a mentality long rooted in Zionism, and now growing in Israel, where Ha’aretz columnist Bradley Burston notes "a new Israeli approach which borrows from the very worst of our aging instincts. It says: We’re moral, our enemies are out to exterminate us along with our state, that’s all you need to know… Concede nothing… Give no ground. Ever.”
Another Israeli pundit brought the issue directly back to King’s insight about the link between violence and fear. Doron Rosenblum described Netanyahu and Barak as representing "two outstanding traits of Israeliness: aggressiveness and paranoia. … They reflect two sides of the same coin – the fear of being considered weak and, the only thing that’s worse, being considered naive."
A year ago, two Israeli researchers released a study with numbers to back up these impressions. They found that Israeli Jews are generally moved more by fear than anything else in viewing their conflict with the Palestinians. That leads them to "a selective and distorted processing of information aimed at preserving conflict-beliefs."
Obama Held Hostage to Fear?
Here in the U.S., Jews working to resolve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict via a just peace also see fear as a great obstacle. Jeremy Ben-Ami, executive director of the pro-Israel, pro-peace lobby J Street (who has his own roots deep in Israeli life) feels fear is the biggest factor holding back the Jewish state when it comes to making a genuine peace. Yes, Israelis need security guarantees they can believe in, says Ben-Ami, meaningful guarantees that if they give up land they will get peace.
The only way to get such assurances, though, would be through good-faith negotiations. And only strong and active American leadership in the diplomatic process can make those negotiations happen. That’s why J Street and a number of other Jewish-American groups supported Obama’s call for an immediate and total freeze on settlement construction as a first step toward peace talks.
But they face stiff opposition from American Jews still stuck in what J Street Policy Director Hadar Susskind calls "the Israel closet." Torn between thought and feeling, they remain locked into the fear they grew up with, he says. "Their heads support a strong American role in helping Israel make peace with its neighbors, but their kishkes [guts] are uncomfortable with the idea of anyone ‘telling Israel what to do.’"
Worried that Jews will look weak and pushed around, some of the biggest U.S. Jewish organizations denounced Obama’s demands on Israel. They found allies among Christian Zionists (whose influence on U.S. Middle East policy is often underrated) and, very likely, factions in the U.S. government (mostly military and intelligence) who want to placate the Israelis for their own pragmatic purposes as they try to contain the terrors of "terrorism."
Yielding to their collective pressure, Obama backed off his stern demand, letting the Israelis off with only a promised temporary halt to just some expansion. Since he offered no cogent explanation for this retreat, he’s left us free to speculate on the political scare he got from that inside-the-beltway coalition.
It is at least likely that the president and his advisers feared the coalition’s clout as they endured a long, hot summer of attacks on their health-care reform, the one fight the administration feels it has to win. Whatever the reasons may be, Obama consigned the prospect of real peace negotiations in the Middle East to defeat, at least temporarily.
If the administration sticks to its current cautious line, it will go on holding itself – and Middle East peace – hostage to the irrational fears of others. Israelis and Americans need a lasting peace to enhance their security. Palestinians desperately need a lasting peace simply to escape their daily suffering. Yet all are trapped in the synergy of mutually reinforcing fears.
Breaking Free
The situation is, however, not hopeless. Not yet, anyway. If the administration’s political fears can be eased, it may still find its backbone on the Israel-Palestine issue. And one pivotal group could swing the balance: the U.S. Jewish community.
Just as King found the courage he needed back in 1967 when it was "time to break silence" on a terrible war, more and more Jews are breaking the silence that has ruled the American Jewish community when it comes to Israel’s share of responsibility for the continuing conflict. J Street is only the most prominent among the many recent American Jewish voices for peace. They are all joining a movement that’s growing far faster than anyone could have imagined only a few years ago.
J Street’s Susskind sums up that movement – and sounds a lot like King – when he calls on Jews to "step out of the Jewish closet and say: ‘We love Israel, but that doesn’t mean we’ll remain silent when we disagree.’ It’s time for all of us who grew up loving Israel and praying for peace to stop letting the mythical notion that American Jews speak with a single voice keep us from supporting Israel’s security and future by calling for peace."
On this Martin Luther King Day, then, American Jews face a choice. They can dwell on one casual, misinformed, easily misinterpreted remark that King made and use it to justify continued Israeli intransigence and violence. Or they can remember the words in which he summed up a lifetime of nonviolence, on the last night of his life – "I’m not fearing any man!" – and call on their own government to demand at least a start toward ending the conflict: a genuine halt to all settlement expansion.
If enough American Jews, and enough of their non-Jewish allies, find that courage, Obama and future presidents will have the political cover they need to demand of Israel the steps it must take to begin a real journey toward security and peace.
Ira Chernus is professor of religious studies at the University of Colorado at Boulder. Read more of his writing on Israel, Palestine, and the U.S. on his blog.
Copyright 2010 Ira Chernus
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- Blood on Whose Hands? – January 19th, 2012





pwi
January 18th, 2010 at 10:51 am
Obama has way more problems than keeping the Jewish vote on his ledger sheet. At this point he can't do anything to lose more votes for his party and his own re-election. All his eggs are in the health care bill and he has enough to chew with that.
The vitriolic anti-Israel responders on this web site should enjoy some of this article. Particually,
"If enough American Jews, and enough of their non-Jewish allies, find that courage, Obama and future presidents will have the political cover they need to demand of Israel the steps it must take to begin a real journey toward security and peace."
Those steps to them and for the Arab world are steps into the Mediterranean, or into camps for disposal elsewhere or simply to go away. Certainly it won't be to stay, in peace, even within the "67 borders"
epppie
January 18th, 2010 at 11:41 am
You say that Obama 'backed off' due to pressure. No. There is no evidence that Obama was ever serious about any demands he placed on Israel. In fact, his visit to Israel during the campaign and his comment about Jerusalem being always Jewish, a stunning reversal of US policy, and decency, whether or not it was a mistake, indicated that he was deeply committed to a very hard anti-palestinian line. Do not underestimate Obama's Jerusalem faux pas. It was a glimpse into his soul.
Month after month we have seen hard hard hard line foreign policy from Obama. War, refugees, assasinations, drones, escalations, new basing agreements, military exercises in delicate areas – on and on the hard line policy has gone and we continue to pretend to ourselves that Obama is some kind of peacenik being dragged unwillingly along? If that were true, he'd be working hard to build alliances on the left that could back him up when he finally broke towards peace. There's no sign of that. Instead he berates the left for not backing his anti-left policies!!!!
Wake up people. Stop making excuses for Obomba.
rose hunter
January 18th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
BLOODYISRAEL is the single worst enemy of the whole world, because they made it so, and continue to do so. The whole world does indeed now, hate BLOODYISRAEL, so 'Mission Accomplished. When BLOODYISRAEL agree to become the warwhore for the MIC, they sealed their own fate. BLOODYISRAEL was meant to be a failed, non-state.
Maidhc Ó Cathail
January 18th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
A Closer Look at Israel's Role in Terrorism…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNjb1MGmGDc&fe…
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stevieb
January 18th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
"I respect Zionism as a movement of national self-determination. (If we accord that right to the Palestinians and every other national group, why not to the Jews?)"
Because Zionism is not simply a movement of 'self-determination'. Saddam Hussein could have claimed that when he invaded Kuwait. Did you see Nazism as a movement of self-determination? – probably not, even though Hitler most certainly did. Zionism is a fascist movement – it doesn't JUST posit for national self-determination. It does so in Palestine, where Zionists were well aware was populated by another peoples. If Jews were simply looking for a place to call home they could have chosen a number of unpopulated places or places where they were welcome to take full control of themselves. But not in Palestine. Zionism is a theological movement based on the idea of Jews 'returning'(religious dogma) to the Holy Land. The return of the 'Chosen' people to 'their' land – as outlined in the Jewish Bible.
Its nothing to do with discriminating against Jews – it's recognizing what is the truth and what is not…
juneconsley
January 18th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
The most important problem facing the United States and Barak Obama is peace. Once peace is established, deficits and domestic problems will be solved. Obama does not need the votes of Jews who constitute approximately 5 million out of 307 million population of this country. What needs to happen is all tax dollars are to be with held from Israel. Retract all aid and all agreements signed with Israel. The reference to "steps into the Mediterranean" or into "camps" is the policy of Israel toward the Palestinians in Gaza. The fighters, missiles, bombs, and latest technology the US supplies to Israel along with Israel's 200-400 nuclear bombs is a threat to every Arab nation! It must be recognized by all US citizens that there will not be peace until Israel stops taking land and wealth from the Arabs.
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January 18th, 2010 at 11:52 am
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ZionismIsRacism
January 18th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
"The vitriolic anti-Israel responders on this web site should enjoy some of this article" aka everyone but the pathetic low-life paid hasbara shills ie YOU. If you love the "state" of "israel" so much, please move there so we can have one less traitor in the US that puts the "chosen people" state before their own country.
Advocat4Liberty
January 18th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
pwi, would peace within the 1947 borders be acceptable? If not, why?
January 18, 2010 « Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes?
January 18th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
[...] All of this might be dismissed as a joke, if American life weren’t filled with phantasmagoric terrors that are also money machines. Everywhere that fear rules, from the U.S. to Israel, there are people exploiting and making money off it – and it’s in the nature of the beast for them to want the gift-that-never-stops-giving to go on forever.” http://original.antiwar.com/engelhardt/2010/01/17/the-wages-of-fear-in-israel/ [...]
LibertarianToday.com
January 18th, 2010 at 10:25 pm
In Englehardt’s opening monologue, he seems to proceed as if Big Government’s leveraging of fear into extraction of resources from the American masses and the world in order to grow government and government largesse is something relatively new. It’s not.
Since 1913 and the birth of the Federal Reserve System and it’s accompanying fiat money, name one big national disaster or emergency that wasn’t exploited to grow government. There are none. And America has been in a near constant state of war since.
This is because the federal government needs to keep the population in a constant state of agitation and fear in order to justify and realize the growth of government (both domestically and internationally) necessary to keep the fiat money (aka monopoly money) system propped up at the point of a gun.
pwi
January 19th, 2010 at 12:04 am
Sorry that not everyone thinks the way you do. I and the power brokers in Washington really don't care what you think or what truth you believe in about Israel, the fact is Israel is there and nothing you can do will change that.
pwi
January 19th, 2010 at 12:14 am
Its good to see the ANTIWAR movement can be filled with hate. It shows even those who think they are special aren't. And one man's traitor is another man's hero. Cheers!
Advocat4Liberty
January 19th, 2010 at 1:36 am
My apologies, I didn't mean to go right over your head. In1947, borders of Israel didn't exist. They hadn't completed the appropriation of other people's land until 1948.
The point was, peace will be possible (not inevitable) when the people who were dispossessed are able to return to the homes.
Advocat4Liberty
January 19th, 2010 at 1:38 am
You're right, pee wee. Israel will self-destruct as a natural evolution when the U.S. economy collapses and there's no more money to prop it up.
Eve
January 19th, 2010 at 2:33 am
America wasn't founded on Zionism.
In fact, it seems to go against all that America stands for.
What more does anyone need to understand?
rose hunter
January 18th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
Peewiiiiiii, maybe you need to go back to the Wingers. We know the truth abt. BLOODYISRAEL and can't be dissuaded, by you by the IDF warriors, by AIPAC, by Rahmie the Zionist warwhore, go away
pwi
January 19th, 2010 at 2:56 am
Then I suppose peace will not be possible, in many areas of the world. Peace is not inevitable.
pwi
January 19th, 2010 at 3:07 am
I guess War is OK against some humans but not others. Coming here reinforces my faith that human nature will never evolve from hate and war.
ZionismIsRacism
January 19th, 2010 at 4:04 am
Im pretty sure your "chosen people" are incapable of any type of evolution because you are stuck in the holocaust ages where everyone is out to get you and the only way to be safe is kill everyone that isnt a jew. Yeh i seem to distinctly remember some other group of supremacists that had the same mindset, i guess thats why zio-nazi has become such a popular, truthful term. You're pathetic excuse for a "state" will collapse when there is no one else to leech off and the united states economy inevitably collapses. The weight of your own hubris probably won't help either. And i love how you admitted to being a traitor in a previous comment, at least you don't harbor any delusions that you are a good person and faithful to the country you reside in.
Advocat4Liberty
January 19th, 2010 at 4:32 am
I don't understand where you're coming from. I am ONLY referring (due to time and space limitations) to the situation in what is now the state of Israel, where a bunch of Europeans decided to punish Germany for crimes against Jews by giving other Jews land that was occupied at the time. Those people who survived were understandably pissed at being thrown out of their homes. Anything they did to reverse the situation was both understandable and fully justified. That the fight continues to this day is also understandable.
LibertarianToday.com
January 18th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
(cont'd) Internationally, the gun comes in the form of U.S. military bases ringing the globe; domestically, the gun comes in the form of dependency upon the military-industrial complex, the national security state, and the entire Leviathan of Big Government and all its “essential” pseudo-“services,” which coerces, intimidates, bullies, and outright buys-off any opposition from far Left to right-wing.
Eventually, this all inevitably devolves into fascism, necessary to keep the whole corrupt enterprise propped up, which is the phenomenon that Englehardt describes above — right down to the racialist component of rallying Americans around “God’s chosen people” of Israel to "rally the troops" and maintain the imperative of Big Government.
In short, we’ve all been slowly but steadily incorporated into the fascist swindle via this Big Government program or that, like junkies methodically addicted (and happily addicting themselves) to heroin, and now we’re so utterly dependant on the easy-money vice that we’re putty in the Left-Right fascists’ hands. — Chris Moore
pwi
January 19th, 2010 at 12:08 am
I don't know, that would be up to the players in the region to decide. I would assume REAL peace, maybe. But a peace that would within a short while bring more rockets and suicide bombers into "Israel proper". Well what do you think?
pwi
January 19th, 2010 at 8:58 am
^^^
A prime example of the hate and racism we will never be able to slip are hands from. I guess it would have been better for many here if Hitler had won. Very sad.
pwi
January 19th, 2010 at 9:04 am
If I were the palestinians I'd fight too. But I disagree that "anything" they did to "reverse the situation…was fully justified". Its that eye for an eye type of thinking that will make the whole world blind.
stevieb
January 19th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
What's sad is your pathetic attempt at appearing to be concerned about 'hate and racism'.
Very few, if any, believe it would have been better if Hitler had won. But we do know quite well that you only care about racism against Jews and don't give a fig about hatred against Arabs (or anybody else, really). And we know you think it would be better if the Arabs stopped resisting an illegal, immoral occupation and genocide of their people, leave their homes of thousands of years and let European and N.American Jews have their stolen land. That's the twisted line of reasoning we see from sick Israeli fanatics like yourself.
Unfortunately for you, the Palestinians and their supporters will never cease trying to get the land and rights stolen from them by Zionism. Ever.
ZionismIsRacism
January 19th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Newflash zionazi you ARENT a race If you were you'd all be the same skin color and look alike, but you don't. Shlomo Sand dispelled that stupid myth that you are genetically any different from other races. And no i dont think hitler should have won, i dont have anything against jews in general, just rabid zionists who nurture their "victim" image and turn the holocaust into an industry/excuse to ethnically cleanse all those palestinians who are the original inhabitants of the land you are slowly but surely stealing right from under them. No one falls for your snake oil anymore so go peddle it somewhere else.
ZionismIsRacism
January 19th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
bingo
pwi
January 19th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
I must correct my view, coming here reinforces my faith that human nature will never evolve from hate and war and racism.
Heck lets just annihilate the Israelis, every man, woman and child. Only the US is currently capable, that way you guys can cheer and post something positive and upbeat for a change.
BTW when have I said anything negative about the Palestinians or wished them ill. I guess if I just don't HATE like you guys I can't read and comment on anti-war matters.
Good and Evil I guess you really can't have one without the other.
Cheers!
Advocat4Liberty
January 20th, 2010 at 12:00 am
Do you assert that the Palestinians do NOT have the right to use force to recover their property that was taken by force?
ZionismIsRacism
January 19th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
No one ever said lets kill all the israeli's. If you defend israel or its actions you are wishing ill on palestinians. you cant say that you support israel but you DONT support ethnic cleansing, apartheid, shooting with depleted uranium and dropping white phosphorous on innocent civilians (including many children)
pwi
January 20th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Everyone has the right to use force. It is clearly one of the prevelent ways humans act and react.