Nine Republican members of the House sided with Democrats in July to start bringing troops home from Afghanistan. Though one can still count on two hands the number of congressional Republicans who publicly oppose the war, this latest development is not insignificant.
Only five Republicans had the guts to cast a similar vote three and a half months ago.
Coupled with recent statements by GOP chief Michael Steele and Ann Coulter – and now World Net Daily’s Joseph Farah – criticizing the Afghanistan war policy, it’s clear something is happening. Antiwar.com recently interviewed Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, who just broke ranks with the GOP to vote against funding the war in Afghanistan. His decision was not easy, nor a particularly popular one with the party machine. But to be frank, like Steele and Coulter, he is no Rep. Ron Paul, R-TX, the most consistent anti-interventionist conservative in congress today. For Chaffetz and others, withdrawing from Afghanistan has more to do with the way Obama is running the war and the perceived hopelessness of the situation than an existential critique about global meddling and the greater war on terror.
For these new members of the war opposition, big budgets and nation building are unsustainable now. They complain the nation is “war weary.”
But don’t discount their support for a potential strike against the Iranian regime, or counter-terrorist operations in Yemen or Somalia – that’s another story.
“I’m about as hawkish as they come,” Chaffetz assured me in our interview, pointing out that “Iran is a bigger threat” than the Taliban or even Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.
“The Ron Paul non-interventionism is not catching on among the people, but the people will certainly be very grateful not be stuck in this quagmire,” offered Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., who was one of the Republicans voting for withdrawal on July 1 and has been an outspoken critic of the war policies in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Therein lies the challenge. Whether it be Code Pink or Campaign for Liberty, conservative non-interventionists or the new wave of war-weary Republicans – they all share a desire for ending the current war – they just don’t agree on future ones. But if they want to force the hands of Congress and the White House on Afghanistan, it would seem they must make common cause, at least temporarily.
Is it a bridge too far?
Jason Chaffetz is probably as right-wing as they come. He converted to Mormonism and became a member of LDS (Church of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) while playing football for Brigham Young University. Soon after, he converted to Republicanism, too (his father was once married to Kitty Dukakis, and 18-year-old Jason worked on Mike Dukakis’s 1988 presidential campaign in Utah). Chaffetz won his House seat in 2008 by running to the right of uber-conservative Rep. Chris Cannon, R-Utah, beating the six-term incumbent in a primary by 20 points.
Since then, he’s voted as any rock-ribbed Republican would. He’s been particularly hot on fiscal issues (he insists he’s sleeping on a cot in his office, to save money) but made even bigger headlines when he proposed legislation in January to thwart the District of Columbia’s new gay marriage law.
Late last year, however, Chaffetz said he believed it was time to bring the troops home from Afghanistan, and in July, cast votes in support of two amendments – one that would have limited all war funding to the withdrawal of troops, and another requiring President Obama to produce a detailed plan for withdrawal by April 2011.
“I don’t believe 100,000 troops on the ground is going to make the situation better,” Chaffetz, 43, told Antiwar.com last week. “The hesitancy from a lot of Republicans is they don’t want to be seen as cut and run, or soft on the defense issue. But I think it’s a very solid conservative viewpoint.”
His viewpoint: that if there is really only 50 to 100 al Qaeda left in Afghanistan, then “we’ve had great success …let’s scale back and bring [the troops] home.” In addition to the fiscal toll it’s taking on the U.S. taxpayer, “I am also opposed to nation building. I don’t believe we can put soldiers on every street corner and have them be that nation’s police officers.”
But Chaffetz also blames Obama for pursuing what he says is an unfocused mission and for instituting stricter “rules of engagement” on the battlefield that have handicapped American troops and prevented them from “going big” in Afghanistan (though the so-called “population centric” rules were first conceived by Gen. David Petraeus and executed in Afghanistan by Gen. Stanley McChrystal).
“The United States military forces are capable of achieving anything and everything. But I really believe that if you are going to do what the military does best you should be able to use every available asset you have. Go big or go home.” Meanwhile, “I just don’t see the President defining success or demonstrating what victory looks like, instead he is showing hesitancy about what it takes to win. That’s not a formula for success.”
His position is certainly a mixed bag, but not unusual for Republicans now emerging as new critics against the war, like Steele and Coulter, who Chaffetz invokes during our interview. On one hand, he believes the Taliban is no longer a “clear and present danger” to the United States, nor a significant threat to the central government. On the other hand, if Obama had been effective and let the military “go big,” we could have won it all.
Though he now joins company on Capitol Hill with Rep. Paul and Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C, an anti-interventionist war skeptic Chaffetz is not. Like conservative George Will – and Democratic Vice President Joe Biden – he believes there will be some sort of residual force left behind in Afghanistan, “in terms of intelligence and maybe drones, and keeping some bases there.” For Chaffetz, the long arm of the U. S military is better focused elsewhere.
“The threat of terrorism is not confined to the borders of Afghanistan. Terrorism is a worldwide threat … Iran is a bigger threat (than Afghanistan),” he said.
“When they come out with actionable intelligence, and you have a problem, then take care of it. If you have a problem with Iran, take care of it. Our forces are going to have to be increasingly mobile, and fighting these long term nation-building operations – I just don’t think it is the proper role of our military.”
While he does not agree with Paul on war, he said he has “very, very similar” views with Republican colleagues who have bucked the party line on Afghanistan in the last year. Those lawmakers – staunch conservatives all – include Rep. John Duncan, R-TN, who said in March “there is nothing conservative about the war in Afghanistan, in fact it goes against every traditional conservative position that I’ve ever known.” He also joins Rep. Tim Johnson, R-Ill., Rep. Dave Campbell and Rep. Rohrabacher, who told an audience at the Cato Institute in March that invading Iraq was “a horrible mistake.”
Chaffetz concurs. “Based on the intelligence on Iraq at the time, I probably would have voted for it. Now that we know what we know now, we should have never gone. [Saddam Hussein] was not a clear and present threat to the United States or the world’s future.”
Rohrabacher’s claim that “pacifism, isolationism or non-intervention as a philosophy is not taking hold,” could be quite true. We know the vast majority of Republicans would never admit to identifying with the first two, and though there has been a building libertarian influence on the Tea Party movement, it has so far not translated into a noticeable conversion of its disciples into the kind of non-interventionist conservatism found here at Antiwar.com, or places like The American Conservative magazine (TAC).
Nevertheless, Tea Party favorites like Rand Paul, son of Ron Paul, who is running for U.S. Senate as a Republican in Kentucky, are harnessing the above-mentioned gripes – overspending and nation-building being the biggest – to question our continued involvement in Afghanistan. And it just may be working.
Jim Antle III, writing for TAC in its August issue, says this:
“Although the Tea Party has an identifiable antiwar wing – one poll found that the elder Paul was the group’s second-most admired politician, after Sarah Palin – by and large the Tea Partiers’ instinctive patriotism makes them a tough audience for criticism of U.S. intervention. To them, the relevant question is whose side are you on? They know they are on America’s.
“But there is a limit to their willingness to spend American blood and treasure, especially as the nation teeters at the brink of insolvency.”
TAC managing editor Daniel McCarthy, who also works with the Campaign for Liberty, says this forces Republicans like Chaffetz to perform a careful balancing act:
“Their base expects them to affect a John Wayne swagger, so even when they take a ‘dovish’ position on a pointless conflict like the one in Afghanistan, they like to offset it with hawkish cawing about other wars we should be fighting. (In Iran, in Chaffetz’s case.) How much of that is rhetorical cover and how much they really believe is hard to say – and maybe it doesn’t matter.”
But criticizing a Democrat’s war while advocating others would not be an unusual path for Republicans, anyway, said McCarthy:
“It’s easy to forget, but the 1990s congressional Republicans who didn’t embrace [President] Clinton’s interventions [in eastern Europe] were not non-interventionists, either,” he said. “Many of them loved to rattle their sabers at China; some of them were even then fixated on Iraq and Iran. For that matter, the non-interventionist Right of the Robert A. Taft era was not really so non-interventionist.”
To that end, he would agree, that while Republicans like Chaffetz and Rohrabacher cannot be counted on to oppose future military action in places like Iran (which McCarthy is convinced the Democratically-controlled White House and Congress won’t support anyway), they might help us “enough so that they vote against persisting in our Afghan folly.”
But conservative writer Daniel Larison warns against getting too excited about such reconverted Republican “realists”:
“If all that reclaiming ‘realist roots’ accomplished was to persuade Republicans to turn against the war in Afghanistan entirely, or to settle for George Will’s preferred recipe for future blowback, what would have really been gained? It isn’t going to make them less hawkish on Iran policy, and it is hardly going to make them more skeptical about using force to solve international disputes.… In practice, if the GOP ‘reclaimed its realist roots’ I wonder how much would change for the better.”
No matter how the conflict between the Rand Pauls and the Ron Pauls plays out, let’s face it, the real menace with the squeeze on the GOP and the larger foreign policy establishment is neoconservatism, a virtual Kraken that appears even more virulent than in 2003 when it propelled us into an ill-fated invasion and regime change in Iraq.
“[Neoconservatives] are not really conservatives at all, but they are supported by very large companies and individuals who benefit from the profession of war, and the billions of spending it requires,” noted Rep. Duncan in a March floor speech.
A good point, but the neoconservatives, much like radio jock (and Washington Times columnist) Jeff Kuhner, who engaged constitutional conservative Bruce Fein in an foreign policy debate sponsored by the Campaign for Liberty last week, traffic in emotional exploitation, the kind that will lead us right past the rational debates over nation-building and preemptive war and right into another hell-hole in Iran.
“The issue, to me, is do we confront a legitimate threat… do we face a legitimate threat from radical Islam? I think we do,” said Kuhner. He gets so worked up about the radicals’ hate and desire for global domination that his eyes bulge and tiny dry spittle starts to form at the corner of his mouth. He talks about things like assassinating Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (whose “mission is to destroy the United States”) and the coming invasion of Islamofascist warriors over the open U.S. border with Mexico, claiming there have been “thousands of prayer rugs and Korans” found strewn along the border. “The issue is then, do we fight them there or do we fight them over here?”
A typically effective pitch for Main Street. But the uneasiness, turning into anger and then a shout of “liar!” at one point from the previously staid audience at the Campaign for Liberty event, indicates that the Kuhners and their rhetoric have long reached a saturation point, at least with this non-interventionist, libertarian crowd. Whether they can convince their friends in the Tea Party and the growing number of war-weary Republicans like Chaffetz to tune it out for good, is another question, and the real test of any fragile “alliance” between the two conservative groups.
Read more by Kelley B. Vlahos
- Slowly, Toxic Vets Get Recognition – February 6th, 2012
- Meet John Kiriakou – January 30th, 2012
- Jack Murtha and the Ghosts of Haditha – January 23rd, 2012
- Michael Hastings vs. Team America – January 16th, 2012
- Mentally Unfit but Serving Anyway – January 9th, 2012






epppie
July 27th, 2010 at 4:26 am
If you Libertarians try to 'work with' these establishmentarian 'conservative' fascistic types, you'll get the same fate the Left got by trying to work with establishmentarian 'progressive' fascistic types.
Government Shills
July 27th, 2010 at 5:11 am
Be nice if the madness ended, seems doubtful though :(
paulBass
July 27th, 2010 at 3:14 am
the only time they turn anti this or that war is when they are worried that their current war might constrain their ability to fight the next one
geo1671
July 27th, 2010 at 11:30 am
All the Tea Party members voted approval and support for Israel to attack Iran. Or how about the Antiwar posted story from AP–Putin sings the KGB song to the homecoming Spies.
This thing about some Repubics wanting to end the war is just B.S..Just to sucker the voters to vote Republician.Recall the Democrats prior to 2008 election–change my @ss!
Alot of Demoos were againist the invasions,but once in power–same as the first.
Shame on Eric posting garbage AP stories–read it and see if antiwar is gunning for an attack on Russia in the the future.Did you notice the add in the AP story:^/
E. A. Costa
July 27th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
Quite an article you have here Mrs. Vlahos. I read it with relish and ate many a good number of sweets as I enjoyed your prose.
Brodajo
July 27th, 2010 at 6:32 am
After reading the article I came to the conclusion that if Mr Chaffetz was going to change religions he would have made a much better Jew than a Morman.
Brodajo
July 27th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Why must all of my comments be approved by the site admins – are they not Kosher enough?
FBastiat
July 27th, 2010 at 6:41 am
Obama's takeover of the war has indeed led to a divorce between the Spite Right and the neocons.
E. A. Costa
July 27th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
"We cannot promote democracy here at home if we cannot defend it in Denmark"
Charles A. Lindbergh
Bon appetit, mes enfants.
E. A. Costa
July 27th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
"The envious man has an unreasonable craving for things that do not belong to him, which is bad for his spiritual life. And if he were aware of this, he would no longer be envious. "
Raymond Lull
E. A. Costa
July 27th, 2010 at 6:17 pm
"Given that a rose is elemented, does it have an elementing instinct?"
Raymond Lull
E. A. Costa
July 27th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
"Beware of the military-industrial complex for it may negatively impact the virtue of these United States"
-Martin Luther King
Bon appetit, mes enfants.
Ira7Epstein
July 27th, 2010 at 8:09 pm
I think Chaffetz's opposition to the war in Afghanistan has to do more with the fact that it is now Obama's war, and Chaffetz being nothing but a Republican shill, is opposing it because Obama supports it. I am sure if a president with an "R" after his name was running the war he would be all for it. If funding for the Afghan war can be cut off with the support of Chaffetz that is all for the good. As for me, I do not trust him, Coulter, or Rand Paul (I do not care what his last name is), and I think it would be best for those in the antiwar/peace camp to have as little to do with them as possible.
E. A. Costa
July 27th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
How many John Smiths are there?
King opposed the war in Vietnam only late, and was warned by Hoover not to get involved in opposing the war.
He did anyway and was dead soon enough.
One gives him credit for that.
Other than that he was pure "Chrisitian" bullshit and a hypocrite.
Muhammad Ali was the real hero, not windbag King, who did not have the gumption to do himself what Rosa Parks did.
King is almost as much of a fraud as Lincoln was, or Obama.
E. A. Costa
July 27th, 2010 at 8:39 pm
How many John Smiths are there?
You are way over your head, little fellah.
E. A. Costa
July 27th, 2010 at 8:40 pm
Capitalism as a system moves inevitably toward Finance Capitalism, and with Finance Capitalism, both to war and empire.
The Libertarians and other right wingers at antiwar are thus both utopians and regressive.
They deny the connection between Capitalism and Finance Captialism, and also the inevitable connection of Capitalism to war and empire.
Having stolen the "antiwar" from the mostly Left opposition of the Vietnam, they turn it to regressive purposes economically and socially.
The only thing the Left should be interested in is Anti-Capitlaism, which is by definition also antiwar and antimperialist.
The antiwar site is incrasingly a bad joke.
generalissimo x
July 27th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
the bottom line is as raimondo often writes there is only one party: the war party. they only argue about to prosecute war, but none of them are against intervention. the travesty of this is they all stand there and swear an oath to defend the constitution. the most offensive thing of all this is that not only do they break our own rule of law, they flagrantly disgregard the wisdom of our founding fathers. there isn't a person in washington d.c. with the breadth of intelligence of a thomas jefferson, or benjamin franklin etc. etc.
the two party left right paradigm has destroyed our republic and lowered the intellectual discourse to zero in this country. they are both criminal syndicates that need to pay for their crimes.
E. A. Costa
July 27th, 2010 at 10:14 pm
So why do things not get better than they do? Years have passed since things got better for we have strived from the constitution. Where is the change Obama – that is the grand question. We will restore the virtue of the republic with our virtue.
E. A. Costa
July 27th, 2010 at 10:14 pm
Virtue is key.
E. A. Costa
July 27th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
"You have to try new things. Try the virtue of the Republic. For it is sacred."
-Charles Bronson
Bon appetit, mes enfants.
E. A. Costa
July 27th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
Another emblem–explicate or be quiet, little fellah.
Why don't you start with the Latin Virtus–a world awaits with bated breath.
E. A. Costa
July 27th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Bullshit.
E. A. Costa
July 27th, 2010 at 11:05 pm
The moron blathers on.
What virtus? What Res publica?
E. A. Costa
July 27th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
So what price do you money grubbing White Racist Protestants pay for "virtue" nowadays, and at what price does "virtue" sell itself to you, moron.
E. A. Costa
July 27th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
Sorry–Res publica restituta is not in the cards, as you well know.
E. A. Costa
July 27th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
"that is the grand question"
HAHAHAHA.
MoT
July 27th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
These clowns, whether with an "R" or a "D" next to their names, spend your hard earned money like drunken sailors whenever it suits them. And since when has it not? We've been in one backwater nation now for nearly a deacade and they're NOW getting uppity about how it's "handled"? What a gaggle of raving lunatics! My old man used to tell me that all of Congress needed to be drug out and shot. Either that or a lifetime of exile for them, their staff and all family members for the rest of their natural lives upon pain of death should they return. Time to clean house from top to bottom because they only understand the language of violence and theft of which they've become quite masterful at inflicting upon the "peasants". And unless they get THAT kind of dose of reality you can forget anything ever changing. Dialoguing with these bastards only buys them time to weasel more money out of the public coffers and enact laws to punish YOU for figuring out the game is rigged.
Mechanized
July 27th, 2010 at 11:39 pm
As a libertarian with strict antiwar views I consider any "cooperation" with what are essentially neoconservatives hypocritical, self-defeating, perhaps even catastrophic.
E. A. Costa
July 28th, 2010 at 12:25 am
"Our civilization is a schizophrenic one that thinks its own value, its main value is fake."
Jean-Luc Nancy
E. A. Costa
July 27th, 2010 at 7:05 pm
"Battering their 'inferiors' with a dizzying array of cleverly crafted psychological assaults from cradle to grave, the plutocracy maintains the mass delusion that a system that exploits and impoverishes a majority of the population, rapes the Earth, and necessitates endless resource wars represents the pinnacle of our socioeconomic development."
Jason Milner
E. A. Costa
July 28th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
I'm gay!
seannielson
July 28th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
Great faces of the new world.
Sean
Paul Revere
July 29th, 2010 at 2:06 am
Part – 1 -Barak Obama and Hilary Clinton,The Bilderberg Group, are war mongering to start World War III with Iran! American and Iraeli ships are sitting off-shore of Iran, Sabre rattling and war mongering, to the orders of Obama, Hilary Clinton and the Global Elitist Bilderberg Group!
They are also Expanding the war with Pakistan greatly!
A former senior advisor to President Bill Clinton says that the only thing which can rescue Barack Obama’s increasingly tenuous grip on power as his approval figures continue to plunge is a terror attack on the scale of Oklahoma City or 9/11, another startling reminder that such events only ever serve to benefit those in authority.
Buried in a Financial Times article about Obama’s “growing credibility crisis” and fears on behalf of Democrats that they could lose not only the White House but also the Senate to Republicans, Robert Shapiro makes it clear that Obama is relying on an October surprise in the form of a terror attack to rescue his presidency.
Paul Revere
July 29th, 2010 at 2:07 am
Part 2 – “The bottom line here is that Americans don’t believe in President Obama’s leadership,” said Shapiro, adding, “He has to find some way between now and November of demonstrating that he is a leader who can command confidence and, short of a 9/11 event or an Oklahoma City bombing, I can’t think of how he could do that.”
Shapiro’s veiled warning should not be dismissed lightly. He was undersecretary of commerce for economic affairs dung Clinton’s tenure in the Oval Office and also acted as principal economic adviser to Clinton in his 1991-1992 campaign. Shapiro is now Director of the Globalization Initiative of NDN and also Chair of the Climate Task Force. He is a prominent globalist who has attended numerous Bilderberg Group meetings over the past decade.
Complete article at: http://my.auburnjournal.com/detail/154412.html
Two minute Newsclip – TWO Party Paradyne System News clip: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2824363/the_obama_d…
Paul Revere
July 29th, 2010 at 2:08 am
The reasons why, we must vote out, Establishment Government Representatives, whether they are Left or Right – Incumbent or Candidate!
Make sure they do not belong to any of the Global Elitist Organizations: Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, Club of Rome, Skull and Bones, Canadian Council of Chief Executives,
Harvard Elite Players, Goldman Sachs, International Monetary Fund, The United Nations, World Health Organization, World Trade Organization.
The reason we must vote out Establishment Government Representatives whether they are Left or Right, Incumbent or Candidate is explained on this 2 minute News Clip below:
TWO Party Paradyne System News clip: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2824363/the_obama_d…
drewhause
July 30th, 2010 at 8:35 am
Makes me not want to look.
Charles
V for Vendetta
August 1st, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Republicans have never been antiwar beginning with their unconstitutional, immoral, unjustified and murderous invasion of the Southern states in 1860. That is because those who profit from war have always been primarily linked to the Republican party.
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