Afghanistan War: Why Are We Doing It?
Statement in the House by Rep. Tim Johnson of Illinois on funding the war in Afghanistan.
I stand in opposition to this rule and in sincere but deep opposition to this $63 billion massive spending bill, and particularly the war spending component of the bill.
I speak, I believe, on the behalf of the hundreds of thousands of brave men and women who serve America in the Middle East with neither a defined objective nor the ability to assess victory or defeat; and on behalf of families of our military personnel around the world who have lost their fathers or their mothers or their sons or their daughters in a valiant but shortsighted effort and battle that can never be won; and on behalf of the American taxpayers who have seen more than $1 trillion poured into an attempt to fight terror, where there is not even a remote relationship to the welfare of the American people; and really, also, on behalf of the innocent children who have had the misfortune to simply be in the ever-changing line of fire and the vicinity of terrorists who move effortlessly from Iraq to Somalia to Yemen to Paraguay to Afghanistan like the Whack-a-Mole at the county fair in the form of unconventional and ill-defined tribal warfare that 2,000 years have taught us we simply cannot fight.
I think it was November of 1952, when I was about 6 years old, that Charles Schultz and his Peanuts comic strip came out with the annual saga where, every year, Charlie Brown comes up to the football, and Lucy tells Charlie Brown year after year, "Just one more time, we’ll let you kick ball." And each year, she pulled the football out, only to find Charlie Brown on his rear end.
I would suggest to you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, in this somewhat stretched analogy, that a series of Commanders-in-Chief are Lucy, and we’re Charlie Brown, and the football is the illusive promise of a goal that we simply cannot reach. We cannot force a culture to accept our values, and we cannot impose Western democracy on a people who don’t understand or accept it and whose leadership is corrupt and antidemocratic beyond repair. And we cannot continue to spend the billions and, arguably, trillions of dollars of the hardworking men and women in this country in a venture that has no objective, no end game, and no proximate connection to the well-being of our Nation.
In conclusion, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, we cannot afford economically, we cannot afford militarily, and we cannot afford as a people to pass this bill. This President who, frankly, won an election based on his strong antiwar message, like many of his predecessors, asked us one more time to spend a few more billion dollars — in this case $38 billion — and a few thousand more men and women in an effort to kick the football just one more time. It simply isn’t doable.
I suggest to you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, that this rule underlies a bill that the vast majority, I believe, of the American people don’t want. I represent a district in central Illinois, and I think I speak in many ways for middle America. I voted for the authorization of force in Iraq and, frankly, Afghanistan; and I believe, like many of us, I may have questioned my vote. But I believe that we’re the greatest nation on Earth, thanks in large part to the generations of fighting men and women who have given their lives to this great cause and democracy and this great Nation of ours.
As we prepare to celebrate our independence in a few days, I think I speak on behalf of the average American citizen who says, For what? What is this money being expended for? Why are we doing it? And what’s the end game? And I would suggest to you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, that there is no end game, and I would respectfully ask that this rule and the underlying bill be defeated.





1966VietnamWarVet
July 3rd, 2010 at 4:46 am
Good question – "for what?" NO one has even defined what 'winning' or 'getting the job done' is?
It is all a waste!
E. A. Costa
July 3rd, 2010 at 4:59 am
"the hundreds of thousands of brave men and women who serve America".
Serving whom?
Anyway this was all predictable–and was actually predicted by many–even before it began. And that also applies to Iraq.
A bit of reflexivity may be in order–why was there no US politician predicting it nine years ago?
Not only that, why weren't they listening to the very people who have been proved right?
And finally, given that the US gets out of the present mess in one piece, which is very unlikely, what is to prevent the whole course into this disaster from being repeated again, just as Vietnam is now being repeated, except a hundred times worse?
Is there a US politico even capable of asking those questions, let alone arriving at any useful answers?
Pardon the scepicism.
JLS
July 3rd, 2010 at 5:06 am
"the hundreds of thousands of brave men and women who serve America".
Serving whom?
Thank you E.A.!
Andron
July 3rd, 2010 at 8:01 am
We are doing it because we blindly follow people who blatantly lie when seeking election to be Leaders of this once great country.
Like in the "Pied Piper Of Hamlin"we are rats who blindly follow The Piper, to our eventual destruction.
bogi666
July 3rd, 2010 at 8:38 am
'Winning' has nothing to do with it,Pentagon spending is what these invasions are all about. FYI, there was never a country of south Vietnam, it was concocted and existed only in the minds of the USG propagandists. By not identifying 'winning' it provides for continuous military atrocities=more spending. The Pentagon has more to lose by 'winning' than by losing or even a stalemate.
bogi666
July 3rd, 2010 at 8:50 am
Their were several people whom were right about the Afghanistan/Iraq invasions ending in failure. Just no one in the government or the MSM which just recites the USG propaganda.Brave men and women what a crock, just more mindlessness propaganda perpetrated by the USG/MSM which uses psychopathic optimism to brainwash thier audiences.I talked to one of the 'brave' who was justifying his terrorism in Iraq by saying he was building schools there. I mentioned to him that if the USG hadn't bombed those schools they wouldn't need to be rebuilt at American taxpayers expense. He was befuddled as that had never crossed his mindlessness, mind. This is the example of the caliber of our 'brave' troops, mindlessness idiot, illiterate morons. Just look at the Generals parading around with a chest full of medals they have appropriated from dead generals grave in South America.
guest
July 3rd, 2010 at 9:52 am
money
Steve
July 3rd, 2010 at 1:05 pm
There are trillions of dollars from valuable minerals to be made, so spending a trillion or so on the military subversion is a small investment for the future returns of U.S. corporations. Lives aside. The U.S. oil companies are just starting to turn a profit in Iraq now and basically the country's citizens can protect themselves. So eventually Afganistan will be tamed…just a tougher job.
V for Vendetta
July 3rd, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Afghanistan War: Why Are We Doing It? My God, is the congressman really that stupid? Our thoroughly corrupt and criminal ruling political-banking-corporate crime syndicate is "doing it" for these reasons: oil pipelines, minerals and control of the dope trade. Got it congressman?
E. A. Costa
July 3rd, 2010 at 2:18 pm
"Well, it’s never been clear to me that through war we can bring peace, especially when we’re the invaders, we’re the ones using drones. We’re causing civilian deaths to many people who would otherwise be more friendly to us. We’re creating the terrorists. This is not being lost on most of the people in the country now. Our constituents now want us out of both Afghanistan and Iraq, and what we’re doing now is forming a way to discuss this with our president in an effort to make him more comfortable with doing what most people want him to do and what we thought he was going to do in the first place, namely, to clearly disengage from the military, increase the diplomatic activity, and bring in some help in terms of food supplies, aid, and positive build up of these countries and to make as many friends as we can over there rather than this ninth year of what has now become a debacle in every respect.
John Conyers
DonT
July 3rd, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Ron Paul gets as close as any.
E. A. Costa
July 3rd, 2010 at 5:28 pm
Paul had his chance. All he did was defuse a large antiwar vote, which is exactly why the Neo-Cons funded him in the primaries.
And his economics are not only wrong-headed and naive but brutal and Social Darwinist.
If he is really antiwar left him throw his support to the antiwar Left.
Interesting by the way that during Vietnam he was in the military. Guess he wasn't against antiwar then when he could get a residency out of it.
End of story.
agent toads ON ok
July 3rd, 2010 at 8:29 pm
don't forget inertia at the star chamber,aka the pentacle,regaurds,free parking near the Iranian position on hipocracy,the zionistic acme america century,the NPT in power stall mode & denial to Oriental progressive efficeincies,just another day at the office in the scheme of "things",of not much concern to your everyday collatorial Afghannee civilian casuality,ka-chunk,ching,or any thing else besides the twisted cross,a swastaka & economic dogma in free fall tailspin,and rightly so if i may chime in,see thair is a roman god of planatary magnatude and scale,STAND CLEAR,caution,caution,safety overload,oo,,,does not "compute"
Heathcliff_Maw
July 3rd, 2010 at 10:18 pm
How many love beads was he wearing? Did he have a flower in his hair? What a surrender monkey!
(I'm practicing for my audition for Fox News.)
Nike
July 4th, 2010 at 11:42 am
Right on, Heathcliff, 'winning in Afghanistan' – McCrystal's replacement used the very term just this morning – involves only a public relations victory, avoiding the blame for 'handing the Taliban a victory,' for avoiding the political fallout of a withdrawal. Amazing that so many people are dying in Afghanistan so that the spineless fools running for election in November can pretend to be a tough guys.
homer
July 4th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
"Waste" is the issue.
Samuel Di Muzio
July 4th, 2010 at 7:11 pm
Rep. Tim Johnson…stand tall. More politicians are coming on to your side. Will take awhile. Likes of McCain, Lieberman, Biden, Obama, Cheney, Graham…examples of clever ideots…will fade.
E. A. Costa
July 4th, 2010 at 7:44 pm
Johnson, a Republican, has been in the House of Representatives since 2001.
Perhaps the Congressman can detail his votes in regard to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
Perhaps the Congressman can tell the people whether he joined in Kucinich's motions to impeach Cheney, then Bush.
Reed Richards
July 5th, 2010 at 3:15 am
E.A. Costa,
Rep. Johnson plays the "woe is me" and half-hearted apology card. He only makes the case for voting against the money only on the basis of "no end game" goals, etc. He also makes the half hearted belated thought that that his votes for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq might have been misguided instead of coming straight out and saying, "I made a mistake and that my votes were wrong". These people are pieces of work. No sane, rational, and intelligent person who has any level of respect for human life should have voted for either the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq. Both wars are illegal and immoral and we have no right to be in either place to dictate terms of an occupation. Start there. And once you begin there, you will automatically come to the conclusion that both wars must end, and sooner rather than later…………………..
E. A. Costa
July 5th, 2010 at 4:47 am
Best short headline about Petraeus in Afghanistan so far: "Hope of Good Afghan Exit Faint".
Australian naturally.
obama
November 2nd, 2010 at 3:12 am
why do always americans say "we are the greatest country in the world" when in most cases, they havent even been outside their little box. Gringos only know fast food and coorporatives, plastic faces and brands, shopping malls and bill boards. (except some few) If the world meaning US, ok, its your world. But the world- wake up. What a disgrace this tacky culture tried to create a fast-food-hollywood-cultural-economical empire around the world. stay where you are and stop trying to impose your weird ways onto the rest. Beauty of life is difference! respect. leave the muslims alone. let them build a mosque in new york. jez, goddam militant fascists- and most people dont even know it themselves.