It Is Official: The US Is A Police State
On September 24, Jason Ditz reported on Antiwar.com that "the FBI is confirming that this morning they began a number of raids against the homes of antiwar activists in Illinois, Minneapolis, Michigan, and North Carolina, claiming that they are ‘seeking evidence relating to activities concerning the material support of terrorism.’"
Now we know what Homeland Security (sic) secretary Janet Napolitano meant when she said on September 10: "The old view that ‘if we fight the terrorists abroad, we won’t have to fight them here’ is just that — the old view." The new view, Napolitano said, is "to counter violent extremism right here at home."
"Violent extremism" is one of those undefined police state terms that will mean whatever the government wants it to mean. In this morning’s FBI foray into the homes of American citizens of conscience, it means antiwar activists, whose activities are equated with "the material support of terrorism," just as conservatives equated Vietnam era antiwar protesters with giving material support to communism.
Antiwar activist Mick Kelly, whose home was raided, sees the FBI raids as harassment to intimidate those who organize war protests. I wonder if Kelly is underestimating the threat. The FBI’s own words clearly indicate that the federal police agency and the judges who signed the warrants do not regard antiwar protesters as Americans exercising their Constitutional rights, but as unpatriotic elements offering material support to terrorism.
"Material support" is another of those undefined police state terms. In this context the term means that Americans who fail to believe their government’s lies and instead protest its policies, are supporting their government’s declared enemies and, thus, are not exercising their civil liberties but committing treason.
As this initial FBI foray is a softening up move to get the public accustomed to the idea that the real terrorists are their fellow citizens here at home, Kelly will get off this time. But next time the FBI will find emails on his computer from a "terrorist group" set up by the CIA that will incriminate him. Under the practices put in place by the Bush and Obama regimes, and approved by corrupt federal judges, protesters who have been compromised by fake terrorist groups can be declared "enemy combatants" and sent off to Egypt, Poland, or some other corrupt American puppet state — Canada perhaps — to be tortured until confession is forthcoming that antiwar protesters and, indeed, every critic of the US government, are on Osama bin Laden’s payroll.
Almost every Republican and conservative and, indeed, the majority of Americans will fall for this, only to find, later, that it is subversive to complain that their Social Security was cut in the interest of the war against Iran or some other demonized entity, or that they couldn’t have a Medicare operation because the wars in Central Asia and South America required the money.
Americans are the most gullible people who ever existed. They tend to support the government instead of the Constitution, and almost every Republican and conservative regards civil liberty as a coddling device that encourages criminals and terrorists.
The US media, highly concentrated in violation of the American principle of a diverse and independent media, will lend its support to the witch hunts that will close down all protests and independent thought in the US over the next few years. As the Nazi leader Joseph Goebbels said, "think of the press as a great keyboard on which the Government can play."
An American Police State was inevitable once Americans let "their" government get away with 9/11. Americans are too gullible, too uneducated, and too jingoistic to remain a free people. As another Nazi leader Herman Goering said, "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. Tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace-makers for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger."
This is precisely what the Bush and Obama regimes have done. America, as people of my generation knew it, no longer exists.
Read more by Paul Craig Roberts
- The Shame of Being an American – February 16th, 2011
- Kleptocrats at Work – February 6th, 2011
- Things Have to Change in Order to Remain the Same – January 31st, 2011
- Western Civilization Has Shed Its Values – December 5th, 2010
- A Government Caught Up in Mendacity and Lies – December 1st, 2010





Avi of Mondoweiss
September 25th, 2010 at 1:11 am
Israel has recently passed similar legislation which labels a terrorist anyone who comes in contact with so-called "hostile elements". The legislation makes it clear that whether the accused came in contact with "hostile elements" knowingly or unknowingly is irrelevant. And the government's definition of a "hostile element" can be as broad and vague needed. That's exactly the scenario represented in the movie Rendition. One lousy phone call received from some terrorist who happened to dial the wrong number landed an innocent man in a torture chamber. That's all it took.
I guess we're all better off just wandering into the woods and living in caves like bats, in the darkness.
Nike
September 25th, 2010 at 4:14 am
Is Roberts drinking with Hitchens again? Tell me, when did Canada start running US-style torture chambers? Where's the source? I personally will get into my 4X4 and drive it through the front doors of this place if Paul Craig Roberts will back up his claim and kindly inform his readers where this gulag is located. One single source is all I ask. Just one. I'm waiting.
Druthers
September 25th, 2010 at 4:30 am
What I fear the most is that many and probably a majority of Americans agree with and approve of this policy and action. That is why the administration now feels free enough to launch campaigns to smear and associate anti-war and protest groups with a few words – danger, terrorists, fear.
For the world the prospects are even worse; Those in power dispose of nuclear weapons and a powerful military apparatus with the project of weaponizing space to ensure TOTAL WORLD control.
All the benefits of human labor are being confiscated for military purposes and destruction.
We are building the new pyramids, tombs for our civilization.
jojo
September 25th, 2010 at 5:20 am
Nike–I'm canadian, question the hollowcaust and could be arrested. Canada is very rabid in Zionist controlled.Our media is no differant,lies lies.Recall George Gallaway-ouster from canada? Look at the UN when it comes to Israel/palestine issues–Canada is another state of israel–blocks Israel from being booted out from UN-all the time. Try this–call any canadian Fed politician and question Israel's treatment of the native arabs. I tried and was told–get lost and cautioned–anyone that does is reported directly to RCMP
oneselbow
September 25th, 2010 at 5:21 am
Yes, 9/11 made the US government recognize the extent of its own power to fool the American people. It has been exploiting that power ever since.
jojo
September 25th, 2010 at 5:26 am
Bravo! about Time reported on antiwar– Hint Sept 11 2001 was an inside job.When will Americans wake-up and stop the government from using Americans as Human Bait to sucker the rest to support invasions and mass killings for the yankee dollar. By the way, dig deep, Canada was an accomplus in the 911 attacks and both invasions.
Ron Johnson
September 25th, 2010 at 5:35 am
I think he was noting that Canada is just another "corrupt American puppet state." Perhaps a bit of hyperbole by including it with the list of known torture states…but future possibility. I didn't take it as accusing Canada of currently torturing.
On the other hand, I saw what Canada did with the G20 protesters. Anything is possible.
Edward
September 25th, 2010 at 5:37 am
Martin Peretz recently blogged that Muslims do not deserve free speech rights. I wonder if he was reflecting a more general opinion among the elite.
I think the IMF and world bank are also concerned about social unrest from the growing economic crisis. Maybe this is a dry run to control that unrest.
Don Bacon
September 25th, 2010 at 5:43 am
"But next time the FBI will find emails on his computer from a "terrorist group" set up by the CIA that will incriminate him."
Would the FBI do that?
Yes.
Gerry Spence, the famous trial lawyer: "I found that the minions of the law–the special agents of the FBI–to be men who proved themselves not only fully capable, but also utterly willing to manufacture evidence, to conceal crucial evidence and even to change the rules that governed life and death if, in the prosecution of the accused, it seemed expedient to do so."–From Freedom to Slavery, p. 27
boutet
September 25th, 2010 at 5:49 am
America has ALWAYS been an on demand police state, now it's 24/7. From Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus to the rounding up of Japanese Americans, the Constitution has always been discarded whenever convenient. The difference is only now the police state is permanent and the Constitution shredded by the Patriot Act, illegal wars sanctioned by the Executive Branch, and thousands of conspiracies conducted by the FBI and Justice Department against American citizens. When informants became a cheap and easy substitute for police work, the Constitution was rendered a meaningless document.
JLS
September 25th, 2010 at 6:44 am
Or we could emigrate to a fee country if there are any left.
xavier
September 25th, 2010 at 7:21 am
FBI is looking more and more like the Mossad
Paul H
September 25th, 2010 at 7:41 am
i got to see first hand Toronto turn into a police state in the run up to the G20 and then throughout. It was sickening.
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Druthers
September 25th, 2010 at 9:14 am
And the KGB
V for Vendetta
September 25th, 2010 at 9:33 am
Switzerland.
V for Vendetta
September 25th, 2010 at 9:57 am
Mr. Roberts said; "An American Police State was inevitable once Americans let "their" government get away with 9/11." It would seem that he is now convinced that certain elements of the US goverment were involved in the planning and execution of 9/11. From the evidence I've studied, I would say that is certainly the case. 9/11 was just the excuse the Washington/Wall Street Ruling Establishment needed to strip constitutional liberties from all Americans and to launch perpetual wars for perpetual profits. For anyone who doesn't believe that the Wall Street-controlled US government isn't capable of planning and executing such a despicable, heinous and evil act as 9/11, I urge you to google Operation Northwoods.
Justin S.
September 25th, 2010 at 10:10 am
I would highly recommend this book to anyone who is interested in the issues of freedom/liberty (or lack of) in the US.
Old Hippie
September 25th, 2010 at 11:52 am
I like Mr. Roberts for speaking about this.
But, he's incorrect when stating this has been done under Bush and Obama. It was happening under Clinton (remember Waco, Ruby Ridge, Elian Gonzalez etc), And it started way back under Ronald Reagan, who Mr. Roberts served as an official.
It was under Reagan that we saw giant escalations in both the militarization of police forces and the creating of the concentrated media power that we see today. Both these trends date back to those days.
And pay attention to the latter, as it was a key point in creating this. Every city used to have independent TV, radio and newspapers. All the newspapers weren't owned by Gannett and friends, and Clear Channel didn't own all the radio stations. It was under Ronald Reagan that we started to see the media mergers that ended the day of independent media and which instead created these current giant media conglomates that now make sure there will be no Walter Cronkites reporting on the protestors being attacked with firehoses and police dogs.
This was all done under the propaganda line of a 'free-market'. Which the conservatives of this country bought hook, line and sinker. So long as they could call their brokers and get a piece of the pie themselves.
The die-hard voters of both the Republican and Democratic parties bear a lot of the blame for this for at various times believing the propaganda lines out of each that have accompanied this long march into darkness.
Mr. Roberts can morn the loss of the America that his generation knew. But at least my generation was out in the streets protesting this and trying to stop it. And being called anti-American hippies by the Paul Roberts of the world.
Don't get me wrong. I love the writing he's doing these days. And I'd want to thank him very much for speaking out on this as soon as he read the reports. But, spare me the bs about how the America his generation loved is now gone. A key step of when it died was when Mr. Roberts and his generation decided they hated the freedom loving hippies and instead supported Reagan and pushed us all down hill on this long decline.
The point is, you have to support anyone who's fighting for freedom. If you support the taking away of rights from anyone, even if they appear to be dirty, smelly hippies who are marching to end a war and to oppose corporate power, then you are killing everyone's rights. Lots of people had their hand in this long decline, but don't try to deny that Mr. Roberts and his fellow-traveling Reagan Republicans had a big part to play in this.
History
September 25th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
So much evidence to support this if anyone wants to go look.
Two historical dots to connect.
– Type "FBI crime lab" into google and see what comes up from the 'scandal' of the 90's when they were caught routinely manufacturing fake evidence and committing perjury when testifying in court.
– read about "Judi Bari". She was an environmental activist in the SF Bay area who had a pipe bomb exploded under the seat in her car. The FBI tried to charge her as a bomber. Instead, her family took the FBI and the Oakland PD to court and proved in court that it was the FBI who set the bomb. Her family had proof enough to win a civil case in a court of law.
Nothing has changed. No surprise, since America was stupid enough to vote for a conman who used wall street money to put a giant banner over his head that read "Change". The key was to see the corporate money that paid for the banner. And to realize that the real people working for change, whether they be Ron Paul or Paul Wellstone, don't need a giant banner over their heads to tell you that they stand for change. You already know it from their actions.
Don't vote Democrat again.
Don't vote Republican again.
If there's anyone decent left in either party, you'll know it when they leave these two corrupt corporate parties that are attacking and destroying everything that was decent and good about America.
V for Vendetta
September 25th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
You are certainly right. There were plenty of mistakes made by so-called conservatives over the last few decades. And plenty of mistakes were made by so-called liberals as well. But we can't look backwards, wring our hands in grief, and blame others for our present losses. We must fight NOW for what is just and right. So, how can we, the people, come together now and restore our lost liberties, our lost property rights and our lost prosperity? How can we end the unjust, immoral and aggressive warfare state? How can we put an end to our present growing police and imperial warfare state and make America a normal, free, peaceful and prosperous country again? That is the task before us. If we fail, our children's children will rightfully hold us in contempt for the poverty and slavery that will surely be their inheritance.
Paul Craig Roberts
September 25th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
Nike must be a first. A jingoistic Canadian!
Bob Dylan
September 25th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
What an idiot this old hippie is.
Heathcliff_Maw
September 25th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
This was Obama's ACT OF WAR against dissent. One of those targeted as a "terrorist" was an American of Arab descent who in 2006 organized a protest against US support for Israel's mayhem in Lebanon.
It is wrong to call Obama a socialist. It would be an exaggeration to call Obama another Hitler. It would be accurate to call him a fascist.
Heathcliff_Maw
September 25th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Speak for yourself. Old Hippie makes a lot of good points. Reagan was a corporatist front man and a total asshole.
Frank
September 25th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
All of the intelligent high-tech engineers and scientists that come to America to work. I wonder now, are they regarded as "gullible and ignorant Americans" ??
Frank
September 25th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
How so Bobby?
Frank
September 25th, 2010 at 6:37 pm
People need to start using decentralized and encrypted messaging. It works great for me!
davidgrayling
September 25th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
This post and the comments makes for scary reading even for someone from overseas. Why? Because many nations stupidly follow America.
My country, Australia, is one of them. When America says "Jump," the Australian Government asks, "How High?"
America is leading the world ever downwards. How low will it go?
Dave Parker
September 25th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
You're all missing the obvious: Canada helped the US to "render" Omar Khadr to Jordan, remember?
RickR30
September 25th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
Mr. Roberts has distanced him self from some of the bad decision that were made during the Reagan years. He even has taken responsibility for economical issues for which he even wasn't responsible.
RickR30
September 25th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
One just has to travel elsewhere, preferably a "Third World" country to experience the difference in law enforcement. There, you see police vehicles driving around and you don't have to worry. They are doing their job and not particularly interested in your diving. There if you deal with law enforcement, you are treated with some modicum of basic human respect. Here, if you see a police vehicle nearby, or Money forbid, behind you…time to sweat and pray and recall all your traffic rules. There are bizarre instances of cops giving tickets to people with standard factory rear lamps that the cop felt were illegal…and the judge agreed! And if you have the displeasure of dealing with them face to face you know you're going to be treated like a rapist/murderer/terrorist from the outset. And that's just your local law enforcement. Thanks to sites like these we're learning about what federal law enforcement is willing to do. Just when did law enforcement turn against regular citizens? Why? Catching real criminials like drug dealers, coyotes, businesscrooks, foreign mobsters, sex traffickers, "tourists" working ilegally at mall stands not interesting enough?
Dave Parker
September 25th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
Now that's what I'm saying! I bow in your virtual direction, boutet.
I appreciate your sentiment, Mr. Roberts, but I must say, WTF do you think we Indians have been saying about tyranny for the last several centuries?
In less than a minute, I thought of half a dozen examples from the 17th and 18th centuries of the death of America as your generation knew it. As one who has documented native ancestry, I must say, welcome to the effing party, Mr. Roberts.
Bacon's Rebellion is particularly instructive. In 1676 — yes, a century before our independence — a lout from England by the name of Nathaniel Bacon used "the Indian Problem" to promote himself in politics.
After failing to force the governor to "subdue" the Indians, who were fighting back after decades of violations of a treaty, but never mind that, Bacon went and raided several Indian villages. That got him elected to the House of Burgesses.
From there, he continued stoking the flames of war between illegal immigrants and the natives, pressing the governor to use state force to steal native lands. It's an American tradition, you see, Mr. Roberts. http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h521.html
In Stono's Rebellion (September 9, 1739), it was slaves rising up:
"Early on the morning of Sunday, September 9, 1739, 20 black slaves met in secret near the Stono River in South Carolina to plan their escape to freedom. Minutes later, they burst into Hutcheson's store at Stono's bridge, killed the two storekeepers, and stole the guns and powder inside.
"The group of slaves grew in number as they headed south. Stono's Rebellion, the largest slave uprising in the Colonies prior to the American Revolution, was under way." http://www.americaslibrary.gov/jb/colonial/jb_col…
After that came Shay's Rebellion:
"Shays' Rebellion was an armed uprising in central and western Massachusetts (mainly Springfield) from 1786 to 1787. The rebellion is named after Daniel Shays, a veteran of the American Revolution who led the rebels, known as "Shaysites" or "Regulators". Most of Shays' compatriots were poor farmers angered by crushing debt and taxes. Failure to repay such debts often resulted in imprisonment in debtor's prisons or the claiming of property by the government." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shays%27_Rebellion
Then there was the Whiskey Rebellion of 1794:
"The Whiskey Rebellion, less commonly known as the Whiskey Insurrection, was a tax protest in Pennsylvania in the 1790s, during the presidency of George Washington. The conflict was rooted in western dissatisfaction with a 1791 excise tax on whiskey. The tax was a part of treasury secretary Alexander Hamilton's program to centralize and fund the national debt. From the national perspective the issue was how laws passed by the Congress would be enforced.[2]
The whiskey excise was unpopular among small farmers on the western frontier who could get their corn to market only by distilling it into whiskey, which was easy to ship by water. They used violence and intimidation to stop federal officials from collecting the tax. Resistance came to a climax in July 1794, when a U.S. marshal arrived in western Pennsylvania to serve writs to distillers who had not paid the excise. The alarm was raised, and more than 500 armed men attacked the fortified home of tax inspector General John Neville. The Washington administration responded by sending peace commissioners to negotiate with the rebels, while at the same time calling on state governors to provide militia forces if needed. President Washington himself led the army but the protest collapsed before it arrived. About 20 men were arrested, but all were later acquitted or pardoned.
The Whiskey Rebellion demonstrated that the new national government had the willingness and ability to suppress violent resistance to its laws. The whiskey excise remained difficult to collect, however. The whiskey tax was repealed after Thomas Jefferson's Republican Party, which opposed Hamilton's Federalist Party, came to power in 1800." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion
And Jefferson, my favorite Founder, himself was a slave-owning rum distiller.
See a theme emerging?
So, Mr. Roberts, do tell me about the death of this America you of your generation think you knew. I could use a good laugh.
Septimus
September 26th, 2010 at 12:24 am
In stark contrast to the despicable thugs and hypocrites that dominate the UN, Canada's voting pattern under Harper's conservative government has been quite principled. That's why an odious, hate-mongering piece of vomit like you can't stand it.
And after spitting on so many innocents with the word "hollowcaust", who are YOU to condemn anyone as "rabid"?
Canada has strict hate laws. Keep frothing at the mouth like a rabid little mutt and they'll stick you in a cage where you belong.
Septimus
September 26th, 2010 at 12:43 am
If you truly are Paul Craig Roberts, you're one shameless piece of work.
For a columnist at an "antiwar" website, you sure do like picking fights. Now you've added Canada to your list of targets. And look how your trained monkeys react on cue! Your disciples suddenly discovered how much they hate Canada.
In the crushing boredom of your old age, at least you manage to derive some satisfaction from playing these fools like a violin.
hardtruth
September 26th, 2010 at 1:23 am
"despicable thugs and hypocrites that dominate the UN…. odious, hate-mongering piece of vomit like you….Keep frothing at the mouth like a rabid little mutt and they'll stick you in a cage where you belong. "
Hmmm.
hardtruth
September 26th, 2010 at 1:33 am
"During an arrest, you think since you aren’t guilty, how can they arrest you? Why should you run away? And how can you resist right then? After all, you’ll only make your situation worse; you’ll make it more difficult for them to sort out the mistake. And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! We didn’t love freedom enough. Every man always has handy a dozen glib little reasons why he is right not to sacrifice " — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn "The Gulag Archipelago"
bogi666
September 26th, 2010 at 4:16 am
While I don't necessarily agree with your comments, Roberts served in the Reagan administration in the Treasury department and was an architect of the "trickle down[urine and diarrhea] economics" and the huge Federal deficits to simultaneously fund the Pentagon with the proceeds of the of the Treasury bond sales. Admiral Mullen has admitted that the Pentagon is a threat to national security since it is funded with the Treasury bond proceeds for the Federal deficit and that the deficits are the threat to national security.
bogi666
September 26th, 2010 at 4:20 am
how's it done?
bogi666
September 26th, 2010 at 4:33 am
Roberts was an architect of the Reagan "trickle down[urine and diarrhea] economics" which fund the Pentagon with the Treasury bond proceeds for deficit spending and that Admiral Mullen has declared the Pentagon as the threat to national security since it is funded with the Treasury bond proceeds for the Federal deficit. Irony is that with the ever and unlimited funding of the Pentagon, a threat to national security, is being funded for the war on terrorism for national security purposes and they the Pentagon is the threat to national security that they are being funded for. It doesn't get more insane than this. I mentioned to my then shrink that wars are a collective national mental and emotional breakdown. He thought about it and agreed. The insane selection of Bush by the SCOTUS in 2000 put the country over the edge.
bogi666
September 26th, 2010 at 4:40 am
To quote a Chris Rock proverb, "they're coming after the Mexican's now, next it will be Muslims, all brown people, next certain religions, then Jews and niggers and that train is never late".
Timmy Ramone
September 26th, 2010 at 7:39 am
As I've said elsewhere:
I've known Mick Kelly for years, along with Jess Sundin and Meredith Aby, who were among the people victimized by the FBI's criminal attempt at intimidation on Friday. The idea that any of these folks support any sort of "terrorist" organization is preposterous. As another commenter observed, most of these folks can barely make rent. Even if they wanted to, they simply don't have the resources to offer "material support" (whatever that means) to these groups.
Clearly, it was their long history of antiwar activism that has made them the target of State repression. The real terrorists here are the FBI and the people in power pulling their strings.
Cicero
September 26th, 2010 at 8:42 am
what kind of CIA asset are you?
I have long noticed that it is only agents of the gestapo state who attack Chris Floyd and Paul Craig Roberts.
davids
September 26th, 2010 at 8:47 am
what balderdash. Reagan had nothing whatsoever to do with financial deregulation, multi-trillion dollar 21st century wars in the Middle East, $700 billion bank bailouts, $750 billion "stimulus" spending.
There is no such thing as trickledown economics. Supply-side economics cured stagflation.
guest
September 26th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Canada as a US puppet. What garbage.
Septimus
September 26th, 2010 at 11:08 am
There's no irony here, because there's no analogy to be made.
I'm not the one who smeared a nation (Canada) and spit on a people (juden). I'm attacking the bigot who did, as well as the thuggish hypocrites at the UN (like those who oppress millions but serve on human rights committees) who deserve all the rebuke in the world.
I'm not a bigot for attacking bigots, no matter how vigorously.
And that's the "hardtruth". Hmmm…
hardtruth
September 26th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
"I'm not the one who smeared a nation (Canada)"
Nope, you went for the whole UN.
Strider55
September 26th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
One way is with PGP.
Septimus
September 26th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
You seem to have trouble dealing with the hard truth, so here it is, yet again:
"thugs and hypocrites that dominate the UN" – that's what I wrote.
Those that "dominate" the UN do not comprise the "whole" UN. Canada is one such example of a nation that behaves admirably at the UN, defying the thugs. So you see? I'm not against the "whole" UN.
That's the hard truth, the whole hard truth, and nothing but the hard truth.
(Do you want to keep this tedium going, or will you just drop it?)
Strider55
September 26th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
IMHO it's more likely that, like Pearl Harbor, the govt. had advance knowledge of the attack and deliberately let it happen.
One thing's for sure, the post-9/11 anthrax attacks were definitely an inside job, as was the 1995 Okla. City bombing.
Another sure thing: If you're going to keep that username, you need to adopt the "V" avatar as well. :-)
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." — Thomas Jefferson
"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people." — "V"
Septimus
September 26th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
Well, if that's what you "noticed", then you're noticing what you WANT to notice.
On this web page alone, there are indications that Paul Craig Roberts has offended an ever-widening circle of individuals who are NOT "agents of the gestapo state", as you put it so ludicrously.
Strider55
September 26th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
Slight correction: Ruby Ridge happened under Bush 41. And you forgot the Okla. City bombing, which Clinton himself credited for his re-election.
Strider55
September 26th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
A large part of the local police thuggery is the economy. Governments are desperate for revenue and have turned their LEOs into auxiliary tax collectors. A month or so ago a motorist in NM was ticketed for driving too slowly, even though there was no other traffic and no minimum speed was posted.
All of this would stop instantly if we could revive the old British common law precept that a policeman attempting to make an unlawful arrest (that is, without warrant or probable cause) was no different than any burglar or mugger, and such arrest could be resisted even with deadly force.
V for Vendetta
September 26th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
The Gulag Arichipelago was one of the most insightful books I've ever read about life in a totalitarian police state. It was very popular in America at the time it was published circa 1973. Americans, at that time, were very frightened by the book and were determined not to let that kind of government ever come to power in America. With all of the draconian legislation (ex.: The Patriot Act) that has been passed in recent years, isn't it ironic that America is now in the early stages of an evolving totalitarian police state like the one Solzhenitsyn describes in GA, but that Russia is becoming more and more free with every year that passes? Who would have ever thought it? Unbelievable.
Ragnar Danneskjold
September 26th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
I only have one issue with this article. I am a conservative libertarian with a bent more towards the conservative side, maybe, and I do not, in any way, shape, or form, view civil liberties as a "coddling device." It was wrong of the author to generalize conservatives that way, just like the vast majority of generalizations (most likely including this one), are wrong
Strider55
September 26th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
My favorite scene in V for Vendetta (other than the references to "the former United States") is right after the "Fingerman" murders the young girl. An angry mob gathers; the Fingerman shows his badge; the mob isn't impressed; he pulls his gun; he's clubbed to death. The point of the scene is that his badge no longer causes any fear or carries any authority. The same thing will happen here eventually; when it does, so many FBI, ATF, TSA, NSA, DEA, etc. agents will be killed that most of the survivors will either resign or desert. And that is the overriding purpose behind the 2nd Amendment.
V for Vendetta
September 26th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Every peaceful means to resist tyranny and despotism should always be employed first. But if all peaceful means fail…well, perhaps Thomas Jefferson said it best; "Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invaribly the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their DUTY, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security" – The Declaration of Independence. Those words still ring with as much wisdom, truth and courage today as they did in 1776. And as Robert E. Lee once said; "ours is to do our DUTY and the rest is in God's hands."
V for Vendetta
September 26th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
You are correct. Canada is not a puppet of the US. But both of them are puppets of the CFR-Bildeberger-International Banking-International Corporate-Globalist Crime Syndicate of liars, thieves and murderers. Go here for more information while you are still allowed to do so: infowars.com
bogi666
September 27th, 2010 at 2:43 am
According to some Canadian's, theothercanada, Canada under Harper is becoming totalitarian.
EUGENNE TANO
November 5th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
YOU ARE CONSIDERED ANTI AMERICAN—IF YOU LET THE THIEVES WHO OWN THE POLITICIANS DO AS THEY PLEASE..–LIKE BLOW UP THE TWIN TOWERS–LIKE INVADING OTHER COUNTRIES AND TAKING THEIR WEALTH–LIKE SETTING UP FALSE FLAGS TO SUCKER THE PEOPLE AND CREATING FAKE TERRORIST LIKE BIN LADEN WHO DIED 20 YEARS AGO..YOUR ANTI AMERICAN IF YOU LET THE LIKES OF THE BUSH AND CHENEY FAMILY MAKE BILLIONS OFF THEIR HOME MADE WARS.—YOUR ANTI–AMERICAN IF YOU BITCH WHEN THE COPS RIP UP YOUR HOUSE BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE BALLS TO FIGHT BACK–THE US HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER BY A PACK OF BASTARDS THAT MAKE HITLER LOOK LIKE A BOY SCOUT.—-IS IT TIME TO REVOLT ITS WAY PAST TIME—SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE—-IN—1913—-