Crackpot Anti-Islam Activists, ‘Serial Fabricators,’ and the Tale of Iran and 9/11
Behind a mysterious Dec. 22 Associated Press story about “finding of fact” by a district judge in Manhattan Friday that Iran assisted al-Qaeda in the planning of the 9/11 attacks is a tapestry of recycled fabrications and distortions of fact from a bizarre cast of characters.
The AP story offers no indication of the nature of the evidence in the case except that former members of the 9/11 Commission and three Iranian defectors provided testimony. What it didn’t say was that at least two of the Iranian defectors have long been dismissed by U.S. intelligence as “fabricators” and that the two “expert witnesses” who were supposed to determine the credibility of those defectors’ claims are both avowed advocates of crackpot conspiracy theories about Muslims and Shariah law who believe the United States is at war with Islam.
The ostensible purpose of the case brought by families of 9/11 terror attack victims was to win damages from those responsible for 9/11. Dozens of such cases involving different terrorist attacks have been brought to U.S. courts over the years, in which “default judgments” have been made against Iran over various attacks in which Iran was allegedly involved, but there is no chance of getting any money for the families.
The only real effect of the case is to promote right-wing political myths about Iran. One of the peculiarities of such cases is that the witnesses are not subject to cross examination in court. The witnesses have every incentive, therefore to indulge in false testimony, knowing that there will be no one to challenge them.
“A Fabricator of Monumental Proportions”
The lawyers and the “expert witnesses” behind the accusation of Iran in regard to 9/11 hoped to sell the press and public on recycled claims first made by Iranian “defectors” several years ago that they had personal knowledge of Iranian participation in the 9/11 plot. The lawyers produced videotaped affidavits by three such defectors who were identified, with a dramatic flourish, as Witnesses “X,” “Y,” and “Z.”
In the one public hearing held on the case, the lawyers revealed the identity of purported former Iranian intelligence official Abolghasem Mesbahi — probably a pseudonym — and described his testimony that he had received a series of “coded messages” from a former colleague in the Iranian government in the late summer and early fall of 2001 warning that a terrorist attack against the United States was being planned and that it was a plan that had been concocted by Tehran in the late 1980s.
Although the judge and the public were being led to believe that this is somehow new information going beyond what was known by the 9/11 Commission report, it is, in fact, very old information and has long been completely discredited. Mesbahi’s story doesn’t hold up, for several reasons, and the most obvious is that, despite his claim that he was warned nearly a month before the 9/11 attacks that civilian airliners would be crashed into buildings in major U.S. cities, including Washington and New York on Sept. 11, he never conveyed that information to the U.S. government before that date.
In October 2001, Mesbahi claimed to right-wing journalist Kenneth R. Timmerman, as reported in Timmerman’s 2005 book, that he had tried calling the legal attaché at the U.S. embassy in Berlin but was “unsuccessful in several attempts.” But he did not claim any other attempt to reach a U.S. consulate or the U.S. embassy in Germany by fax, e-mail, or letter before Sept. 11, nor did he go to the U.S. embassy in person to convey this warning. He told Timmerman that he called an Iranian dissident contact in the United States who, he believed, had contacts with U.S. intelligence agencies only some hours after the attacks on New York and Washington.
It wasn’t the first time Mesbahi had claimed inside information about Iranian involvement in a terrorist attack only after the attack had taken place. He had told investigators working on the December 1988 terror bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 that Iran had asked Libya and Abu Nidal to carry out the attack on the personal orders of Ayatollah Khomeini. Unfortunately for his credibility, however, he had not come forward with the allegation until after the bombing had happened.
He had also provided affidavits to Argentine investigators in the case of the 1994 AMIA bombing in Buenos Aires, claiming his well-informed friends in Iranian intelligence had tipped him off that the decision to bomb the Jewish Community Center had been made at a meeting attended by top Iranian officials in August 1993.
But in fact, by his own admission Mesbahi had not worked for Argentine intelligence since 1988, and the FBI’s Hezbollah Office’s James Bernazzani, who had helped the Argentine intelligence service with the investigation in 1997, told me in a November 2006 interview that American intelligence officials had concluded Mesbahi did not have the continued high-level access to Iranian intelligence officials throughout the 1990s and beyond that he was claiming. They regarded him as someone who was desperate for money and ready to “provide testimony to any country on any case involving Iran,” according to Bernazzani.
Mesbahi wasn’t even consistent in the story he told about the alleged “coded messages.” In an interview with Timmerman, Mesbahi stated that he had gotten two messages from his contact, one on Sept. 1, 2001, and a second three days later. And Timmerman wrote that his alleged contact had “phoned him again” on Sept. 4, indicating that Mesbahi had made no reference to an elaborate scheme to send coded messages through articles in Iranian newspapers.
But in his affidavit to the 9/11 court case, he said he had gotten three messages — on July 23, Aug. 13, and Aug. 27 — and that the coded messages were placed in newspaper articles. Timmerman, who referred the lawyers to Mesbahi, discretely avoided pointing out the huge discrepancy between the two stories, which clearly indicates that Mesbahi fabricated the tale of messages in newspaper articles to make it more dramatic and convincing.
The second defector, Hamid Reza Zakeri, claimed he had been an officer of Iran’s Ministry of Information and Security and had provided security for a meeting at an airbase near Tehran on May 4, 2001, attended by supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, President Hashemi Rafsanjani, and Osama bin Laden’s son Saad bin Laden. He also claimed to have seen replicas of the twin towers, the White House, the Pentagon, and Camp David in the entry hall to the main headquarters of the MOIS with a missile suspended above the targets and “Death to America” written in Arabic (rather than Farsi) on the side.
Like Mesbahi, Zakeri also first told his tale to Timmerman, who recounts it in his 2005 book. Zakeri, who apparently defected from Iran in late July 2001, claimed he had told the U.S. embassy in Baku, Azerbaijan on July 26, 2001, about the alleged meeting and replicas, warning them that he believed the Iranians and al-Qaeda were planning an attack on those targets that would occur Sept. 11. But CIA officials denied categorically to Timmerman that Zakeri had given any such warning to the embassy and called Zakeri “a fabricator of monumental proportions” and “a serial fabricator.” Zakeri failed an FBI polygraph test in 2003, according to Timmerman.
Crackpot Hate-Islam Extremists as “Expert Witnesses”
Significantly, no reputable retired intelligence analyst on Iran was asked to help judge the testimony of the Iranian defectors. Instead, Clare M. Lopez and Bruce Tefft, both former CIA covert operations case officers, were invited to be “expert witnesses,” in large part to view the videotaped testimony of the three Iranian defectors and assess their credibility.
Based on the record of their public statements, however, they were selected for that role because they could be counted upon to endorse the defectors’ allegations of Iranian involvement in planning the 9/11 attacks and any other assertion, no matter how outlandish, that suggested Iranian guilt.
Lopez has been linked with the neoconservative faction of the Bush administration and the pro-Likud Party extreme right ever since she became executive director of the Iran Policy Committee in 2005. Through a series of policy papers issued that year, the Committee sought to support from outside the push by a group of pro-Likud officials within the administration for a policy of regime change in Iran.
In particular, the Committee called for using the Mujahedin-E-Khalq, or MEK, the armed opposition group listed by the U.S. State Department as a terrorist group because of its assassinations of U.S. officials during the regime of the shah and bombings of large civilian events in Iran. The MEK had long enjoyed close working relations with Israel but not with the United States, and the State Department had continued to oppose delisting and alliance with the MEK against Tehran, as proposed by the Defense Department and the vice president’s office.
Since 2009, Lopez has been a senior fellow at the Center for Security Policy, founded and headed by notorious Islam-hating extremist Frank J. Gaffney. One of Lopez’s projects has been to stir up public fear over an alleged threat to America — not from al-Qaeda attacks, but from subversion by Muslim-Americans. She is one of a number of authors of a book published by Gaffney’s Center in October 2010 called Shariah: The Threat to America, which declares, “The United States is under attack by foes who are openly animated by what is known as Shariah (Islamic Law).”
Revealing the project’s anti-Islam paranoia, the book asserts, “Shariah dictates that non-Muslims be given three choices: convert to Islam and conform to Shariah, submit as second class citizens (dhimmis), or be killed.”
In a videotaped talk she gave on Feb. 23, 2011, Lopez said Muslims “believe they should be in charge of the world.” The main threat from Islam, she said, is “stealth jihad” waged by Muslims who “hide behind a moderate image” but whose “purpose is still the same” as that of al-Qaeda.
A second aspect of Lopez’s work for Gaffney has been to intimidate opponents of the hard-line policies toward Iran — and especially the National Iranian-American Council (NIAC) — by accusing them of being covert lobbyists for Iran.
Tefft, who retired from the CIA’s Operations Division in 1995, is even more explicit in arguing that there is a worldwide war against Islam. “We are fighting a 14-century war against Islam and its adherents, Muslims,” he declared in an interview with the right-wing website FrontPageMag in October 2007. “And it is a war that they have declared on all non-Muslims….” Islamic ideology requires Muslims to “make the world Islamic under the Caliphate, and to convert, kill or enslave all non-Muslims.” When the interviewer suggested that there are “moderate Muslims,” Tefft responded, “I don’t think so…. Were there ‘good’ or ‘moderate’ Nazis?”
Tefft referred to the way “the West” had “prevailed” over Islam with the “defeat of the marauding armies of Islam at the Gates of Vienna in 1529″ and added, “We need to recall that period … and again contain Islam to its existing borders.”
When asked by this writer in a phone interview last week if he had been aware of the advocacy of Islamophobe arguments by Lopez and Tefft, Thomas Mellon Jr., one of two lead lawyers in the case, did not answer directly, but said, “To the extent that you are accurate, we would say, fine, take them out.” He insisted that the lawyers for the case had not relied on any one of the 10 “expert witnesses” listed on the case.
Also playing a central role in weaving the tale of Iranian complicity in the 9/11 attacks for the court case was the right-wing author and anti-Iran activist Kenneth R. Timmerman. According to the lawyers’ brief on the case, it was Timmerman who sought out one of the attorneys, Timothy B. Fleming, and brought to his attention the three Iranian “defectors” who claimed personal knowledge that Iran was involved in the planning of 9/11.
Like Lopez, Timmerman has been linked with hard-line pro-Likud organizations and involved in efforts to overthrow the regime in Tehran. Along with Joshua Muravchik and a group of Iranian exile foes of the Islamic regime, he established the Foundation for Democracy in Iran in 1995.
Timmerman has also expressed views sympathetic to the hate-Islam movement. His 2003 book, Preachers of Hate: Islam and the War Against America, portrays the United States and Israel as innocent victims of a vicious campaign against the West by whole Islamic societies that refuse to accept the U.S.-Israeli narrative on terrorism. And his new novel, St. Peter’s Bones, has been praised by notorious Islam-hater Robert Spencer for revealing the “long-hidden origins of Islam.”
The “Material Support” and “Save Haven” Ploys
The most egregious allegations of Iranian complicity in 9/11 come from three former staff members of the 9/11 Commission — Daniel Byman, Dietrich Snell, and Janice Kephart. They had all worked on the section of the 2004 report that had given heavy emphasis to the fact that Iran had not stamped the passports of Saudis who later became hijackers in the 9/11 attacks when they entered Iran. The section had suggested that this and other evidence could indicate Iranian complicity in the plot, even if it could not yet be proven.
In their affidavits to the court, those three former staffers, two of whom (Snell and Kephart) are lawyers, argue that Iran’s failure to stamp the passports of the al-Qaeda operatives constituted provision of “material support” to al-Qaeda in executing the 9/11 attacks. U.S. anti-terrorist law specifies that the provision of “material support” to terrorists includes any “service” to terrorists if the provider is “knowing or intending that they are to be used in preparation for, or in carrying out” a terrorist action.
However, a key piece of information in a different chapter of the 9/11 Commission report shows that Iran’s failure to stamp passports was not intended to aid al-Qaeda. On page 169, the report says that, in order to avoid the confiscation by Saudi authorities of passports bearing a Pakistani stamp, the Saudi al-Qaeda operatives “either erased the Pakistani visa from their passport or traveled through Iran, which did not stamp visas directly into passports.” In other words, the Iranian practice of not stamping visas directly into passports applied to everyone. And since, as the Commission report acknowledged, there was no evidence of Iranian foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks, the existence of that policy did not support the thesis of Iranian “material support” for the al-Qaeda plot.
The Commission staff went back to the two senior planners of the attacks, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi Bin al Shibh, in July 2004, to ask them specifically about the Iranian failure to stamp the passports of the hijackers, but, strangely, the Commission report gives no indication of what they said about whether the Iranian practice was intended to assist al-Qaeda. Either the staff never asked the question, or the answer was ignored because it contradicted the line that those staff members were pushing in 2004 and are still pushing today.
The former Commission staffers also joined right-wing activists in highlighting the intelligence Commission report statements that “an associate of a senior Hezbollah operative” was on the same mid-November flight from Beirut to Tehran as a group of future hijackers and that Hezbollah officials in Beirut and Iran had been “expecting the arrival of a group [from Saudi Arabia] during the same time period.” The former staffers insist that these could not have been coincidences and that they had to mean that Iran was involved in the al-Qaeda plot.
The argument that the presence of an “associate” of a top Hezbollah official on the same flight as future al-Qaeda hijackers could not have been a coincidence is absurd. There were obviously many “associates” of top Hezbollah officials, most whom would have had occasion to travel to Iran frequently. The statistical likelihood that one of them would be on the same flight as the future hijackers would not be so small as to merit suspicion.
And the very same section of the Commission report provides a clear explanation of the anticipation of a group traveling from Saudi Arabia to Iran that reveals the conspiratorial interpretation as dishonest. It says that a senior Hezbollah operative — said to have been Imad Mughniyah — visited Saudi Arabia in October 2000 to “coordinate activities” there, that he planned to assist a group traveling to Iran in November, and that intelligence reports showed the planned visit to Iran involved a “top Hezbollah commander” and “Saudi Hezbollah contacts.”
But that didn’t stop the lawyers for the case from twisting the Commission report to fit the desired narrative: “The ‘activities’ that Mughniyah went to coordinate,” clearly revolved around the hijackers’ travel, their obtaining new Saudi passports and/or U.S. visas for the 9/11 operation, as several of them did, as well as the hijackers’ security, and the operation’s security.”
Paul Pillar, who was the CIA’s senior intelligence officer on the Middle East and South Asia from 2000 to 2005 and had previously been the senior analyst at the agency’s Counterterrorism Center, was categorical about the matter when I interviewed him in 2006. The facts detailed in the Commission Report about passports, travel of the hijackers through Iran, and the presence of a Hezbollah official on one of the flights “don’t show Iranian collusion with al-Qaeda,” he told me.
The lawyers’ brief refers to “the existence of a secret network of travel routes and safe houses” worked out from the mid-1990s onward as being “confirmed by al-Qaeda military chief Saef al Adel in a May 2005 interview.” That implies that secret arrangements on such “travel routes and safe houses” were made between al-Qaeda and the Iranian government. But al-Adel said nothing of the sort. He made it clear in his interview with a Saudi journalist that the Iranians who helped them with housing and logistics were not connected with the Iranian regime.
The “expert witnesses” and the lawyers carefully skirt the fact that in the latter half of the 1990s — at a time when the United States was officially still “neutral” on the civil war in Afghanistan — Iran was providing funding, arms, and other support to the Northern Alliance, the non-Pashtun forces seeking to overthrow the Taliban regime that bin Laden and al-Qaeda were helping to keep in power.
That Iranian support for the Northern Alliance was still ongoing when the organization’s chief, Ahmad Shah Massoud, was assassinated Sept. 10, 2001, by two Arabs posing as journalists. The leader of the CIA’s post-9/11 covert paramilitary team in Afghanistan, Gary Schroen, reported that there were two IRGC colonels attached to the commander of the Northern Alliance, Bismullah Khan, when the CIA team arrived. Nevertheless, Lopez and Tefft as well as Israeli journalist Ronan Bergman, a former intelligence officer in the Israeli Defense Forces who boasts of his “close personal contacts” with senior Israel intelligence and military officials, cite reports supposedly originating with German intelligence that Iran helped al-Qaeda operatives carry out the Massoud assassination.
All the “expert witnesses” insist vehemently that Iran continued to provide “safe haven” for al-Qaeda operatives who fled from Afghanistan to Iran after 9/11, allowing them to direct terrorist activities against Saudi Arabia in particular. But that accusation merely recycles the claim first made in early 2002 by Bush administration officials seeking to prevent negotiations between the United States and Iran and push for the adoption of a regime-change strategy in Iran.
The central pretense of the neoconservative “safe haven” ploy was that, if any al-Qaeda operatives were able to function in Iran, Iran must have deliberately permitted it. But the United States has been unable to shut down al-Qaeda’s operation in Pakistan after a decade of trying, despite the cooperation of the Pakistani intelligence service and the drone coverage of the tribal areas. If the same criteria applied to Iran were to be applied to the Bush administration and the government of Germany, they could be accused of having provided “safe haven” for al-Qaeda operatives prior to 9/11.
In fact, after U.S. complaints about al-Qaeda presence in Iran in late 2001, Tehran detained nearly 300 al-Qaeda operatives and gave a dossier with their names, passport pictures, and fingerprints to the United Nations. Iran also repatriated at least 200 of those detainees to the newly formed government of Afghanistan.
U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker revealed last year that, in late 2001, Iran had been willing to discuss possible surrender of the senior al-Qaeda officials it was detaining to the United States and share any intelligence it had gained from its investigations as part of a wider understanding with Washington. But the neoconservative faction in the administration rejected that offer, demanding that Iran give them the al-Qaeda detainees without getting anything in return.
Iran’s crackdown on al-Qaeda continued in 2002-03 and netted a number of top officials. One of the senior al-Qaeda detainees apparently detained by Iran during that period, Saif al-Adel, later told a Jordanian journalist that Iran’s operations against al-Qaeda had “confused us and aborted 75 percent of our plan.” The arrests included “up to 80 percent” of Abu Musab al Zarqawi’s group, he said, and those who had not been swept up were forced to leave for Iraq.
In further negotiations with the Bush administration in May 2003, Iran again offered to turn over the senior al-Qaeda detainees to the United States in return for the MEK captured by U.S. forces in Iraq. The Bush administration again refused the offer.
By 2005, a “senior U.S. intelligence official” was publicly admitting that 20 to 25 top al-Qaeda leaders were in detention in Iran and that they were “not able to do much of anything.”
In 2008, one U.S. official told ABC News that administration officials had not been raising the al-Qaeda issue publicly, because “they believe Iran has largely kept the al-Qaeda operatives under control since 2003, limiting their ability to travel and communicate.”
But in the world of the right-wing Islam-hating extremists and others pushing
for confrontation with Iran, reality is no obstacle to spinning tales of secret
Iranian assistance to al-Qaeda.
Republished courtesy of Truthout.
Read more by Gareth Porter
- SOF Troops Still in Wardak as Joint US-Afghan Probe Continues – March 11th, 2013
- Former Insiders Criticize Iran Policy as US Hegemony – February 25th, 2013
- Bulgarian Revelations Explode Hezbollah Bombing ‘Hypothesis’ – February 17th, 2013
- Iranian Bomb Graph Appears Adapted from One on Internet – December 13th, 2012
- News Media Misled by IAEA Data on Sensitive Iranian Stockpile – November 20th, 2012





jgmoebus
December 31st, 2011 at 12:50 am
If Ron Paul was Actually, Really, and Truly the AntiWar candidate that all his fans and fanatics claim that he is, he would make the following a central plank of his platform:
That, upon being elected President,
1) he would de-classify ALL government documents that pertain to the so-called "Terror Event" of September 11, 2001…. Before, During, and After;
2) he would bring federal criminal charges against any and all officials in the Carter-Bush-Clinton- Cheney-Obama Regime by whose acts of ommission and/or commission, said Terror Event was not prevented, was enabled to happen, and continues to be covered up;
3) he would order and resource a completely new 9.11 TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION COMMISSION to determine WHAT Actually Happened, HOW it Actually Happened, WHY it Actually Happened, and WHO Actually Made and/or Let it Happen.
jgmoebus
December 31st, 2011 at 1:01 am
Because, beCause, BeCause:
Unless and Until the Lie, Hoax, Sham, and Scam that is the so-called "Terror Event" of September 11, 2001 is unearthed, exposed, and acted upon and against, NoThing and NoBody will be able to stop the Insanity and Obscenity that is this international and domestic so-called "War" Against so-called "Terrorism."
NOTHING and NOBODY.
jgmoebus
December 31st, 2011 at 1:02 am
If it was any simpler or easier than that, as my ballet teacher used to say, it would be American football.
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December 31st, 2011 at 5:05 am
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popsiq
December 31st, 2011 at 6:38 am
Pure Hollywood.
curmudgeonvt
December 31st, 2011 at 8:13 am
The 9/11 Commission Report was designed to put an "official" end to any "official" investigations into the event. It was designed to obscure the truth and deflect attention in other directions. It was never intended to answer any real questions with any sort of substantive reality. And it worked. Those who continue to cry for the real Truth are labeled and tagged and laughed at by those who would prefer to ignore it and move on – look forward, not backward. The Report put the "official" lid on the memory hole. Maybe one day on the future someone can remove the lid and reveal what really happened. Maybe.
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December 31st, 2011 at 9:15 am
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jgmoebus
December 31st, 2011 at 10:03 am
Yeah? So?
So WHAT?
So how about moving forward, and not backward?
So WHAT, exactly, does what the 9.11 Commission and its Report WAS have to do with the assertion that the only way for Ron Paul to prove that he is indeed an antiWar candidate is to "3) … order and resource a completely new 9.11 TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION COMMISSION to determine WHAT Actually Happened, HOW it Actually Happened, WHY it Actually Happened, and WHO Actually Made and/or Let it Happen" ?
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jeff_davis
December 31st, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Ron Paul is never going to become a "Truther", primarily because he's a sensible man grounded in reality.
The 911 Commission Report was exactly as curmudgeoninVt reports: a load of horse manure intended to satisfy the public's demand for an investigation while studiously avoiding assigning blame to any Washington insiders who neglected their responsibility to protect the country.
Which is a whole different view of the matter from that of the whack-job Truthers and their US-govt-planted-explosive-demolition conspiracy slash brain fart.
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December 31st, 2011 at 12:37 pm
[...] Behind a mysterious Dec. 22 Associated Press story about “finding of fact” by a district judge in Manhattan Friday that Iran assisted al-Qaeda in the planning of the 9/11 attacks is a tapestry of recycled fabrications and distortions of fact from a bizarre cast of characters. The AP story offers no indication of the nature of the evidence in the case except that former members of the 9/11 Commission and three Iranian defectors provided testimony. What it didn’t say was that at least two of the Iranian defectors have long been dismissed by U.S. intelligence as “fabricators” and that the two “expert witnesses” who were supposed to determine the credibility of those defectors’ claims are both avowed advocates of crackpot conspiracy theories about Muslims and Shariah law who believe the United States is at war with Islam. http://original.antiwar.com/porter/2011/12/30/the-tale-of-iran-and-911/ [...]
Peter
December 31st, 2011 at 1:42 pm
There's an old joke about why the government doesn't like the mob. They don't like the competition.
Gee, so there's a group out there that a) believes they deserve to rule the world. And that when they do, everyone should be given three choices. 1) convert to their view, 2) live as 2nd class citizens, or 3) be killed. I wonder who that is? At least we know why these nutjobs don't like the Iranians. They don't like the competition.
Paul
December 31st, 2011 at 1:44 pm
If the 9-11 nutjobs are against Ron Paul, that's the best reason to support Mr. Paul that I've heard yet.
jgmoebus
December 31st, 2011 at 2:53 pm
1. On what basis do you declare challenges to and questions about the US government- and corporate/alternative/conservative/progressive media-sanctioned "Official Conspiracy Story" to be a "US-govt-planted…conspiracy…"?
2. Cui Bono? Who benefits from such a thing? How and Why would the Cheney-Obama Regime want people to even consider the possibility that The Project For The New American Century's "New Pearl Harbor" actually happened on September 11, 2001?
3. If individuals, agencies, offices, and departments within the US government participated in the planning, resourcing, execution, and covering up of the so-called "Terror Event" of September 11, 2001, would you want to now? Would you really want to know? And how many American people do you think would really want to know?
jgmoebus
December 31st, 2011 at 3:04 pm
9-11 nutjobs are neither "For" or "Against" AnyBody or AnyThing but TRUTH.
The "Truth" of the "Official Conspiracy Story," as packaged and sold to you by your government and its media — and obviously Bought by you, as well, has served very effectively and efficiently for 10 years as the basis, rational, justification, and validation of the Insanity and Obscenity that is this international and now domestic so-called "War" Against so-called "Terrorism."
What is Ron Paul going to do to stop that without 9.11 TRUTH?
Brian
December 31st, 2011 at 3:46 pm
Multiple capitals in sentences went out in English back in the 18th century. They do not actually convince people that your sentences have better or more truthful content by virtue of having bigger letters. If you really think Carter had something to do with 9-11, I suggest you go spend some time with the man while he builds one of his Habitat for Humanity homes (see, this is how capitals work), as opposed to going out making himself rich on lecture circuits or peddling influence like Tony Blair. Why not go the whole hog and add Ford and Nixon to your hyphenated hydra, or does your inflamed imagination stop at the mid 1970s for some reason. Is that just as far back as you yourself can remember, perhaps.
Brian
December 31st, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Look, mate, it is still a terrorist event, regardless of who you think was behind it. It is not a so-called Terror Event with big caps and double quotes. And you are quite wrong that the reason we have not been able to stop the military industrial complex has anything to do wtih keeping your particular understanding of events from the mainstream media–indeed, you are part of the problem because your lack of credibility detracts from our own, by association. So kindly go back to your basement and tin foil hat, please.
Brian
December 31st, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Once again, you miss the point. Ron Paul does not have to agree with your interpretation of events on 9-11 to be the antiwar candidate. Nobody else does either. You are entitled to your opinions–but so are we.
David Grayling
December 31st, 2011 at 4:06 pm
The whole world is a threat according to the leaders of America. I guess you don't have to be a genius to work out what the solution to that kind of deranged thinking is.
Just get rid of all the other people and just leave Americans to have everything. Problem is, there are some 'Americans' who might not qualify. Sounds as though a bit of ethnic culling has to be done.
There might only be 200 millions Americans left and, if you did blood test on them, you might discover other inferior links in the chain.
Where will it end?
JJJihad
December 31st, 2011 at 4:17 pm
The federal courts, teeming with Jewish liberal and Christian right-wing Zionists, are only too happy to accommodate these ridiculous Iranian, Palestinian and "terrorist" civil show suits. And in Israel's occupied east bank–the US Capitol–the Congress passes plenty of statutes creating extraordinary jurisdiction to empower their Zionist owners. In the US, you can sue Hamas for alleged harm down to Israeli-American Jews in Israel. But if you are the parents of Rachel Corrie (for example), you cannot even sue a US company (Caterpillar) in a US court for contributing to the murder of their daughter in Israel by IDF–because it is a "political" question. In this absurd Iranian case, the federal judge in NYC simply signed the papers handed to him by the "plaintiffs" and thereby adopted their "findings"–which in truth are "droppings." Porter, if the weaselly lawyers really admitted they supported their motion with affidavits from experts they themselves did not rely on, tell the judge. He would have an obligation to determine whether the lawyers violated their duty of candor to the truth and various federal rules and statutes. See what happens. Nothing will. Then you can write about that.
jgmoebus
December 31st, 2011 at 4:21 pm
1. i use CAPITALS because i haven't figured out how to imbed Italics in my antiWar.com comments. But thanks a bunch, Brian, for your Stylistically deConstructive English-prof (or is it PhD-candidate/wannabe/could-woulda-shoulda-been "Contendah" [as Rocky once put it]) corrective AND historical prescription/correction.
As regards the Peanut Farmer: do you know who signed the Executive Order — way, Way, WAY back then, shortly after the Soviet Union's Invasion, "Liberation," and Occupation of Afghanistan — authorizing the CIA to create, resource, train, advise, and assist a Merry Band of Pranksters called Osama bin Laden and Da Boyz (aka al-Qaeda)? Does the name "Carter" ring a bell? Voila. Hence, the Carter-Bush-Clinton-Cheney-Obama Regime.
It is very, Very, VERY telling, Professor, that you don't challenge the absence of Reagan or GW Bush from the hyphenated nominalization of The Regime.
But, not really.
jgmoebus
December 31st, 2011 at 4:41 pm
2. Nixon and Ford were still dealing with the Lie, Hoax. Sham, and Scam of The World-Wide MonoLithic Communist Conspiracy to Enslave The World As Ruled From and By The Kremlin. And are thus, irrelevant to the Topic under discussion. THEY had Viet Nam and all that That signified, constituted, and therefore/thereBy Meant.
Carter handed off to Bush The Elder (who ran The Regime from January 1981 until handing off to the Drug-Runner from Arkansas in January, 1989), who had all his fun and games in Latin America (Grenada, which was a dress rehearsal for Panama; to say nothing of The Rape of Nicaragua, Honduras, and Guatemala).
And then, of course, our Created Monster Saddam followed orders and invaded Kuwait. And the rest, as they say in Foggy Bottom and over in Langley, is HiStory.
Same Empire. The only thing different is that it/they are/were operating in a different Theatre of Action.
jgmoebus
December 31st, 2011 at 4:58 pm
brian wrote: “…it is still a terrorist event, regardless of who you think was behind it.”
Really?!? Given that one man’s “terrorist” is another man’s “freedom fighter,” is it a “Terrorist Event” when it is done by Your (or The) Government? Or is that a Black-Flag Operation?
brian also wrote: “And you are quite wrong that the reason we have not been able to stop the military industrial complex has anything to do wtih keeping your particular understanding of events from the mainstream media…”
What, then brian,WHAT is the reason that you — whoever "you" are — have not been able to stop your so-called “military industrial complex” from perpetrating and perpetuating its so-called “War” Against so-called “Terrorism”?
Is it Incompetence? Or Complicity? Or simply simple Ignorance, Arrogance, and Stupidity?
jgmoebus
December 31st, 2011 at 5:19 pm
Gee…. thank you, Brian for that minor concession to Freedom of Thought even among the so-called antiWarriors.
My point is simply this: that unless and until the entire basis and foundation and justification for the so-called "War" Against so-called "Terrorism" and its Frankenstein Spawn — the National Security State with its USA PATRIOT Act, Guantanimo, Presidentially-decreed assassination of US citizens without arrest or trial, NDAA and Indefinite Detention, etcetcetc etal — the basis and foundation of which is The Lie, Hoax, Sham, and Scam that is the so-called "Terror Event" of SEptember 11, 2001…. unless and until THE LIE THAT IS 9.11 is challenged and exposed, there is no AntiWar, AntiTyranny, antiTerror Movement in this country.
There is only Compliance and Complicity.
jgmoebus
December 31st, 2011 at 5:22 pm
When those who benefitted most from 9.11 determione that they will benefit again from another Horror Show, WHO and/or WHAT is going to stop them???
And, when 9.11-II happens, what do YOU think will happen? That the American People and "its media" will demand to know WHAT Really Happened, HOW it Happened, WHY it Happened, and WHO MADE and LET it Happen?
Just like they did after 9.11-I?
What do you think will happen when 9.11 Happens Once Again?
MvGuy
December 31st, 2011 at 7:34 pm
jbmoebus… It would be one thing if the planes hit the buildings and the govt. military… police went forth and found the perps and hauled them back to the U.S. for a speedy trial and…..
But that isn't what happened….is it…?? NO..!!! What happened was….. First the 911Attack….. (a lot like the Reistag fire) Then the Patriot act…..(a lot like the Enabling Act) Then the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq (a lot like the attacks on Poland and Czechoslovakia) and NOW this S-1867 (a lot like the Berlin Laws)…… Is it ME or are the Neocons following the Nazi Playbook almost word for word…???
PS…?? Where do these people like Paul cum from who believe the Governments self serving farce…. Yaa, lets investigate…!! We will make that infallible investigator Henry W Kissinger the Chairman…!!! Oh yeah…!!! W for war criminal…???
jgmoebus
December 31st, 2011 at 9:45 pm
Actuallyt, MvGuy, Kissinger was the Cheney Regime's first choice to head the 9/11 Commission. However, he resigned after one week at the helm because it would have required him to disclose all of his consultant firm's clients so as to preclude any possible or perceived "conflicts of interest."
Madjid
January 1st, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Recycling 911 from Afghan/ Taliban/ Alqaida to Iraq now it is Iran, I can't tell what US public thinks about the new 911 culpirit…but people around the globe may think US public will believe this new findings
musings
January 1st, 2012 at 2:39 pm
9/11 – the gift that keeps on giving. If you don't care about the truth, you are condemned to go to war whenever your betters decide. The nails in the coffin are mounting. Soon American liberty will be put in the cold, cold ground, where it will be long gone and forgotten in the next generation.
Meanwhile, "truther" is an epithet.
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