I am addicted to Rachel Maddow: although my politics are somewhere to the right of Ayn Rand, and I have little patience with the paeans to the Great Leader that characterize MSNBC’s election year coverage, I must confess to watching Rachel’s show nearly five times a week. When she goes into one of her particularly partisan rants, I simply deploy the mute button: aside from that, I enjoy her humor, her relaxed demeanor, and her vivacity.
It wasn’t always so: years before she attained stardom, I was invited to be a guest on her Air America show. Being in a particularly grumpy and reactionary mood that day, but not knowing who she was, I googled her and discovered she was a lefty: after contemplating the possibility of going on with the deliberate intention of antagonizing her and her audience, I nixed the interview.
We all make mistakes, but that one was one of my more knuckleheaded moments. However, now that she’s a Media Star in the cable news firmament, and has written a book – on American foreign policy! – I get to make amends by giving her book a plug – albeit with a few caveats.
Drift: The Unmooring of American Military Power (Crown Publishers, 275 pp.) is a fun read – and a serious one. It is full of little interpolations – like after her description of how Ed Meese evaded Sen. Daniel Inouye’s questioning in a congressional hearing on the Boland Amendment, which simply reads: "Ta da!" This can be distracting, but, hey, Rachel writes the way she talks – a good way to write a magazine piece or an internet column, but less impressive in book form. Nevertheless, it’s a style most readers will find amenable, and one that will certainly please her fans.
The book starts out with a telling anecdote: in the little town where Rachel lived, in Hampshire county, Massachusetts, the cornucopia of "Homeland Security" tax dollars provided funding to build a "Public Safety Complex" to house the fire truck. Because, you see, the brand new fire truck – also courtesy of the Homeland Security boondoggle — was too big to fit in their old firehouse: "So then we got some more Homeland money to build something big enough to house the new truck." And that’s not all they got: just beyond her neighbor’s back fence sits the pump house of the town’s municipal water supply. Most everyone is on private wells in that part of rural New England, but a few have been hooked up to the municipal water supply, and that supply is now guarded – thanks to the Homeland Security spending orgy — "by an eight foot chain link fence topped by barbed wire," complete with "a motion-sensitive electronically controlled motorized gate." The local folks, we are told, call it "Little Guantanamo." Okay, so no real harm done, right? Well, it turns out there’s a downside to this government largesse, as Maddow tells it:
"Mostly, it’s funny, but there is some neighborly consternation over how frowsy Little Guantanamo gets every summer. Even though it it’s town-owned land, access to Little Guantanamo is apparently above the security clearance of the guy paid to mow and brush-god. Right up to the fence, it’s my neighbors’ land and they keep everything trim and tidy. But inside that fence, the grass gets eye-high. It’s going feral in there."
A clearer example of the folly of "public" property couldn’t be invented: as any libertarian will tell her, the problem is the lack of individual ownership. Of course her neighbor keeps his or her property trim and tidy: that’s what individuals do when they own something like a piece of rural property that needs constant maintenance. When some distant federal agency is responsible for its upkeep, however, it’s a far different story, as the feral state of Little Guantanamo so eloquently testifies.
Ah, but the problem was that the caretaker didn’t have a security clearance – a detail that may or may not be sarcasm: in today’s world, it’s increasingly hard to tell. In any case, this example perfectly illustrates the theme of Drift: how the matchless military machine we’ve built and reinforced a thousand-fold post-9/11 became detached from public oversight, public interest, and common sense. The national security state, she says, has "become a leviathan" – sounding more like Ron Paul than your typical MSNBC’er. We are on "autopilot," with our wars, our ever-expanding military budget, and the tragedy is that the people seem inured to it. The business of empire has become routine.
Maddow also does something else in this book that will please conservative constitutionalists and libertarians, not just her "base" audience of 20 and 20-something liberals: she constantly points to the Founding Fathers’ warnings against militarism, and the dangers of unchecked centralized authority in the hands of a monarchical chief executive. The book is prefaced with a quote by James Madison: "Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded …" A constant theme in Drift, which describes the rise of the national security leviathan in roughly chronological order, is the arrogation of the war-making power to the President. This dangerous trend, she avers, can be traced to … Ronald Reagan, who had to think fast in order to wriggle out of the Iran-Contra scandal. Rachel tells us that it was all Ed Meese’s fault, for coming up with the concept of the "unitary presidency" – a legal doctrine expanded by both George W. Bush and the Obama administration.
This is pure malarkey. The unmooring of the war-making power from Congress to the executive was achieved, not by Reagan and Meese but by Harry Truman and Dean Acheson, Truman’s Secretary of State, who cited the authority of a United Nations resolution as all the legal justification needed for ordering US troops to Korea. Indeed, even this thin pretext was an invention, for the UN Security Council had never granted such permission, but Mr. The-Buck-Stops-Here also believed The Buck Starts Here – here being the White House, as opposed to where the Constitution locates it.
At the outset of the Korean war, on the left only Rep. Vito Marcantonio, of the Communist-controlled American Labor Party, opposed Truman’s usurpation of the war-making power. In the public square, it was left to the doughty old ultra-conservative Chicago Tribune to opine that "not one Korean in a thousand is worth the life of a husband, a son, or a brother." If China going communist wasn’t sufficient provocation to go to war, thundered the Tribune, then why die for Korea? Conservative columnist John O’Donnell seconded that motion, doubting whether South Korea was "worth a black eye on the face of one American soldier." John T. Flynn, a former liberal turned conservative constitutionalist, declared that the United States was "definitely and permanently launched on a career of militarism" as "an economic institution."
In Congress, it was the Republicans, led by Sen. Robert A. Taft, who attacked Truman’s precedent-setting decree. "If the President can intervene in Korea without Congressional approval," said Taft, "then he can go to war in Malaya, or Indonesia, or Iran, or South America." The liberal journals of opinion, The New Republic and The Nation, attacked the Republicans for their "appeasement" of the commies, deriding the "Stalinist caucus" in Congress and the conservative media. (The Democrats made "appeasement" a big issue in Taft’s reelection campaign, viciously attacking him for being "soft on communism," albeit without much success: he won in a landslide.) In 1951, Taft introduced a resolution forbidding the President to send troops abroad without congressional approval. Herbert Hoover went on the radio to demand US evacuation from the Korean peninsula.
Truman’s congressional supporters, in arguing in favor of the President’s unilateral action, averred that we were fighting a new kind of war. Like the theoreticians and grand strategists of our own endless "war on terrorism," the "experts" of yesteryear – liberal Democrats all – openly claimed the constitutional restraints on the war-making function of government had been rendered obsolete. Not only due to the emergence of atomic weaponry but also because of the very nature of the Communist enemy: a worldwide demonic conspiracy against Our Way of Life whose adherents were driven by an inhuman ruthlessness.
The moment when America morphed from a republic into an empire, and the president became an executive more powerful than any Roman emperor, was described by the libertarian writer Garet Garrett a few years later:
"After President Truman, alone and without either the consent or knowledge of Congress, had declared war on the Korean aggressor, 7000 miles away, Congress condoned his usurpation of its exclusive Constitutional power. More than that, his political supporters in Congress argued that in the modern case that sentence in the Constitution conferring upon Congress the sole power to declare war was obsolete.
"Mark you, the words had not been erased; they still existed in form. Only, they had become obsolete. And why obsolete? Because war may now begin suddenly, with bombs falling out of the sky, and we might perish while waiting for Congress to declare war."
We could rephrase that to read: "Because war may now begin suddenly, with planes falling out of the sky, and we might perish while waiting for Congress to declare war." Such reasoning is as puerile today as it was then, but the citizenry has changed in ways neither Garrett nor the Founding Fathers would approve. No, it didn’t begin with Reagan, as any historical detective without Maddow’s partisan bias would soon discover with the invaluable aid of Google. A few months after Truman’s usurpation, Garrett notes:
"Mr. Truman sent American troops to Europe to join an international army, and did it not only without a law, without even consulting Congress, but challenged the power of Congress to stop him. Congress made all the necessary sounds of anger and then poulticed its dignity with a resolution saying it was all right for that one time, since anyhow it had been done, but that hereafter it would expect to be consulted.
"At that time the Foreign Relations Committee of the Senate asked the State Department to set forth in writing what might be called the position of Executive Government. The State Department, obligingly responded with a document entitled, ‘Powers of the President to Send Troops Outside of the United States—Prepared for the use of the joint committee made up of the Committee on Foreign Relations and the Committee on Armed Forces of the Senate, February 28, 1951.’
"This document, in the year circa 2950, will be a precious find for any historian who may be trying then to trace the departing footprints of the vanished American Republic. For the information of the United States Senate it said:
"’As this discussion of the respective powers of the President and Congress had made clear, constitutional doctrine has been largely moulded by practical necessities. Use of the congressional power to declare war, for example, has fallen into abeyance because wars are no longer declared in advance.’
"Caesar might have said it to the Roman Senate. If constitutional doctrine is molded by necessity, what is a written Constitution for?
The "international army" Garrett refers to was the first contingent of US troops sent to bolster the forces of NATO, which was then being born. That today NATO forces are fighting in Afghanistan, in the front lines of our latest war against an Implacable Enemy, is one of those little ironies of history us right-wing "isolationists" get to enjoy all to ourselves. Because apparently nobody else – least of all lefty MSNBC anchors who write books – seems to know the real history of how American presidents got to act as if they were Roman emperors, sending our centurions to the far-flung corners of the Empire at whim.
For some reason I didn’t expect this book to be quite so partisan: perhaps, being a Maddow fan, I have my own biases. Yet even in the discussion of the Vietnam war, it seems only Republicans – Nixon and Ford – come in for criticism. Lyndon Baines Johnson and John F. Kennedy get off scott free: we’re come a long way from "Hey hey LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" – the favorite slogan of the left-wing antiwar movement during that tumultuous era.
When it comes to the Reagan years, Maddow points to the intellectual and political primacy of the "Team B" neoconservatives, who grossly overestimated Soviet military prowess in order to ramp up defense spending, and yet she misses the neocon-Reaganite conflict over Lebanon – Reagan got out against their advice – and Reagan’s reasonable response to the dramatic implosion of communism, which the neocons thought was a clever ploy to lull the West. Reagan – correctly – believed the terminal crisis of communism was real. Maddow the partisan is blind to this history.
The invasion of Grenada gets a full chapter, but the Balkan war conducted by the Clintons is mentioned favorably: there is nary a hint that President Clinton never went to Congress for approval to use force, and no discussion of Republican opposition to that war – with the Republican House threatening to cut off funding, a move denounced as near-treason by Democratic partisans (and Bill Kristol) at the time. Clinton’s bombing of Iraq, the precursor to the Bush invasions, is not part of Maddow’s history. Likewise, Libya – the Obama administration’s reiteration of Truman’s precedent — is entirely missing from this account.
Maddow is at her best in her critique of the drone war, and the CIA’s drift into becoming an unaccountable secret military organization that conducts wars without congressional oversight — and without public knowledge. Her critique of the privatization program initiated by the Pentagon under the second Bush administration is valuable in that she points out how this has reinforced the secrecy and unaccountability that has unmoored our war-making (and policy-making) elites from the Constitution, the public consciousness, and the rule of law. War, she concludes, "has become almost an autonomous function of the American state. It never stops."
A high point of this book is the chapter entitled "An $8 Trillion Fungus Among Us," a riveting account of how our nuclear weapons arsenal has degenerated over time and become a deadly danger to those it was designed to defend. Nuclear fuzes, for example, are failing, but there is no one who knows any longer how to fix them. Maddow quotes one government report to the effect that the Department of Energy "had lost knowledge of how to manufacture the material because it had kept few records of the process when the material was made in the 1980s and almost all staff with expertise on production had retired or left the agency." "Maybe this should have been a sign," she remarks:
"When all the scientists and engineers are dead, or senile, or at least just fishing, and the know-how is gone with them, isn’t it fair to say that a destroy-the-world-thousands-of-times-over nuclear weapons program has run its course?"
Ya think?
The scary-funny mishaps of our nuclear weapons arsenal – like the time we ejected a couple of nukes in the Spanish countryside – are detailed in Drift to great effect. Did you know we’ve lost track of eleven nukes over the years? And that’s just what they admit to! My favorite is the story about how the government and the Pentagon responded to the truly jaw-dropping accidents and reports of "lost" and decomposing nukes:
"When all the investigations and reviews and task force studies were completed, the consensus was clear: they all found erosion and degradation and a general web of sloth and anciety within our nation’s nuclear mission. The root cause? Lack of self-esteem. The men and women handling the nukes were suffering a debilitating lack of pride. Their promotion rates, it was noted, were well behind the service average. We had to remind them in big ways and small that they were important to us…."
The solution? "Money!" Always more: never less. That’s the rule for all government agencies and institutions, a reality Maddow’s ideology doesn’t let her apply to the civilian sector – but never mind.
Drift is a history of US interventionism seemingly written for readers of the Huffington Post and those who rely on National Public Radio for their regular diet of news and opinion. It lacks any discussion of the idea of "collective security," or any critique of liberal internationalism – glaring omissions in view of the recent trajectory of US foreign policy. In spite of its partisan tone, however, the book succeeds in making an effective (albeit somewhat narrow) case for the reconfiguration of the process by which we go to war – by returning to the Constitution and heeding the warnings of the Founders.
NOTES IN THE MARGIN
This summer, the University of Colorado at Denver is giving a course in the history of American conservative and libertarian thought in America, with a focus on the conservative-libertarian debate. The textbooks include Murray Rothbard’s The Betrayal of the American Right, George Nash’s classic The Conservative Intellectual Movement in America, and my own Reclaiming the American Right: The Lost Legacy of the Conservative Movement. Instructor: Ryan McMaken. You can sign up here, even if you attend CU at a different campus.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Antiwar.com vs. the FBI – May 21st, 2013
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013





John
May 10th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
J.F.K. was going to pull out the troops after the election. He was or planning to do things that Big Oil, the M.I.C., etc. Read J.F.K. And The Unspeakable. Things would have been far different if Kennedy had lived.
mickperry
May 10th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Justin I'm not sure that I even understand what we mean by the terms 'left' and 'right' any more: they seem to belong to another place and time, and if anyone can come up with a working contemporaneous definition of them then I'd be interested to hear it.
I read Ayn Rand thirty years ago, and while I understand her premise, I cant see as to how it has been or ever can be applied to the real world.
I agree with your assessment of Truman et al, as to the emergence of empire, and I tend to see the Reagan years as a time when to use Chomsky's words, "the US government went underground."
Most notably for a democracy, this period of history marked the beginning of the evil eye of empire being turned upon its own citizens, and Iran Contra has a lot to teach us today.
Thanks for an interesting article, much food for thought, and I look forward to reading Rachel's book.
mickperry
May 10th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Justin I'm not sure that I even understand what we mean by the terms 'left' and 'right' any more: they seem to belong to another place and time, and if anyone can come up with a working contemporaneous definition of them then I'd be interested to hear it.
I read Ayn Rand thirty years ago, and while I understand her premise, I cant see as to how it has been or ever can be applied to the real world.
I agree with your assessment of Truman et al, as to the emergence of empire, and I tend to see the Reagan years as a time when to use Chomsky's words, "the US government went underground."
Most notably for a democracy, this period of history marked the beginning of the evil eye of empire being turned upon its own citizens, and Iran Contra has a lot to teach us today.
Thanks for an interesting article, much food for thought, and I look forward to reading Rachel's book.
JLS
May 11th, 2012 at 12:34 am
Justin you make some seriously good points about tracing our out of control government back to Truman and his trumped up excuse to go to war in Korea. Actually you can trace a direct line from Truman's folly to Guantanamo, Obamacare, NDAA or any other example of UNlimited government. Unlimited government began when we unmoored the government from the constitution when Truman chose pragmatics over principles.
Mark
May 11th, 2012 at 3:17 am
"the very nature of the Communist [Islamist, du jour] enemy: a worldwide demonic conspiracy against Our Way of Life whose adherents were driven by an inhuman ruthlessness." …TA DA!!
dcarkuff
May 11th, 2012 at 4:50 am
I haven't watched Rachel in a long time. Back when I did watch, yeah, she would occasionally make an honest, non-partisan observation and do something other than be a cheer leader for Hope and Change. But I also saw a lot of snideness and lack of total honesty when discussing, say, Ron Paul and his positions when it suited her agenda for what she thinks her listeners need to believe.
John V. Walsh
May 11th, 2012 at 5:01 am
Complete conjecture. Kennedy was simply the leader of "the best and the brightest." They remained in office and continued Kennedy's onslaught on Vietnam. So we should stick with what Kennedy did – he followed the advice of Gen. Maxwell Taylor who advocated in his book, An Uncertain Trumpet, building up conventional forces to fight "limited" conventional wars. Kennedy made Taylor Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He – and Kennedy – opposed Eisenhower's reliance on nuclear deterrence in favor of convention wars AND nuclear deterrence.
Eisenhower ended the war in Korea, as he promised in the campaign of 1952 (in contrast to Obama's 2008 lies), a war Truman started without Congressional approval, a first in the history of the US.
This stuff about what Kennedy might have done is so much garbage meant to excuse the pwogwessives and wibewals in the evils of Empire.
Finally the beginning of American Empire has deeper roots – going back to WW1 and the War in the Philippines (against Spain), both overseas wars. We might say it goes back even further to the Mexican war.
But the deepest roots are in the establishment of the U.S. itself which was a colonial adventure to begin with, and the American colonists continued – to colonize! Surprise. They just did it independently of the British empire.
I would argue, however, that the urge to colonize and conquer is deep within Western culture. Its reasons are not fully understood IMHO. But it is not universal. China has no history of overseas conquests even though it had the capacity to do so in the early 1400s – well before the Europeans set out to bring death and destruction to all they could conquer.
Bill Ziebell
May 11th, 2012 at 6:49 am
Justin: The encouraging thing here is that there is common ground for real progressives and real conservative/libertarian. Getting control back to congress and, "We, the People" is what needs to happen, if there is to be any future for the Republic….otherwise the People need , start the process for
the formation of the 2nd Republic….I guess that would be a Constitutional Convention. I would love to hear Justins' thoughts on that! Thanks, Bill, Southern Oregon
Strider55
May 11th, 2012 at 7:30 am
Excellent observation re US presidents and Vietnam. Pretty soon (if it hasn't happened already) school history textbooks will claim the war started on Jan. 20, 1969 — the day Nixon took office. Either that, or they'll claim LBJ was a Republican. And how does Ford figure into anything? Good grief, by the time he succeeded Nixon the US withdrawal was complete and the VC/NVA were less than a year away from rolling into Saigon.
And why are you surprised that "Madcow" ignores the wars of Clinton and Obama? Partisanship aside, those were touted as "humanitarian" wars. As I've said here before, liberals gleefully embrace any war that has the H-word stapled to it. Then they denounce opponents as "hateful," "mean-spirited," "heartless," "cruel" and (their ultimate smear word) "racist."
RickR30
May 11th, 2012 at 7:39 am
Perhaps the roots are even deeper- in genetics. A defect perhaps? Particularly overexpressed in Caucasians.
The tragedy is that we just don't learn from history. Particularly the US elites many of them historians who are relentlessly pushing for this America is great- let's rule the planet non-sense. The Europeans had to learn the hard way that empires and war are a disaster. And I'm afraid that the reckless ivy league morons running this country won't desist until America, too, learns it the hard and very ugly way.
musings
May 11th, 2012 at 8:06 am
The reason Maddow sticks to the left is that when you show all these problems as she does, it is just too depressing (for some) to wait until, as Derek Jacoby says as "I, Claudius", for them to hatch out in the mud. You think there can be solutions, so you back a candidate who seems less likely to make things worse. The neocons who scampered around the Bush White House while he played a blustering role as their enabler-in-chief, have pretty much slunk away for the time being. Obama has been up to lots of other things which are pretty bad (hard to top the invasion of Iraq), and he too has trashed the Constitution, but he keeps wooing the left with statements like his stand on gay marriage, while keeping religion down to a dull roar in any statement he might make.
Nevertheless, as Maddow points out, the juggernaut of Homeland Security rolls on, and the real and credible threats which come not from people but from failing infrastructure (a la the former Soviet Union) lie unaddressed like the broccoli on a school child's plate. That's where she could put any candidate's feet to the fire as in "What are you going to do about this misallocation of resources?" At least she wrote the book, and I'll be perusing it. I'm glad Justin is willing to give credit where it is due. Objectivity is a virtue sadly lacking in the public sphere these days, and it gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling when I see it.
WashingtonDC goddamn
May 11th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Perhaps the supreme elitist, President Obama, needs to write a new book explaining his war on Africa: "Resentment Of My Father". Ta-da?!?
guest
May 11th, 2012 at 8:59 am
G.H.W. Bush, was a one term president, guess he should have invaded Iraq, rather than just push them back. But under the Geneva Convention, if you invade and take it over, then you are responsible to rebuild it.
I have no love for Bush, Mr. Read My Lips, No New Taxes, just pointing it out.
JSD
May 11th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Very astute reading of history John. I suppose the Mongols must have been Western Europeans? The Arabs who over ran most the Eastern Roman empire, spain, and invaded France were Western Europeans to? I guess the Ottoman Empire had no ingrained desire to conquer and colonize? Nor the ancient Persian or Sassinad Empires? I hear the Aztec's were loved by all their neighbors because they never waged aggressive war ever, only Europeans do that. I could go on but whats the point. If Maddow herself wrote a history of the world Im sure it would use asinine reasoning like yours to explain how Europeans are inherently blood thirsty devils and need to be ashamed of their very existence.
Watson
May 11th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Remember, Kennedy only sent trainers/advisers to Vietnam, as we do today to lots of countries. It was Johnson who sent the first combat troops to 'Nam in 1965. And under Johnson, the number of troops steadily climbed throughout the rest of his term. After Nixon (considered the 'peace' candidate) took over, the number of troops there steadily decreased. Problem was, Nixon moved way too slow to end our involvement.
Aireck
May 11th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Maddow was definitely pwnd here.
What I don't get is how seemingly smart people can have such partisan blinders on and NOT see their bias. I keep thinking they must just be bought off. Does she even squirm reading something like this?; does she cover her ears going "la,la,la,la…" when someone like this speaks the truth? WTF?
Thanks for saving me the money I would have spent buying the book. I was tempted to. I'll donate it instead to Antiwar.com.
Oswaldwasalefty
May 11th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Yes, if just one good, powerful white man had lived a little longer, why everything would have been set right in Indochina. Nonsense. The assassination of Diem and the end of the civilian facade of the neo-colonial Saigon regime guaranteed that the internal conflicts of French Indochina would be settled on the battlefield, which is exactly what happened and what policy planners in Washington wanted. They couldn't win the war politically, so they opted to push it into the military arena, where the U.S. always dominates and wins. JFK was up for pulling out, but only after the NLF, the legitimate representative organization of rural South Vietnam, was crushed.
Cambodia also had something to say to JFK's government after the Diem assassination, which was "no thanks, you go to hell". Sihanouk's government suspended all U.S. "aid" programs on November 20, 1963. Three days BEFORE JFK was assassinated. A very bold move for a small, poor former colony that was ahead of its time. The whole of the Latin American continent and much of the rest of the Third World is engaged in this kind of rebellion against Washington today. But who cares what a small former French colony, populated by non-white people, has to say, right? Instead let's prop up the legend of a hardcore Cold War Hawk as a peace maker, and look for a broader conspiracy to kill him, rather than listen to and understand what the peoples of the nations of the former French Indochina had to say about U.S. policy.
Chomsky has written about this topic a lot. He thinks that the reason for the framing of JFK as a saint is cultural. It didn't happen until 1968 and after it became fashionable to be a critic of the War, and be "against the war". Not on the grounds that it was an immoral war of aggression, but that it was too costly and the policy of crushing the NLF and North Vietnam with the military might of the U.S. wasn't going to work. If U.S. Vietnam policy did fail, then it must be the fault of that foul mouthed rancher from Texas, LBJ, followed up by the right winger from Southern California. It couldn't possibly be the fault of nice liberal Democrats walking around the campuses of the elite colleges of Boston, and especially their heroes the Kennedy's.
gerryhiles
May 11th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Always an arbitrary 'starting point' for every historical trajectory and/or narrative posing as THE history.
I am with you John and so much more you could no doubt cite … me too.
gerryhiles
May 11th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Yes Mick. And Justin seems awfully confused, or really is confusing for others, whilst clear in his own mind as to what "to the right of Ayn Rand" means?
I was not raised in the US and so I have little first-hand experience of decades of vilification of 'the left', socialists, liberals, progressives, moderates and the conflation of all as "commies".
Seems that Justin fits in well with the bye-gone(?) era of McCarthyism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
Maybe that is what being even more 'right' than Ayn Rand is?
In conventional terms – even within the propagandized US – Justin's claim be be 'extreme right' can only really mean fascist.
Weird to say the least. Mind-bending.
No way will Justin admit that his fascist government at least allowed Sept eleven – nor Ron Paul.
Extreme libertarians simultaneously want total freedom from any form of government, but also defend Washington to the hilt, when it comes to the red flag that has 'justified' all current wars.
How can anyone be "anti-war" AND refuse to examine pretexts. Orwellian.
gerryhiles
May 11th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Yes Mick. And Justin seems awfully confused, or really is confusing for others, whilst clear in his own mind as to what "to the right of Ayn Rand" means?
I was not raised in the US and so I have little first-hand experience of decades of vilification of 'the left', socialists, liberals, progressives, moderates and the conflation of all as "commies".
Seems that Justin fits in well with the bye-gone(?) era of McCarthyism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
Maybe that is what being even more 'right' than Ayn Rand is?
In conventional terms – even within the propagandized US – Justin's claim be be 'extreme right' can only really mean fascist.
Weird to say the least. Mind-bending.
No way will Justin admit that his fascist government at least allowed Sept eleven – nor Ron Paul.
Extreme libertarians simultaneously want total freedom from any form of government, but also defend Washington to the hilt, when it comes to the red flag that has 'justified' all current wars.
How can anyone be "anti-war" AND refuse to examine pretexts. Orwellian.
Oswaldwasalefty
May 11th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
"…Kennedy only sent trainers/advisers to Vietnam, as we do today to lots of countries. It was Johnson who sent the first combat troops to 'Nam in 1965…"
Not true: http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/02/14/empire-and…
Chomsky has been pointing out that the U.S. invasion of South Vietnam started in 1962. There was absolutely no opposition to the policy, and, hence, almost nobody remembers when direct U.S. military action began in Vietnam. It began in SOUTH VIETNAM, and it was overwhelmingly a war against RURAL SOUTH VIETNAM, follow by RURAL LAOS and RURAL CAMBODIA, NOT North Vietnam: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viet_Cong_and_PAVN_s…
mickperry
May 12th, 2012 at 12:52 am
After reading Ayn Rand's novels and one of her critiques I concluded much the same; basically a Nazi wet-dream.
I'm baffled about Justin's take on private ownership also. He writes of tending garden plots and appears to suggest that if we were all to privately own a nuke then they would be better maintained.
I'd better try reading it again..
james
May 12th, 2012 at 2:35 am
For some strange reason, I am totally abhorred by almost all the news media and talk shows in the US and most of Europe. I do not care what they represent or the message they try to promote.
There isa no way you can be a star in the US media if you are not bought and paid for.
james
May 12th, 2012 at 2:35 am
For some strange reason, I am totally abhorred by almost all the news media and talk shows in the US and most of Europe. I do not care what they represent or the message they try to promote.
There isa no way you can be a star in the US media if you are not bought and paid for.
Ron Johnson
May 12th, 2012 at 4:22 am
Good idea. I think you bring too much of your own intellectual baggage to the things you read instead of letting the work speak for itself. Your internal political paradigm does not allow you to hear what is being said. Rand was a complicated individual with personal issues that many of us find distasteful, but the thrust of her philosophy, as expressed her novels, is the exact polar opposite of authoritarianism, whether Nazi, Communist, or Neo-Con. Justin's comment about the deteriorating nukes was a swipe at Maddow's implied belief that the problems with owning a nuclear arsenal could be solved with some more money. If you're a regular reader here, you'll know that nuclear weapons and MAD are considered deeply flawed concepts.
joe anon 1
May 12th, 2012 at 10:56 am
rachel loves the wars against arabs, muslims.
mickperry
May 12th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Sorry Ron but when I read Ayn Rand I saw the paradox of authoritarianism and not its polar opposite. Must be my internal political paradigm playing me up again.
I have no knowledge whatsoever of her personal distasteful complexity and am therefore unable to comment. I do remember that the sex in 'The Fountain-head' was distinctly weird.
Meanwhile would you like to try and define 'left' and 'right' for me?
JSD
May 12th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
If the starting point of history is arbitrary then God help us. I think John had a great post going until the whole "Europeans are especially evil" thing. It's clearly so false only a public school teacher would disagree. Then you have Rick talking about Caucasian genetic defects. Great Rick Im sure Eric Holder would love to have you on his staff.
quizmasterchris
May 12th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Coiuld we please stop referring to cheerleaders for Democrats as "the left"? Apparently the actual left has been missing in this country for such a long time that people no longer know what that means. There's nothing that the corporate-enriching Obamas and Clintons of the world do that is remotely "left." They use the state to steal from the poor and middle classes and give more to the rich. It's a bassackwards anti-socialism. State corporatism, regressive taxation and a permanent anti-Third World war footing is not "the left", not any more than permanent intervention is "conservative." Truth be told honest conservatives (libertarians) and genuine leftists share a great deal of general policy positions, if arrived at differently.
Generalissimo X
May 13th, 2012 at 9:52 am
it is a fact of record that kennedy realized vietnam for the debacle it was and would become. he had no intentions of escalating further and did not want regular army on the ground. he also created a lot of enemies in the cia with not going forward with bay of pigs. while i agree saying what kennedy would have done is conjecture to some extent, there was a reason the shadow gov't blew his head off in dallas and installed lbj as war monger in chief.
as for your diss of europeans,,take it back to the 90's. you sound like the pathetic PC thugs i had to listen to at NYU. white people bad! white people bad! nice trope but completely inaccurate. show me a race of people and i can show you genocide.
Bman
May 13th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
The quote attributed to Senator Taft, "then he can go to war in Malaya, or Indonesia, or Iran, or South America," raises a pedantic question. Didn't American senators in the 1950s refer to Iran as Persia, just as they continue refer to Burma instead of Myanmar? If Taft did use the word Iran, was that a deliberate part of his anti-war rhetoric?