Robert Bales – Lone Nut or Scapegoat?
What are the Americans hiding?
The murder of 17 Afghan civilians – most of them children – by staff sergeant Robert Bales may be far worse than we think at present. The semi-official story, as related by our compliant news media, is that a formerly model soldier went bananas under the pressure of war-related injuries, financial problems at home, and the all-purpose PTSD explanation for military misbehavior, whereupon he decided – at 3 am in the morning, after drinking with his army buddies – to walk the couple of miles to an Afghan village, shoot 16 people sleeping in their beds, pile the bodies atop a funeral pyre and set the whole thing alight.
How did he get out of the base at 3 am unchallenged and without anyone’s knowledge? How did he manage to do so much damage alone? These questions automatically register in the minimally critical mind – unless, of course, you’re an American reporter, who is quite used to accepting what our government tells us without question. On the other hand, without clear evidence of another – darker – scenario, all one can do is engage in problematic speculation. That problem has been solved, however, because evidence of an alternative explanation is now coming to light which throws the whole "lone nut" theory into question.
A few days before Bales went postal, there was a bomb attack on a US convoy in which a friend of Bales’s lost a leg: Bales’s lawyer has been detailing his client’s anger at this incident, implying it precipitated the murder spree. There are indications, however, that this is not the whole story. One local resident relates how the Americans paid a visit to the village where the killings took place and threatened residents with retaliation:
"Ghulam Rasool, a tribal elder from Panjwai district, gave an account of the bombing at a March 16 meeting in Kabul with Mr Karzai in the wake of the shootings. ‘After the incident, they took the wreckage of their destroyed tank and their wounded people from the area," Mr Rasool said. ‘After that, they came back to the village nearby the explosion site. The soldiers called all the people to come out of their houses and from the mosque,’ he said. ‘The Americans told the villagers ‘A bomb exploded on our vehicle. … We will get revenge for this incident by killing at least 20 of your people,’ Mr Rasool said."
So there was a direct threat, and not specifically from Bales but from an organized group of American soldiers presumably under the command of US army officers. Even more sinister is this report from the Christian Science Monitor:
"Several Afghans near the villages where an American soldier is alleged to have killed 16 civilians say U.S. troops lined them up against a wall after a roadside bombing and told them that they, and even their children, would pay a price for the attack.
"…One Mokhoyan resident, Ahmad Shah Khan, told The Associated Press that after the bombing, U.S. soldiers and their Afghan army counterparts arrived in his village and made many of the male villagers stand against a wall.
"’It looked like they were going to shoot us, and I was very afraid,’ Khan said. ‘Then a NATO soldier said through his translator that even our children will pay for this. Now they have done it and taken their revenge.’"
Another resident of Mokhoyan, Naek Mohammad, says that on the day of the IED attack he heard a loud explosion, went outside to investigate, and spoke with a neighbor. As they spoke, a group of Afghan army soldiers rounded them up and stood them against a wall. Mohammad says:
"’One of the villagers asked what was happening. The Afghan army soldier told him, ‘Shut up and stand there.’ Mohammad said a U.S. soldier, speaking through a translator, then said: ‘I know you are all involved and you support the insurgents. So now, you will pay for it — you and your children will pay for this.’"
Bales murdered 17 civilians, half of them children sleeping in their bed.
The Afghan parliament is investigating, and they aren’t buying the Americans’ story of a "lone nut." Nor is President Hamid Karzai:
"In an emotional meeting with relatives of the shooting victims, Karzai said the villagers’ accounts of the massacre were widely different from the scenario depicted by U.S. military officials. The relatives and villagers insisted that it was impossible for one gunmen to kill nine children, four men and three women in three houses of two villages near a U.S. combat outpost in southern Afghanistan.
"Karzai pointed to one of the villagers from Panjwai district of Kandahar province and said:
"’In his family, in four rooms people were killed — children and women were killed — and then they were all brought together in one room and then set on fire. That, one man cannot do.’
"Karzai said the delegation he sent to Kandahar province to investigate the shootings did not receive the expected co-operation from the United States. He said many questions remained about what occurred, and he would be raising the questions with the U.S. military ‘very loudly.’"
The infamous "night raids" carried out by US troops have been a source of contention between Karzai and the Americans. As one commentator described them:
"The method employed is simple: Identify those who provide financial support or protection to the militants. And those who even have sympathies with them. Constitute teams which would go to the houses so identified, knock at the door and as soon as the wanted man appears, shoot him dead. At times a substitute is killed who may be a guest in the house but was unlucky to greet the intruders at the door. On an average about 50 night raids take place daily. And every night about 25 people are killed in cold blood in different parts of the country."
This is the "new" counterinsurgency doctrine – which is supposed to win "hearts and minds" – in practice: a program of systematic terror designed to dry up support for the Taliban by driving up the costs of collaborating with them. One may credibly argue it isn’t working, but this question seems beside the point: such a murderous strategy mandates the commission of war crimes. Whether it is "working" or not is irrelevant.
Another suspicious aspect of this whole affair is the extraordinary aura of secrecy surrounding it. The Pentagon kept Bales’s identity under wraps as long as it could, unlike in the case of, say, Major Hasan, the Ft. Hood shooter, whose name was out there almost as soon as the news hit the wires. In addition, they have treated Bales as if he were a cache of radioactive material, keeping him in complete isolation after spiriting him out of Afghanistan to Kuwait – without having notified the Kuwaitis – where his presence caused consternation and protests from the local authorities when it was discovered. He was soon back in the US, greeted by a cascade of sympathetic accounts in the media detailing his battlefield injuries, his "patriotic" persona, his alleged PTSD, and his myriad financial problems. As of this writing, he has been charged with 17 counts of murder: apparently the initial count of the dead was wrong.
The Afghans say the US military has been less than cooperative with the parliamentary investigation, and the Afghan chief of staff claims he was refused permission to see Bales. All of this has led to an outcry in Afghanistan, where the local are saying this was an organized revenge killing rather than Sergeant Psycho on a rampage. Which raises an intriguing question: organized by whom?
It seems to me there are two possibilities:
1) This was the result of a "rogue" group of soldiers acting on their own, motivated by the previous IED attack. Reports that Bales was drinking with a group of other soldiers the night of the massacre conjure images of a late-night venting climaxed by a senseless act of terror.
2) It was a "night raid" gone horribly wrong. This is suggested by the fact that the "official" story of what happened that night limns these night raids to a tee, except for the number of military personnel involved. And Karzai has a point: it is certainly possible Bales went to two residences, killed 16 women and children, and then gathered up the bodies and burned them in the space of a couple of hours, with no assistance from anyone — but how likely is it? About as likely as Bales’s claim not to remember anything of that night.
What is striking is how seamlessly these two scenarios blend into each other: even if this heinous crime was carried out by a "rogue" group of soldiers, how different is it from those night raids where they are acting under orders? The direct threats issued to the villagers, however, points to the possibility that they were acting with the knowledge of at least some higher-ups, who must have authorized the round-up, the use of a translator, and even the participation of the Afghan army.
What is worrying is that the numerous reports coming out of Afghanistan of rampant war crimes committed by "rogue" soldiers – "kill teams" – indicates a complete breakdown of the US chain of command. At the top of the command structure, the grand strategists and theoreticians are constructing elaborate theories of counterinsurgency warfare designed to win over the populace and deny the Taliban a victory. However, by the time "clear, hold, and build" trickles down to the ranks in the field, it becomes "clear, hold, and kill."
The reason is because no theory of counterinsurgency warfare, no strategy — no matter how clever — can win the hearts and minds of an occupied people. We can clear the Taliban out of a district, and even hold it with enough troops, but all we are building, in the end, is resentment and hatred of our presence.
The villagers are saying this was an act of revenge, but doesn’t that accurately describe the entire Afghan campaign in a nutshell? Short of actually getting Osama bin Laden at the outset of the invasion, revenge for the 9/11 attacks was clearly the reason we stayed after the battle of Tora Bora. The thin pretext given by the Bush administration — and, subsequently, the Obama administration – was that we had to stay in order to deprive al-Qaeda of a "safe haven." When it was discovered al-Qaeda was no longer around, the War Party turned to its fallback position: we can’t leave, they said, because the real "safe haven" is in Pakistan, and we need to guard the Afghan-Pakistan border to not only prevent the terrorists’ return but also to strike at them in their newfound lair.
The latest massacre has put the administration in a precarious position, not only with our Afghan allies but also with the American public. Story after story of nasty atrocities isn’t helping the battle for hearts and minds on the home front: polls show most Americans want out sooner rather than later. A deluge of sympathetic stories about the accused killer isn’t going to change this. What remains to be seen, however, is how this crime is going to be investigated – or not investigated – by the US military. If the testimony of the villagers contradicting the "lone nut" theory continues to be ignored by the Americans, we’ll know a cover up is in progress.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013
- Carla del Ponte’s Faux Pas – May 7th, 2013





skulz fontaine
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:14 pm
"Lone nut theory" would be the entire US misadventure in the Afghaniscam.
Johnny in Wi.
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Killing people in their homes in the middle of the night sounds like something from the Soviet Union's secret police, or Hitler's Night of the Long Knives. I heard a story from a very old and honest friend about something an elder of his Church told him. He was guarding German prisoners after the war was just over. A German prisoner had secreted a knife and killed a guard. A sargent pulled out his 45 and mowed down 50 innocent prisoners, as well as the guy who had killed the guard. I have heard similar stories about WW2 from other people, I have known as well. After all these years the elder of the church was still very very upset about what that sargent did. What was the Morgenthou Plan but an attempt to kill 30 million Germans after the war for revenge.
John
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Personally saw this heinous crap happen repeatedly in Vietnam. And the beat goes on.
Shackleford
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:31 pm
The bodies have been buried, but did anyone bother to remove the bullets? That would clear up things on the lone wolf aspect. If you have bullets from multiple rifles of the same caliber, or multiple rifles of different calibers, then that would indicate the suspect did not act alone. That seems like the first thing a prosecuting team should do. Just ask Gary Sinise.
mickperry
March 23rd, 2012 at 12:14 am
This is also eerily reminiscent of Reagan's death squads in Latin America during the 1980's. One notable difference is that while local proxies were used in the earlier war of terror, US forces are now being directly employed. In this respect the current 'battle to win hearts and minds' is identical to its earlier incarnation, and is not being waged to institute good-will at all, but rather to instill terror. It doesn't matter whether they hate you, so long as they fear you.
Yonatan
March 23rd, 2012 at 2:01 am
"U.S. troops lined them up against a wall after a roadside bombing and told them that they, and even their children, would pay a price for the attack"
So the US has now adopted 'price tag' attacks. How appropriate.
james
March 23rd, 2012 at 3:13 am
The lone nut theory does not hold water because of the following:
1- American soldiers are inherently cowards, they only move in convoys and shoot any place up at the sign of moving ant. This guy did not walk 2 miles alone.
2- walking alone he would be detected and dealt with by Afghans defending their country, remember they did warn the civilian villagers, so people know something might happen.
DHC
March 23rd, 2012 at 3:34 am
You're right. One needs only to look to the El Mozote massacre for a sick comparison to Bale's (a la US) systematic murdering.
musings
March 23rd, 2012 at 5:56 am
This is where the US is badly broken. Afghanistan shows the strains, but our policies are already thuggish even in small ways. I have scant hope for the real story to be brought out unless some US soldier has a conscience (as in Vietnam with MyLai).
At the present moment, the crowd at the usual magic act of cover-up which the government does is focused on Robert Bales. Will he or won't he get the death penalty. How long would it take for him to be executed? A generation they say. So he will either be pardoned or commit a convenient suicide or perhaps sit there awaiting something for twenty years or more.
But if the Afghans have it as it happened (and the outcome makes more sense than a drunken soldier killing 16 – no 17 – people in a frenzy), then here is how it looks to me:
1) The Americans had a theory that the source of attacks on them was the Taliban (like the Viet Cong of old).
2) They were sure they had cleared them out of the village and they allowed a return of villagers.
3) Then the mine hit the vehicle and took off the leg of someone.
4) They decided that the device had actually come from the villagers so even though nobody had been killed that time, they were now nervous and they feared the next time one of them would die.
5) So, speaking what they imagined was a language which everyone could understand, they decided on a Nazi-style reprisal (cf. Oradour-sur-Glane) rather than to freak out some time in the future with a more emotional attack (MyLai, if that version is true rather than a more cold-blooded Nazi-style one). This premeditated attack threat was apparently not taken seriously (?) by the villagers themselves. I wonder why. Could they have alerted their own government?
6)Whether or not the villager's version is true, it means they have absolutely no confidence in US forces being in their area anymore. They intend to have them out. Karzai also wants them out.
7) If the words that were reported said by US command in the village were really said, then at least Bales took them seriously.
musings
March 23rd, 2012 at 6:02 am
So – the villagers may have been expecting them and as you say, American soldiers do not just walk around on their own, they are decked out in body armor and traveling with a convoy. They ain't no Hawkeye types (unless they are CIA operatives in "mufti"). Was Bales an exception? Not that dude, not from what he seems to have been in the past – a flim-flam broker.
Stella
March 23rd, 2012 at 6:06 am
"Bales murdered 17 civilians, half of them children sleeping in their bed."
I'm pretty sure it was only the first victim (if any) that was sleeping. I keep hearing the news report they were "killed in their sleep." After the first shot was fired, you can bet the other children were wide awake when they were being killed.
musings
March 23rd, 2012 at 6:21 am
But first the authorities have to want to solve the crime. It looks like the Afghans know what happened and so do the Americans. Nobody is trying to solve a mystery. The question is which side is putting out lies – and given what I know about the US and our history, it seems more likely it is the US.
musings
March 23rd, 2012 at 6:28 am
You are right. Anyone who didn't wake up would have to be under anesthesia.
There was also by some account rape and humiliation involved. That would mean that someone took into consideration that a mother would try to protect her child. The drunken frenzy theory of this killing does not fit the circumstances. Someone thought through what a mother would feel (any idiot knows she would have done anything to protect her children), and decided to disarm by probably forcing her to disrobe (a well-known Nazi tactic). It was more than one man pulling this off.
dink
March 23rd, 2012 at 6:43 am
The whole policy is wrong from the top then it trickles down.
Watson
March 23rd, 2012 at 6:53 am
Exactly. I have been waiting for a ballistics report, but am not holding my breath waiting. I am sure there are still lots of bullets lodged in walls, floors, etc. The big question to be answered is how many guns were involved.
Watson
March 23rd, 2012 at 6:55 am
I wonder if any of the other soldiers on the base suddenly got a R&R leave back to the States.
JoaoAlfaiate
March 23rd, 2012 at 7:29 am
Of course we run the risk that a few of these guys could go postal after they get back home…just more blow back from our insane imperial wars.
John V. Walsh
March 23rd, 2012 at 7:46 am
Karzai is a faithful puppet of the US. He pretends to be anti-American, in word but never in deed.
Were he to be seen clearly as the puppet he is, his usefulness would be at an end – and perhaps his life at the hands of the Afghans fighting the occupation or perhaps at the hands of the US if it felt Karzai was no longer useful. (Think Diem whom JFK murdered.)
The Karzai vs US arguments are no more than Kabuki politics.
liberranter
March 23rd, 2012 at 8:06 am
Were Karzai to turn on his masters and become overtly and sincerely anti-American in deed, he would quickly become a corpse, courtesy of a CIA hit squad.
Drake
March 23rd, 2012 at 8:17 am
We want the troops to come hme, but won't that create a new set of problems? One of those PTSD types killed an unarmed, female park ranger. A Army Ranger veteran went berserk and shot at a car with four high school kids, killing one and injury the rest. That happened in my neighborhood. Do we really want a bunch of kill-crazy kids back in our neighborhoods? Incidentally, the Army Ranger is using PTSD as a defense.
RickR30
March 23rd, 2012 at 8:35 am
For one guy armed to the teeth to kill 17 people doesn't seem all that unlikely, one is surprised that number isn't higher. How many bullets do magazines take of whatever weapons he was carrying? Now if there were more people involved, one would assume the number of dead be multiples of that. Another thing is for one guy to rip a house apart to gather wood and drag adult corpses around for a pyre. All this apparently undisturbed? Unless other were standing guard.
If this is one case that came to light one always has to ask how many there are that have gone unreported. This guy will probably be declared mental and walk scot-free like the rest of them. Whether it's one guy or many doesn't change the fact that, things are out of control bother over there and in DC. It's yet another example of a shady character joining the military for who knows what purposes and reasons. And who finds in the military ample opportunity do all sorts of ghastly things without supervision. It's another example of the strong butchering the weak, foreign, dark, poor, helpless for no reason other than an assertion of power, which has become foreign policy.
John_Muhammad
March 23rd, 2012 at 10:30 am
Right now, Karzai is walking a tightrope- he's got to appease the Afghan locals by appearing tough on the US, and he's got to play ball with the US while we're in his back yard. The Taliban is also a factor- he's got to be making behind-the-scenes deals with them in anticipation of the inevitable US pullout, otherwise they'll have his head on a stick by sundown when the last American helicopter leaves the embassy roof. Truth be told, though, his days are probably already numbered and he's working out an escape plan, complete with millions of US dollars stashed away somewhere.
Strider55
March 23rd, 2012 at 10:45 am
Wow, finally someone else made the observation that I did from the get-go. Guns are very noisy things, which is why hearing protection is required at every gun range. It's a cinch the 1st shot would have instantly awoken the entire village, not just the kids. IMHO this fact alone debunks the "lone nut" theory. Absent a supply of subsonic bullets, Bales could have amassed that body count on his own only if he'd used a knife, bayonet or other means of silent killing.
marko
March 23rd, 2012 at 11:04 am
"…no theory of counterinsurgency warfare, no strategy — no matter how clever — can win the hearts and minds of an occupied people. We can clear the Taliban out of a district, and even hold it with enough troops, but all we are building, in the end, is resentment and hatred of our presence."
Well said, Justin; certainly one of the more trenchant truths from your columns.
Cat
March 23rd, 2012 at 11:10 am
Burned bodies point to an attempt to hide evidence in my view.
marko
March 23rd, 2012 at 11:12 am
Yeah – but dude it's OUR problem, NOT the Afghans. The Afghans didn't invite a bunch of sociopaths over to help them become psychopaths. This was INFLICTED on them. Dealing with these broken, shattered, dangerous types of soldiers at home so they don't pose a risk to the rest of the world is just the BEGINNING of our responsibility of setting things right. The absolute minimum. And it's a very long road after that. Post WWII Germany is not an inapt comparison.
musings
March 23rd, 2012 at 11:20 am
Another point I didn't understand – it seemed "overkill" but since it would take a lot of strength and access to accelerants, and all kinds of extra effort, just did not fit with the story of the lone nut running around shooting people in the night.
musings
March 23rd, 2012 at 11:21 am
Who thinks the "trial" of Bales will be a damage-control cover-up, necessary to keep us in the dark?
R.Parker
March 23rd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
And yet after all this, American sheeple still applaud returning soldiers at airports, not calling them "baby killers" like during Vietnam. Any time I see someone in a military uniform, I certainly don't applaud and thank them for their "service". Usually, I don't speak to them, or I give them a disgusted look. Because how much longer will it be before they start doing this to Americans? Waco was only the beginning.
F-bomb
March 23rd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Bales versus Manning. Who is moe dangerous and who will be set free? What a terrible nightmare of a joke!
JohnDoe
March 23rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Maybe we can hire the same team who investigated and produced the "official" 9/11 report about how the buildings collapsed! Completely missing building 7 by the way.
Good in my book!
(End sarcasm)
SuzanneK
March 23rd, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Robert Bales, the true face of "American exceptionalism".
Don_Bacon
March 23rd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Justin, the killer(s) didn't just go to two residences they went to two villages four kms apart.
My current theory: The night of the massacre Bales, with a history as a loser and maybe he offended someone, was set up with drugs and alcohol while two SF units did the deed in two villages 4 K's apart. So a straight-leg takes the fall for a snake-eater revenge act.
Bales' atty is on his way to the scene to take witness statements and look at evidence. Good luck. I wouldn't be surprised if all the empty cartridges were policed up that night and buried. Bales did it!
Bales says he doesn't remember anything and it may be true. He hasn't been placed at the crime scene. Supposedly the lawyer has received a lot of helpful mail from military types. What really happened? Let's hope that we find out. It looks like Haditha redux, with a coverup, to me.
San Fernando Curt
March 23rd, 2012 at 3:50 pm
One of many grand tragedies of the Vietnam War occurred when this country stamped as villains our own troops. They didn't come home only half-destroyed by what they'd seen and sometimes done – they were blamed for horrors of a war in which they were as much victims as anyone. Many of them were abandoned to lead lives of corrosive self-medication with drugs and alcohol, despair and early death. Great effort was made that no sympathy be afforded them; some ******* even did his own study that "proved" no Vietnam veteran was ever spat on when he returned, as if such a thing ever could be proven. Media relentlessly peddled the ugly line that "Viet vet" was synonymous with "crazed killer" – and to our everlasting shame, we mostly bought it.
I'm not eagerly anticipating this guy's execution, should it come. Surely, there are questions about this atrocity. And there are questions about the questions – for instance it's impossible to believe villagers would be threatened with imminent death days before the massacre and not flee.
Dumping this **** on the heads of the men and women who are there, facing the nightmare, is epitome of hypocritical cruelty. Those to blame never suffered this war's insanity, and that of Iraq. They are sipping expensive booze and laughing with their grandchildren, in lap of luxury as sumptuous as the hell they hopefully fall into will be hot.
just not forgetting
March 23rd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Eisenhower mass-murdered over a million German prisoners after the surrender.
JSD
March 23rd, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Thank you San Fernando. I love antiwar.com and Justins insight's especially but some times the condescending remarks about our soldiers are ridiculous. For example "american soldiers are inherently cowards". I have done two year long tours as an infantrymen in this idiotic war on terror, one in Iraq and one in Afghanistan. Some soldiers are cowards, some are the best people you will ever meet in your life.
I am not an apologist for war crimes. But thats the problem with war in general. I think Bale, the men who raped a little girl and killed her family in Iraq, the morons playing "kill squad" should all be hung. Cold blooded murder is murder but those men should never have been in those places to begin with. Almost everyone says WW2 was a "good" war, but how many civilians did we burn alive in bombing raids? How many rapes and murders will we never here about in that war? Is that okay because they were supporting the Nazi or "jap" war effort? Well some of these dead Afghans did support the Taliban. We are hated occupiers so they will always support whoever is against us.
I guess my point is war in general is murder. If you send troops off to fight then you need to do so knowing it is going to be ugly and bloody. War dosen't come in any other package. The longer and more fruitless the more you can expect to see crimes like this. War's simply shouldn't be fought unless there honestly is some direct link to our nations survival. That isn't the case in Iraq or Afghanistan. But calling our troops cowards and sociopaths is unfair. They have been asked to do the impossible under appalling conditions and a small number have snapped. Those men should be punished.
But is it not soldiers who support Ron Paul in general more then any other demographic? They more then anyone else see first hand the idiocy of our foreign policy. Senior officers like those fools Petraus and Mchrystal excluded of course. As for "only travel in convoys". Gee I wish my CO and PL got that memo.
Dormammu
March 23rd, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Every Time a "lone crazed gunman" is blamed in history, major policy changes and fabrication occur. I have heard that the US now wants to move all Afghanistan operations to the north, and in the south have hundreds of predator drones patrolling and shooting people. Perfect scenerio for that to happen now.
musings
March 23rd, 2012 at 8:19 pm
I'm not ready to exonerate Bales – because then it's like button, button, who's got the killer ?
But it is possible he owed money to someone or drew the short straw.
musings
March 23rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm
The men who served in Vietnam were most of them draftees. Some of them really dug war, and would have signed up for the current GWOT on the excuse of 9/11 if only because it would have been a thrill. But some were just forced to make the best of a bad draft number. Of course they weren't all ultimately vicious killers. And some were just "what happens in Vietnam stays in Vietnam" until the memories caught up with them. A neighbor from an okay family, two parents, a lovely sister, became a heroin addict there. I think he eventually may have died of AIDS, if he was still using a few years after coming back (1974 the war is over, 1982 the AIDS virus is identified, although it has already been in heroin addicts and gays for some years).
Each person is going to have to readjust for himself, but it won't be easy because our economy is in serious meltdown and the worst isn't over yet. Our social structure is also fraying, and the one that has grown up while these guys have been deployed and re-deployed will not be the same. I've seen one family I know pretty much lose their daughter during her deployments, as though she had joined some cult. Which in a way the military is.
musings
March 23rd, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Very astute. That lone gunman sure is a game changer, huh?
Strider55
March 23rd, 2012 at 8:36 pm
That assumes he ever gets to trial. All of a sudden the phrases "lone nut" and "lone gunman" being bandied about have sent me back to my childhood — November 1963, to be exact. Could Bales be just one member of a "kill team" (perhaps following orders from above) who is being hung out to dry a la Lee Harvey Oswald? Has a latter-day Jack Ruby been dispatched to Leavenworth with orders to silence him before he can talk? If so, "Warren Commission, version 2.0" will quickly follow.
shooksems
March 23rd, 2012 at 10:23 pm
So the question becomes;
What did they do to Bales in those first few days?
Since he has been delegated the scapegoat, did he partake in the gore?
Did he witness it and refuse to participate?
Was he there at all?
Why is he the chosen fall guy, and if so, why?
If Bales was not the only one, and Bales was present, then Bales knows exactly what happened. Anyone in his shoes would be defending themselves and spilling the entire truth. So, they had to of done something to this guy to shut him up, whether he was a participant or not. Speculation, I know.
liberranter
March 23rd, 2012 at 11:53 pm
It's not long in coming at all. In fact, at some point in the future when the dollar implodes, and the global empire along with it, all hell will break loose and we will ALL be targets for these creatures.
liberranter
March 23rd, 2012 at 11:56 pm
The question of "dangerous" depends on what side you're on. From the perspective of the criminal scumbags ruling over us who depend on secrecy to continue their reign of terror, Bradley Manning is DEFINITELY the more dangerous of the two. Robert Bales is, in their opinion, an ideal tool with which to continue their reign of terror.
Jerod
March 24th, 2012 at 5:55 am
Immediately after the massacre the Pentagon whisked Bales out of Afghanistan, started scrubbing the Internet of references to him, snatched his family to "protect them". There is a giant green cork being put into this story.
guest
March 24th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Karzai also has the Taliban and his own soldiers and the people of his country to worry about.
musings
March 24th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Well, I've thought about an angry and disenchanted wife as the Jack Ruby. I know I would kill him if I were she.
musings
March 24th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
I foolishly once thanked the Marine husband of my niece, for which I was given a quizzical grin, and a "for what?" He later turned out not to be a very honest person. But I wouldn't waste my breath with "baby-killer" because that combat boot definitely doesn't fit everyone. I think there are probably some people who are neither Robert Bales nor my ex-nephew-in-law, and who are caught up in trying to defend this country by the best light they have since 9/11. They did not have the leisure of reviewing the lies, and deciding to reject them or to second guess the wisdom of their government. We civilians have been in position to do so. So better not to lay on the scorn and reserve it instead for who should get it: the civilian leaders who have the only power to make war.
Oswaldwasalefty
March 25th, 2012 at 2:57 am
It's like My Lai and Lt. Calley all over again. It's always easy to make low ranking officers and enlisted soldiers into the fall guys. Never anybody in the Pentagon, and certainly not their boss in the White House for ultimately ordering another brutal invasion and occupation of another country.
Bales is just the latest fall guy of convenience for the military.
Bob
March 25th, 2012 at 3:48 am
Either baby killers or fire support for baby killers. Fact is, when America goes to war, we always kill quite a few babies.
After all, adults sometimes shoot back.
Put ultimate responsibility nicely divided by 100 on the senators who don't even bother voting for wars, if you feel like it. Meanwhile, us in the real world will keep blaming the monsters who are actually putting lead into kids.
Bob
March 25th, 2012 at 3:50 am
Good point. Many who ended up in Vietnam were victims, themselves. The current crop of baby killers in the US Military forces are mercenaries, at best. More than a few are sadists who would otherwise be in jail.
Bob
March 25th, 2012 at 3:52 am
Did you mutiny? You do realize that the orders your commanders gave you were illegal, right?
Justin was right. You guys were cowards. Shooting a few third-worlders doesn't make you brave.
richard vajs
March 25th, 2012 at 5:57 am
One way to get to the truth would be to water-board Bales until he got his memory back – well, if he were an Afghan or Palestinian or some other Arab or Muslim, that would be standard procedure wouldn't it? Our racism must offend God deeply.
JSD
March 25th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Bob people like you are a big part of why the antiwar movement dosent get taken as seriously as it should. Your view seems to be "I am an original, independent, brave thinker because I have the guts to call modern soldiers cowards and baby killers". Weak. Not only do you advocate collective guilt, a concept normally associated with communist and fascist for modern vets, but then you don't have the balls to call all vets the same names. Why Bob? Are they all heroes or victims besides us? Or are Afghan babies just worth more then German, Japanese, Vietamese, Korean..etc?
And your straw man about "killing 3rd worlders" was a good effort but I never said or implied anything like that. But the reason I do feel that combat troops are "less cowardly" then you behind your key board pointing your finger is because in case you haven't noticed it isn't just Afghan babies dying over there. Lots of soldiers are being maimed and killed to. The average soldier on patrol isn't thinking "I hope I get to kill more babies" but "I hope I don't get blown up again, I hope I don't get shot at again" and mostly "I want to go home". But yes Bob I respect that you are very courages behind your key board.
DanD
March 25th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Same song, different century. America did the same thing to the Philippines AFTER that community of "Gooks" had declared its independence from Spain. America bought the Philippines from Spain at the end of the Spanish-American war, and then America's military spent the next several years slaughtering whole villages if even one occupying soldier was killed while raping a local daughter or something similar. Eventually, we beat them erstwhile Catholics into our own colonial version of international share-croppers. The Muslims there of course, never got completely with the program.
And then of course, there are the massive war-crimes America committed against its own indigenous population of "Indians." It's all been composed from the same album of empire since long before Assyria.
DanD
DanD
March 25th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
At its most basic JSD, American forces in Afghanistan are ALL war-criminals, because they are performing in an illegal military adventure. What they are doing in that Muslim country is no different than what Japan's imperial soldiers did in China during the last "Great War."
THEY SHOULDN'T EVEN BE THERE, and furthermore, they know it! As their government has given them orders to commit the war-crime of imperial occupation, well, they take it to heart and start committing many other over-the-top war crimes. The Afghanis are just doing what America's founders did, and that is, kick out an occupying empire. Noble, isn't it?
DanD
Bob
March 25th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
You think you are braver than some troll on the internet because your keyboard shoots hellfire missiles instead of ideas? That's why we normal people hold you "soldiers" in contempt. You pretend that your malice and arrogance is bravery when it's pathetic and cowardly.
In WW2, Korea and Vietnam, the soldiers were regular people forced into service by the state. You, on the other hand, MADE THE DECISION to KILL PEOPLE FOR MONEY. That makes you a murderer and a mercenary. The reason America is such a nation of killers is because far too many are too scared to call a spade a spade.
We "keyboard warriors" now face arrest and torture for doing what we do. All you "soldiers" risk for your heroic slaughter of children is getting a medal.
Bob
March 25th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Also, pretty pathetic that you are still red-baiting in 2012. Is that the sort of "brave original thinking" that dumb "civilians" like me are supposed to emulate? You probably didn't notice while you were killing for Cheney's stock options, but America has changed.
My point about killing third worlders being cowardly is that it's far easier to just say "Yes sir!" and shoot some children than to refuse and resist illegal orders. Of course, you can't wrap your brain around that because you were brainwashed as part of your "training". Taking a stand for thugs and killers is not an act of bravery, it's an act of cowardice. Maybe after spending a few more years among normal people, you'll get it. Meanwhile, the "anti-war movement", such as it is, probably won't be seeking your moral approval, in the future, so don't worry about that.
JohnH
March 25th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
This story is just another variation on an age-old theme: "First fix the blame, and the problem goes away." Humor yourself by watching the 1980 film "Breaker Morant," or read the book, "Scapegoats of the Empire" by George Witton, on which much of the movie is based. The first casualty of war is the truth.
The infamy of this situation is that the rules are made up as people are dying.
JSD
March 25th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
I honestly have no clue "what these orders to commit war crimes" are. Nobody ever ordered me or anyone I know to kill, rape, beat or steal from a non combatant. As a matter of fact most soldiers find their ROE to be a joke in how restrictive the conditions under which we may use force are. Of course these restrictions are often not observed to the letter, but that is a case of not following orders. If you want a good example of what Im talking about I would suggest reading the operators by Michael Hastings which is as critical of the GWOT as any book out there. Anyway I get your point Bob, if the army is draftees then they are innocent victims. If they are volunteers then they are criminals. Gotcha. What about the volunteers in Vietnam? That must be a tricky one for you. And the guys who A-bombed Japan? Victims if they were drafted, criminals if volunteers?
Anyway believe me Bob, Im sure normal people hold you in contempt more then me. And as you might not have noticed, I am anitwar, and just as critical of our over blown, over intrusive government as you. I hate the empire. Yes I was a soldier and not ashamed of that, and that experience has shaped the views I have now. I am no more the governments friend then you. And there are many vets that have the same opinion I do. Just hopefully your never in charge or else off to jail with us i guess. Weak.
And torture and arrest? I don't know what else your up to online but I express my contempt with the government pretty openly to. So get off your cross man. Really to melodramatic. And when was I red bating? You believe in collective guilt for the whole military do you not?
ishtar
March 26th, 2012 at 6:27 am
This crime is an exact copy of Haditha crime in Iraq, when a punch of US criminals of wars went at dawn into 2-3 houses near a site of previous explosion where a soldier or two died, and killed 24 women and children while asleep in their beds. It is a policy to terrorize occupied people. Also, remember Falluja, 4 contractors were killed and the US army destroyed the whole town killing more than 600 residents.
t brown
March 26th, 2012 at 9:40 am
"This was the result of a "rogue" group of soldiers acting on their own" or "This was the result of a "rogue" group of soldiers acting on their own" or "It was a "night raid" gone horribly wrong"
Probably #2, since, as someone familiar with the tight regulations on US bases in Afghanistan noted, a soldier[s] cannot leave the base at night except under strict orders, and if a/some person[s] leave, there must be written documentation and permission to do so. Ergo, a group of drunks couldn't just walk off the base to seek revenge.