What a joy to see Ron Paul take down Newt “Chickenhawk” Gingrich in front of millions of Americans. Slogging through fifteen Republican presidential debates was totally worth it just to witness this defining moment. Dianne Sawyer, who sounded like she was on Quaaludes, raised her eyebrows quizzically as she asked him if he stood by his previous characterization of Newt as a “chickenhawk.” Her tone implied she thought this a little harsh. Paul took this opening and ran with it:
“I think people who don’t serve when they could and they get three or four or even five deferments – they have no right to send our kids off to war … I’m trying to stop the wars, but at least, you know, I went when they called me up.”
Ouch! Having drawn the first blood of this presidential gladiatorial contest, the good Doctor moved in for the kill:
“We have hundreds of thousands coming back from these wars that were undeclared, they were unnecessary, they haven’t been won, they’re unwinnable, and we have hundreds of thousands looking for care. And we have an epidemic of suicide coming back. And so many have – I mean, if you add up all the contractors and all the wars going on, Afghanistan and in Iraq, we’ve lost 8,500 Americans, and severe injuries, over 40,000. And these are undeclared wars.”
Gingrich’s response was worse than if he had said nothing at all:
“The fact is, I never asked for deferment. I was married with a child. It was never a question. My father was, in fact, serving in Vietnam in the Mekong Delta at the time he’s referring to. I think I have a pretty good idea of what it’s like as a family to worry about your father getting killed. And I personally resent the kind of comments and aspersions he routinely makes without accurate information and then just slurs people with.”
The trap, so carefully set, was sprung: “I need one quick follow-up, said Paul with a gleam in his eye:
“When I was drafted, I was married and had two kids – and I went.”
The applause was the loudest of the evening. Newt’s puffed up persona seemed to visibly shrink as he stood there on the stage, reduced to squealing like a stuck pig:
“ I wasn’t eligible for the draft! I wasn’t eligible for the draft!”
This encounter dramatizes more than just the smarminess of the Newtster: it gives voice to a populist anger directed at our warmongering elites, one little-discussed aspect of widespread resentment over the growing class divisions in American society.
You’ll recall that prominent members of Team Bush, from the President and Vice President on down, were draft dodgers who presided over two unnecessary wars and did their best to gin up a third. As ordinary Americans turned against this policy of perpetual war, the “chickenhawk” meme came into general circulation, with the exemplar being one of those overweight bespectacled neocons explaining – in a tone of high-pitched truculence – that we needed to go to war because, as overweight, bespectacled neocon Jonah Goldberg put it:
“Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business.”
This was the core of the argument made by the more honest neocons, such as Michael Ledeen, cited by Goldberg and deemed the “Ledeen Doctrine.” Who cares about “weapons of mass destruction” and Condi Rice’s visions of “mushroom clouds” – war is a positive good, and the military is to be venerated as a kind of priesthood.
This elevation of the military
came back to haunt them when prominent military figures publicly dissented from the War Party’s let’s-democratize-the-Middle-
Nothing offends a neocon more than being called a chickenhawk. The epithet really ruffles their feathers, and they’re quick with a comeback: “It’s absurd to say one needs to have military experience in order to argue for the merits – or demerits – of a particular war.” It’s true that anyone can make any argument they wish: however, it is also true that not all opinions are equal. Certain voices carry with them a special authority, and others less so. To cite one example: in the debate over whether we should go to war with Iran, the opinion of a pencil-necked geek like Bill Kristol, the little Lenin of the neocons,who has never been anywhere near a war, carries much less weight than that of Admiral William Fallon, the former chief of the US Central Command who resigned rather than go along with the Bush administration’s efforts to goad Iran into war.
In the context of a presidential debate, this question of whose argument carries how much weight is crucial, because we are electing a commander-in-chief, a role that has taken on increasing importance as Congress ceded its war-making power to the executive branch. Today, in defiance of the Constitution, the President can take us to war without a declaration from Congress – and without even bothering to consult the people’s elected representatives. We have Harry Truman to thank for that.
In view of this history, presidential aspirants must show they have some kind of standing when it comes to the question of war and peace. Before he can be trusted with the power to unilaterally take the nation to war, a candidate must prove he has some understanding of what a grave responsibility is to be placed on their shoulders. This is what makes most of the Republican pack look and sound so brazenly unpresidential: their blithe willingness – nay, eagerness – to go to war at the drop of a hat.
Santorum echoes the Iranians’ empty boast about closing the Strait of Hormuz and blocking access to oil even as he advocates an all-out war that would surely achieve the same result. He also indirectly criticizes the Bush administration for signing an agreement with the Iraqis setting a date for US withdrawal, citing this as a sign “America is soft so they can be pushed around.”
Newt, for his part, would not be content with limited US military strikes against sensitive targets in Iran. It won’t work, he says: instead, such strikes should be undertaken “only as a first step towards replacing the regime.” The second step, one assumes, is a full-scale US invasion of Iran – a step sure to be applauded by his Secretary of State-in-waiting, John Bolton.
Bolton has long championed the Mujahideen-e-Khalq (Peoples’ Mujahideen, or MEK), an Islamo-Marxist cult widely hated in Iran. Under a Gingrich administration we would witness the spectacle of the US Army installing in power a group currently on the US State Department’s list of terrorist organizations. Romney, too, has his MEK connection: this is the only terrorist group I know of that is allowed to maintain an unofficial embassy in Washington through various front groups, and which enjoys such widespread support on Capitol Hill. Could it have something to do with the large amounts of cash the MEK front groups in Washington are throwing around? Where there’s cash, there’s Newt, which may have something to do with his endorsement of the MEK’s accelerated campaign to get the group removed from the terrorist list.
Perry parlayed his role as the chief buffoon among the candidates by opining that he would send US troops back into Iraq:
“The idea that we allow the Iranians to come back into Iraq and take over that country, with all of the treasure, both in blood and money, that we have spent in Iraq, because this president wants to kowtow to his liberal, leftist base and move out those men and women. He could have renegotiated that time frame.
“I think it is a huge error for us. We’re going to see Iran, in my opinion, move back in at literally the speed of light. They’re going to move back in, and all of the work that we’ve done, every young man that has lost his life in that country will have been for nothing because we’ve got a president that does not understand what’s going on in that region.”
Speaking of those who do not understand what’s going on in that region, Perry is perhaps unaware the timetable for withdrawal was negotiated by the Bush administration, not Obama and his “liberal, leftist base.” Not to be outdone by Perry, Gingrich chimed in with the suggestion that “if you’re worried about the Iranians in Iraq, develop a strategy to replace the Iranian dictatorship and Iraq will be fine.” Problems created by the Iraq war are to be solved by launching yet another war. The neocon “solution” is always the same.
Asked about going back to Iraq, Romney averred that the proposition would face a “high hurdle,” but wouldn’t rule it out:
“You’d have to have a president that explained those interests to the American people, that also indicated how we’re going in. We’d go in with – with exceptional force. We would indicate what – how success would be defined, how we would define, also, when we’re completed, how we’d get our troops out, and what would be left behind.”
Back to Iraq – can Romney be serious? He could talk until he was blue in the face and he’d still be a long way from convincing the overwhelming majority of Americans who say the Iraq war wasn’t worth it in the first place. Can someone so clearly out of touch with the sentiments of the American people really be elected to the highest office in the land? Romney is touted by his conservative supporters as the one most likely to beat Obama, and yet one has to question the electabiilty of a candidate so deluded as to think the American people could be talked into re-occupying Iraq.
Ron Paul is such a star at these debates because his foreign policy views are like kryptonite to the would-be Republican Supermen who would “save” the nation from Obama’s “Kenyan anti-colonial” mentality, as Speaker Gingrich so eloquently put it. I’ll continue to watch just for the sheer entertainment value, if nothing else.
NOTES IN THE MARGIN
I’ll also note that John Nichols, writing in the Nation, predicted exactly what did happen at the ABC/Yahoo/WMUR debate. “The real entertainment,” he wrote on January 6, “is likely to come when the two white-haired guys start going after about who did what in the war—or, in Gingrich’s case, who did what to avoid the war.”
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- A Note to My Readers – June 16th, 2013
- Datagate and the Death of American Liberalism – June 13th, 2013
- Smear Brigade Goes After Snowden – June 11th, 2013
- Edward Snowden, American Hero – June 9th, 2013
- Police-State ‘Progressivism’ – June 6th, 2013





Johnny in Wi.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Another great essay Justin: These neocon, chicken hawks all do seem top be fat slobs and cowards. Cheney, John Podhoretz, Jonah Goldberg, Gingrich, Santorum, little Billy Kristol, Bill Bennet, etc. They never met a war, they didn't love as long as someone else had to fight and die in it. They are so valuble to the world, with their vast intellects, that they can't be bothered to die for the policies they espouse. Much better some schmuck from a small town, who feels patriotic, thanks to the ravings of some evangelical pastor who is afraid to go himself.
skulz fontaine
January 8th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Very well said Mr. Raimondo. I can only add, not "chickenhawks." Oh no. Chickensh*ts seems to define the likes of the Snitster, Newt, Santimonious Santorum, and oh yeah, 'all hat no balls' Perry.
RickR30
January 8th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
One thing is for sure I think, even in America 2012. Any of these idiots who advocates returning to Iraq is handing the election to Obama. So to all these bozos, please keep talking stupid nonsense. It'll make you unelectable.
Romney's phrase is very curious- “You’d have to have a president that explained those interests to the American people…" What interests are these, and more importantly, whose? Since they aren't particularly self-evident to Americans one would have to conclude that they are not America's interests. And if they are not America's interests, why would any candidate for US president advocate them?
It's time to launch a chickenhawk campaign against the neocons and their braindead servants like Diablorum, Moth Romney, and Newt.
jgmoebus
January 8th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
The ChickenHawks never left.
Who — with the exception of Petraeus at CIA — at the overt and covert senior foreign policy-making level within the Obama Regime (which is carrying forward with virtually zero interruption all Cheney Regime policies, procedures, and practices) is not a ChickenHawk? (And please don't try to pass off Panetta as a "someone with wartime experience.")
The only difference is that these people are aligned with the Democrats and not the Republicans. Same Sh**House, different stall.
MoT
January 9th, 2012 at 1:46 am
Gingrich, like Foghorn Leghorn, must keep his feathers numbered for just such an emergency…. i.e. getting blasted off the stage.
mickperry
January 9th, 2012 at 3:26 am
"And if they are not America's interests, why would any candidate for US president advocate them?"
Probably because we live in a global world now, and it's a whole different racket. The real money is to be made elsewhere, and today 'patriotism' is as redundant a word as 'law' for most of Washington.
Now that Citizens United has finalized the process of marketing elections, the entire exercise is simply the elites deciding who will be the most efficient manager of economic decline. My guess is that the Central Committee of the Ruling Class (Goldman Sachs) has already made up it's mind, and that Chief Chicken hawk Obama will get another four years.
jgmoebus
January 9th, 2012 at 3:37 am
Exactly. The Deal is "Four Years On, Four Years Off."
You have the WH for 4, then We have it for 4. That way, EveryBody gets Their Fair Share.
WHEN IS IT TO BE STOPPED?
When and How is The Fourth Reich to be Confronted, Combated, Defeated, and Destroyed?
i personally take a small semblance of respite, hope, and inspiration from The Maquis and the rest of the French Resistance to Hitler in Occupied France during WWII.
Indignez-Vous!!!
Wolfgang9
January 9th, 2012 at 4:24 am
“Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country
and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business.”
I think its defintely less than 10 years when you look back at the last more than 100 years!!!
I think EVERY US president was involved in at lkeast ONE war,
now its becoming more!
Wolfgang9
January 9th, 2012 at 4:34 am
And, Napoleon was probably thinking so too, and Napoleon was much, much smarter than
Santorum, Gingrich, Kristol, Cheney and all the Bush's together,
and we know what happened to him. In german=y we have that saying
"Arroganz kommt vor dem Fall", and that's why (IMHO) one day is probably payback time,
W
Smithboy
January 9th, 2012 at 5:14 am
Anyone who reads Anti-War and knows the neocons consider the US military their own personal Tinker Toy, has to laugh when Rick Perry announces in his current ad…."I want to go to Washington and stand up against the Washington insiders."
Really! We all know that AIPAC is the ultimate "Washington Insider" and they have already conscripted Mr. Perry to the point he would send young men needlessly to their death(Re-invade Iraqq) just to get AIPAC's blessiing. . So much for standing up to the Washington insider rhetoric!
Johnny in Wi.
January 9th, 2012 at 5:22 am
Perry is no chicken hawk. He was in the Air Force, as a pilot. He is however, a complete dolt. Now he wants to re-invade Iraq. That would seem to be a popular program to run on. The pull out of Iraq was negotiated by Bush, not Obama. No sane person wants to get back into Iraq. Sheldon Adelson, the Israeli gambling billionaire has dumped 5 million into Newt Gingrich's super pact. Adelson is one the main funders for the most extreme elements of Israeli politics. No we know why Gingrich and Santorum call the Palistinians an invented people. The term was invented in the crazed mind of people like Adelson
@tadzio308
January 9th, 2012 at 5:41 am
Successful rhetorical thrusts often fudge a tad on details. I'll likely vote for Dr. Paul and definitely will not, for Newt. Being old enough to have been in the first draft lottery based on birthdays {#364 – yeah!] I can remember some of the details of the system.
Newt has a point. The rules for doctors were different. They were given deferments and medical training was subsidized by the government with the understanding of military service regardless of exemptions.
Good political jabs demand succinctness and the good Doctor was within acceptability. Wish he would do it more often. I would like to hear him proclaim that he is the only Peace Candidate in either party. No policy details.
American voters opted for peace in 1916, 1940, 1952, 1964, 1968 and 2008. Only Ike delivered. Americans have never voted for war. Ron Paul should present the issue in as stark terms as he employed to shoot down Newt. Keep the message simple and do not get bogged down in details as he too frequently does. If plain spoken, it is the winning platform.
Rob
January 9th, 2012 at 6:24 am
As the saying goes, they're always ready to "fight to the last drop of other people's blood".
mickperry
January 9th, 2012 at 6:52 am
http://www.dcbureau.org/201112136815/national-sec…
Watson
January 9th, 2012 at 7:16 am
Back in 2008, Mitt Romney said he had honorably served his country by spending two years as a Mormon missionary in Paris. Not Bangledesh or Nigeria or Haiti. Nope, he managed to get a cushy deal missionizing in PARIS! I guess that experience counts right up there for the job of Commander in Chief and sending other people's kids to war.
At the time, when asked why none of his five strapping sons were in the military, he said they were serving their country by helping their dad campaign to win the presidency.
Generalissimo X
January 9th, 2012 at 9:59 am
yeah these guys are all like the corporate tools i work with..they like to talk tough but they've never been in so much as a fist fight in 5th grade. as a guy who was a semi pro fighter and a bouncer for years, i can see pathetic clowns like this from a mile away. its not surprising that these weak sissy necks advocate the phoney tough guy attitude. reminds me of john wayne, playing war in a movie with his fake gun and make up while my grandfather's got shot by nazis. it's all projection..i can't physically beat up a teenage girl but i can order genocide. newt's response has him finished, see you later little piggie.
and perry is about as dumb as they come. iran will go back into iraq? umm they were there? someone wanna tell this dolt iran and iraq fought a war and the shi'ite rising in iraq was our during not iran's? oh and fyi it's a fact of record mek has a base in iraq in which we are training them.
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Strider55
January 9th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Along with "chickenhawk," don't forget the excellent epithet "laptop bombardier," which can also be applied to those "pilots" who operate drones from their cushy stateside cubicles, then drive home to their families. Then there's that famous neocon brigade known as the "82nd Chairborne Division."
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Johnny in Wi.
January 9th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
A new CBS poll shows Ron Paul tied head to head with Obama. Willard Romney is also tied. All the rest are pretty far behind. It is up on Drudge right now. There is hope.
chmch
January 9th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
I'm a lilly-livered liberal with a legion of authentic self-hating liberal friends and Ron Paul gets more of their support than Obama.
MvGuy
January 9th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Try spelling NATO or Neocon with a swastika as the first letter……..
Sam
January 10th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Dr. Paul must continue to push hard with his antiwar message.
aussiemic
January 11th, 2012 at 1:27 am
This money the MEK has to throw around, does it come directly from the American government or does it go through our good friends the Isrealis?
Rosco1776
January 11th, 2012 at 3:04 am
Perry was also invited to the Bilderberg meetings so he has been groomed and I'm sure put in as a distraction.
In June 2007 Perry attended the Bilderberg confab in Istanbul, Turkey.
Ron Paul 2012 !!
LGLKen
January 11th, 2012 at 4:59 am
Of all these clowns, Newt is the most dangerous. Romney will be just white version of Obama, which is bad enough, but Newt is a true sociopath with a glib tongue and a true neo-con's passion for war. Every time I see him I think of Martin Sheen's character in the movie "The Dead Zone." It was so pleasant to see Ron Paul take him out of the race.
-Ken
Laser Guided Loogie
Doktor Jeep
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Remember, it's not about who gets to be the Republican nominee and who could beat Obama, the entire election year could be called "Anybody but Ron Paul 2012". It's going to be Obama or "some neocon"
or
October surprise.
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