The decision by the Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to claim a seat in the United Nations is a last ditch effort by one side of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict to resolve the region’s eternal crisis peacefully. The statement largely drafted by Tony Blair on behalf of the “Quartet,” which essentially gave the Israelis everything they wanted – including acceptance of settlement expansion as “facts on the ground” – was “the final blow, the final straw,” according to top Palestinian Authority official Nabil Shaath.
As the New York Times puts it,
“The Palestinian decision to apply for full United Nations membership at the Security Council, announced Friday by President Mahmoud Abbas, was the most viable of the only options possible: surrender, return to violence or appeal to the international community.”
The Israelis would like
nothing better than a Palestinian surrender, and so, it appears, would
the “international community,” supposedly represented by the United
Nations. The decision to appeal to the Security Council, instead of
taking the matter to the pro-Palestinian anti-Israel General Assembly,
underscores the seriousness of the matter. After this, Abbas can throw
his hands up and declare: “Don’t say I didn’t warn you” the next time
rockets rain down on Israeli heads – and then prepare to retire. Because
the Western stance is good news for the violent extremists on both
sides – the radicals of Hamas and the crazed Israeli settlers, who hate their own
government almost as much as they hate the Arabs. What little political
authority the old Fatah organization – and the “peace process” –
retains will be gone soon after this Palestinian charge of the light
brigade at the UN: Abbas has decided that if they’re going to go down,
they might as well go down honorably.
Both sides are captives of their own extremists: the Israelis have to deal with the settlers, whose political violence has more than once had its tragic impact on the course of events. If the government gives up the settlements, what will they do with hundreds of thousands of radicalized settlers, whose activities they have avidly funded and encouraged? The Palestinian Authority, likewise, is facing a similar threat from Hamas, which has already seized not only Gaza but also the loyalty of the young and the embittered.
Hardened and driven to desperation by the circumstances of their helotry, the Palestinians who must live under Israeli rule in the occupied territories have no alternative but to turn to Hamas and the radicals. Besieged in their own land, they look around for some means to defend themselves – and find it in the camp of violent extremism.
The West, having succored the nascent Israeli state from the beginning, is now intent on going along with their progeny’s expansionist designs: why else are “facts on the ground” considered sacrosanct – unless the Quartet sees its role as overseeing the creation of a “Greater Israel”? If the IDF should invade Jordan and annex it to Israel tomorrow, would these, too, be considered “facts on the ground,” to be legitimized by the Quartet’s imprimatur?
Seeking some defense against the daily aggression of their Israeli overlords, the Palestinians seek to create a state of their own – an agency with a monopoly on the use of force in Palestine, one that isn’t of foreign provenance. Or, to say it in another way: they are preparing for war. Because warfare, against enemies foreign and domestic, is the essential function of any and all states. In theory, we are talking about defensive war: however, in practice, all too often these are wars of aggression. Their purpose, aside from diverting attention away from persistent internal problems – a bad economy, the corruption of the ruling elite, etc. – is to increase the power and glory of the almighty State, which we are all supposed to worship as a beneficent semi-deity that will take care of us when all else fails.
In short, the creation of a Palestinian state – a centralized, unified bureaucratic apparatus, that rules over the occupied territories – is a bad idea whose time has come. It is not going to lead to peace: quite the opposite. That’s because neither side wants peace, and this is quite obvious from their demands: the Israelis demand the “right” to build settlements on other people’s property, and the Palestinians continue to insist on the “right of return” – a “right” I’m waiting to be exercised in the United States. Is the UN going to demand that we give most of the country back to the Indians? (Then they can turn Wall Street into a giant casino – oh, wait ….)
Since neither sides wants peace, there will be none. Given these intractable circumstances, we must withdraw from the role of “broker,” which the American conceit of exercising “world leadership” at every opportunity has made mandatory. We have no interest in the creation of yet another radical Arab state which is bound to turn against us, no matter what we do, or how we vote in the UN. We must also withdraw as Israel’s shield and chief financier: that, indeed, is the very first step we can and must take in order to extricate ourselves from the most dangerous trouble spot on earth.
At the point where the world’s three great Abrahamic religions meet, there the seismic plates of civilization brush up against each other – to inevitably violent effect. The creation of a new state in the very epicenter of this seismic disturbance is just asking for an earthquake of epic proportions.
With some few exceptions, the rest of the world is amenable to transitional solutions of one sort or another – some reform, short of full-fledged libertarianism achieved overnight, which will ameliorate the crisis and help find a peaceful way out. Not in Palestine. There the only solution is radical and immediate decentralization of power, in both the occupied territories and Israel proper – that is, the separation of mutually hostile populations into mini-“states,” with each community exercising its right of secession, street-by-street. This would, at least, reduce the scale of the violence, and rob the haters of their power to impose an extremist “solution” on the rest.
Short of that, there is nothing to be done to advance the “peace process” even by a single inch: aspiring to the role of “world leadership” doesn’t mean trying to do the impossible. Not all problems have solutions, and the recognition that we have done what we can – while making the situation far worse – is key to forging a new policy that puts our own interests first.
In vetoing the Palestinian resolution before the Security Council, the US will be doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. The desire to placate the Israel lobby – especially after the Democrats’ defeat in Brooklyn – is not a motivation that any honorable government will acknowledge, but that is the core reason for the Obama administration’s stance, and a shameful one it is. It is particularly egregious in light of what we’ve done in Libya, and this is yet another reason why they hate us: since we’ve gone into the business of creating new Arab states, why not give the Palestinians what they see as their just due? This inconsistency is already backfiring in our faces, as our Egyptian allies stand by while mobs storm the Israeli embassy, and Turkey – our NATO partner – breaks relations with Tel Aviv.
The US government’s self-appointed role in the region as mediator and “peace” broker is a textbook example of how interventionism leads to the exact opposite of its ostensible objectives. We tout a “peace process” that has only produced more war and stick our noses into snake pits where they don’t belong. Then we wonder why we get bitten.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Up Against the FBI – May 23rd, 2013
- Antiwar.com vs. the FBI – May 21st, 2013
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013





John_Muhammad
September 18th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Then what would YOU have the Palestinians do? Continue to chafe under Israeli predations of their land and look away when Israeli settlers terrorize their neighborhoods and places of worship? It is clear that Israel has no desire whatsoever to restrain its settlers and, indeed, is enabling their criminal behavior.
Yes, the creation of a Palestinian state may very well lead to war- but if war comes, it will be instigated by the Israelis as 'payback' for humiliating them on the world stage (as if they aren't doing enough of that themselves). Yes, there will obviously be a rapid military buildup in the new Palestine- it will have to arm itself for self-preservation. The question for the US will have to be: under whose auspices will this take place? Will the US supply the same arms and equipment it is supplying the Israelis- along with proper training of that equipment- or are we going to cut off aid, step back, and watch what happens when Russia, or China, or Iran sets up shop and gets not only the military contracts but the civil infrastructure contracts as well?
We have a perfect opportunity for real diplomacy and real nation-building just waiting for us to extend a hand of friendship- if we don't take it we have bigger fools in Washington than previously thought.
BINSAFI
September 18th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
This is the Last-Chance @ a Peaceful Resolution!
The Next-Time, it WILL be A Violent Revolution!!
There is Only ONE Real Solution………………………….
Peace, Love & Respect.
Johnny in Wi.
September 18th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
I think Justin may have a point. Let us cut off all aid to everyone in the neighborhood and let them settle their own diffferences or blow each other up. Wee have carried Israel on our backs for 63 years. We have no real leveraage anymore in the region. Lets finally give up and go home. They have been squabbling in that neighborhood for 5000 years. Let then go squabbe for 5000 more.
Bill
September 18th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
If Israel cannot learn how to get along with its neighbors, it is not a viable state.
If Israel cannot exist in the neighborhood without foreign help, it is not a viable state. Outside entities that provide that assistance are in a trap of their own making. Time to cut the aid and let Israel sink or swim on their own merits.
june8642
September 18th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
The United States Government has recognized the "right of return" of all Jews into a state established by the United Nations thereby setting the precedent for those Palestinians forced from their land and homes in 1948, 1956 and 1967 to have a "right of return" to their land. After all, it was the state government of Israel that forced the indigenous population from this land of Palestine which was not awarded to Israel by the UN in 1947. It is time that the United States realize that a biased role of "ruler" of the world while submitting to Israel's demands for more Arab territory is destroying not only the Palestinians but the United States as a country of law and justice. Israel's continued acquisition of Arab territory using U.S. supplied weapons has proved to other countries that it pays to corrupt the Congress of the United States — and proves that beseeching unbiased justice from the US Government is futile. President Obama is correct in stating that the 1967 line should be the border for Israel. Furthermore, Israel should not be a member of the UN as it does not recognize established borders for Israel.
Zia Ahad
September 19th, 2011 at 12:21 am
The West was so taken in in the post World War II days by the holocaust in Nazi Germany that it sought to atone for its own culpability by acceding to zionism's fictional claim over Palestinian homes. No self-respecting nation can allow this to happen. The Palestinian's struggle for his right to his own hearth and home is far more credible than anything the zionists can conjure up.
Now that the door to a negotiated solution to the impasse has been effectively slammed on them, Palestinians have no choice but to reach out to the same world body that helped in their dispossession in the first place. Will the UN heed this desperate call for justice or will it succumb to zionist pressure once again and prove its irrelevance (a la Bush)? Peace in the region – if not the whole world – rests on its outcome.
Matt S
September 19th, 2011 at 12:51 am
The dispossession of Native Americans has cursed the US and lead it into its militaristic posture. A recognition of the dispossession is long overdue and the first step towards a different society. I say this only because I have experience of the Maori renaissance in NZ, which has still got a way to go, but has been of great benefit to all, I believe.
Everything happens in this part of the world that happens elsewhere, it seems, though on a smaller scale.
sherban
September 19th, 2011 at 1:19 am
Raimondo,how you have a right to return to Italy and Palestinians refugees are "extremists"because they want to return to their houses?
tadzio
September 19th, 2011 at 3:07 am
The idea that the settlers are "the extremists" is nonsense. Every Israeli government, right, left and center has been expasnsionist. They all talk peace. They all lie. The only thing that separates the "extremist" settlers from the rest of Israelis is that they tell the truth, that they are racist thieves. The non extremist Israelis are too, but they deny it.
BGD
September 19th, 2011 at 4:30 am
Sadly Mr Raimondo has seriously gone off the boil of late, perhaps half way to a breakdown after the Fed revelations that seems to concern him. The reason the Pals should not have their own state? Seems to come down to this vague attempt at divination:
"It is not going to lead to peace: quite the opposite. That’s because neither side wants peace.."
Peace doesn't exist at present. Palestine is not monolithic. The current situation is a breeding ground for the extremism on both sides. Many Islamic oriented brush fires take their logic from the Palestinian situation. How else is the desired moderation to be achieved except in giving some degree of autonomy? Thereafter those in charge will be responsible for policing their own population if they are desirous of peace and prosperity.
When someone who has written books on the values and principles of the traditional right thereafter argues against statehood for a closely related people in (a part) of their historic territory then I have to believe that their analytical skills or adherence to conservative concepts have been either lost or passed over for some other reason.
john
September 19th, 2011 at 4:36 am
While the United States and Israel think they control the world history is passing them by as the Palestinian themselves declare what a Palestinan states is, Turkey breaks off relations with Israel, and the people of Egypt overthrew Mubarek, and other quislings of the U.S./Israeli axis are dealing with restless populations who just don't want to be ruled by that axis. What can't last forever, doesn't.
omop
September 19th, 2011 at 5:51 am
In essence then what Mr. Raimondo is saying that a people that has lived for centuries in an area called Palestine have no right to be accepted as equal to emigrants from Moldavai, Russia to a homeland called Israel.
If one keeps treating a certain group of people as "inferior" one has no right in judging their reactions. The UN created both a Palestenian state and a jewish state and at the present the jewish state wants "the right to decide" whether a Palestenian state shoud come into existance.
Goes to show!.
Terrance&Philip
September 19th, 2011 at 6:08 am
The creation of a "free" and "independent" Kosovo as well now as South Sudan adds to the precedent.
The United States would like to have it both ways, but it cannot. When the US vetoes the Palestinian bid for independence, our "leaders" will be, effectively, spitting on every preceding leader in our nation's history who said and believed in freedom and on the grave of every soldier, sailor and marine who died believing he was fighting for freedom. Vetoing the Palestinian bid for peace will publicly declare that America is a sham.
MvGuy
September 19th, 2011 at 6:09 am
It seems to me that there is a certain insincerity in opposing the two state solution WITHOUT putting forth a better alternative or at least SOME suggestion on how to resolve what is clearly a terrible situation. Not only is the current state of affairs costing the U.S. [us] bigtime money [IOOs of BILLIONS each year] for the military presence and posture to protect them from the Moslem countries who oppose the theft and desecration of their co-religionist's homes and mutual holy places… No…No…No… the current state of affairs will only end in disaster, it's a FUSE that is burning.. Israel must have BORDERS to be recognized. It also needs a non-apartheid set of protections for it's citizens and those it rules.. What about a one state solution..?? I'm not going to get dragged into this brawl intellectually….. but the current scam America is running on US is Part of the problem.. They EXTORT money from US under threat of prison and SEND it to them so they can afford to SPYs on US and BRIBE our politicians who have sworn to represent US and OUR constitution… Can you hear me Senator LIEberman…!!!
LarryS
September 19th, 2011 at 6:18 am
What happened to the map of 'Greater Israel' you used to post as described in Genesis 15:18?
Terrance&Philip
September 19th, 2011 at 6:59 am
Vetoing Palestine's bid for independence is going to endanger American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. I can only imagine how the Arab "street" is going to explode when they see that the United States walks the walk when it comes to supporting freedom and a people's right to self-determination but can't walk the walk. Petraeus was right: Israeli policy is endangering our troops and, also, the United States.
It's time to say "Sod off, Israel!" and with her her American-j****sh supporters if that's what's needed to keep the United States safe, independent and secure. One can't serve two masters, and not only should the Palestinians declare their freedom from Israel, so should we.
Generalissimo X
September 19th, 2011 at 7:22 am
perfectly succinct and to the point. unless is israel's fate is to be our 51st state forever, it's time for them to grow up and pay their own way in life. no more help from uncle sam. he's been way too generous for a long time.
liveload
September 19th, 2011 at 7:43 am
Two states is going to be unsustainable. The only lasting solution is a unified secular republic. The religious attractions in the area should be just that, attractions. It should be a bustling tourist trap and not the site of constant tragedy.
Alas, it will continue until mankind has finally evolved beyond the primitive "religious" ideas and practices that are so prevalent today. Maybe someday we'll be evolved enough for anarchy, but right now we can't even agree on which form of delusion we subscribe to, much less recognize it for what it is.
Wootie Berster
September 19th, 2011 at 7:43 am
There is no "we" and there is no "us". Why do "individualists" continually jump at this collectivist hooey in response to perceived problems. Is not the "market" enough to handle the endless crises? The only suitable response is that of Pontius Pilate: "I wash my hands of it." All problems lead back to The City. Break up the collectivist oligarchy of the bankers and most of the problems go away of themselves.
Generalissimo X
September 19th, 2011 at 7:59 am
i'm all for cutting both these clowns off, going switzerland on the whole situation and let them fight it out like the two kids in gym class who couldn't get along. hell they are going to anyway…frankly i'm sick of both sides and the entire middle east just like everybody else. i just assume we turn our backs on all of them completely and i'm sure we would if our entire economy wasn't bound to oil. i also don't think there will ever be peace with israel in the mix. if a bunch of zionists pigs came in and stole my land because god promised it to them(!?! seriously,wtf on that?!) , well i'd never forgive them. who would?
as i see that whole region is going up in flames sometime in the next few years anyway and there's nothing anyone can do about it. you got a tinderbox and a bunch of religious maniacs on both sides more than happy to throw matches at it…..eventually it's going to light up. moreover there are a lot of corporate warmongers here that would LOVE that type of conflict and frankly i'm sure they are promoting it by both overt and covert means.
in the words of chief wiggum getting sucked into the hotdog machine rollers by his necktie "this is gonna get a worse before it gets better…"
Inquisidor
September 19th, 2011 at 9:26 am
Article 11 of UN resolution 194 of 14 December 1948 provides for the right of return of Palestine Refugees. United Nations General Assembly Resolution 273 admitted Israel to the United Nations on 11 May 11 1949 after Israel consented to implement UN resolutions including resolutions 194 and 181.
Article 11 states:
"Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible. Instructs the Conciliation Commission to facilitate the repatriation, resettlement and economic and social rehabilitation of the refugees and the payment of compensation, and to maintain close relations with the Director of the United Nations Relief for Palestine Refugees and, through him, with the appropriate organs and agencies of the United Nations".
charles caruso
September 19th, 2011 at 9:47 am
Why dont we just let Ahmadinejad settle it?
His ideas as expressed at Columbia were rather reasonable, although most people bought the spin on them, without bothering to read his speech. (Its on Google)
stevieb
September 19th, 2011 at 9:59 am
I have to say, Mr. Raimondo, that it is completely unfair – and unjustified to suggest that Hamas are morally comparable to 'crazed settlers'.
Hamas is the democratically elected representative of the Palestinians. Crazed settlers are just crazed settlers.
Yes Hamas is a religious party and yes they are a militant party. But they have shown they are willing to compromise for peace in various negogiation attempts and statements they have released. And hopefully we all know the enormous social responsibilites Hamas has shouldered in the face of one of the worst ever assaults on the Palestinians(Gaza,'08).
Crazed settlers have never shown any desire for compromise. Nor have they made any statements suggesting they'd be willing to live with Palestinians as neighbors in a two state deal. Not even close.
stevieb
September 19th, 2011 at 10:08 am
After 60- odd years of having their land occupied; their land stolen; their homes destroyed for Jewish homes; 60 years of ongoing murder and violence – Hamas doesn't need to apologize for being a miltant group,
It's about time everybody – including so-called 'alternative' media – start vocally recognizing these simple facts. Because the demonization of Hamas is really the only call the Zionist extremists have for telling the rest of us why they can't have peace…
stevieb
September 19th, 2011 at 10:08 am
That's cute Oh right. The FBI is watching.
stevieb
September 19th, 2011 at 10:18 am
No. Just end military support to Israel(Which is what, 95% of the U.S budget for the region?.)
The U.S is morally, and probably legally, obligated to help the Palestinians after 60 years of funding and vetoing anyand all forms of crimes against humanity against an innocent people under military occupation.
stevieb
September 19th, 2011 at 10:19 am
Good point..
james
September 19th, 2011 at 10:41 am
World peace is our hands and we will drop and sacrifice your childrens future.
Johnny in Wi.
September 19th, 2011 at 10:51 am
Israel has always needed vast outside subsidies to survive. That is why they are fighting like crazy to stop the USA cutting their aid. Israel wouldn't survive 5 years without our money and military backing.
Smithboy
September 19th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Last week Israeli forces blew up wells used for drinking water in Gaza because the Israeli thugs said there could be no new construction without their approval. This kind of Nazi like control should not be tolerated and certainly not supported by the country in which I call home.
I say Support the Palestinians and their drive to become a country.
I'm beginning to suspect Mr. Raimondo's loyalities.
RickR30
September 19th, 2011 at 11:46 am
And Hamas and Raimondo are in agreement the issue of the Palestinian state.
Avi
September 19th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
with each community exercising its right of secession, street-by-street.
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Actually, Raimondo, the vast majority of towns and cities in the Holy Land are segregated. They are either Jewish or non-Jewish.
There is no "street-by-street" except in places like Lydd and Jaffa.
Even in Jerusalem and Haifa, two cities with "mixed" populations, there are the Palestinians in East Jerusalem and Jews in West Jerusalem, much as there are Jews in the upper parts of Haifa, and Arabs in the lower parts of Haifa (Haifa is located on a mountain).
The following is a friendly piece of advice. I suggest you spend some time reading Mondoweiss.net and if you get the chance, travel to the so-called Holy Land.
That is my suggestion because this article shows that you are missing a lot of important details about the conflict and about the reality on the ground, especially when you make the "street-by-street" comments and then throw up your hands and imply that "This conflict is unsolvable".
If one had to summarize your article, Raimondo, it would read like this:
"Everything's f*** up in Palestine/Israel. So screw them both. Let them duke it out. I give up".
That's not what I would expect from an intelligent person.
andy
September 19th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
We should end ALL aid.
andy
September 19th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
That's just it. Israel is NOT a viable state. It's creation was a mistake.
andy
September 19th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
I disagree. What would you say about Mexico?
andy
September 19th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
We should get out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
andy
September 19th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Personally I just wish America had never got mixed up in this godawful mess. We get nothing out of it but sorrow and grief.
Jan Burton
September 19th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Never before have the interests of America and the interests of Israel (as defined by the crackpot right) been so at odds.
A veto means more hatred towards America and the collapse of whatever credibility the US has left in the Muslim world.
It means greater risk for US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and a higher likelihood of terrorism against the US and its allies.
And it means the further bankrupting of America as it ends up making enemies and fighting wars where it doesn't have to.
And all for an expansionist, fanatical, lunatic Israeli right-wing that is determined to colonize the West Bank while pretending to engage in "peace talks."
As things get worse for the American people, they will no doubt start to wonder why they remain locked in this parasitic relationship.
MvGuy
September 19th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
"and a higher likelihood of terrorism against the US and its allies"
Yeah, I suppose you are right Jan, I never realized what a bonanza a negative vote/veto would be for the MIC…….!!! More drones, more surveillance more hostility…. More of our tax money going to their stockholders… Perfect!!! Bingo, now I get it..!! Thanks……
Nelson_2008
September 19th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Sorry but no "American" living in the U.S., such as yourself, has any standing whatsoever to call any Palestinian "an extremist".
Duglarri
September 19th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
Actually it's the other way around. If Israel were to disappear tomorrow, who would hold off the hordes of Canadians waiting at the border to overrun the country?
It's only through the generosity and good will of that great country, Israel, that the US can survive. That's why American Presidents and Congresses basically operate the US at the direction of Tel Aviv. Isn't it?
Curious
September 19th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
I think the US should abstain.
What exactly will be the borders of the Palestinian State Abbas is seeking? Abbas has another option which is to seek a one state solution.
Rob Payne
September 19th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
Mexicans did the same thing to their Native Americans as the gringos did, and at least as brutal.
Rob Payne
September 19th, 2011 at 11:51 pm
This post is an over-simplification of the situation. You left out what a one sided contest this is. Israel has the most powerful army in the region backed by the U.S. while the Palestinians don't have a pot to piss in. I just think it ought to be pointed out that the Palestinians said they would accept Jews in their state if they ever acheive one, on the other hand we know the Israeli don't want the Palestinians who most certainly aren't welcome. C'mon, this is so one-sided it is absurd to talk as if these were two equal powers which is sort of what I got from this post. I don't agree with what you said about the Palestinians not wanting peace, they even said they would accept just 22 percent of the land that Israel stole and would be happy with that. Israel on the other hand has torpedoed any aspect of peace time and again. I enjoy your columns and agree with much of what you say but no this.
Jan Burton
September 20th, 2011 at 5:23 am
The one-state solution is what Israel fears more than anything.
The day the Palestinians agree to become Israeli citizens is the day Israel loses everything.
Terrance&Philip
September 20th, 2011 at 6:09 am
The Israeli effendis assume that as in any other satrapy, America must come through with its annual baksheesh or suffer the consequences.
Peace 4 R Time
September 21st, 2011 at 8:38 pm
Justin,
Please tell us the FBI is blackmailing you! Or, did they commandeer your machine? You haven't slept? I don't buy that the people of Palestine want UN Membership and recognition because they want to go to war?! They may want to apply pressure or even war crime tribunals, but why would they want war with a nuclear power? They are already being slaughtered with just the tanks and guns, etc. And, although the right of return is a tricky issue, it is not impossible. At least the American Indians were somehow compensated (albeit unfairly) and allowed to come and visit. Had there been compensation for the Palestinians who lost their land, things might not have gotten this crazy. But Israel was in no position to pay compensation (as a new nation), and Europe was devastated – including Germany (the country with possibly a real obligation to pay them) which was broke. The only country that could have done it was the US, but it failed to do so. The Palestinians were not part of the attack on Israel; they were victims caught in the middle. in 1970 Israel issued the Administration Arrangements Law allowing Jews who had lost property in East Jerusalem and the West Bank during the 1948 war to reclaim it – but this is only one of many discriminatory laws in Israel – as it only applied to Jews. I believe that you reported previously that Wikileaks uncovered the fact that former Palestinian representatives had been flexible about the right of return.? And to claim that Palestinians are bound to turn against us is also unjustified.. Palestinians have proven to be honest (even Hamas 'claims responsibility') and loyal; if the US actually supported them as fairly as they support Israel, I suspect that the Palestinians would be cheering us on… If Israel actually supported this move for membership in the UN even though there is obviously no solution to their dilemma (and therefore the Israeli lobby in the US was not a factor), am I to presume that you would not be in favor of it? According to statistics that I have read, 30% of US citizens support a free and independent Palestine, while another 20% don't really care. Are you actually in the other 50th percentile? This doesn't sound like you..
Smithboy
September 22nd, 2011 at 4:26 am
The full court press is on to deny statehood.
Carpenter
September 22nd, 2011 at 6:17 am
A few comments:
1: "Facts on the ground" is of course just a Zionist distortion for "invasion". Funny how they didn't accept the "facts on the ground" after WWII when Jews had been driven from European countries. Instead they stole the homes of tens of thousands of ordinary Germans and gave them, with all their possessions, to Jews coming in from the U.S. and Britain. Called "Displaced Persons". Why not give the Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Gaza to Palestinians? They have a lot more right to those buildings in their land than the "DPs" had to the homes of innocent ordinary Germans.
2. Hamas did not "seize" Gaza. They won the democratic Palestinian elections. The U.S.-funded anti-democratic Fatah party then seized the West Bank, with Israeli and American support. Once again showing that whenever democracy in the Middle East doesn't go the Zionist way, it is ignored.
3. Considering #2, it is therefore the supporters of Fatah, and of their Israeli and American backers, who are anti-democratic extremists.
4. It will be GREAT to see the Zionist-dominated U.S. government veto the Palestinian call for statehood, a call the vast majority of the people of the world support. The Zionist control of the U.S. will (once again) be plain for all to see. The Zionist side will lose even more support.
5. This is much thanks to the Arab Spring, by the way. When the Zionist-paid tyrants in Tunisia and Egypt were overthrown it showed everyone that resistance is possible. It is time for all Americans and Europeans who want a foreign policy that benefits OUR interests, not ISRAEL'S, to fight the Zionists, like the Tunisians and Egyptians did. You want an end to "terrorism"? Then fight the Zionist domination of the Middle East, with its single-minded goal of strangling support for the Palestinians.
Peace 4 R Time
October 3rd, 2011 at 7:23 pm
I must have gotten it wrong: 42% support recognition, 32% don't know, and 26% don't support recognition of Palestine: http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/2…