Following months of disorder throughout the Middle East, riots spread throughout Britain and “flash mobs” of looting criminals terrorize parts of the US – has the world gone crazy?
While commentators are busy conjuring some political or economic “cause” behind the British riots – one which, not surprisingly, validates some preexisting ideological agenda, whether it be “left” or “right” – what seems clear is that nothing about the motives of the rioters is at all clear. The ostensible reason for the initial outbreak of violence and looting appears to have been the police shooting of Mark Duggan, a minor criminal: police claimed Duggan shot first, but a subsequent investigation has produced no evidence of that. The widespread looting of stores, and the random violence, is apparently unrelated to this incident, and Duggan’s family has appealed to the mobs to disperse.
They haven’t. It is now four days since the first rioters raised their ugly heads, and there has been no let up in the violence: big plasma television sets and Nike sneakers, rather than “social justice,” seem to be the rioters’ main concern. One group of girl looters, confronted by a newsman with the question “Are you proud of what you’re doing?”, asserted “We’re just getting our taxes back!”
Before the Huffington Post and Salon.com conclude that this is simply a “Tea Party” revolt of the enraged petty-bourgeoisie, however, we should point out that these hooded-and-sneakered Poujadists are mostly young hoodlums whose favorite targets are small local shops, like that furniture store in Croydon – founded in 1867 – burned to the ground. And while left-wing commentators are already blaming the Tory-LibDem government’s austerity budget for the anger boiling up from the lumpen-proletarian depths of British society, even the anarchists – who, you ‘ll recall, were subjected to a police alert shortly before the riots erupted – have denounced the looting mobs, and, far from valorizing the thugs, have called for citizens’ militias to fight them.
This isn’t a political protest – it’s techno-nihilism. They’re doing it because they can. One key aspect of the driving force behind both the British riots and the “Arab Spring” protests (which were and are political, no doubt) is the role played by social networking devices. Contacting their fellow looters and criminals via a covert messaging system on their BlackBerrys – of course, all these “disadvantaged” youth have BlackBerrys – these techno-thugs are able to outwit and outmaneuver the police, who are badly outnumbered in any event.
Empowered by technology, the worst elements in society have been unleashed – and they are winning. Indeed, after four days of their reign of terror, their victory is complete: no matter what happens on day five, they have exposed the complete inability – and unwillingness – of the authorities to defend the nation. This is what emboldens them, and spreads what I call the Madness – which, I predict, will soon pop up all over Europe, and parts of the United States, if it hasn’t already. Matt Drudge has recently been publicizing similar technology-driven incidents of random thuggery in the US, and, although these stories all appear to have a racial angle, the potential for far broader disruptions, on the British model, lies smoldering just beneath the surface.
The Madness is upon us, and it will be a long time before future historians diagnose its causes. For now, we can only describe what we see, and make some preliminary assessment of what is happening to significant portions of what used to be the civilized world.
Such an assessment must begin by looking at the thugs’ level of organization, which seems quite sophisticated. Their messaging networks send out orders to appear at this or that location – but who is issuing the orders? The makers of the British BlackBerry have vowed to cooperate with law enforcement in tracking down the culprits, and their Tweet-trails also provide leads, but it’s hard to believe the British authorities have either the capacity or – more importantly – the will to bring the thugs to justice.
Instead of responding immediately and lethally, the British elites have agonized and dithered, underscoring their utter helplessness – and egging the techno-thugs on. Sensing weakness, these predators won’t stop until the Brits call out their armed forces, as they will have to eventually – or risk losing control completely.
What is happening in Britain is a forewarning of things to come not only in Europe, but here in the States. The phenomenon will leap the Atlantic because the economic and cultural factors that bred these thugs are nearly universal: the only societies immune to the madness are either inherently resistant to the nihilist virus – such as Japan, with its group solidarity ethos – or else ruled over by totalitarian regimes, e.g. North Korea, where any such behavior is nipped in the bud long before it infects en masse.
The economic aspect of this is all too clear: the rapidly disintegrating international economic order was bound to end in social chaos. Yet it isn’t all about massive unemployment and welfare states having to cut back on benefits. The intersection of large scale economic dislocation with recent cultural and technological developments is the key to understanding the Madness.
While technology – those BlackBerrys – has advanced, the cultural evolution of humankind – especially in the developed West – has not kept up. Indeed, the split between science and the humanities has widened, in modern times. Science has made it possible for us to live more human lives than ever before in history: on the other hand, culturally, we seem to have devolved to earlier forms. Atavism is the leitmotif of Western culture – in the arts, in mass entertainment, in declining standards of literacy and the disintegration of familial structures. In short, we seem to be reverting to an earlier epoch – around the time Rome was just about to fall. As we approach the 1,601st anniversary of the sacking of Rome by the Visigoths – it happened on August 24, 410 A.D. – Western elites would do well to imagine what the sacking of Britain by its own internal Visigoths means for the future of their rule.
The great gap between the sciences and the humanities has finally caught up with humankind. Clever at designing tools, but not good for much else, these over-evolved apes who fell out of the trees and overran much of the earth haven’t progressed mentally much beyond the level of their earliest ancestors. Indeed, they seem to be afflicted with a severe case of devolution, and headed for another long Dark Age, albeit one imposed by an army of Visigoths armed with BlackBerrys.
Each and every ideological faction is even now preparing its agenda-driven “analysis” of the causes – and cure – of the Madness. The left will point to the Tory government’s austerity measures, such as they are: the right will point to the welfare state mentality, the racialists will call it a race war, the immigration restrictionists will naturally target immigrants – and yet none of these explanations cover all the bases, and most are completely off-base.
The racists and the anti-immigrationists, i.e. the English Defense League/Robert Spencer/Anders Breivik/Pam Geller crowd, no doubt will have some explanation for the Turkish and Kurdish shopkeepers who drove the techno-thugs from their neighborhood, but we didn’t see the EDL in there fighting to preserve their supposedly beloved England, now did we? Indeed, the techno-thugs are a multi-racial lot, with both white and non-white “yobs” joining forces and going wild in the streets.
As for the standard right-wing explanation – a welfare state mentality has bred an underclass that is now morally disadvantaged – this doesn’t answer the question: why now? There have been welfare states throughout the history of Western Europe and the Americas, and yet we haven’t seen anything like these mindless non-ideological random eruptions of pure criminality before.
The standard explanation of the British left – it’s the Tories, stupid – won’t do either: some watered-down version of the austerity measures introduced by the present government would have been carried out by the Labor party, if it had stayed in power. Whatever egalitarian proclivities the looters may have appear to have been invented after the fact: as one young girl carrying clothing out of a looted store told an interviewer, “We’re showing the police we can do what we want.” As to what they want – beyond free plasma TVs and Nikes – none of them has the capacity to answer. It is like asking the Visigoths why they sacked Rome.
The answer is: because they can. They don’t need a reason to act: they are creatures of pure action, like leopards. These predators of the human jungle, these barbarians with BlackBerrys, are the new men, the rising species of the new millennium.
So you thought human evolution was an ever-ascending process, a progression from animality to godhood? But what if it isn’t? What if our Panglossian notion of “progress” is utterly wrong, and, instead of going from height to height, we’ve already reached the height, and are now … descending? What if human evolution has gone into reverse? What Alexandre Kojève pondered in his Note to the second edition of his Introduction to the Reading of Hegel – that the “end of history” meant mankind’s return to animality, complete with the “end of Discourse” and the reduction of music to “the language of bees” – seems to me more persuasive than ever.
In any case, the Madness has profound political and foreign policy implications, and concerning the latter it certainly looks like the British will be temporarily diverted from trying to overthrow Gadhafi and pacify Libya if they have to call the Army in to keep order. In a more general sense, however, the mindless anger and potential for violence that hovers over the West at this moment is not by any means a signal that we’re in for an era of peace.
While it’s true that the economic unraveling will force governments worldwide to choose between the welfare state and the warfare state, the Madness will give the latter more weight. All that anger needs to be diverted to a safe target, preferably one in a faraway foreign country: that’s going to be the first thought of Western elites as they struggle to maintain their position and minimize disorder on the home front.
All those unemployed techno-thugs can’t be allowed to roam the streets, looking for trouble: better to ship them off to some trouble spot – hey, why not Libya, or, better yet, Iran? – where their thuggishness can serve a “good” cause. It’s interesting that President Obama, in his speech addressing the downgrading of US bonds, invoked the example of the “unity” of the US military as a model to solve our economic woes. As Rahm Emanuel once put it:
“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.”
The BlackBerry messaging system that enabled the techno-thugs to coordinate their thuggery undetected will be the first to go, and with it the archaic right to privacy, which was already well on the way out. Pushed far enough, the ruling elites of the West will react with repression, and, if necessary, ruthless violence that will make Bashar al-Assad and Hosni Mubarak look like pikers.
Yet in the face of general economic and social disintegration, and guerrilla warfare carried out by hooligans out of A Clockwork Orange, a crackdown can only have a limited effect. What the authorities are facing is not an external enemy, but a cancer eating away at the idea of what it means to be human – an epidemic of nihilism. When lemmings leap into the abyss, there is no stopping them. If large segments of the human race are intent on committing collective suicide, then I can see no way – and no reason – to stop them. The only problem is that they seem intent on dragging down the rest of us with them.
NOTES IN THE MARGIN
In stark contrast to the unrelieved pessimism of the above, I must note the latest Gallup GOP presidential poll, which shows the only antiwar libertarian candidate, Ron Paul, in third place nationally, with 14%, behind Mitt Romney (24%) and Rick Perry (17%). Perry has not yet entered the race. So while it looks like some segments of humanity are going backward, and actually devolving, a growing number are resisting this trend.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013





@mrraven
August 9th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
Ummm "Justin" while I agree with Ron Paul's stance on ending war, police state and the Federal Reserve he too is looking hundreds of years backward into America's past, a time BTW when gay rights were literally unthinkable. My theory is the future is so bleak with peak everything and bankster malfeasance induced economic collapse that people are afraid of the future and are thus retreating into the past. And not just rioters, or paleo-cons, my left has seen an outbreak of horrendous pro ends justify the means Trosyskyism. :( x 100
MvGuy
August 9th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
"an epidemic of nihilism." More like a rejection of their governments demonizing Muslims and the poor. and their war, wars and MORE WAR and it's carrot….nation building, not at home…. but over there… Of bringing prosperity to them… in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen…. Pakistan and NOW Lybia….. anywhere but at home where these people live…… The never ending squander of everything to ply Jupiter and his medal festooned pals… for a fight not even their own…. unless on the military dole… Sorry, we gotta cut…….YOU…!!!
Johnny in Wi.
August 9th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
I like the Second Amendment here. At least I have shotgun to protect my family from the yobs if they try anything. In England they refuse to let the people have arms. Dictatorships always come for the guns first. I see the proliferation of guns in this country as a good thing, both as a warning for thugs and politicians. In Wisconsin we have had several such wildings in the last few weeks. They almost always seem to be racial in nature and mostly black on white. All the trillions spent on welfare programs haven't stopped social disintigration. In fact it is a major cause of it. The me, me me. society doesn't work. The British haven't cut anything much yet. Ron Ha Cohen talks about all the Israeli's pushing for more from the government as well, There are too many loafers and too many warmongers for things to get any better.
George
August 9th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
This country does not need any more immigrants. We need to stop handing out U.S. citizenship as if it grew on trees (regardless of the causes of these particular riots). We are entering a situation of ever scarcer resources. Best to husband what we have and prepare for the worst.
Guest
August 9th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
Black youth mobs attack whites at Wisconsin State Fair a few days ago…
http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/126825018.ht…
Mike Cormany
August 9th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
The repressive ruling elites are whats causing this anger and rioting. We can sll see the future and what's coming. The poor aren't responsible for the financial mess the world is in, the failing economy's, the joblessness, but they'll be the ones who suffer the most as usual. They see our governments killing people around the world "because they can" and spending billons on that but 'cut SS and medicare before you cut any more of the military.'
Why would anybody be saying we must have order? This is a class war and it's beyond time the class getting their brains beat in started getting pissed off.
Anon
August 9th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
Indeed, the techno-thugs are a multi-racial lot, with both white and non-white “yobs” joining forces and going wild in the streets.
I am surprised. From the pictures I've seen I thought the rioters were overwhelmingly white.
RickR30
August 9th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
One can hardly blame folks for becoming nihilists. The Green God is dead! Globalism turned out to be a gigantic scam. Diversity isn't strength but weakness. Democracy is a god that failed, so is capitalism. The holy sacrosanct "markets" are casinos for the mega rich. Bank scheissters and war lords in suits rule the world, no one elected them and they are never held accountable. The world wide media amoeba represents no one and just parrots the same tired old bull feather lines that say nothing and mean even less. What's a population to do? Mind your own business and keep working? Not easy to do if there is no job and no prospect of a job. It is interesting that all this is starting in peaceful European countries (Greece, Spain, England). We are used to this in American only when the (F)Lakers lose, or win, doesn't matter- their thuggish fans need no reason to riot.
The true losers in all this: the establishment at large. Not that it would ever became aware of its pathetic situation. It'll just take advantage of the situation to strengthen itself and abuse the population. Regardless how much power they take for themselves, the ruling elites are utter and complete failures. G8, G20, Bilderberg, CFR, Ivy league grads and scholars, Skull and Bones, UN, all of them, utter and complete incompetents, failures of a scale the world has never seen. They can be thankful that that the thugs of today won't deliver them to the same fate as the Visigoths would have.
Tony DiGerolamo
August 9th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
I agree with much of your point, but I think it's more of a case of perceived survival. Many of these people will never get an opportunity like this again. It's hopelessness that drives the rioting. If you're doomed to not have a job and squeak by, a plasma TV is both a status symbol and something that can be sold for real money. When you're living day to day, you don't think down the road to the consequences. The feeling in these neighborhoods is, "Well, eventually I'll go to jail for SOMETHING, why not get something for at least a short period of time?"
mickperry
August 10th, 2011 at 12:27 am
All around the globe people are rising up to demand the removal of corrupt elites and for greater democracy while at home people are rising up to demand free computer games, plasma TV's and new trainers. Far too much emphasis on Blackberries here though Justin, which obscures the fact that the police claim that the rioters come from outside the areas they attack turns out to be untrue. These are local people as this link's report from the Roman Rd makes clear. http://trialbyjeory.wordpress.com/2011/08/08/watc…
This area of London, just north of Mile End is the site where Watt Tyler and his peasant army gathered during their revolt in 1381. These were people who had arrived from all over Essex, and they linked up with another large army from Kent. There were no Blackberries around in 1381 and it's still a mystery how they ever managed to communicate and co-ordinate their march on London.
Difficult as it is to be objective about all this destruction when its happening on your own doorstep, my take is that it is piracy, plunder and pillage that we are witnessing. This also comes with the added element of bombing and burning people out of their homes, as witnessed in Tottenham on Saturday night. Sounds pretty much like what we've done to the people of Iraq, and the kids have had sound mentoring from our masters.
Call it a lesson in trickle down economics or whatever else, but it is clear that they now possess identical imperialist mentalities.
Raashid
August 10th, 2011 at 12:30 am
As a Londoner who's seen the looters on the rampage in my own neighbourhood I've been thinking about the causes of this myself. Justin's right about how both the Right and Left as ever try to pin the blame on each other, but it does seem to be largely opportunism. The initial spate of looting may well have been spontaneous, but having seen how easy it was, they've probably put the word out that the world's their oyster. It will be interesting to see if this turns out to be a one-off period of madness once the police are given the green light to come down heavy-handed.
Anna
August 10th, 2011 at 12:51 am
Justin, I am an American living in Europe and also very critical of mass Muslim/African immigration into Europe. But this does not make me "anti-immigration" (in principle) and it certainly does not make me a part of the wacky neo-cons and their paid assassins crowd with whom you automatically lump my stance. The fact of the matter is that a great part of "these people" don't give a rat's rear about European/Western heritage , history, culture, traditions, and, by the way, standards of hygiene, and do care about the benefits, beauty, hand-outs and guilty-conscience socialism they are allowed to exploit.
The Turkish and Kurd shopkeepers you cite are of a different generation, different mentality than what I am referring to here. "Everyone" defends the hard-working, mild-mannered immigrants where I live, a country in Central Europe. I wish American commentators on Europe's social problems would be more careful about these important differences.
Anna
Rupert Headlam
August 10th, 2011 at 4:30 am
I regret that the English Defence Leagues HAS held a gathering (? meeting? vigilantist expedition?) in Eltham in SE London, one of the areas more recently affected (and a longstanding stamping ground of the British National Party, and not too far from where Stephen Lawrence, a famous victim of white racism, was murdered…). Non tali auxilio nec defensoribus istis, if I may quote Vergil to Justin…..I regret that Manchester, last month home to two examples of (knife) self-defence of shop and home, suffered as badly as anywhere else. Second amendment needed (se John Lott etc)
ando arike
August 10th, 2011 at 4:39 am
Exactly so, RickR30 — we've got nihilism all around! A global imperial system built on nihilism (or more vulgarly, the wanton worldwide pursuit of short-sighted greed, damn the consequences!) The barbarians in the streets of London are merely imitating the looting and pillaging their social superiors have honed into a science, merely replicating, on a smaller scale, the holocausts in Libya, Iraq, etc etc… But there is a difference! Many of these lower-class thugs (as Raimondo puts it) will spend some time in jail for their deeds — NONE of the ruling class thugs will…
greedrulesinDC
August 10th, 2011 at 5:15 am
There have been 333 deaths (mostly of blacks) by police since 1998. Think of it: 333 dying in police custody with no convictions of those cops. Something had to give. Add this to the mix:
"Added on top of what we know about the London police’s relationship with Murdoch’s papers, where they were receiving millions of pounds in bribes, I think it’s a safe conclusion to reach that the Met police are rotten from top to bottom." http://www.ianwelsh.net/how-many-of-you-would-the…
When there is lawlessness at the top, society will break down.
How much longer will our politicians have before we face our fears, respond with anger, and do something about the looting of our Treasury, the looting of our jobs, and the denial of our civil liberties? Something's gotta give.
Chris
August 10th, 2011 at 5:18 am
Excellent post but regarding there having been welfare states throughout the history of Western Europe and the Americas, the problem is that the welfare state has reduced the need for fathers and a couple of generations of uninvolved fathers has led to barbarians in the streets.
Bob D
August 10th, 2011 at 5:31 am
While I also see Ron Paul's Baptist approach to gay rights as misguided at first glance, don't forget he believes even more strongly in the constitution and state's rights. As a governor he might be a force aganist gay rights. But as president he would leave the issue alone.
Brian
August 10th, 2011 at 5:40 am
Reallly? The ones I've seen on BBC and Channel Four were Black or South Asian (at least, when it was clear to me–murky CCTV capture photos of people at night could be any old hue). Different shots in dfifferent media, perhaps. Whatever is perceived to have kicked this thing off, the people pulling the strings of the looters and rioters are of uncertain and disparate origins and possibly even different aims. Clearly, some are out to get what they can and are deliberately encouraging rioting and violence as a cover for their crimes (rather similarly to the plot of the original Die Hard movie: fake terrorism in the name of greed). Some participating in the looting really seem to believe that what they're doing is somehow legitimate protest, naively enough.
Brian
August 10th, 2011 at 5:48 am
You've hit the nail on the head with how easy it was. London and the country at large was caught with its pants down: two major people at the London Met had stepped down, half the country on holiday, it being August, and both the Mayor and the PM were away on holiday–and either weren't informed just how bad things were on the weekend–seems to have led to a generalized lack of response appropriate to the degree of the stiuation initially and as it developed, and I mean right from the moment the widow and her family were left standing outside the police station for as much as four to five hours waiting to be heard or answered.
@Ike_Hall
August 10th, 2011 at 5:53 am
"When there is lawlessness at the top, society will break down."
This. The ongoing collapse of Western civilization has resulted from the corruption and the decadence of the supposed leaders of Western civilization. When just about everyone at the top of government and business is conspiring to fleece the public, things like this happen as a gut-level response. No one believes the police are not corrupt. No one believes the government is not corrupt. No one believes the mainstream media is not corrupt. No one believes the banks are not corrupt. The list goes on and on. Only a commitment to honest dealing by the elites of the West (HA!) can begin to stem this tide of increasing lawlessness and violence.
Brian
August 10th, 2011 at 5:53 am
"The fact of the matter is that a great part of "these people" don't give a rat's rear about European/Western heritage , history, culture, traditions, and, by the way, standards of hygiene, and do care about the benefits, beauty, hand-outs and guilty-conscience socialism they are allowed to exploit. … I wish American commentators on Europe's social problems would be more careful about these important differences."
Pot, kettle, black. You have no idea who "these people" doing the rioting were, yet you assume they are immigrants or the children of immigrants. Oh, and they smell. That pretty much makes you racist.
MvGuy
August 10th, 2011 at 6:31 am
"Iraqi Holocaust : 2.3 Million Iraqi Excess Deaths
By Gideon Polya
21 March, 2009
Mwcnews.net
March 20, 2009 marks the 6th anniversary of the illegal, utterly unjustified, war criminal invasion of Iraq by US, UK and Australian forces. Post-invasion violent and non-violent excess deaths total 2.3 million and refugees total 6 million in a continuing Iraqi Holocaust and Genocide."
"At least seven people were killed today and three others wounded when US drones fired two missiles at a home and vehicle in Pakistan’s North Waziristan Agency. Pakistani officials termed all of the slain “militants."
Maybe the rioters in London really are just barbarians… They don't seem to have a sophisticated death machine…….. They don't know enough to loot other countries… , they are only shop looters It is the old "Smash and Grab"…
Dr.Khan
August 10th, 2011 at 6:39 am
Anna you are an American and living in Europe.Tell me what the hell are you doing in Europe.Are you not some sort of Immigrant here.Besides that did you get the whole story right that they are not smelly immigrants but Native Brits this time.Europe is hit hard second time in less tham a month time,first Norweigian Christian fundamentalist terrorist and now surprisingly hooded whites.Tell me Al Qaeda is behind all this.
Geo1671
August 10th, 2011 at 6:41 am
Just wait when UK/USA pulls out of Afg/Libya/Iraq and them unwanted helpers are allowed to re- settle into Detriot/London or god forbid into Sapola Canada.
Whole mess is caused by greedy politicians doing the dirty business for the rich. Regarding Cris's comment " problem"–when an influx of world's displaced un-desirables settle into a community and sponge off welfare system and little jobs–expect hardships for the Indigenous population. You are witnessing–Multi culture mixing at it's worse.
liveload
August 10th, 2011 at 6:42 am
Too bad they gave them out to your ancestors, isn't it? Why imagine all the ignorance that we could have been spared.
RickR30
August 10th, 2011 at 6:47 am
You make some excellent points!
MvGuy
August 10th, 2011 at 6:49 am
Thanks for saying what I wanted to express, but didn't… Hats off to you
Dr.Khan
August 10th, 2011 at 6:49 am
Hall when you say European civilization,exactly which period you refer to of the european civilization,if I am not wrong the west especially Europe was at eachothers throat till mid 20th century and believe ME it takes more than 50 years to call some civilization……….CIVILIZATION.
Me20
August 10th, 2011 at 7:04 am
It was Nietzsche who said man doesn't really progress. A person of the Renaissance was far superior he claimed to a person of his day. As a whole, there is progress in ideas, science and linear culture but the human itself he doubted.
Me20
August 10th, 2011 at 7:06 am
There were more barbarians in the streets a hundred plus years ago. Please. Study your history.
Me20
August 10th, 2011 at 7:08 am
Yeah, like white on black hasn't been pretty much a norm historically.
Generalissimo X
August 10th, 2011 at 7:12 am
a great article justin. what strikes me is just how incredibly stupid these agitators are, justified or not. you actually think a tv or iphone is going to solve your problems? this is your big opportunity? how pathetic and insipid you must be if your whole life revolves around trying to obtain material goods. we show the police we do what we want? really? i'm sure the new iphone will solve everything. they sack shops and not gov't buildings…and this will be allowed to continue so they can justify a massive martial law style crackdown. what do the elite care if they burn shops? the cops are standing there letting them. i guarantee if they were storming 10 downing street the cops would be shooting people dead. it's clear that the lower classes are more dumbed down than ever and as justin says, the "humanities" have not kept up with the science. so much for intelligence, introspection and getting informed.
i live in nyc and this will be happening here soon enough. there is an undercurrent of anger, fueled really by sheer vapid stupidity..basically they are blaming middle class people for what the elite is doing to them. multi culti is a globalist nightmare and should be resisted at every turn. watching a guy hand over his clothes to a group of thugs was the most pathetic thing i've seen in a long time. i'd sooner fight to the death than suffer such an indignity. only an englishman would be such a p*ssy. arm yourselves and get ready people, this ain't gonna be pretty when it comes to our door. and it is coming.
Generalissimo X
August 10th, 2011 at 7:19 am
survival? i guess getting educated, forming a group, or hell, rioting and sacking the police or gov't offices isn't an option? if you've got food, water and shelter you're surviving. these people are functionally retarded imbeciles who have no idea what they are rebelling against or what is really going on. two months from now they'll still be sitting in front of their plama tvs and everyone of them will still possess no intelligence, no hope and no future. class warfare to be sure, but misdirected is an understatement. the guy crying at his torched flower shop is not their enemy…you want my support, storm the palace and do in the royals who are the ones that put you down in the first place.
Generalissimo X
August 10th, 2011 at 7:22 am
take advantage indeed. wait until they unleash martial law as the response. moreover, why do you think the elite have pushed for a total control grid in the usa for the last decade or so? they know this is coming here, and they know our thugs will be armed.
Wootie Berster
August 10th, 2011 at 7:50 am
As usual.. a handful of thieves steal TRILLIONS from the economies of the west.. but we're worried about some bad kids from the bad side of the tracks kicking a few windows in (relatively speaking) to steal the extremely overpriced crap foisted on them by the media. Who's behind it? Hmm. Cui bono. A fine distraction isn't it. Three card Monte. The distracted sucker never wins. I am rather more concerned about the bankers stealing TRILLIONS than a few bad punks. I refuse to be distracted.
Nelson_2008
August 10th, 2011 at 8:08 am
The British government has no standing to complain about violence. History shows that violence is always the tool of first resort of the UK government.
And BTW why should we not recognize the rioters as the legitimate government of the UK?
Avi of Mondoweiss
August 10th, 2011 at 8:44 am
Anna's "standards of hygiene" have apparently given the rednecks of bumblefu*k Idaho a pass.
It's amazing how racists do that psychological projection so well. They take the criticism they have been hearing their entire lives — about being smelly — and then they project it on to Others.
It's so predictable.
By the way, why do some rednecks, hicks and hillbillies in the US smell like spoiled milk? That's nasty.
I'm not a bigot, you see, I'm just a Lilly white Christian from one of those flyover states who likes to talk about heritage, and tradition as I stack yet another broken washing machine on top of the older already-rusted one that's out on the front porch.
Avi of Mondoweiss
August 10th, 2011 at 9:17 am
It's so predictable how economic recessions and depressions move people to find easy scapegoats.
In the early part of the last century — that's the early 1900s — the scapegoats were the Irish and German immigrants.
Here is a poster about Irish immigrants to the US:
http://chnm.gmu.edu/exploring/images/harpers.jpg
Here is another one from the late 1800s, about East European immigrants:
http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/walter.sargent/publi…
But, for racists, there is always a scapegoat, preferably an easy scapegoat, someone whom they can blame without bothering to look within and reflect on their own failings or the failings of their own society.
And here is a gem, "No Irish Need Apply"
http://svo3b2m.edu.glogster.com/jackie-brown-iris…
Although racists and bigots are a dime a dozen, they are usually cowards who hide behind their keyboards, for society has rejected them.
JohnDowser
August 10th, 2011 at 9:19 am
Interesting article.
One might question if the “Arab Spring” protests really were and are purely political, like Justin seems to be so certain of. Also in the Arab and Persian versions many "barbarians" and some armed militant ideologues were piggybacked onto this movement for their own reasons, at times causing terrible spectacles and police blow-back.
And like in Egypt one could question the total effect of the protests when the military was never taken into the equation by the o so "savvy" crowd: leaving not much room for actual change to be implemented at all. So did we have a spectacle only?
Like Antoine de Rivarol wrote about the French Revolution: "The people did not desire revolution, they only wanted the spectacle".
Another stab at the causes of organized violence in modern societies, apart from nihilism and technology is the raising anxiety and stress levels of life in the fast lanes. In a society the group dynamics might be complex and "tectonic", and like volcanoes and earthquakes nearly unpredictable. It might be all a question of chicken and egg but the increasingly frantic, restless, distracted and above all disconnected world we have been creating over the decades might have created more than just a financial debt to pay back to the gods of karma and balance.
Guest
August 10th, 2011 at 9:31 am
Well shiver me timbers. That Irish guy looks just like proud Notre Dame's mascot.
The great failure of American society has been its neglect in protecting its land and borders.
Jared
August 10th, 2011 at 9:34 am
By the way, why do some rednecks, hicks and hillbillies in the US smell like spoiled milk? That's nasty.
I'm not a bigot, you see, I'm just a Lilly white Christian from one of those flyover states who likes to talk about heritage, and tradition as I stack yet another broken washing machine on top of the older already-rusted one that's out on the front porch.
No, you're not a bigot. Not at all.
Given your sneering hatred of the founding stock of this country and of Christians generally, it makes perfect sense they should want to keep the likes of you out.
B.R. Merrick
August 10th, 2011 at 9:41 am
It's not enough to say they riot "because they can." These are young people who grew up in broken homes, most of them without fathers. The boys are increasingly drugged in government schools, which they are not permitted to leave, while they are promised that the never-ending education they are receiving will ultimately pay off. Now it's not going to.
Then they are subjected to a rotten popular culture via television, film, and video games in lieu of family life, which is all but non-existent at this point.
I think they riot because they are taught this nonsense beginning at an early age in a number of ways. Anything can be used as an excuse to start a riot. Present-day concerns are just one of many throughout history. Others can say that they don't understand the root causes of these sorts of violent outbursts, but it seems pretty clear to me.
The next generation of day-care-raised kids is what worries me the most. What, exactly, are those people supposed to give a damn about?
Chez
August 10th, 2011 at 9:49 am
"Every time a culture gets into trouble it casts itself back into the past looking for the last sane moment it ever knew." – Terence McKenna
You point contains what I believe to be a common but critically flawed assumption: that all of the past is bad and needs to be trashed, while all in the future is good and needs to be embraced. In truth, humanity is in a constant state of experimentation, and this experimentation sometimes includes going back to the past for things that work but that have been perhaps unfairly forgotten discarded.
In Ron Paul's case you are right that he is suggesting that we do a lot of that, and I can't really find much of any of his suggestions on this front that I agree with. For example, you agree with his stance on the Federal Reserve, but if we end it, isn't that "returning to the past"? Well yes, it is. And sometimes you need to do that.
To accept this premise does not imply that you need accept everything about a bygone time. We can go to our past, choose what worked, and leave alone what didn't. And we should.
And personally, my opinions on the "gay rights" movement is, from what I can tell, about in line with Justin's. Give me the Tab-A-into-slot-B freedom. That's all the gay rights I need.
"We are not interested in a return to the primitive, but in a return of the primitive, inasmuch as the primitive is the repressed." – Hakim Bey
mickperry
August 10th, 2011 at 10:07 am
This is what we find. The kids have realised that the thin blue line is thinner than anyone could have believed. Having discovered this, will they be happy to return to school when the vacation is over? Or will many just opt out? All these interactive internet maps allowing you to see where the flare ups are suggests that it isn't necessarily Blackberries at work here at all, but just kids thinking the same thing at the same time. The Blackberries are mainly owned by the voyeur class of course, and I'd hazard a guess that if any of the looters own them it will be older people in their twenties and thirties. Twelve kids meanwhile can shut down a major arterial road, just by setting fire to a plastic waste bin and watching it burn while hanging out and throwing anything that comes to hand at the twelve cops with no riot gear who arrive to respond to the incident. Quite a discovery for the kids, and a realisation and lesson for all of us. To those people who advocate 'coming down hard on them', we ought to suggest they consider that a little more reflection and a little less reaction would be the right direction to choose, particularly when considering our mistakes of the past.
But an authoritarian backlash is inevitable. An old lady on the bus today was telling her husband that if this rioting didn't stop, the police would get supplied with water pistols. I'm sure that she meant cannons, but for Christ's sake, what's it going to be? Some kind of sequel to the war on terror? The War on Kids? It feels horribly predictably inevitable.
conumishu
August 10th, 2011 at 10:19 am
All mass communication depends on the technical infrastructure and specialists and organizations to deliver the tweet or phonecall. Collapse of society would ensure massive breakdowns to the entire network. These thugs of confort would then have to prey in more oldfashioned ways. If the powers that be would have wanted to, they could pull the plug. Possibly it's what they want to happen anyway, precedents to justify it.
I wouldn't worry so much of predictable violent outbursts, the cultural meltdown can express itself (and it does) in more ways and there's no will whatsoever, neither from politicians nor from intelectual elites to stop it and then reverse the trend. They reap what they sowed. Some (if not many) probably still believe this kind of abnormal society is manageable. For certain they don't give a crap if it's not free.
conumishu
August 10th, 2011 at 10:33 am
Cool it a bit. So eager to link everything to the dubious mass murder in Norway.
Anna is right. There are serious issues concerning immigration in Europe, many people are worried about them and they are neither neocon anti-islamist loonies nor racist. Also, truth remains… true independent of who's expressing it. It is very easy to single out and distort ("they smell") a minor topic, but the real upheaval many cities allover Europe experience due to massive, unassimilable immigration can't be dismissed with such sneering.
A. G. Phillbin
August 10th, 2011 at 11:56 am
Do you know for a fact that the majority of the looters "are young people who grew up in broken homes, most of them without fathers?" What is your evidence for this statement?
A. G. Phillbin
August 10th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
You missed one thing in your analysis, Justin, and it's a key thing: class. The looter in that video didn't just say that "we are showing the police we can do what we want." She also said, later in the interview, that "we are showing the RICH PEOPLE and the police we can do what they want." Now, the fact that they equate these shopkeepers with "rich people" definitely shows a certain level of confusion about real economics, but the statement definitely also shows a semi-conscious class orientation. This doesn't mean they are nascent Marxists, or anything like that. They are, indeed, basically nihilistic.
————to be continued————-
A. G. Phillbin
August 10th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
—–2nd of 2————————-
But in Western society (and no, i don't blame "society" for individual acts), who isn't? In America, our two-headed ruling elite acts nihilistically in world affairs, our banking elite creates "derivatives" for the purpose of sacking the meagre "wealth" of middle class home"owners," the rich (through their Republiscum mouthpieces) demand lower taxes no matter what (2 major wars, 2 minor ones, and counting, plus massive debt), the national security state increasingly does whatever it's agents feel like at any given moment, etc. With all this nihilism and narcissism about (and I'm sure Britain is no different), exactly why are the lower orders supposed to behave responsibly?
Chris
August 10th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
I was writing regarding these welfare raised barbarians. I'm not sure what barbarians you're talking about.
B.R. Merrick
August 10th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
I don't know "for a fact" that most are young people from broken homes, but broken homes are a more common phenomenon now. According to mensdefense.org: "The distinctive criminality of teens from broken homes stands out clearly in a criminological study sponsored by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development (NICHHD), based on data collected from a nationally representative sample of more than 20,000 adolescents in grades 7 through 12. A 1990 survey from the National Center for Health Statistics found an ‘alarmingly high’ prevalence of emotional and behavioral problems among all children, with rates two to three times higher for single-parent and stepparent families than for intact families.
"Female-headed households are a minority of households, but they generate over seventy percent of the criminal class."
(http://www.mensdefense.org/STM_Book/FatherDeprivation.htm)
(cont'd)
B.R. Merrick
August 10th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
…Of course, that's America, but here's the BBC:
"In 1961 approximately 333,000 first time marriages and remarriages took place.
"In 1997 these figures had dropped to less than 200,000 first time marriages and around 120,000 remarriages.
"During the same period the divorce rate increased from 50,000 to 100,000. Almost four in 10 babies are now born outside of marriage with just over 150,000 children experiencing their parents' divorce before the age of 16.
"The annual cost of family breakdowns on the public purse is estimated at around £5bn."
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/692150.stm)
(cont'd)
B.R. Merrick
August 10th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
…And, of course, "Old Bureau of Census statistics indicate that in the early 90s the custody continued to be 90% to the mother, 9% to other family members or child shelters, and 1% to the fathers."
(http://www.fathermag.com/901/bic/)
I'll grant you that there is a possibility that these are kids from intact homes with loving parents, but given the above societal trends that everyone else seems to be noticing, what are the odds? Perhaps Britain is a land full of children who are not coerced, not subject to divorce, not wrenched from their fathers, not indoctrinated in government schools, and not lied to by a poisonous popular culture, which would make the conclusion that they riot "because they can" that much more believable. Until I have carefully interviewed every rioter in the future, I shall hold my tongue.
A. G. Phillbin
August 10th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Well, since you don't know who the rioters are, all the rest of what you posted is unnecessary. You, in fact, have no basis whatever to conclude that fatherlessness was a cause of the disturbances. Thank you.
A. G. Phillbin
August 10th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
You don't really get "irony" and "satire," do you?
Jaime
August 10th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Not only the UK but its bastard child the US are champions in providing mass murder at a global scale. A bit of what they do in other countries seems more than deserved.
Avi of Mondoweiss
August 10th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
I love the United States, I just loath racist scum like you.
P.S. – I don't think ignorant racists like you founded this country.
Terrance&Philip
August 10th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
You make an interesting point: The kids have discoverd how easy it is to disrupt the normal routine and, thus, how powerful they really are.
Avi of Mondoweiss
August 10th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
It's quite telling how racist mass murderers bring you and your friends out from under your rocks.
Meanwhile, you're busy telling the world that Breivik acted alone.
You know, much in the same way you demand that every Moselm renounce Al-Qaeda before you drop your generalizations, perhaps we should start demanding scum like you renounce Breivik, just so that we can weed out the racist white supremacists from everyone else.
B.R. Merrick
August 10th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Sure I know who the rioters are. The article Raimondo linked to said "hundreds of youths." The only explanation they gave is "because they can." I guess I'm forbidden from even speculating that many of these youths, in a land where a sizeable minority are born into fatherless homes, may have been raised without fathers.
Or sent to government schools to be indoctrinated and coerced.
Or subjected to a poisonous popular culture.
No, sir. Thank YOU.
Terrence&Philip
August 10th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
I imagine there's always been lawlessness and mendacity at the top. Although, now with the internet and other means of mass communication, what once a few only suspected to be true, everyone knows to be so.
In other words, it's no longer possible to continue to suspend our disbelief and pretend we're governed and led by the "best" and "brightest."
Avi of Mondoweiss
August 10th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
Much in the same way Asad of Syria and Qadhafi of Libya have labeled protesters "terrorists", "extremists" who are "motivated by outside elements", so are many in the West regarding the riots in Britain.
Dismissing unrest as "barbarism" doesn't explain the underlying causes.
There is more to this than meets the eye. It's just that MANY are in denial of the failings of their own governments and society and the — possibly — imminent collapse of the economy.
juschill
August 10th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Not in the last 50 years.
juschill
August 10th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Please explain why we do need more immigrants when we have 10%+ unemployement.
Please explain why we do need more immigrants when Harvard economist George Borjas has proven that each 10% increase in immigrant workers reduces native wages by about 3.5%.
Please explain whe we do need more immigrants when, as Robert Putnam has proven, the more diverse a community is, the less likely its inhabitants are to trust anyone.
Anxiously awaiting.
Jared
August 10th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
Sure I do. The irony in "Avi's" writing is plain for all to see, but it appears lost on him, frankly. He is viciously racist against white Americans and Christians even as a decries them as racists.
And here's another irony: Being lectured by an Israeli on the immorality of immigration restrictions.
Jared
August 10th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Love being lectured on "racist white supremacism" by an Israeli. The irony.
juschill
August 10th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Do you have any response to people other than to call them racist? Nothing in Jared's message indicates any sort of racism at all.
P.S. – I don't think you know much about the people who founded this country.
Guest
August 10th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
All great points. In addition, a larger population depletes our natural resources and puts a burden on the environment.
Chez
August 10th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Wow, sloppy reply. "That I agree with" -> "That I disagree with".
GeoffreyTransom
August 10th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
Justin Raimondo seems to have drunk from the late W. F. Buckley's cup – an outpouring of pent-up rage by those who are the scapegoats for government failure, becomes nothing more than nihilism by 'barbarians'.
Come on, JR – you are way better than that. The sans-culottes looted too – they saw it as an overdue (partial) remediation of the constant upwards-funnelling of the products of their labour.
The young 'misérables' of the UK are tired of being the whipping-boys for the 'breakdown of society': if you add up every dollar that has been paid to the 'welfare mums' of Britain over the last decade, and the other untermenschen who are being castigated for standing on their hind legs now… well, you won't come close to the amount paid to BAE Systems and the banks – the REAL, über-professional looters.
Nobody is arguing that there are opportunists that are simply taking advantage of the chaos – but they are taking their lead from their overlords, who have shown themselves to be merciless, hypocritical, corrupt and scheming.
And one thing that warms my heart is that my anti-police view (that they do fuck-all except flail about in the aftermath and look for a snitch) is being borne out, in spades. And to use the deplorable hackneyed trope so often deployed for the destruction of things of value in which the speaker has no stake… "if it makes one kiddie decide to not become a state goon, it will have been worth it".
Face it: the repair bill from this will be PIDDLING compared to the repair bill from fraud perpetrated by the financial sector, the arms manufacturers, the military and the rest of the REAL 'welfare queens'.
The real barbarians are in the palaces, Justin. And they have been given the smallest taste of what is coming.
Brian
August 10th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
This is the point I have been looking for someone to make, at last: it's so easy to forget that in strict financial terms, the worst riots pale in comparison to the costs borne by society for the crimes committed by the City and Wall Street; and that handful of tragic deaths remains dwarfed by the hundreds of thousands of deaths at the hands of Bush, Blair, and (eventually) Obama and Cameron (now joined by Harper, Sarco, and Burlesque-O-ni, the other Marx brothers). The downward spiral socially is a reflection of downward spirals economically, yes, but more importantly, morally. Have we not been taught to follow our leaders? What shall we do when they lie, steal, kill, and generally go on a rampage in someone else's neighbourhood and take control of it? As ye sow…
mahtay
August 10th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
I have been telling elderly and baby boomer clients of mine for a while now to look out for August 15th-the 40th anniversary of Nixon nixing the god standard-as a time when social silliness (read 'anarchy') starts to take hold. There is a saying that no fiat currency lasts more than 40 years.
Now Justin has put in the 24th as a wee little anniversary as well, albeit ancient, makes me wish I hadn't paid my taxes to the uniformed man with the big gun, and had purchased gold at $800/oz instead!!!!
My greatest fear is if the Chinese Govt fails to hold back the tide of human anger in that country. Or even worse, the industrial pollution rotting their countryside forces a billion determined industrious people to find a home elsewhere!!!!
And if/when the unrest boils over in the US, the constitutionally mandated firearms and shoot-em-up mentality will make it exponentially worse than it is in the UK presently.
A. G. Phillbin
August 10th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
Wrong. The only explanation Raimondo gave was "because they can," and he has a point. And you still don't know who the rioters are, other than that they are youth. You kinow nothing about the lives of the one's rioting, and my guess is that we won't find out until it subsides. And quit whining about being "forbidden" to speculate about such things, as if your precious rights have been violated. You want to speculate, do so. Just stop whining about your speculations being challenged.
Dr.Khan
August 10th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Not so eager as your Media mongers who jumped to the conclusion that Al Qaeda did it before even the Norweigians knew what the hell had happened.Another thing Sir,if you cool me a bit,and think it will go away that people will forget,then sorry you are wrong.I would rather suggest that you ask Norweigian Govt to cool it alot what they are doing in Libya.
Guest
August 10th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
"Because they can" explains nothing.
Consider instead "disenfranchisment." These yobbos are tearing down someone else's world, not their world. Their own world doesn't even rate – not because it doesn't contain money, which it does (along with Blackberrys), but because it's invisible. The world held up to them by advertising, by media, by political agendas, does not contain their reflection. It doesn't say anything about them or to them. It displays them as empty boxes, waiting to be filled up with whatever suits the priorities of an impersonal, faceless system.
It's a useless mirror, so they smash it. "Because they can" is merely to say their rage is not yet impotent; they can still burn and loot, and thereby assert their existence. But steps are already underway to address that.
conumishu
August 10th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
I understand I am scum, lol. You must be the epitome of decency.
I have no idea if Breivik acted alone or not, but you seem to know a lot, maybe you should help the police, such a thesaurus of information shouldn't be wasted.
About the rambling of Muslims renouncing Al-Qaeda, I have no idea what you're talking about, but it's certainly not my business if they renounce or embrace anything or anyone. Maybe they should consult your excellency though, they could learn good manners and eloquence.
musings
August 10th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
Perhaps the different coverage is designed to set up conflict in the confused lower orders about who is and is not to blame. I cannot help remembering the story of the Sikh who was murdered by a "yob" (now on death row or already executed) in the South who took him for an Arab after he heard the storyline of 9/11. He was sure that killing this guy would exact revenge.
Maybe the burnings are also a stupid form of revenge. Note how some female looters said they were "taking back their taxes". Maybe they don't value what they are getting for their taxes. Maybe they think paying for wars is depriving them of something.
musings
August 10th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Yes, I do think it is appropriate if not to link then simply to remind us that the events in Norway happening so recently can have functioned as some sort of provocation. Don't know yet who mowed down three Pakistani youths (I think that was their ethnicity) guarding a shop, killing them. Was it a "rioter"? In a car? I rather imagine it was someone who hated Muslims using the situation to hurt them. There's an old expression by one of the Puritan ministers "Satan loves to fish in roiled waters."
conumishu
August 10th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
It is quite amusing to be lectured about non intervention in Lybia knowing what comments I posted about the subject. Amusement enhanced knowing what I think (and expressed also) about media in general and MSM in particular. If there's anyone who isn't "mine" then it's the media dumbers (mongers included).
Still, the topic Anna raised is valid, unrestricted immigration and the impossibility of cultural assimilation are causing real and growing tensions in many European countries. The multiculturalist experiment is a failure and repression won't make it more viable. And I doubt many Breiviks could be manufactured to justify a massive crackdown on anyone who doesn't toe the party line.
musings
August 10th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Broken homes are a symptom, I would imagine, of people who don't feel it is possible to realize long-term goals as a family, so they split up. It really takes about 20 years to get a kid through his development to some measure of independence and that takes money as well as free time to teach him social development. The fewer resources, the shakier the bonds between parents and children.
No, don't tell me about Churchill and his cold mother. He had his ever-vigilant nanny and his public school for which somebody paid the fees.
There is more than one kind of family break-up nowadays: repeated deployments in a war zone which forces kids to grow up without really having one or another or both parents around. Then there is the soldier with two kids by some woman he is "engaged to." He can commit to Uncle Sam, but it is a lot harder to commit to a woman who might want him to get a different kind of job. So he makes sure she never is sure of him, never gets the upper hand.
But most of the problem with prole drift down to rabble is the economy as we know it. Not so good.
Dr.Khan
August 10th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
I agree that there should have been better laws legislated by the developed countries especially Europe regarding Immigration.They should have adopted what the Middle East has been since long.No citizenship to foreigners.European countries could've done lot more better than ME countriesjust by allowing Poeple come in for specific period of time in which they could learn a skill and earn enough to go back to their home country.
But unfortunately it didn't happen,instead what has happened is what are seeing it today.We could develop trade with eachother with settling in echothers countries for good and becoming headache later.
Dr.Khan
August 10th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
Anna is absolutely right but with utter hatred the way she discribes Immigrants.and more over how intelligent she is saying bad about immigration while claiming herself an American and living in Europe.what a hypocracy.People have moved for thousand of years,still immigrate and will immigate in the future until unless it get massier enough that we wait for anothwer BIG BANG to recreate new universe where no one will know what moving from here to there is a concept.
It is never too late,Europe can stop Immigration,afterall it is there continent they can do whatever they want.But please make enough babies that Europe does not need outsiders to run their machinery for their own survival.
Dr.Khan
August 10th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
I believe it was a delibrate act to provke the Asian community and involve them in the loot.Thank God sanity is prevailing among them and they are not submitting to the whims of the criminals.
Jared
August 10th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
Interesting points
montaigne
August 11th, 2011 at 12:55 am
Or simply people learning from the example set by leaders: Lying , avoiding accountability, killing or swindling as you wish! At your own whim!
NOMOREWARFORISRAEL
August 11th, 2011 at 2:02 am
Big Brother Has Arrived (scroll down to the comments section as well)
http://tinyurl.com/BigBrotherHasArrived
B.R. Merrick
August 11th, 2011 at 5:42 am
At this point, you're pretty much a waste of time, so I will simply state that I'm not whining, I am free to speculate all I want, I am certain that family breakdown including absentee fathers, a poisonous popular culture, and twelve years of boredom in government schools all play a part. Beyond that, I think it's fairly obvious. I never mentioned "precious rights," and I don't mind a challenge to whatever I say, as long as it has merit. I can barely call whatever you're writing a "challenge."
O'Raifeartaigh
August 11th, 2011 at 6:51 am
Well, nonwhite immigration to America and Europe is a major problem..in fact, it is a mortal threat to the continued existence of European people. Raimondo understands this obvious point..as does Noam Chomsky. For these two, any European person who opposes race-replacement is a racist. Well, I don't accept this definition at all. The real racists are the cheerleaders for race-replacement.
The race riot in the UK and the ongoing one on the US-black flash mobs-never would have occured if the nonwhites had nvefr been allowed in the first place..there was no justification for importing them in the first place.
Raimondo and Chomsky should not be the least bit shocked that Europeans and White Americans ae stonglt resisting the policy of race-replacemenet. Over time,Anders Brievick will become a Norwegian and Pan-European hero.
O'Raiffeartaigh
August 11th, 2011 at 7:13 am
It is a race war and class war all mixed in together. The European Social Welfare State can not deliver the goods to make everyone happy.And let's be very clear about something:It has now been documented that behind closed doors,Labor came up woth a policy to import its voters from nonwhite nations. This was their strategy for defeating the Conservative Party in Engand. It is nothing less than monumental treason against the English People.
If Raimondo and Chomsky want to live in a majority nonwhite nation, they should both packup and go live in the Sudan.Enoch Powell was right!! There is absolutely no reason why the Native English,Welsh,Scottish and Native White American populations should tolerate..for one second..a race-replacement immigration policy. The immigration issue will be resolved in a violent race war..which apparently has commenced with great jollity and gusto.Because the antiwar movement is fanatically in favor of race-replacing the Native English and Native White American Populations with darkies..it completely discredits itself… for advocating a policy of race-replacement -importing high fertility darkies- is a declaration of a vicious race war against European People Enoch Powell was right!!!! Take the racism charge and shove it..you are the racist.
O'Raiffeartaigh
August 11th, 2011 at 8:00 am
Keep this in mind:there was-and still is-no economic,cultural,envrionmental-ecological and demographic reason-justification for importing even one post-1965 high fertility darkie-iincluding the nonmuslim asian variety-intto England,America,Canada, and Europe…as far as the legitimate racial interests of Europeans, Native Born White Americans and Native Born White Canadians go. The only ones benefitting from this treasonous race-replacement policy are the sociopathic polticians such as Tony "I'll rub muliticulturalism into the face of the Conservatives" Blair,The White Liberal Greedy Cheating Class-this includes multimillionaire Noam Chomsky and former GE CEO Jack Welch and the post-1965 high fertility darkies. It was easy to predict that England would be the first to blow..such a small country with no more places to flee to.
Why do Alex Cockburn and Noam Chomsky live in lilly White communities…
O'Raiffeartaigh
August 11th, 2011 at 8:16 am
How come Alex Cockburn and Noam Chomsky are not encouraging the Native English to have large families? We all know the answer. Now if the Native Engish did significantly increase their fertility…England would feel a hell of lot more crowded than it does now…something would have to give wouldn' it …such as the mass expulsion of all post-1965 high fertility darkies in England.
Even if the Native English did not increase their fertility, England,Wales and Scottland will still ecologically collapse..the high fertility post-1965 darkies in the UK gaurantee that this will happen…soon.
The Left-Cockburn and Chomsky(nice second home on Martha Vineyard)-Libertarians-the squeaky voice Ron Paul- and Corporate CEOs are all guilty of monumental treason. Behind every great fortune-Chomsky's millions-is a great crime.
Don't rule out the very real possibility that Anders Brievick will become a Norwegian and Pan-European hero one day…800 Norwegian Women have been raped by Pakistani Muslim men in Norway so far…to the great delight of Alex Cockbun and multimillionaire Noam Chomsky. Muslims are an illegitimate presenc in Europe and America(so are the Jamaicans,Hindus and Sihks).
Labors race-replacement immigration policy caused the race riots in England.
Michael Kenny
August 11th, 2011 at 9:24 am
An amusing aspect of all this is that it is the thrid recent disaster for the neocons. They've been huffing and puffing for God knows how long and they still haven't succeeded in blowing the euro down, that Norwegian screwball went and shot the wrong people and now, Britain, their supposed "deputy sheriff" in Europe, explodes. Hard times for neocons!
Brian
August 11th, 2011 at 9:36 am
I heard a young man go on about taxes too. The demographics of people being arrested are unexpected as well: opera steward, primary teacher… More below…
Brian
August 11th, 2011 at 9:40 am
Why is this getting so many negatives? Anna has no business equating people in her own neighbourhood who she doesn't care for with people in a city she does not live in! She has no idea who "these people" in London and elsewhere are, yet she feels free to assume she does and to make this about immigration. If you don't like the word I chose ("racist"), well fine, call it something else: lazy thinking comes to mind first of all, then knee-jerk, and well, you get the idea.
Brian
August 11th, 2011 at 9:42 am
Cool it? Anna may or may not be right about her particular community, though I doubt it–but what the hell does it have to do with riots all over the UK by British people and why does she assume they're all immigrants? Truth remains? What truth? Are you seriously telling me this woman has a fucking clue about what's going on in a country she has never set foot in for all I know? Are you that naive?
Brian
August 11th, 2011 at 9:48 am
"Mortal threat to the conintued existence European people"?
Justin, are you going to let this guy call you a racist? And libel Chomsky while he's at it? I've been reading you since 2001-2, and I have never yet read a thing suggesting you had a problem with "nonwhite" immigration, nor do I see you linking it in your piece.
Get some cojones and argue your own points, my fellow Irish fool, or don't bother making a contributions.
You have not read one word of history in your life, have you? There have never been riots among white people left to their own devices, eh? Pull the other one, it has bells on.
A. G. Phillbin
August 11th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Of course it's a challenge, and one you couldn't answer, however much you try to belittle it. I asked a question, you avoided it, unsuccessfully. And to my ear, your remark about being "forbidden" was whining.
hoosierdaddy69
August 11th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Why doesn't the British government use the SAS (elite troops) to arrest the looters and arsonists ?
Nik
August 11th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Like any riot there were a lot of opportunists out to just cause mayhem. But there were some pretty specific targets for the rioters – like the Sainsbury's and Sony distribution centres. There seems to be have been a fairly resolute anti-corporate/establishment behind a lot of of the flashmobs. After all, the initial tottenham unrest was a direct response to police actions whether legitimate or not. A great deal of frustration has grown in Enlgand recently as normal life become more difficult whilst in certain echelons nothing has seemed to change. The affordability of technology may give a semblance of wealth to a lot of these blackberry slinging hoodlums, but in the long run these are people who do suffer from a poverty of aspirations. Whilst certainly not acceptable, it's certainly not that surprising that a minor incident snowballed into something bigger. You may not get terribly articulate reasoning from a looter during a short vox pop, but that doesn't mean there aren't reasons behind these troubles. I think it's important to accept this isn't symptomatic of a failing civilisation or any thing so grandiose, but just another one of those unfortunate things that just have to be faced up to if life is to go on.
AngelaKeaton
August 11th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
Brian, the comments by O'Raiffeartaigh have been reported. Will let you and the others handle him. –Angela Keaton, moderator.
Talha
August 11th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
Where the HELL are these kids' parents?
Guest
August 11th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
"Because the antiwar movement is fanatically in favor of race-replacing the Native English and Native White American Populations with darkies..it completely discredits itself."
This is a profound observation. Mass population transfers invariably lead to conflict ("war"). It is certainly odd that a group that professes to be against wars would advocate mass immigration.
The common denominator between the conflict in Palestine and the Norway killings is mass immigration.
Guy Tarnto
August 11th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
London burning in 2011 is a violent living horror for thousands of law abiding UK citizens.
Kids are playing at being gangsters just to copy their older brothers. British police have been fighting back overwhelming hordes with just batons and shields. Time for armed police with rubber bullets and tear gas if these morons don't surrender and slink away into the shadows.
Raashid
August 12th, 2011 at 3:40 am
You seem to be confused about the anti war movement. In the US, the main opponents to US military involvement abroad are from people likeRep Ron Paul, who is also vehemently opposed to illegal Hispanic immigration and Pat Buchanan, also very much a proponent of white civilization. The Labour Party in the UK has been consistently supportive of US wars abroad, so is certainly not part of any antiwar movement.
You also seem confused about treason. When the Labour Party wone successive elections, the Tories tried to run on an anti-immigration policy but the English People didn't vote for them. The English people have not been betrayed, they are authors of their own national suicide, much like the White Americans who keep voting for politicians who enable Hispanization of the US (and incidentally there is no such thing as "native" white Americans, all of whom are part of the mass immigration/colonization of the Americas by whites)
conumishu
August 12th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Anyone has the right to extrapolate and everyone does it on a regular basis, it's simply how our brain operates. You may apply more or less accurate checks, but mind tries naturally to extract a bigger picture from info available to it.
I don't think rioters are all immigrants or the volunteers ready to help the police are all pure breed englishmen, in fact it would have made more sense from "white supremacists" theorists if the rioters were massively white englishmen and the victims immigrants. But it isn't so, the violence is not characteristic to only one race or culture, but the incompatibilities and the tensions the unmelting pot cause are in plain view. Of course it's a mixture, of course poverty can be a trigger in itself, naturally there will be troublemakers to profit of the situation, but the other, unPC, issues can't be brushed aside under a general blame directed purely against the acts of violence and not their causes.
I am extremely naive, the most naive person on this planet no doubt, but I can read and in my naivete I've seen she stated clearly she lives in a central european country and from there has the audacity to affirm there is an immigration problem in Europe. I have the same audacity living in a country which has minor problems of this kind and more likely is adding to the pressure of immigration in countries like England, for instance. But my country is deeply affected by the loss of workforce and the strain placed on society by this criminal corporatist policy of encouraging population displacements in order to better control both the natives and the immigrants. So, if you think the problem is serious, I can assure you it is even more serious and insidious in its many facets. And I don't even waste time to address the infuriating belief activists have that they could intimidate people (let alone all the people) into silent submission. The forced "multiculturalism" model is terminally f***ed up and that's that.
conumishu
August 12th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
Meanwhile Cameron announced there will be a blackout on "social" networking in times of trouble. So easy to extend the definition of troubles to suit all "good" causes. You just need a starting point and, surprise, it happened, the boroughs variant of Reichstag's fire.
gary
August 12th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
did justin say that the british elites should have acted quickly and LETHALLY….tell me how does this reflect the libertarian view of small government….killing your own citizens is about as big as government can get
MetaCynic
August 13th, 2011 at 8:48 am
If this was a political uprising provoked by the brutal behavior of the police, the rioters would have stormed police stations and local government offices. If they had a broader understanding of economics, they would have amassed an army to invade Parliament for passing minimum wage laws which ensure a high unemployment rate among the young. Not being literate, they don't have the smarts to torch the useless government schools for failing to prepare them for employment in the adult world. We can't blame them for not stoning the governors of the Bank Of England for creating the boom and bust business cycle and for inflating away the value of the currency when Society's Best and Brightest adore the institution of central banking.
So, the UK's blinkered yobs do what generations of social engineering has conditioned them to do. They seize an opportunity to live for the moment.
A. G. Phillbin
August 13th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Well, being that they are "elite" troops, there probably aren't very many of them, and most of them are probably operating in foreign countries.
A. G. Phillbin
August 13th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
I think most libertarians admit to the need of SOME government, and would back the use of lethal force in extreme circumstances. This does seem to qualify as an extreme circumstance.
Ali
August 14th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
Shame on you Raimondo.