The lamestream media still thinks it gets to define what is the mainstream, and that’s why every account of the recent Republican Leadership Conference (RLC) “reported” that, yes, Ron Paul won the straw poll, but the real significance of the event was John Huntsman’s second place finish. Pointing to the youthfulness and passion of the Paulians, lamestream media outlets invariably also mention the organizational prowess of the Paul Machine in getting their people to these cattle calls. Yet few noted Huntsman’s organization also focused on the New Orleans gathering, which not only sent Huntsman’s wife and top campaign aides but also paid supporters of Obama’s ambassador to China to attend. Where did the money come from to undertake this expensive effort?
Well, we know where Ron got his money – from tens of thousands of small contributions coming in from all over the country in the famous Ron Paul “money bombs” that have wowed political professionals across the spectrum. But what about Huntsman’s cash? It came from “HPAC,” the political action committee Huntsman launched soon after resigning his ambassadorship: and where did that money come from? Well, since Huntsman has yet to actually declare, he doesn’t have to disclose that information, but what I want to know is did he pay for those RLC votes in dollars or yuan?
I’m only half-kidding about that, but the main point is that the lamestreamers – and their neocon bag men – are determined to rob the only consistent anti-interventionist in the race of his victories, no matter how many he chalks up. This is pretty much par for the course, but what’s really absurd about this dismissive attitude is the media’s unwillingness to recognize the enormous intellectual influence of Paul’s views – and especially his foreign policy views – have had on the GOP, and not just on the activist base, but the wider Republican electorate. Take a look at this recent Pew Poll, the results of which are summed up in their headline: “In Shift From Bush Era, More Conservatives Say ‘Come Home America.’”
“In their first major presidential debate June 13, the Republican candidates sketched out a cautious approach to U.S. global engagement that would represent a departure from the policies of the Bush administration. Yet their ideas are very much in tune with the evolving views of the GOP base.
“In the Pew Research Center’s political typology survey, released May 4, majorities in every partisan group –including 55% of conservative Republicans – said the U.S. ‘should pay less attention to problems overseas and concentrate on problems here at home.’
“In December 2004, conservative Republicans had been the only group in which a majority had expressed the opposing view – 58% said ‘it is best for the future of our country to be active in world affairs.’ The proportion of conservative Republicans supporting U.S. activism in world affairs has fallen by 19 points to 39%. Since 2004, liberal Democrats and independents also have become less supportive of U.S. global engagement, but the change has been most dramatic among conservatives.”
Even more definitively, more Republicans (45%) than Democrats (43%) now say “the U.S. should mind its own business internationally.” In previous surveys, the MYOB faction of the GOP was half as large.
Paul’s influence on the foreign policy debate in the GOP is hard to deny, even if you’re a “reporter.” Yet deny it they have: they’re not about to give any credit to someone they consider The Enemy. Christiane Amanpour spent the entire hour of her Sunday show giving John McCain a platform to denounce Republican “isolationism” – and herself sounding the alarm throughout the other segments – without once mentioning the most prominent “isolationist” of them all, the one who made it okay – and then cool – to question America’s burden of empire in polite Republican company: Ron Paul.
Surely the War Party is scared to death that the so-called “isolationist” (i.e., anti-meddling) wing of the GOP will take over: what really mortifies them, however, isn’t Paul winning straw polls (although they don’t like it), but the other candidates echoing Paul’s views, albeit in vague and very watered-down terms. That’s why McCain, the architect of the GOP’s last electoral disaster, and his neoconservative janissaries have taken to the hustings to exorcise the “isolationist” demon.
McCain has less credibility among conservatives than even Romney, and sending him out there to make the case for US intervention in Libya probably helps the “isolationist” cause more than it hurts, and so we have the War Party moving on another front – the familiar PNAC tactic of issuing “open letters,” this time decrying House Republicans for not supporting Obama’s Libya adventure. Drafted by Elliott Abrams, Robert Kagan, and William Kristol – one convicted criminal and two chickenhawks – the letter, which expresses “grave concern” that House Republicans aren’t reflexively supporting the spilling of American blood, “is now being circulated for signature by leading Republican and conservative foreign policy types.” Just how many of these “types” have signed on so far is unknown: what is known, however, is that the admonitions of the neocons and their failed presidential candidate are likely to have zero effect on the emerging Republican foreign policy consensus.
One major problem for the War Party is that neither McCain nor the Kristol-Kagan-Abrams triumvirate really offer any substantial arguments in support of their views. We are told that there will be horrific consequences if we are “defeated” by Gadhafi, and yet there is nothing too specific, only that ending our participation in the war “would suggest that American leadership and resolution were now gravely in doubt.” But leadership and resolution in pursuit of a mistaken course is precisely what got us into trouble in Iraq, and now Afghanistan, both of which have ended in disaster. Are we now going to follow the advice of those most responsible for these twin catastrophes and make the same mistake a third time?
Republicans are wising up to Kristol and his fellow “foreign policy types” who never met a war they didn’t love. At a time when Americans are losing their jobs, their homes, and their nation, these are the last people Republicans want to hear from.
While the neocons are hoping “American leadership” exercised in Libya (and possibly Syria) will co-opt the Arab Spring, what they really fear is an American Spring. And just as they never foresaw the Arab awakening and the overthrow of US-supported dictators in Egypt and Tunisia, so they are blind to the coming American awakening – a massive grassroots rebellion against the political status quo right here in this country.
For more than half a century the foreign policy consensus of both parties has been a “politics stops at the water’s edge” interventionism, in which the role of American “global leadership” was never questioned (except briefly, during the Vietnam era). That ideological hegemony is now being broken, as ordinary Americans – not the usual “foreign policy types” cashiered by the big defense contractors – are demanding the US begin minding its own business instead of everybody else’s.
The neocons thought they could get away with declaring that “everything changed” after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, and that Americans were too damned scared to question whether US foreign policy had to be one long killing spree extending into the indefinite future. Not so.
The present condition of the American people is often described as “war weary,” but they’re weary of a lot more than that: they’re sick unto death of self-proclaimed “experts” like Senor Kristol and the Kagan family, who’ve never been anywhere near a battlefield, telling them we have to conquer the world and make sure it stays conquered.
The War Party has lost the intellectual battle – and it’s just a matter of time before they lose the political battle as well. The wind is in the sails of the USS Isolationist, which might be renamed the USS Tea Partier – Captain Ron Paul at the wheel. Before you know it, the neocons will set sail for another shore and hightail it back to the Democratic party, where they were spawned. If the Dems are smart – and they aren’t – they’ll rebuff these parasites, who attach themselves to larger political animals and feed until their host is nothing but a drained husk. Which is what the GOP was in the wake of Obama’s election victory.
Revived, and renewed by a populist upsurge, the Republican party – incredibly enough – is becoming the main political vessel of anti-interventionism in the US only a few years after leading this country into two of the most unsuccessful wars we’ve ever fought. There’s a lesson in there, somewhere, which I wonder if the present Republican leadership is capable of understanding, let alone learning.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Edward Snowden vs. the Sovietization of America – June 18th, 2013
- A Note to My Readers – June 16th, 2013
- Datagate and the Death of American Liberalism – June 13th, 2013
- Smear Brigade Goes After Snowden – June 11th, 2013
- Edward Snowden, American Hero – June 9th, 2013





skulz fontaine
June 19th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
Mr. Justin, you state, "Just how many of these “types” have signed on so far is unknown: what is known, however, is that the admonitions of the neocons and their failed presidential candidate are likely to have zero effect on the emerging Republican foreign policy consensus."
Ergo- 'zerocons'. As, nothing from nothing leaves nothing and Billy 'bully' Kristol is certain much ado about nothing. Well, except slaughter. As long as that slaughter doesn't touch him.
Amanpour? What a useless bag of bluster there boy. McCain? Holy lunacy home-boy, STFU and RETIRE already.
With any luck at all, we'll have us an 'American Spring' and the war party will finally get to face a war crimes tribunal. However, not as long as Babylon-On-The-Potomac wonks and vermin are running amok with OUR government.
Johnny in Wi.
June 19th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
What a great essay. Who on this site has been predicting the civil war engulfing the Republican Party for a long time? Me that's who. The liberals here kept deriding me. Well now it's your turn. Go start a civil war in the Democrat Party and run a no-interventionist against Obama. Ron Paul is the intellectual giant pulling the whole country in the right direction on both foreign and domestic policy. The neo-cons must be desperate to pull out a pair of dead fish like McCain and Graham to make their case. That is like throwing meat to a group of angry lions. They even rolled Bob Dole out of his nursing home a few days ago to push for General Petraeus as the nominee.
ted619
June 20th, 2011 at 12:05 am
OK so let me tell you how this will happen. First of all Obama is a shoe in for the next term. He will run against someone that is even more of a moron and will win because he is the lesser of two evils. Or there will be some sort of false flag terror event that galvanizes support for Obama. OK but let's say there is a big groundswell of isolationism in the GOP. They will co opt Paul's message and then smear him, the guy that wins will say whatever to get elected and then do the exact opposite once in office. You say you want a revolution? Our constitution ensures that we have the right to free speech and assembly. These are your raw materials. You can not lobby a sick system, you can not overthrow it with might, you can not win by going out on the streets and yelling. MLK showed you the way. Ghandi showed you the way. It will take years, set backs, hard work in real communities with real people teaching a doctrine and discipline of non violence, starting with a process of self purification. OK you are not really up to this. Or are you? Liberals only care about trees and pets and libertarians gold and guns, neither way is the right path. They are both cop outs.
Legal Brief
June 20th, 2011 at 1:13 am
The American Spring was in 1992, when Brown, Perot, Nader and Buchanan carried the antiwar banner. Perot even led the pack. Then he temporarily pulled out, half endorsing AIPAC warrior Clinton, taking the wind out of the sails of peace and third party movements.
For a while in 1992, peace was mainstream. Yet moment morphed into disappointment and an opportunity for the war party to bash independents.
Wandering Cynic
June 20th, 2011 at 4:02 am
"First of all Obama is a shoe in for the next term. He will run against someone that is even more of a moron and will win because he is the lesser of two evils."
He'll win because I'd bet top dollar the GOP is just smart enough to know it doesn't want to win the white house given the current state of the country. The man in charge always takes the fall, no matter what damage his predecessors did long before he got there. Would you want to be made Captain of the Titanic 30 seconds before it slips beneath the waves?
"MLK showed you the way. Gandhi showed you the way."
They showed nothing. Both men died tragically by an assassin's bullet. Revolutionaries like Pol-Pot, Mao, Ho Chi Minh, and Lenin died of old age. Castro is still kicking. So much for that "live by the sword" saying.
MLKs dream has turned into a nightmare.
As for Gandhi, Here was his plan for winning WWII:
"Hitler killed five million Jews. It is the greatest crime of our time. But the Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher’s knife. They should have thrown themselves into the sea from cliffs… It would have aroused the world and the people of Germany… As it is they succumbed anyway in their millions."
Yes, the best way to defeat an enemy hell bent on your total annihilation is to…kill yourself. And he came up with this brilliant plan in 1946 after the footage of the death camps had been made public to the world.
Non-violent resistance is a fools errand and a pretty fairy tail to keep the proles placated. Marx was wrong. It's the soap box and the voting booth that is the true opiate of the masses. The elites must laugh themselves stupid every night over the fact that people are so gullible.
That's always been my vision of how America dies. People screaming about the need to establish a dialogue and "reach across the isle" with their final breaths as the tanks grind them to paste under their treads.
richard vajs
June 20th, 2011 at 4:31 am
The terms "pro-war" and "anti-war" are actually too broad for the truth. Try "pro-Zionist" or "anti-Zionist" and you will shed more light.
Geo1671
June 20th, 2011 at 5:06 am
Just'in I got a question 4U– If elected president 2012 (Ron Paul) and all the rest are known as Israel Firsters ,What is the chance of Ron Paul,receiving a MOSSAD planned heart attack?
( MOSSAD invented this undetectable heart stopper– A small CO2 pistol that shoots a thin ice crystal into the heart– victum's heart stops in seconds)
I suspect Ron will be 2012 President,for the same reason Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter were parachuted into the position. after a war party mess–bring in the geeks and then boot them out after the first term and start the killings again.
Hans
June 20th, 2011 at 5:23 am
Hasn't that demented old war pig McCain had a gut full of killing by now? Seriously he reminds me of the grandpa in "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre' , with his last croaking gasp he's trying to take somebody else out.
Maidhc Ó Cathail
June 20th, 2011 at 6:05 am
"And just as they never foresaw the Arab awakening and the overthrow of US-supported dictators in Egypt and Tunisia…"
You mean their friends at NED, IRI, NDI, MEPI, POMED, Freedom House, AYM, ICNC, Cyberdissidents.org, WINEP's Project Fikra and Saban's MEDD Project and Brookings Doha Center didn't fill them in on their tireless efforts to promote "Arab democracy"?
Maidhc Ó Cathail
June 20th, 2011 at 6:06 am
But, according to the Washington Post, Kagan "long before the revolution helped assemble a nonpartisan group of policy experts to press for democratic change in Egypt." That nonpartisan Working Group on Egypt included Abrams, who as early as January 7 gushed, "If Tunisia can move toward democracy, Algerians and Egyptians and even Libyans will wonder why they cannot. This kind of thing may catch on." As for Mubarak's ouster, Kristol opined on January 30, "'Twere well it were quickly."
If that's what neocon fear sounds like, it's hard to imagine their reaction if they were pleased! Actually, there's no need to imagine. Just read Kristol's "The Arabs' Spring–And Ours."
ted619
June 20th, 2011 at 6:09 am
@wandering Cynic America is already dead because of cowards like you
John V. Walsh
June 20th, 2011 at 6:21 am
Great column by Justin.
What should antiwarriors on the Left do in response? Organize a primary crossover vote among independents in NH. (Also get Dems to become independents to vote in the Republican primary. Obama will win the Dem nomination anyway so voting in the Dem primary is a "wasted vote.")
But the hour is late.
jw
Bob D
June 20th, 2011 at 6:59 am
Hard to disagree with anything you say in this dark vision.Although MLK and Ghandi both were assasinated, they did cause a change in attitudes, if disapointingly small. The same can be said for Ron Paul. With Ron's remaking of the Republican party as less of a perpetual war advocate do you really think Obama will let a phony Republican peace candidate steal that issue from him? Obama will have to bring more and more troops home. After all, he knows from being a phony peace candidate himself in the last election, he will have to keep to the non-intervention side of the other phony with actions he is now in a position to make.
JLS
June 20th, 2011 at 8:20 am
The big story underlying all this is once again the pathetic cowardice and cluelessness of the Ameican news media. It is only CNN, Foxnews, MSNBC, ABC news etc, that keep giving the appearence of credibility to the McCain's, Liebermans, and Lindsay Grahams.
montaigne
June 20th, 2011 at 8:32 am
That false flag event: It is truly on that infamous American table! Probably being planned now in advance, so that the event can be timed for maximum effect on the election.
Samuel Dimuzio
June 20th, 2011 at 9:20 am
…a wee bit early to say the Republicans are in revolt and want to stop all wars and concentrate on
rebuilding America. There is a definite underlying trend that such is happening, maturing and growing.
A sure sign that President Obama and his party are in serious trouble will be when a Republican candidate steps up to proclaim that Obama and his party is a veneer having caused further damage
then the previous administration (which was a catastrophe)
Right now the one individual showing a fighter instinct is Governor Chris Christie. His whole record
is going after the opposition to reverse errors. And it is an excellent record, far far superior to Obama
and Bush. Others may have the innard fight instinct and have yet to show it. (Cheer leading is
not acceptable).
Chris Moore
June 20th, 2011 at 9:27 am
I'm afraid it's not clulessness, but complicity. Just look at who owns and runs so much of MSM. The Zionist element is rank.
Heathcliff_Maw
June 20th, 2011 at 10:38 am
The overwhelming media bias in this country has always been towards sensationalism, pro-government, pro-status quo. Those who tell you that the bias is liberal are trying to cover for the status quo. William Randolf Hearst was the Rupert Murdoch of his time.
marko
June 20th, 2011 at 11:22 am
"Revived, and renewed by a populist upsurge, the Republican party – incredibly enough – is becoming the main political vessel of anti-interventionism in the US only a few years after leading this country into two of the most unsuccessful wars we’ve ever fought."
Yeah, right. Until one of theirs gets into office. Just like the Dumbocraps. Two wings of the same bird of prey. Sorry, no. Would like it to be that way but it ain't gonna happen. It's like saying a terminal cancer patient just needs to strengthen his positive attitude and he can recover. At a certain point, multiple processes set into motion take on their own inertia and can't simply be switched off or reversed. Given the scope and scale of the corruption and decline in pretty much all sectors, that's what we're looking at here. Perhaps after some monumental empire collapse there will be a few left to pick up the pieces and start again, beginning with reconsideration of values and a real re-education. But it ain't gonna be painless, and it ain't gonna be no simple sudden U-turn on the road to ruin. Although I do so wish it would.
andy
June 20th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Well said Hans.
liberranter
June 20th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
What is the chance of Ron Paul,receiving a MOSSAD planned heart attack?
( MOSSAD invented this undetectable heart stopper– A small CO2 pistol that shoots a thin ice crystal into the heart– victum's heart stops in seconds)
Not a chance, for the simple reason that the CIA will beat the Mossad to it. This assumes, of course, that a psyops campaign doesn't do the trick first by discrediting Ron with trumped up accusations of wrongdoing before he evens gets as far as the primaries, accusations that the brainless sheeple masses will gobble up like sweet mother's milk and echo with every ounce of their acerebral, emotion-driven convictions.
liberranter
June 20th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
Only McCain has never directly killed anybody with his own bare hands before in his life, and probably wouldn't have the guts to do so even if given the chance. (He used precision machinery, from an altitude of several thousand feet to do so in Vietnam, but even then managed to get a small comeuppance for his efforts by getting shot down and locked up).
I will,however, say this much for McInsane: he is a direct reflection of the bloodthirsty, ignorant redneck morons here in the Grand Scamyon State who have kept him in the Senate for nearly three decades. Most them wouldn't have the guts to do themselves what they fantasize about having others do abroad or at home either.
liberranter
June 20th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Are we now going to follow the advice of those most responsible for these twin catastrophes and make the same mistake a third time?
If by "we" you mean the Amoricon public and/or the Republican Party establishment leadership, the answer is an unqualified YES. If it isn't obvious by now that "we" NEVER learn anything from history and that "we" never will, I don't know what the ultimate convincing agent could possibly be.
Again, the bottom line: The Establishment organs that maintain iron-fisted control of both artificial political parties AND the While House will NEVER, EVER allow the libertarian, anarcho-capitalist philosophy, or any candidate espousing it, to get anywhere near the White House except as a visitor.
mezenc
June 20th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Very true. I remember Jerry Brown talking about a peace dividend from the end of the Cold War. Gen. Zinni said that Clinton wanted to invade Iraq. He just couldn't get away with it so we had to have 9/11, the New Pearl Harbor. As it was, Clinton kept sanctions on Iraq and bombed Iraq and created the Osama bin Laden bogey man, all the while allowing the number of Israeli settlers in the occuped territories to double.
mezenc
June 20th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Good point that this happening early on will force the Republican candidates to take a stand. Romney looked ill when he had to answer the guy who wanted to know when the Afghanistan war will end. What an answer, " Just as soon as possible once the generals tell me its OK to leave." Thats a leader???
Romney, Pawlenty, Huntsman, Gingrich, Santorum want to talk about Obamacare, not these damned wars. The news media tries to keep the wars a non-issue, too. This is the nice thing about presidential primaries and that they have to talk to actual citizens.
Oswaldwasalefty
June 20th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
I wish I had Justin's optimism about a growing opposition to U.S. imperialism, but I don't. There hasn't been an anti-war upsurge against a Democratic president in over 40 years, and I just don't see it happening again anytime soon. The other great anti-war upsurge happened during an Republican administration in 2002-03. Other than that, most anti-war activism has been carried out by principled opponents of Washington's global meddling. You know, like the campaign against the School of the Americas and other Third World solidarity activism. And this anti-war activism of the past half century has been overwhelmingly carried out by the political left.
Oh yeah, and an "American Spring"! Ha! I would love to be wrong about this one, but keep dreaming. Americans are too accustomed to going to the voting booth, and then going home and watching television, or surfing the web with their new electronic gadgets. Americans have shown a remarkable tolerance for having the degradations of Third World style economic policies shoved down their throats. It's going to have to get much worse before Americans hit the streets Tunisia/Egypt style.
Richard
June 20th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
It's not Spring, just Indian Summer. In the unlikely event Romney or similar get elected, they will simply continue our approaches in Iraq and Afghanistan, making noise about how Libya is bad, but then getting involved in Iran/Syria/wherever (it's a smorgasbord of opportunities now!). This will be OK, because Republican wars are good, Democrat wars bad. That's why Bosnia was bad.
Progressives will feel their oats and suddenly take to the streets again protesting our new involvement in Iran/Syria/wherever because now the elephant logo is on the bombs being dropped.
Collapse of the US ala the USSR might prevent this, but a few Internet polls won by an old doctor won't.
If I'm wrong, well, the advantage of being a pessimist is either you are right or you are pleasantly surprised.
RPTwentyTwelve
June 20th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
Looking forward to vote Ron Paul in 2012!
Avi of Mondoweiss
June 20th, 2011 at 9:02 pm
Actually the leeches known as The Zionist Movement have been sucking blood from both world Jewry and from the US.
And Jews have benefited from Israel as much as Germans have benefited from Nazi Germany. That is to say that no one likes to be associated with criminals and thugs, especially when they pretend to be family.
Strider55
June 20th, 2011 at 11:03 pm
No amount of blood and death will satisfy McCain or the rest of the neocon scum. They're as addicted to it as a junkie is to heroin. The more they get, the more they need, just to feel "normal."
Truth
June 21st, 2011 at 2:54 am
You forgot to mention the part where Gandhi said " Hitler did not come about in Germany for no reason. The behaviour of the Jews after WWI helped to create the conditions necessary for his rise to power. " And he was absolutely right, not that I would expect you to understand that.
Ali
June 21st, 2011 at 5:00 am
That is Spring in America? Likt that, you'll be lucky if you get Gatlinburg in mid July. You all know you will come away with a different point of view, anyway.
Peacegeek
June 21st, 2011 at 5:32 am
This is Justin's low point. Ron Paul is an isolationist and deeply conservative. Paul's isolation springs from his reactionary ideology. If Paul were to become president (an impossibility) he would do absolutely nothing to change anything in foreign policy. Neither the Pentagon nor the Republican caucus would permit it. The contention that the Republicans are now the "main political vessel of anti-interventionism" is totally preposterous. Justin ran in the Republican primary in hopes of facing off against Nancy Pelosi, but he lost. Justin is a very brilliant man, but he fails to tell his audience that in 2004 Ron Paul addressed the House of Representatives with a statement deeply critical of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Paul is pro-life and pro-gun. Paul is a mainstream Tea Party figure, and he would be a perfectly horrible president.
Danielle
June 21st, 2011 at 7:10 am
Yes, he is pro-life and anti-war. How terribly strange and dangerous. Somewhat consistent, though? Neither the left nor the right can claim that.
Peacegeek
June 21st, 2011 at 10:05 am
You have made my case: Ron Paul appeals to right-wing nut-jobs who promote a radical and anarchic society ruled by the guns of private citizens as well as a huge totalitarian bureaucracy to violate women's rights to choose when they give birth – plus, opponents of civil rights for racial, sexual and ethnic minorities. If Paul was on 50 state ballots he would get less than 1% of the vote on that platform. Justin Raimondo would not support that platform – the reign of the gun would knock him off that bandwagon and if that one didn't the repeal of civil rights for minorities certainly would.
Peacegeek
June 21st, 2011 at 10:09 am
So, you are saying that pro-choice is pro-war? Pro-Life is totalitarian to the ne plus ultra maximum – a policy that denies women the right to choose when they will give birth – male chauvinist tyranny at its most visceral. While the readers of antiwar.com are antiwar, they do not have to support pro-life policies of the Pope and his faithful followers. You have failed to appreciate one of Mencken's maxims: Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. Consistency taken to extremes can lead to a holocaust.
Peacegeek
June 21st, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Paul's opposition to Roe v. Wade and abortion rights is well known. Here is a quote from the site linked in your reply:
“I am strongly pro-life. I think one of the most disastrous rulings of this century was Roe versus Wade. I do believe in the slippery slope theory. I believe that if people are careless and casual about life at the beginning of life, we will be careless and casual about life at the end. Abortion leads to euthanasia. I believe that.”
Paul is firmly on the record of opposing women's rights to abortion, removing their right to determine when they give birth. Dangerously totalitarian – totally unacceptable to advocates of the free and open society.
Bill
June 21st, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Great article and great vision, Justin
Strider55
June 22nd, 2011 at 1:03 am
MY NAME IS SUE!
HOW DO YOU DO?!
NOW YOU'RE GONNA DIE!!
(for those who forgot the lyrics)
A. G. Phillbin
July 1st, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Well, i wouldn't know about "radical" or "anarchic," but I favor arming abortion clinic workers, so they can defend themselves, and their clients, against vicious, self-styled "pro-life" nutcases. Does that make me left, right, or what? I own four guns, I'm pro-choice, pro-civil rights (RP & the libertarians are simply wrong on that one), & anti-gun control. Where does that put me on your yardstick?
On civil rights, the libertarians (and other conservatives) make the stupid mistake of placing "states rights" on a par with individual rights. They don't understand that the very concept of "states rights" is a type of "collective right," which is something that libertarians say shouldn't exist. "States" are governments; and governments only have powers, not rights. "States" have no "rights" that the individual need respect. If the larger (ie "Federal") government is more consistent in protecting individual rights, I back it against the smaller govt (ie "states"); where the reverse is true, i reverse my support.
Peacegeek
July 1st, 2011 at 7:31 pm
If you were asking me, I would place you in the center of the political spectrum – along with myself. Whether the employees of the abortion clinic should own guns or have armed security, it is clear that they are under constant threat from the pro-life right-wing gun-nuts. In a free and open society, states do not have rights, people do. In a closed society like the Third Reich, the state assumes totalitarian powers as if they were rights. We should all be enemies of the state. States only exist in order to mete out justice – they have no other useful purpose. When they fail to do that, they must be opposed.
Peacegeek
July 1st, 2011 at 7:40 pm
Ron Paul would restrict school integration. Paul's appeal to the black vote is very close to zero. Guns cannot secure rights for minorities. The insurgents in the Warsaw Ghetto were armed with pistols and rifles and even some automatic weapons, but they were crushed by superior Nazi firepower. It is scarcely believable that anyone would argue your position in 2011. The state can overpower any puny gun-toting individual or minority like the Branch Davidians or Bonnie and Clyde with extravagant ease. Your vision of gun power is nothing less than a fantasy.
A. G. Phillbin
July 3rd, 2011 at 12:07 am
I could go along with pretty much everything you had to say in response to me, with two quibbles:
1) I don't really view myself as being in the "center" of the political spectrum, although I've certainly been way further left than I am today. I would regard my views as somewhat eclectic, perhaps left-wing with a libertarian streak. The "center" is full of too much garbage I wouldn't care to identify myself with — conservadems, neolibs, neocons, etc.
2) I don't like the term "gun nut." My ownership of four guns, and my strong opposition to gun control would likely make me a "gun nut" in many people's eyes. It's a meaningless term, pushed by "liberals" trying to denigrate their opponents. My proposal to arm abortion clinic workers would no doubt turn them into "gun nuts." And yes, they should hire armed security as well. The threat comes from the fanaticism of the "pro-life right-wing(ers)," not their "gun nut(tery)." I'm a "gun nut," and I'm pro-choice. Wouldn't that make a good bumper sticker?
A. G. Phillbin
July 3rd, 2011 at 12:07 am
I would also advocate that trade unionists avail themselves of their Second Amendment rights. But how does someone who says "(w)e should all be enemies of the state" support gun control by those very same states? Think it through.
A. G. Phillbin
July 3rd, 2011 at 12:14 am
It took Nazi firepower six weeks to crush the lightly armed Warsaw Ghetto uprising. Had the Jewish population of Eastern Europe been armed before the Nazis took over, more of them might have survived. I would also point out that the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan by the US have not been carried out with "extravagant ease." Why do you suppose that is?
By the way, how exactly would Ron Paul "restrict school integration?" Would he throw black kids out of predominantly white schools? Or is he just opposed to idiotic busing proposals?