The Energy Vampires
Why Britain and France are so gung-ho to attack Libya
To hear the “humanitarian” interventionists tell it, the NATO alliance is currently bombing Libya in order to avert an alleged “massacre” that may – or may not – happen if Moammar Gadhafi gets his hands on the rebels now holding the eastern province known as Cyrenaica. It’s just a coincidence that Libya is a major oil producer, and that the NATO allies demanding the dictator’s ouster are thirsty for the stuff.
If you believe otherwise, well then you’ve fallen victim to a “conspiracy theory,” as any number of unrepentant neocons will tell you. During the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, they were disdainful of the claim that their pet project was a thinly disguised oil grab, and still deny it. Yet now the documentary evidence is in, and it looks like the “war for oil” crowd was right, at least insofar as it concerns Tony Blair’s key supporting role as Bush’s British lapdog. A cache of over 1,000 memos obtained by author Greg Muttitt under the Freedom of Information act document at least five meetings between British government officials and BP/Shell as the war propaganda began to heat up. As the Independent reports:
“Five months before the March 2003 invasion, Baroness Symons, then the Trade Minister, told BP that the Government believed British energy firms should be given a share of Iraq’s enormous oil and gas reserves as a reward for Tony Blair’s military commitment to US plans for regime change.
“The papers show that Lady Symons agreed to lobby the Bush administration on BP’s behalf because the oil giant feared it was being ‘locked out’ of deals that Washington was quietly striking with US, French and Russian governments and their energy firms.
“Minutes of a meeting with BP, Shell and BG (formerly British Gas) on 31 October 2002 read: ‘Baroness Symons agreed that it would be difficult to justify British companies losing out in Iraq in that way if the UK had itself been a conspicuous supporter of the US government throughout the crisis.’ The minister then promised to ‘report back to the companies before Christmas’ on her lobbying efforts.”
With the US in the role of the Godfather, handing out favors to his trusted consiglieres, our British lapdogs were eager to get their just reward – and, as the Independent notes, the Baroness succeeded in her lobbying efforts:
“The 20-year contracts signed in the wake of the invasion were the largest in the history of the oil industry. They covered half of Iraq’s reserves – 60 billion barrels of oil, bought up by companies such as BP and CNPC (China National Petroleum Company), whose joint consortium alone stands to make £403m ($658m) profit per year from the Rumaila field in southern Iraq. Last week, Iraq raised its oil output to the highest level for almost decade, 2.7 million barrels a day – seen as especially important at the moment given the regional volatility and loss of Libyan output.”
There were, to be sure, other factors that lured us into the Iraqi quagmire, and there’s always a fine line between ideological and economic interests. However, as far as the Brits are concerned, pure greed seems to have quickened New Labor’s evolution into the neocons’ European outpost – and the same interests are motivating the “humanitarian” rescue of the Libyan rebels.
A recent report issued by the Office of Gas and Electricity Markets [Ofgem], the corporatist entity that regulates energy-related commerce in the UK, warns British consumers:
“Radical steps must be taken to safeguard UK power supplies and prevent growing numbers of people being hit with energy bills they cannot afford, a watchdog has warned.
“Ofgem said failure to reform the energy system to free up the £200billion investment needed to secure future supplies might lead to power shortages after 2015. Staying with the current market model was ‘not an option’, it said, due to the unprecedented pressures of the financial crisis, environmental targets, dependency on imported gas and closure of aging power stations. ”In a report, the power watchdog said consumers would suffer unless urgent action was taken to free up investment in new power generation, such as renewables and nuclear energy. Ofgem made five suggestions, which all involve moving away from privatized energy markets towards a system giving the government greater control.”
Projected rate hikes of 60 percent would hit consumers hard: in tandem with the government’s much-hated austerity budget, this could be the spark that sets off a political and social conflagration. Faced with a combination of the oil truckers’ protests that paralyzed Europe in 2000, and the “anti-cuts” riots of more recent vintage, the Conservative-LibDem government – and, conceivably, the entire British political establishment – would face certain demise.
If “radical steps” must be taken to avert this scenario, then surely there is no step more radical than going to war – although this was not among Ofgem’s five suggestions.
The same economic time-bomb is ticking across the Channel, where French President Sarkozy is reveling in his newfound Napoleonic persona: France was the first country to officially recognize the Benghazi “National Council.” While our European allies compete for the Libyan spoils, the US government, as Charles C. Johnson trenchantly points out, is relegated to the role of gofer. While the French looked down their noses at what many on the Continent believed to be a war for oil in Iraq, “it turns out,” in the case of the Libyan intervention,
“America’s fighting Europe’s own actual War for Oil. Just have a look at the figures for yourself, courtesy of the International Energy Agency, and note which countries have seen their [Libyan] oil imports rise and which haven’t. America got a total .5 percent of crude [Libyan oil] imports in 2010, or, 51 million barrels per day 9mb/d0, down more than half from 122 [mb/d) in 2007. Compare that to France’s imports from Libya which have nearly doubled from 2007 (105 mb/d versus 205 mb/d in 2010). Now do you get why French president Nicolas Sarkozy is suddenly sounding hawkish on Libya?”
I note with glee that this excellent analysis appears on Andrew Breitbart’s web site, “Big Peace,” which used to be devoted to attacking anti-interventionists during the Iraq war and is now, it seems, doing a 180-degree turnabout when it comes to Obama’s War in North Africa. Although I suspect there just may be purely partisan reasons behind this sudden reasonableness, the antiwar cause can’t afford to be all that picky these days – what with the wholesale desertion of the Obama cultists and the revival of “humanitarian” interventionism on the limousine-liberal “left.” It is apparently left to conservatives to be the ones to point out that this is indeed a war for somebody else’s oil. As Johnson puts it:
“What does this have to do with America? Absolutely nothing. But don’t expect our government – or our media – to understand that. To defenders of our military adventurism that we have no national security or strategic interest is the very reason that we have to be involved.”
Just so. For the benefit of the “progressive’ rank-and-file, the phony banner of “humanitarianism” is being raised by the authors of this war. But that’s just fodder for the rubes to chew on as Western leaders get down to the real business of doing business. This is the true meaning of “multilateralism” – an arrangement in which the US agrees to share the loot with its allies, and even let them take the lead. Share the wealth – and the blame, when the truth comes out.
Europe’s energy vampires are out to make a killing: that’s what has the British and the French reliving their glory days of colonial adventurism. In America, the motives are more mixed: sure, there are economic interests involved. Oil is fungible, and the loss of Libyan supplies has driven US prices up. In addition, however, there’s also the ideological factor at work in Washington, a genuine “progressive” commitment to the new war doctrine of the Obama administration: the “responsibility to protect” – in effect a blank check for the US and its allies to intervene anywhere outside the West.
Energized by a zeal to stamp out racism, sexism, homophobia, and all the other ills diagnosed by perpetually agonized liberals – and eager to shed the anti-military, anti-interventionist image of their party – the Obama administration, led by Hillary Clinton and her squadron of busybodies, is setting here an important precedent, one that this administration – or the next – is bound to find useful in the not-too-distant future. After all, if we have a “responsibility to protect” Libyan protesters from Gadhafi’s wrath, then what about those Iranian protesters who are being cut down in the streets – or the Syrians who are bravely rising up against their despot? Both countries are longtime targets of America’s ire, and it’s only a matter of time before the Obama Doctrine is invoked to strike Damascus and Tehran.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Edward Snowden vs. the Sovietization of America – June 18th, 2013
- A Note to My Readers – June 16th, 2013
- Datagate and the Death of American Liberalism – June 13th, 2013
- Smear Brigade Goes After Snowden – June 11th, 2013
- Edward Snowden, American Hero – June 9th, 2013





mark
April 19th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
[US] War for [European] oil?
Are we to believe that the US government squandered over one trillion dollars and wasted as many as one million (Iraqi) lives so a handful of British-based oil companies could make a few billion more each year in profits? This is a very dubious proposition.
Please remember that these energy giants must still pay for the crude–and it's now much more expensive than ever (due in part to deficit war spending that's debased our currencies). Don't forget also that all these Arab states are all one-horse economies. In order to survive, they need to sell their crude as much as we need to acquire it.
It was the Ziocon drive for 'creative destruction' (Is it good for Israel?) as well as the waning American appetite to rule the world that's brought on these military disasters. The oil motive is a left wing myth since the Arabs need to sell oil in order to survive economically.
Bodkin
April 19th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
"what about those Iranian protesters who are being cut down in the streets – or the Syrians who are bravely rising up against their despot?"
Raimondo's right to raise these two specific trouble spots. There's a great deal going on involving Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia which isn't being widely reported. Apparently, the Saudis are incensed that neither the USA nor Israel are serious about neutralizing the growing threat from Iran, and the Saudis feel this threat more than anyone. The Saudis have been strangling the Syrian regime (which is propped up by Iran) by commandeering the smuggling ring Assad normally uses for his own benefit. In effect, there's a low-level war going on right now with Saudi and her Gulf allies (and Hariri in Lebanon) on one side, and Iran, Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas on the other (with Turkey potentially joining in).
Bodkin
April 19th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
"Both countries are longtime targets of America’s ire, and it’s only a matter of time before the Obama Doctrine is invoked to strike Damascus and Tehran"
Maybe, maybe not. The more time passes, the weaker America gets financially, and the closer Iran gets to inheriting Iraq's resources. The rising price of oil is strengthening Iran as well. It might be wiser to let the conflict between Saudi and Iran run its course without intervening, unless the price of oil skyrockets and causes catastrophe.
sherban
April 19th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
Raimondo said:"After all, if we have a “responsibility to protect” Libyan protesters from Gadhafi’s wrath, then what about those Iranian protesters who are being cut down in the streets – or the Syrians who are bravely rising up against their despot? Both countries are longtime targets of America’s ire, and it’s only a matter of time before the Obama Doctrine is invoked to strike Damascus and Tehran. ".
This time Raimondo is wrong.Every "dictator" from every Arab country knows that his actions are watched by the policeman of the planet and as such no one will do excesses against his people.This was seen in Egypt,Tunisia.There is only one country which their leaders may declare "we are going crazy" when they are going to punish whole population in Lebanon or Gaza in such a way that the "deterrence" (terror) on remained alive will hold a while.And after the killed are numbered they claim that was unintentionally.Now Raimondo thinks that America ,if she intervened in Libya should do the same in Iran and Syria.But Americans already do it in Iran where sabotages,sanctions,viruses,threatens,support of MEK .The rebels in Syria are prodding by US.Instead to claim that the logic of interventions should be cut Raimondo demands consistency and to do exactly the same in Iran and Syria.
mickperry
April 20th, 2011 at 12:14 am
Sounding eerily reminiscent of Paul Wolfowitz back in 2003, Donald Trump today advocates seizing oil fields and delusively predicts that 'Iraq oil will make us a fortune.' http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/133391/20110412/d…
“We go into Iraq. We have spent thus far, $1.5 trillion. We could have rebuilt half of the United States. $1.5 trillion. And we’re going to then leave. So, in the old days, you know when you had a war, to the victor belong the spoils. You go in. You win the war and you take it.” Time to stop worrying so much about Obama then, and instead to be more alarmed by the Trump doctrine, lest it catches on.
Bodkin
April 20th, 2011 at 12:38 am
Trump's right to say that America deserves to profit from Iraq's oil wealth, considering the sacrifices made. America is in a dire financial situation, and it should make temporary use of this resource to help pay down its debt, while also sharing the wealth with the Iraqi people. In time, when it's in a healthier financial position, America should leave Iraq completely.
Trump is also correct to remind people that Iran will inherit Iraq's oil wealth when America departs Iraq for good. That must not be allowed to happen. America must not have made such sacrifices only to harm itself and strengthen the mullahs.
GradyWilson
April 20th, 2011 at 3:14 am
Good column but I think Justin does not see the forest through the trees. Democrats are not waging imperial war because of humanitarianism any more than Repubs waged war because of threats of WMD's – those are simply excuses to sell the intervention. Both parties work for their capitalist masters who are now free to spend unlimited amounts in future elections. This obviously has nothing to do with "a zeal to stamp out racism, sexism, homophobia," as Raimondo deceitfully states – its all about capitalist plunder. Again, libertarians exist apparently to deceitfully distract from this reality.
And take a minute to visit some liberal web sites and you will find scathing commentary about Obama's subservience to the war machine. But again, Justin's MO seems to deceive rather than to enlighten. And I would most definitely take Breitbart's criticism with a great big grain of salt.
Ira7Epstein
April 20th, 2011 at 3:24 am
No one ever accused the elites running the US and British governments of being economically literate. People act on what they believe is true. People use to beleive that "bleeding" and applying leaches to sick people will heip those persons recover. It was not true, but they still acted on the belief as if it was true. You are correct. The elites of the Americans and British government probably could have gained oil concessions in Iraq more cheaply by striking some sort of bargain with Saddam, but they believed taking those oil concessions through war would be more to thier advantage. The fact that the elites were wrong in thier beliefs about a war for oil being profitable in Iraq (or Libya for that matter) does not change the fact that one of the motives for the war in Iraq (or Libya) was and is oil.
Wootie Berster
April 20th, 2011 at 4:10 am
"No one will do excesses against his people"??? Clearly you are not following the news on Al Jizeera. Plenty of bloodshed over there, mate. Lots of raping and torturing as well.
geo1671
April 20th, 2011 at 4:48 am
Berster—I got bad news for you about All Jezebra–it was bought out recently and no diff in reporting as Fox News does–slanted bogus fairytales. Both top dogs in Al Jizeera are Jewish. By the way,ever wondered what two Arab countries are involved in bombing Lbya? One of them,Al Jezebra's is it's base country :^(
Bob D
April 20th, 2011 at 5:15 am
I think you missed Sherban's point if I could speak for him. Allies of the US can do all the excesses they want as Israel does and only get lukewarm "balanced" verbage. And it goes way back. The palestinian people in "greater" Israel are every bit a part of Netanyahu's people as the Kurds were of Sadam Hussein's. And the Kurds have historically been worse troublemakers beyond Iraq than the Palestinians. Yet how differently their group punishment and massacre by their all-powerful ruler is treated by the US.
RichieP
April 20th, 2011 at 5:20 am
The official codename for the Iraq invasion: "Operation Iraqi Liberation", aka OIL
Bob D
April 20th, 2011 at 5:27 am
Trump claims to be anti-war. And he is against going into all our wars including Iraq. He only points out that we shouldn't go to war, win the war, then lose economically. A good point. He is especially against "humanitarian" wars.
While I don't believe Trump is truly antiwar any more than Obama claimed to be when he was running for president, you completely misrepresent his position by taking his comment out of context. Are you an ex-neocon? Maybe we can call you a palieo-neocon. You certainly have the obfiscation skill down pat.
Andrewp111
April 20th, 2011 at 6:03 am
There are an awful lot of Americans who will agree with Trump that we should simply conquer the Mideast oilfields outright, and presumably, we should simply expel the natives from the land and take all the oil for ourselves. Why do all this humanitarian pretense when you have the largest military and one of the largest nuclear arsenals in the world. Just take what we want and screw everyone else. Trump could get elected as an independent advocating this position.
Andrewp111
April 20th, 2011 at 6:08 am
Trump's doctrine makes more sense. Get rid of all this pretense about nation building, humanitarianism, allies, etc.. and simply conquer what we want outright. Taking only the oil is easier and cheaper than stabilizing these countries. We only need to occupy the oil regions (and the path to the sea), and completely expel all the natives from the conquered portions to prevent insurgency. If the former owners of the oil get too uppity, just nuke them and continue pumping the oil.
RichieP
April 20th, 2011 at 6:09 am
@Andrewp111:
What? Like you 'conquered' Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam. Do you really think you did that? What a joke.
Sam
April 20th, 2011 at 6:14 am
Most civil wars in Africa (Angola, Congo, Soudan etc…) with millions of victims are instigated by these same greedy dark forces. Google Francafrique to learn more of their machinations.
John_Muhammad
April 20th, 2011 at 6:19 am
Why not just call a spade a spade and admit when we're involved in wars of conquest? In the case of Libya, it's the oil reserves we're after, so why not just go in full-bore with guns blazing- take the oil fields and refineries, take the port facilities, and to hell with the rest of the country. We're the biggest kid on the block, let's take what we want and quit pussy-footing around. If the French and British and whoever want a share, they can deal with us or not, but in the end those oil reserves are ours bought and paid for by our troops.
One can insert Iraq in the place of Libya and the same applies. We want it, we take it, it's ours.
/end dark sarcasm
Nobody is being fooled by the 'humanitarian' excuses for our interventions in the Middle East or anywhere else in the world. If we're there, it's because that nation or region has something we want. If we're not there, you be be pretty sure that nation or region is economically useless to us.
Thomas L. Knapp
April 20th, 2011 at 6:23 am
That's like saying that a bank robber who guns down four tellers should get to keep the money because he smashed a finger in the door on the way out.
Michael Kenny
April 20th, 2011 at 7:14 am
Well at least the message is starting to get through that Libya is a European thing and really has nothing to do with the US! However, the idea that it is Europe's "war fo oil" is wrong. Gadaffi was already happily supplying Europe with all the oil it wanted and there was no sign of him backing off from such an easily accessible market. Attacking Libya has hurt in fact Europe's oil supplies, particularly in France where the rising price of petrol is starting to cause a political controversy. The Ofgem report is calling for the abandonment of privatisation and deregulation and a return to Europe's traditional statist system ("Staying with the current market model … ‘not an option’", " five suggestions, which all involve moving away from privatized energy markets towards a system giving the government greater control.” ).
freshnotbitter
April 20th, 2011 at 8:44 am
Mark, note how when suddenly the case for oil could be made, in Libya with its huge territory and few people who reside mainly along the coast, we suddenly hear that we should not be there because it will be like Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam. We should get out of Libya and run into the remote mountain passes of Afghanistan and fight religious fanatics who could not point out the USA on a map of the world if you gave them a week.
The oil and gas from Libya will flow to Europe regardless of what political system they have (as will the immigrants) and for some reason we are told over and over again that we have not interests there, that our interests lie somewhere in a remote desolate mountain pass in Afghanistan.
Sorry, I'm just not that stupid. The fact is that Justin's opposition to the case for intervention in LIbya is not helping the general case for non-intervention but rather the case for intervention in Afghanistan and Iraq. Heck, the next meeting of the CFR might as well be in Justin's digs over a glass of Pinot as they plan the hate bombing of Iran. Easy jobs? That's not for us. Endless strife and hatred between civilizations? That's just the ticket.
freshnotbitter
April 20th, 2011 at 8:51 am
So Justin I thought I would let you know the latest mass media trick. I thought Huffpo's censoring was bad but the daily beast has refined its tactics. I replied to two idiotic comments there regarding Libya and sure enough they published my replies. But they deleted the comment I was replying to !!!
So there I am with comments which are incomprehensible, the grin without the cat, if you will.
What are people so afraid of? The world will not come to an end if people know the truth.
emsnews
April 20th, 2011 at 9:07 am
What is pathetic here is how easily Raimondo is fooled by his fellow rightwingers.
Breitbart was for the Bush oil war but is now against the Obama oil war? HAHAHA. How obvious is this? I wish Raimondo would grow up some day and stop this silliness.
RockyRococo
April 20th, 2011 at 9:29 am
Trump's now also called for seizing control of the Libyan oil fields. Of course, since it's being done for "free-market" profit, it will be well-received throughout the "antiwar" libertarian community.
Bodkin
April 20th, 2011 at 9:42 am
You'd be happy with that analogy because you believe that all states are criminal enterprises to begin with. What complicates matters (and what doesn't fit into your wildly oversimplified analogy) is that some of the Iraqis themselves (i.e. the "tellers") wanted Saddam toppled; that ordinary soldiers didn't throw their lives away thinking they were acting like villainous "bank robbers"; that my scenario involves the "bank robber" sharing the wealth with the "tellers" (how often does THAT happen?); and that America is a multi-faceted entity, consisting of many people who opposed the war yet who stand to suffer as much as their fellow Americans who supported it and waged it (i.e. the "bank robber").
You've reduced two complex nations into one-dimensional actors with over-simplified motivations. But play all the reductive intellectual games you want. The reality is that Trump is right about how a drowning America can help rescue itself.
Bob D
April 20th, 2011 at 10:16 am
Andrew, you are putting too fine of a point on what Trump said. Read the question and the whole quote. He is just pointing out that if we are really setting things right, we should not be the big LOSER. He is a negotiator. That is his strength. And all of these involvments cost more money in military spending if we invade than the oil benefits we might reap indirectly from Exxon's profits. MickPerry is right there.
Jamal
April 20th, 2011 at 10:31 am
It is a disgrace to the wording democracy what these people are doing and have done, these people are not democrats nor a liberals in any way, democracy and liberalism for them is where and when they can profit from, where and when they can keep their war machinery working, democracy for them is when and where they betray their people. But they are following a doctrines setup by the US/NATO to continue these war chancing they might win it all, they are following a doctrine that is based on a neo-fascism started in 1990s by Bill Clinton administration and his long militarism regime – arm NATO to divide the people in Yugoslavia, from Swedish social democrats to Tony Blair so as French and Germany were involved in that war, they did the same thing in Iraq, doing it in Afghanistan and their war crime record just piling up, it is time for a true and a meaning full and a functioning democracy to replace these policies based on idiocy, here I am not talking about Labor party or the social democrats but rather a higher respect for democracy and for peoples life, the socialism. People.., these elements are involved in bringing the world closer to its 3rd world war within few years.., that is if they are not stopped here and now, these are the regimes of war mongera and stupidity, they dont deserve any help form the people because their policies is not for the people.
RickR30
April 20th, 2011 at 10:48 am
At the transnational mega corporate level at governments, nationalities don't matter. To the US government, BP isn't British, it's just another generous flagless lobbying group. Notice also the involvement of the Chinese. After all, when British oil companies or any other one make lots of money, plenty of other companies make money as well, middlemen, speculators, transport companies, etc. I'm also not convinced that this was all for oil but it sure is a nice benefit for Big Oil and the rest of the vultures.
RickR30
April 20th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Ah, yes, liberal peace and love turned global. Next time someone in Timbuctoo beats his wife we'll retaliate with all our "smart" bombs and dumb operators. Never mind the daily genocide in African coutries, the Palestinian Holocaust, repression in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, etc. And of course don't even mention the torture perpetrated by our boys and girls, Gitmo, "extralegal" abuses, our soldiers playing real life Call Of Duty by killing innocent women and children and wedding parties. That's nothing. But watch out if Ghaddafi shoots at a revolt in his own country. Not doubt the story of massacring his own people is just a fabrication to appeal to the gentle souls among Americans. Just as the Republican lies of security are meant to appeal to all the wanna-be though-guys and gals. This is the ultimate neocon victory. Now who can oppose war? Our own peace nobel price winning magic mulatto says war is cool. There's a story to justify war to everyone. You wouldn't be against securing our country? If you don't care about that, you wouldn't be against stopping a massacre of the innocent by a madman (no, not Obama)?
mickperry
April 20th, 2011 at 11:57 am
I don't believe that there are any winners in this Bob. We destroyed a civilisation and replaced it with a barbarisation. Then we retreated to the Green Zone and shielded ourselves from the surrounding carnage taking place in the alleyways of the new Baghdad that the walls we built there created. That's why some troops coming home are breaking down, because they've seen the evil of war and know the truth, unlike the pundit haircuts at home, who they now have to live amongst. I'm sorry that nobody has picked up on my point that Trump is just like Wolfowitz in 2003, because it is exactly the same appeal so far as I can see. Different times but same old lines, and scary as hell. All of his policies, many of which contain kernels of reason, need to be viewed in the light of his approach to readily waging war upon others, as should also have been the case with the way Wolfowitz was viewed in 2003. Meanwhile, I'm left wondering how I can agree with both Bodkin and Thomas L Knapp, but the fact is that aren't they both right? It just needs to be determined which particular 'Americans' you happen to be talking about. There are surely some who need to be prosecuted for war crimes. In addition to the obvious one, namely those who waged the war of aggression, Justin's piece also points to the crime of treason, if we are to believe that the battle against communism still rages. The US divied out a huge chunk of Iraq's oil to China? This isnt Wal Mart plastic we are talking about here, but the very stuff that makes Wal Mart plastic possible, Black Gold itself, and the last time I looked, all these cars around me were also still running on the stuff too. Is it not therefore a question of it's 'ownership' being also a matter of a nations 'national security' interests? Were the Chinese a part of the coalition that went into Iraq?
Come to think of it there might be some winners here after all.
Sam
April 20th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
You have not understood Irak, Afghanistan and Libya. You will be gunned down stupid. The people over there know how defend themselves even against the mighty greedy Uncle Sam. .
GradyWilson
April 20th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
It is amazing – a Nobel Peace Prize winning 'liberal' who embraces, escalates, and codifies the worst aspects of the Bush/Cheney regime. He has gone crazy with drones, supports assassinating anyone anywhere by his decree, supports enemy combatant military tribunals, the patriot act, the military commissions act, starts a new war by fiat, bails out corrupt capitalist banks, escalates military funding, puts SS medicare and medicaid on the chopping block after extending Bush's unpaid for tax cuts for the rich. We of course could go on and on.
I guess this a lesson to anti-war lefties who vote Dem that they must go further left rather than support Wall Street loving warmongers like Obama. I've certainly gotten the lesson.
GradyWilson
April 20th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
But is he really being fooled? Raimondo is smart enough to know that Breitbart is going to support a warmongering Republican rather than a Ron Paul in the next Presidential Election so that begs the question what exactly are his priorities; Antiwar activist or Republican activist? His petulant partisan attacks against msnbc, ed shultz, rachel maddow, etc make it appear the latter despite his powerful writings against imperialism and war, his eloquent support of Assange and Manning, etc.
Joseph Zrnchik
April 20th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
The media is showing a picture of an injured child, yet this is only 1/100,000th of the death cause by Bush’s “Shock and Awe” campaign in Iraq. The media never showed pictures of the limbless children from Bush’s war of choice. Does the media think Americans are that stupid and irrational that they can now get us to fight a war over what Bush did 100,000 times over?
The rebels are a force of 1,500. Many are al Qaeda. They are not wearing uniforms and are placing civilians at risk by hiding behind civilians. This is an international war crime as is hiding behind civilians and in population centers. Why won’t they move into the open and fight like an army? They are not an army, nor are they representative of the people.
They will never consolidate power without foreign occupation. The rebels represent less than .005 % of the population. The advisors ought to tell the rebels to flee. That should be their advice. War for regime change is an international war crime.
Day of Rage in Washington D.C. on 6/30/11 http://beforeitsnews.com/story/462/358/Day_of_Rag…
GradyWilson
April 20th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
"how I can agree with both Bodkin and Thomas L Knapp" – mickperry
Like a hand in a glove.
Sam
April 20th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Ground troops in Libya urgently needed.Feel free to apply, with BHL, Bill Kristol, senator Lieberman ,the AEI crew and others armchair warriors.
MoT
April 20th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Trump is in many ways a gas bag. But then you go ahead and spread the lie about antiwar libertarians giving the thumbs up for such cockeyed blathering.
MoT
April 20th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
Whenever I hear the empires "harpies", such as Rice or Clinton, droning on and on about rescuing some poor slobs on the basis of "humanitarianism" I automatically reach to protect my wallet.
MoT
April 20th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
"Does the media think Americans are that stupid and irrational that they can now get us to fight a war over what Bush did 100,000 times over?" …..
Of course they do! And it works, too. How else can anyone explain the endless repeating of lies and the mirrored actions of the almighty "O"? Why reinvent the wheel.
avatar singh
April 20th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
it is not neocons who are for perpetual war it is the english race so called British who are instigating the perpetual war of course the English are too coward and weak to fight on their own so they have arranged a charade called NATO to do their dirty work.
Decisions in nato are made not in berlin or Belgium but only in London and some british agents’ place in washington. NATO WAS CREATED TO KEEP THE INFLUNCE OF WEAKNED BRITISH BASTARDS TO KEEP EUROPEANS DOWN (ESPECIALLY GEMRNS AND FRENCH) AND KEEP RUSSIAN THREATEND. IT WAS NOT CREATED TO counter Russia; it was created to give support by americans to the British agenda of keeping the world for the e benefit of English and anglosaxon race and that only.
as for hilary then you must understand that within one year of election of willy bill Clinton the British, who did not like Clinton had already infected Clinton clan and enslaved him to their agendas- in fact British were happy when Clinton lost democratic majority ih the house in 1994 election-they wanted not Clinton but pampered him anyway to use him for british agenda for perpetual war and Kosovo attack to justify nato existence- the same nato which was created and which serves for british interest only . It so happens that many jews have found the same aim recently as the British so it appears that it is neo con agenda -nothing could be further from he truth in fact British were adamant against Lebanon war in 1982 and were threatening Israel with atomic bomb in 1948 war.please recognise the real evil hat is British and we should neutralise that evil and dismantle their evil empire.
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carl
April 20th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
If there ever was a rationale for terrorists to use nuclear weapons against US cities, you've just advocated it. And don't forget that Russia can kill every American citizen in a few hours. You seem to think the US is the only power in the world that can inflict harm — so why not use it to the hilt.
Stupid gangsters abound, apparently.
conumishu
April 20th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
He said, "The s… that used to work
It won't work now"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHDdqubE7zQ&fe…
"It has to happen to the best of us"
RockyRococo
April 20th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
Well according to Raimondo, all of us on the Left are nothing but slavish automatons of Obama and the Democratic Party elite and war-monger on command from dem party central. I was merely returning his lying BS in kind. If you don't like being hit with Raimondo's backwash, tell him to drop his insulting lies and I won't be moved to answer in kind.
Bodkin
April 20th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
Well then, instead of spewing worthless insults, perhaps you or TLK might explain why you believe all states are criminal enterprises, and what you think should replace them.
Bear in mind that if a state is criminal, so are all the voters and taxpayers. Essentially you're calling society itself criminal, which includes you too.
james
April 21st, 2011 at 1:22 am
Whoehearteadly agree with you Raashid. But I will not go and accuse all the rebel, just the self proclaimed leaders of the uprising that have already started state visits to thier masters in Europe befor the dead are buried.
I seriously believe the self proclaimed leaders started the violence to get Europe involved, most probably Europe was in on it as they wanted to guarantee more power over the oil. The other scenario is that they wanted to maintain the status quo but through others, not Qaddafy to legitimise thier cronies. Unfortunately for them things did not go as they pleased.
Will anybody tell me who ELECTED these leaders?
james
April 21st, 2011 at 1:26 am
Sorry Joseph, the media KNOWS Americans are that stupid. Where are thge demonstrations?
Also sorry to tell you thge rebels are by far the majhority in Lybia, it thier self proclaimed leaders that are the problem, read my comments above.
The day of rage will not attract many people in the USA, they will be busy watching the Cardashian bitch or American Idol.
GradyWilson
April 21st, 2011 at 2:55 am
Ya – you're right but aren't you excited, like the whole world (as the western media claims) about the royal wedding!
Your analysis is spot on – which is why you hear very little opposition to western imperialism from christianity. In fact churches tend so support the military adventures in the name of 'keeping us safe'. This is, as W accidentally let slip, a crusade indeed.
bob d
April 21st, 2011 at 5:14 am
Mick,____Nobody seems to pick up on your point because you seek only to be understood and not to understand. You talk past us . Sure you and I may not evaluate us as winners but wake up! Our opinion doesn't count. Did you miss my point about my voting record. The politicians I vote for are LOSERS and the politicians who beat them think they are WINning the war. Bush got a second term and gave Wolfowitz a metal. WAKE UP!!!!! ____ Trump is not like Wolfowiitz in some important ways. Wolfowitz got us into war and Trump is and was against it. But I said that already. And my point about negitiation was totally missed by you.____But keep it up Mick. As the Chinese and India folks quietly negotiate the purchase of all of the world's resources and you trash politicians like Trump who at least make noises like they want to negotiate FIRST rather than SPEND MONEY on making war. You will ultimately open the door for more politicians like Wolfowitz who never talk about negotiation, only what he thinks will be given to us in gratitude.____By the way, did you vote for Bush? I'm sure you did. Proud of that vote are you? You helped pay for Wolfwitz's metal of valor.
Yonatan
April 21st, 2011 at 5:48 am
Raimondo said "It is apparently left to conservatives to be the ones to point out that this is indeed a war for somebody else’s oil"
Would that be the same conservatives that opposed the Iraq war as a blatant grab of Iraq's resources – the war that would pay for itself?
Bodkin
April 21st, 2011 at 8:23 am
See, Grady? It's just a matter of time before you all come around to my way of thinking. ;-)
mickperry
April 21st, 2011 at 8:25 am
Bob thanks. Many many valid points. I am an Englishman however, of Irish heritage and without a current passport, living in Tower Hamlets, London, England, and so was unable to vote for G W Bush even if I had wanted to, which I would not have. Many thanks though, all the same, for much to think about.
mike
April 21st, 2011 at 9:12 am
None of this is surprising to me. All I could think of when I read this opinion was what about 1953 Iran and the BP connection? Finally, I thought BP was co0owned by Amoco? This all reeks of SOP.
Bob D
April 21st, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Mick,
Are you a third party voter in England? At least there with the parlimentary system, a third party vote has a little more power. And as I recall you did have a bravely outspoken politician there who stood up against Tony Blair's warmongering.
Bob D
April 21st, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Grady,
You might not hear the opposition to western imperialism from christianity but it is there.It is true that Zionists have bought the phony televangelists W follows, but they don't speak for all of us. Pope John Paul was certainly no warmonger's lackey. And even the baptists, probably the most prowar christians besides the independent evangelist like John Hagee, have antiwar libertarian Pastor Jim Baldwin. And Ron Paul is a deeply religious Baptist. And as an ELCA Lutheran, my Pastor is antiwar. But there will always be the hypocrites. Certainly if we look back at history honestly, after their initial conquests in the 8th century, the Moslems were a lot more pragmatic and tolerant than the christians have been.
Gekke
April 21st, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Court backs Cheney on energy meetings
Details on private strategy sessions to remain as such
WASHINGTON — A federal appeals court ruled yesterday that Vice President Dick Cheney will not have to release details about the role of energy executives in private meetings Cheney held to craft national energy strategies, a decision that probably brings an end to a long-running and politically charged lawsuit.
Vice President Cheney's energy task force had a busy spring in 2001. While drafting a national energy policy, the group, chaired by Cheney, met with approximately 300 groups and individuals, ranging from the American Petroleum Institute to Defenders of Wildlife.
Judicial Watch also filed a separate lawsuit under the Freedom of Information Act against non-White House participants in the task force. Several Commerce Department records it obtained showed that the task force had developed a map of Iraq's oil fields and oil companies with Iraqi drilling rights in March 2001, two years before the war.
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It was obvious the invasion of iraq for oil was planned long before 9/11.
Gekke
April 21st, 2011 at 5:26 pm
Here is the list of particpants at the spring 2001 Energy Task Force Meetings Participants…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/doc…
GradyWilson
April 21st, 2011 at 7:03 pm
"they don't speak for all of us" – Bob
I agree. There are people of every religion (and those without religion) who exemplify the best (and worst) of humanity. But make no mistake – the christian west – US, UK, France, Italy, do indeed still have a christian manifest destiny colonial view of the world. They think the world is theirs and those who disagree are terrorists deserving of death.
Jan Burton
April 21st, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Excuse me, but weren't the Europeans quite content with Ghadaffi in power?
Didn't they already have all the oil deals they wanted?
Sometimes the "war for oil" narrative strikes me as being nothing more than laziness. "Oh they have oil? That must be why we're there."
Was there oil in Bosnia, Somalia or Kosovo?
And if it's all about oil why didn't we invade Sudan when Darfur was going up in flames?
Jan Burton
April 21st, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Amazing how quick people throw Arab revolutionaries under the bus the moment they seek help from the US.
Well there's a reason why they went to the US for help, Raashid: they knew their Muslim brothers next door in Egypt would be 100% USELESS.
It's a reflecting on the pitiful state of the Muslim world when Islamic rebels would rather turn to the infidels for help.
Jan Burton
April 21st, 2011 at 8:02 pm
Does anyone here know how the oil industry works? Anyone at all????
Ghadaffi was selling us all the oil we wanted to buy! There was NO NEED to "take it." And how would we take it anyway? By taking over the fields and then shipping out oil, free of charge?
John_Muhammad
April 21st, 2011 at 8:41 pm
None of this really matterss. Israel has nucelar weapons, and will use those to blackmail the US into doing whatever it wants because Tel Aviv knows the last thing the US wants to be accused of is to be complicit in the second offensive use of nuclear weapons.
Israel blackmailed us in '73, and again in '91- with events in the ME unfolding as they are, I'd say Obama is overdue for his visit from the Mossad over the Iranian 'situation'.
Still don't believe Israel has nucelar weapons? I ran across this paper, published by the USAF, confirming Israel's possiession of nukes and their willingness to use them to further their own goals. http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/farr.ht…
Now, what does this have to do with Israel? Not much, except that for every nation wrecked and left beyond repair for the next decade, that's one less country the Israelis have to contend with in the event of another blow-up in the Middle East. You can bet their hands are all over much of the unrest, regardless of the nation in question.
mickperry
April 21st, 2011 at 10:41 pm
Yes, I am fortunate to live in the electoral ward where we succeeded in electing George Galloway back in 2005. I have almost always voted third (in our case fourth) party. I'm not in a position to compare the two country's electoral systems except at a superficial level, but they appear to be as equally rigged in favour of the powerful. The fact that the televised debates here were restricted to the Conservative, Labour, and the Liberal Democrat candidates passed almost entirely without comment last year. Excluded were the Greens and all of the smaller parties. The parameters of debate were also tightly controlled. We have a referendum going on at the moment to adjust the electoral system, and I shall be voting for it. If I lived in the US, I imagine that I would have consistently voted for Nader over the years, and finally gone on strike after the 2010 Citizens United ruling in the Supreme Court. This outrageous insult to democracy was surely yet another instance where US citizens ought to have rose up in open rebellion, or at least decided to turn their collective backs upon the entire farce. I suspect that the turn out for the 2012 Presidential elections will show in fact that many have chosen the latter course.
Bodkin
April 21st, 2011 at 11:47 pm
"regardless of the nation in question"
Utterly thoughtless blather from a lifelong sufferer of Israel Derangement Syndrome.
Only people full of hate and eager to spew the malicious lies that advance their agenda would claim that the unrest in Syria or Iran or Libya (and so on) is the fault of Israel. You have access to a world of information, yet you continue to swallow the Israel-bashing propaganda put forth by the evil despots of the very countries in question. Incredible. Are you completely resistant to the truth?
The prevalence of your profoundly wrong-headed mindset is partly to blame for the ongoing misery of many Arab and Muslim nations: you refuse to take responsibility like an adult. You simply refuse to examine the self-defeating policies and hangups in Arab societies, because you'd rather blame someone else for your own screw-ups.
I truly thank you for providing yet another classic demonstration of precisely what's ailing the thoroughly diseased societies currently imploding in a display of sadly predictable mayhem.
Ken
April 23rd, 2011 at 12:36 am
"Bear in mind that if a state is criminal, so are all the voters and taxpayers. "____Really? Taxpayers are criminals? You must think rape victims are criminals, too.
conumishu
April 23rd, 2011 at 10:30 am
It isn't only about oil but it is about oil nevertheless. Better to own it directly (well, through your friendly corporation).
Sudan was split and most of the oil belongs now to the western indebted secessionists.
Kosovo has other riches.
But you're right, it's not always about or only about oil. Lebanon, for instance, doesn't have it. Their problem (and others) is that they don't get it.