Mubarak’s Norma Desmond Moment
Mubarak the madman? -- "I'm ready for my close up, Mr. DeMille!"
The much-anticipated speech by Egypt’s president Hosni Mubarak, in
which he was widely
expected
to step down, has had the opposite of its intended effect: instead of
placating the protesters, it has enraged
them. Mubarak had only gotten halfway through his speech when the
crowd in Tahrir Square starting hooting and booing. They
held up their shoes – a gesture that our President Bush should
understand the meaning of – and the roar nearly drowned out the
speech (I was listening live on Al Jazeera). What
Mubarak has done is thrust his hand into the hornets’ nest – and now we
can expect the hornets to fly out, angry beyond measure….
Many Western commentators, falsely believing the tides of Egyptian
protest are ruled by the news cycle, expected the movement to die down.
Instead, the
protests swelled, with crowds in Cairo and across the country
achieving a heretofore unprecedented scale. Mubarak’s non-resignation
speech will further grow the protest movement: where this ends, nobody
knows, but the breakdown of Egyptian society is occurring at a rapid
pace – and this could provide a pretext for the military to come in, clamp
down, and “restore order.”
I live-blogged the Mubarak speech, which I transcribed, somewhat intermittently, but the faster I typed the more it seemed to me that this was a speech delivered by someone completely out of touch with reality. While he was going on about how many provisions of the “constitution” were going to be revised, how many committees he had set up, and how much he had sacrificed to “exhaust” himself for the good of the nation, millions were in the streets cursing the day he was born. To top it off, he said the emergency law will not be lifted until “order” is restored – and he was followed by vice president and torturer-in-chief Omar Suleiman telling people to go home.
My favorite line: “I feel your pain.”
Most significant line: “I will not leave this country until I am dead and buried in its soil.”
Most ominous line: “It will end with a situation where the youth will be the first victims.”
The fate of the nation is now in the hands of the military council, set up to secure the “transition”: if they issue a statement mollifying the people, reassuring them that Madman Mubarak is not at the helm, the crisis could be avoided. Failing this, the situation is open-ended, and increasingly dangerous. The very “orderly transition” that everyone seems to want is being up-ended. The only question now is whether this speech was a deliberate provocation, delivered as a prelude to a crackdown, or the last gasp of a doomed dictatorship.
It’s worth asking to what extent the US government – the power standing behind the dictator – was instrumental in fashioning Mubarak’s defiance. The Obama administration has been consistently calling for precisely what the regime has been calling for, which is an “orderly transition.” They have refused – rightly, in my view – to openly call for Mubarak’s ouster, but the real question is what they’ve been pushing for behind the scenes. In public, they’ve been supporting just what Mubarak announced: delegation of presidential powers to Suleiman, Washington’s reliable servitor.
In short, this administration has been tailing events, rather desperately, without making any friends either among the protesters or the Mubarak dead-enders. With CIA chieftain Leon Panetta’s testimony before Congress today [Thursday], to the effect that we should not necessarily expect Mubarak to step down, it appears that the administration was clued into their client’s stubborn defiance.
Tomorrow [Friday] is going to be a critical moment. The protesters are calling for a march on the presidential palace in Heliopolis – with some advancing on the palace even before Mubarak had finished his speech. That palace is being defended, not by the army, but by the presidential guard: this is significant, because it indicates a split in the military, with the regular army not being trusted to guard the seat of power. The guard is also ringed around the state television building, another hint of a split in the military.
All eyes are now on the army, because it’s not clear who is in control. Mubarak delegated his powers to Suleiman, the “vice president,” and he is unambiguously telling the protesters to “go home,” as he put it, and get back to work. We also have a statement from the “Supreme Military Council” to the effect that they will be in continuous session in order to take “necessary measures to protect the nation” and “support the legitimate demands of the people.”
So who’s in charge?
When you have to ask that question, you know that the days of the
regime are numbered. The military “Supreme Council” labeled their
announcement “communiqué
no. 1,” with the clear implication that there will be more to come.
Will “communiqué no. 2″ announce that Mubarak is on a plane to the
French Riviera, Suleiman is in “protective custody,” and a military
junta with a civilian face is at the helm?
What is clear is this: the protesters are becoming more assertive, moving
out of Tahrir Square, and moving toward government buildings such
as the presidential palace at Heliopolis and the state television
station. The anti-Mubarak student-led movement is forcing a showdown,
posing the question of state power pointblank, confident that the army
won’t shoot them down in the streets – and hopeful that, as the
Marxists used to say, they’ll “turn the guns around.”
The problem is that the Egyptian army is not a unitary organism. It
is divided into three basic forces: the
army, the “central
security forces,” i.e. secret
police, and the
Presidential Guard, which is tasked with defending government
buildings in Cairo and is directly responsible to Mubarak. A firefight
between army units commanded by the “Supreme Council” and Mubarak
loyalists of the Guard is a real possibility. If government buildings
in Cairo are besieged by the protesters, and the Guard opens fire as
the crowds surge forward, the fate of the revolution hangs in the
balance: will the army defend the people, or stand idly by as Mubarak’s
thugs exact their bloody revenge?
All signs point to a military takeover – in the name of “democracy,”
naturally – with the “Supreme Council” appending to itself an
appropriately civilian face, including Mohamed
ElBaradei and other elements of the traditional opposition. The
“patriotic democratic revolution” will be proclaimed in very short
order. Make no mistake, however: the military will retain control, as
it always has, well after the September “free” elections. With its longstanding ties
to the Pentagon, as the most loyal and most richly rewarded of our Arab
satraps, the Egyptian military will make sure the country stays in
America’s orbit. The Turkish example prefigures the Egyptian future –
that is, if everything goes according to plan.
Revolutions never go according to plan, however: that’s why they’re
… revolutionary. We are at what the smart alecks of the
world call a plastic moment, a strategic conjuncture, a critical
turning point. Because no one’s in charge. The Egyptian people could
rise up, as one, tomorrow, in their multi-millions, and crush Mubarak
and Mubarakism into dust, if they chose. This is the great fear that
all rulers, no matter how popular at the moment, have nightmares about,
a terror that pervades and motivates their every action while in
office: a sudden and massive uprising.
It is a fear rooted in history, and in the reality that their rule
is subject to the consent of the governed. If, as in the Soviet Union
and its satellites, the people suddenly stop obeying the government,
it’s all over for the rulers. When the army stops obeying orders, and
won’t fire on their own people, the jig is up.
Mubarak, as
I said a while back, is finished. His Norma
Desmond moment has come and gone – and it looks like he wasn’t all
that ready for his close up. The question now is what – or who – comes
after: and now is precisely the moment when we can expect the US effort
to influence events to go into overdrive. Whatever the Egyptian
military command decides, you can bet it isn’t without input from the
Pentagon, which is even now communicating with their Egyptian
counterparts. They are no doubt pushing the US line, which is, as the
State Department has made all too clear, that we’re
sticking with our man Suleiman. This is unacceptable to the crowds
in the street, however, and we’ll see how long it is before Washington
throws him overboard, too, just like they did Mubarak. And so let the
lesson of the Egyptian events go out to the rulers of Jordan, Saudi
Arabia, and the Gulf states: it doesn’t pay to be an American
servitor.
By the way, there are US troops stationed in Egypt, some 900
in the Sinai peninsula. Perhaps they’ll be given the dubious honor
of escorting Mubarak out of the country. Or perhaps the Egyptian
dictator will meet a Ceausescu-like fate,
living up to his stated intention of dying on Egyptian soil.
Listening to Al
Jazeera’s live coverage, I heard commentator after commentator –
Egyptians – all wondering if Mubarak had gone crazy. The general view
among Egyptians seems to be that the dictator is living in a fantasy
world, disconnected from what’s happening in the country, unaware that
his time is over and so is his regime. This is madness of a peculiar
sort – the kind inflicted on anyone vested with inhuman power, a kind
of curse that goes with the “job” of dictator, or, indeed, any high
office. The Greeks called it hubris – a pride
so vast and unthinking that it offended the gods themselves. To the
ancients, hubris was the worst of sins, a curse that always ended in
the destruction of the sinner.
The lesson of Egypt is one that our global elites fail to learn at their peril, for they are cursed in the same way and for the same reason: hubris is their peculiar occupational hazard, and here in the West we are far from immune. Indeed, Washington, D.C. is particularly rife with this affliction, but I fear the infection is too advanced for even the strongest antibiotic to do much good.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Up Against the FBI – May 23rd, 2013
- Antiwar.com vs. the FBI – May 21st, 2013
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013





skulzfontaine
February 10th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
"I fear the infection is too advanced for even the strongest antibiotic to do much good."
Damn straight Mr. Justin. It's the infection of arrogance. Washington has plenty of that. Some might call that "moral turpitude." I think I'd call it just business per usual for the Babylon-On-The-Potomac crowd.
Criminy, if Team Obama isn't about a day late and a dollar short…
Or maybe, six/seven trillion dollars short. I'm just saying…
Mr. Justin? How in hell did Hosni Mubarak end up with a stash 'o' cash that totals $70 billion dollars? Compliments of course, the United States taxpayer. I'm just saying…
A grateful reader
February 10th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
Well-written analysis.
MvGuy
February 10th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
I have been waiting for this moment for thirty years…. I am not planing on cheering quite yet however.. I remember when Margret Thatcher suddenly collapsed politically that is…. We got John Majors..
Mubarak however seemed a particularly loathsome creature, and if there was any doubt where his loyalties were…. his collusion with the U.S. and IsReal on the cornering and partial extermination of Hamas in Gaza should have left no doubt about his loyalty. It is too soon to cheer on any account and the 300 dead underline how much blood it takes to dislodge any tyrantcy….. In reality, the longer this morality play plays, the more radicalized the Umah * will become. Al Jezera has changed the game…. The white man's big brother is being usurped, at least in the Middle East and Muslim lands. It will be a great deal harder selling their snake oil of their ersatz freedom agenda when this episode has played itself out…. It's a lose lose set of circumstances….. Be damned if they do [support the SOB] Be damned if they don't….. Empire's current foreign supported tyrants start to eye the exits, the Mulahs….. Anyone who can assure that an Egypt doesn't happen to them…!! Think how many Egypts and Tunisias there are between Morocco and Mongolia…..!!
MvGuy
February 10th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
Several thousand Dollars of that money was ripped off from me and sent to that SOB……………
A grateful reader
February 10th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
It will be a great deal harder selling their snake oil of their ersatz freedom agenda
Please explain.
Bodkin
February 10th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
"…so let the lesson of the Egyptian events go out to the rulers of Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf states: it doesn’t pay to be an American servitor."
They already got the memo. That's why the Saudi king spit in Obama's face on the phone, threatening to replace American aid to Egypt with aid of their own. In fact, things appear to be so acrimonious between the two heads of state that the king is now turning towards Tehran, according to the latest reports. Try to keep up.
"The general view among Egyptians seems to be that the dictator is living in a fantasy world, disconnected… unaware…"
No, the greedy old despot knows exactly what he's doing. YOU'RE the one with the fantasy, pretending that the rioters in Cairo represent ALL Egyptians. It's a vast country, but you like so many bloviators have decided that the people in the street speak for absolutely everyone.
Truthteller
February 10th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
Great column.
Also proper skepticism about ElBaradei who may be genuine OR may be the Empire's last resort in putting down the Egyptian revolution.
And that old slogan which Justin recalls "Turn the Guns Around," is always sound advice for an army called on to slaughter innocents whether in Vietnam or Iraq or AfPak or Cairo or — Washington?
Bodkin
February 10th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
"ElBaradei who may be genuine OR may be the Empire's last resort"
He's neither. He's likely a pawn of fundamentalist crazies from within and without who have an agenda of their own which has nothing to do with bringing freedom and human rights to the Egyptian people.
bogi666
February 11th, 2011 at 2:15 am
Forced contributions, withholding taxes. Let's look these forced contributions and how they provide the bonus money for the Wall St. criminals. USG/MIC, Mafia Industrial Complex, borrows $trillions, doles it out to the INTERNATIONAL CORPORATOCRACY WEALTHY PREDATORY WELFARE KINGS which then props up the WELFARE KINGS, many of which pay no taxes, with attendant graft and corruption. The Pentagon protection racket of; fund US, the Pentagon, for protection or else! How'd that work out on 9/11/01. The WELFARE KINGS have stock issues which stock market prices Wall St. can manipulate and do. The Wall St. Wash., D.C. axis of evil allows the Wall St. criminals steal, commits fraud and bribe whomsoever necessary in the USG/MIC. Remember this is all the result of borrowed money, with tax taxpayers paying the borrowed money back plus interest. Wall St.bankster then, with hubris,claim bogus profits to reward themselves with huge bonuses, all the result of OPM, other persons money, the taxpayers. Finally, we get to Mubarak who receives OPM borrowed money,paid back with withholding taxes, YOUR WITHHOLDING TAXES. As for Mubarak being an SOB what about the assholes who give him your WITHHOLDING TAXES.
Montaigne
February 11th, 2011 at 2:27 am
"Bringing freedom and human rights to the Egyptian people" . Hm what good is that for Americans, when they turn into submissive conformists, tolerant to their own country's lack of respect and honour, engulfing in spin, and accepting any fake statements, or staged events, from their leaders, in spite of having those valuable traits in their own society?
So the next step for liberated Egyptians would be to sever ties to that great destroyer of the meaning of those values.
Cecil Rhodes
February 11th, 2011 at 3:05 am
What a fantastic scenario as completely orchestrated, both Murbarark and the opposition funded, another predicted and planned color revolution only this one fueled, fired and fine tuned toward revolution. And what is revolution but a spin, a turn around a circle to come back to the same point.
In this case, the scripted events are setup to encourage chaos, lack of order, and discredit the USA in order to bring the hegelian solution, a global coup, with the obvious result, global imperial governance, imperial citizenship, a resurrection of the global hegemony of the Crown, exactly as Milner;s Round Table fashioned, scripted and delivered for the global slaves to accept and demand, while not an individual independent thought occurred. Congratulations to the nights of the Round Table!
GradyWilson
February 11th, 2011 at 4:27 am
Hosni's speech was not intended to placate – it was intended to incite to justify the use of force to send a message to the masses (like Kent State or the 68 Dem Convention). And while Raimondo has been penning some great columns on the Egyptian Revolution its important to keep a perspective here – libertarians hate democracy just as much as the Mubarak regime.
mickperry
February 11th, 2011 at 4:52 am
Just in case MvGuy doesn't make it back to the forum, allow me to try and explain. What remains of democracy in the US is continuing to erode under Obama's watch. Daniel Ellsberg provides the details in this Real News segment. http://www.therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=co…
So far as promoting democracy abroad goes, we are all aware that in the only free elections held in what remains of Palestine, the US chose to disregard the result because it did not approve of it. We also understand the nature of the democracy that the US has installed in Iraq, and no further comment is necessary. In Iran, the pro democracy movement repeatedly warns us that each time the US government ratchets up the tension within that country, the regime tightens its repression of its people; in other words it acts against the interests of democracy, choosing instead to act in the interests of Israel. The US freedom agenda is a huge lie, as is its global war on terror.
abiman
February 11th, 2011 at 6:22 am
We were expecting you also to resign yesterday. Dont wait for Saudia Arab to collapse.It will.
abiman
February 11th, 2011 at 6:26 am
Mubarak is hiding his money somewhere in Europe. The bankers are part of this evil scheme that forces grinding poverty ,death of dreams,forced servitude on the part of the millions. Its not this Mubarak or that .thye will wiat for the creation of another by thier ultimate manipulators. and beneficiaries.
Sam
February 11th, 2011 at 6:34 am
For Hosni the game is over. The egyptian people is intelligent and civilized enough to create a new constitution and a sound secular democracy.The US and the west should stop underestimating people abroad.
bozh
February 11th, 2011 at 6:51 am
i expected a military 'solution' from day one. the only 'solution' we ever had since at the latest 8 kyrs ago.
in short, only power rules. or to be more accurate, it is well-paid generals wielding tanks, jets, warships in order to keep a minority in power.
the minorities, which rule most 'democracies', appear fiercely supremacistic and had always to date used military might to crush ruthlessly any cry for justice-truth-say in what goes on.
let's face it, most 'democracies' r best fascist governances one cld invent.
and fascists r not leaving town nor giving up its fascism no matter who protests their grip on power.
as i have said, if a govt is not governed by people, but by a bunch of people addicted to life of privilege, influence, power, or personal supremacism, we cannot expect any change for better.
at this stage of panhuman development, people need leadership and a simple agenda.
generally, it is a political party which can provide not only necessary leadership, but also spokespeople for the people as a whole.
in u.s., we have one political party. it rules on behalf of a minority of people. a large minority, mind u, but, nevertheless, rules more for upper classes than lower.
as long as the lower classes remain unrepresented in congress-w.h.-judiciary-army-cia-fbi, lower classes will be abused, sent to kill 'aliens', etc. tnx
musings
February 11th, 2011 at 6:56 am
Okay – we're on this side of the Atlantic. We share no common border with Egypt, but Israel does. Although we have been arming Egypt for a long time, and that goes back to the Cold War, nevertheless Israel must be having some say in Washington, making some suggestions about how our foreign policy towards Egypt should go. I would imagine that if anything, there is hot and furious "cable" traffic between us and the Jewish state as well as between us and Egypt. If the Israeli government is making the wrong calls and we are going along with them, it will be the US Democrats who will pay the price. But you knew that Justin.
Bob D
February 11th, 2011 at 7:02 am
As loathsome as Mubarak is, Sulieman is scarier. And Sulieman still has to steal his 70 billion over the next 30 years.
Bob D
February 11th, 2011 at 7:09 am
You both have it wrong. Had either of you listened to ElBaradei before last month, you would have realized he is the commensorate politician who will say what his people want to hear but will stay friends with Israel (and therefore the US) whether his people like it or not. Like here in america, the true Egypt who seeks a leader interested his own country will have no option
Truther
February 11th, 2011 at 7:19 am
Great column.
ElBaradei was permitted an op-ed today in the NYT which makes me more suspicious of him.
But we shall see.
He certainly has a good image in the West.
BrittCombs
February 11th, 2011 at 7:44 am
Justin, you're brilliant, but I believe you misunderstood Mubarak's intentions. AP reported yesterday afternoon that they got the tip that Mubarak would resign from CIA; then Egyptian "authorities" are promising the protesters that all their dreams would come true, — get it? It was an attempt (successful) by the Mubarak faction (the forces of government) to whip the people into a state of anticipatory ecstasy; then, when all eyes are upon them, Mubarak makes his hell no, I won't go speech — he was trying to start a riot, trying to entice the people top storm the palace, giving him and Saruman — I mean Suleiman — the excuse to shoot them all or napalm them or whatever.
It was a very very very crafty piece of statecraft, the artistry of government at work. I bet you anything one of "our" guys thought of it.
Generalissimo X
February 11th, 2011 at 8:49 am
after that travesty of a speech all you can think is "now what'? mubarek to suleiman..meet the new boss, same as the old boss! to the people of the egypt its time to storm the bastille folks.
frankly i'm glad we have the 2nd amendment in this country. peaceful protest is great and all, but when a thug like mubarek and his cronies tell you to go home what are you supposed to do? the most successful and long last revolutions were the u.s. and french..sad to say both were violent and bloody but in both cases there was very little choice. just sayin is all…
as for mubarek's insanity…very possible. obviously totally disconnected from reality. i kept thinking of the woody allen movie "bananas" where as the new leader of san marcos he declares the official language to be swedish and that all persons will where their underwear on the outside of their pants.
Justin Raimondo
February 11th, 2011 at 9:29 am
Thank you, Glenn Beck. How about inviting me on your show?
John_Mustafa
February 11th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Okay, so now Mubarak has stood down and handed power over to the Army- where does that leave Suleiman? I hope the Army shows him the door as well, and helps facilitate regular elections in the near future. May Allah(swt) bless the protesters and the peacemakers.
Jeff Albertson
February 11th, 2011 at 10:00 am
I'm watching AlJazeera live about an hour since Mubarak's announcement – the crowds are going nuts. Congratulations to the Egyptians and may Amon-Ra grant that their revolution is not turned on it's head like so many others. Now comes the difficult part of freedom.
Anna
February 11th, 2011 at 11:10 am
Am I the only one where "not buying it"? I lived and loved the Fall of the Berlin Wall. I am not moved by this, but wary. Not worried about "Islamists" but another round of thug Socialist ranting "leaders"…
Terrance&Philip
February 11th, 2011 at 11:27 am
If in doubt there's always the Muslim-fundamentalist-boogeyman strategy to pull out.
I'm no lover of Islam, but if we hadn't subordinated US interests to Israel's for so many decades now, one of the most egregious mistakes any country in history has EVER made, we wouldn't be in our current mess.
emsnews
February 11th, 2011 at 11:39 am
We can't export democracy because we offshored this a few years ago. It has to first be produced here before we can sell it overseas! :)
emsnews
February 11th, 2011 at 11:42 am
Mostly Switzerland and the government there said they would not give it to him if there is a new Egyptian government.
emsnews
February 11th, 2011 at 11:46 am
People want socialism because they want to be alive. Not dead. Socialism leads to wealth moving downwards, not upwards. The gap between the rich and poor in Egypt is immense. The top 1% owns 30% of the wealth…hey! That is true, here, too!
robertB
February 11th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
"In this world, it is often dangerous to be an enemy of the United States," said Henry Kissinger, "but to be a friend is fatal." …
And why haven't we heard a peep for 30 years that Mubarak is a 'monster'? A few crowds in the street, and all the 'friends' turn very soft, very fast.
RobertB
February 11th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
How's it working in North Korea, and Cuba, and Venezuela, and Zimbabwe, and and and
jeff_davis
February 11th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
In general, I would say, don't start celebrating just yet. Mubarak has tried ploy after ploy in an attempt to shut down this revolution: "I'll quit, but not till September" ("So you can all go home."); "Yes, you're right, we need change, so I'm firing (some/all of) my cabinet("So you can all go home."); "Yes we need change, so I'm appointing my first ever Vice President, Mr. Sulieman (and he'll front for me, while I pull the strings from behind the curtain")("So you can all go home."); "Okay, I'm leaving (Cairo, not Egypt or the presidency, though)"("So you can all go home."). It's obvious that neither Mubarak nor any of the interested parties — Kleptocrats, Pols, Generals, US Empire flacks, or the Israelis — is throwing in the towel. No way.
So folks should stay frosty and focused until the fat lady sings, ie until the old government is gone (better yet, in the dock), and the new — genuinely democratic — government is in place, the army cooperative, and the process of rewriting the constitution underway.
It ain't over yet, not by a long shot.
GradyWilson
February 11th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Only one of those countries can be considered socialist – Venezuela. The others are obviously authoritarian states in which the people have no power. In Venezuela the people have chosen, through many elections, socialism over capitalism which is their right isn't it? Isn't that what democratic self determination is all about – the people deciding their own fate?
GradyWilson
February 11th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Great points. Just think if Americans took to the streets like the Egyptians just did. It wouldn't be pretty.
"Pentagon Exam Calls Protests 'Low-Level Terrorism" http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526972,00.htm…
"Violence has in fact been used toward peaceful protesters on many occasions in the United States. Modern tactics now include tear gas, stun grenades, bean bag guns, dogs, sound and water cannons, and good-old-fashioned random beatings" http://www.activistpost.com/2011/02/obamas-6-hypo…
Sam
February 11th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
In your last column "let the world go to hell ". Me think you were not serious, because the events in far Egypt seem to touch you really
MvGuy
February 11th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
Thank You mickperry for standing in for me…. Yes YOU DO get it mick… the democracy America brings to it's dependents all a show like "professional" wrestling……with the winners know long before the voting begins…….Or both candidates are bought an paid 4…And the winners are always Lockheed Martin, Halburton, BlackWater/Xe, Bechtel, Raytheon, Boeing….. The bribe specialists, with an army of lobbyists.
It's American bought an Paid for candidates, produced by lobbyists….
MvGuy
February 11th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
Geevs Bodkin…… WTF.. I read your LAST post ["...so let the lesson of the Egyptian events go out to the rulers of Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf states: it doesn’t pay to be an American servitor."]
I found it somewhat level headed and did NOT pile on with any negative thumbs….. But this latest ……. "He's neither. He's likely a pawn of fundamentalist crazies from within and without who have an agenda of their own which has nothing to do with bringing freedom and human rights to the Egyptian people. " WTF…???? And just who would the fundamentalist crazies be..?? Is it those American settlers who are causing all the trouble, violence in the West bank? Yeah another thumbs down for your sorry commentary……… No. 9 O.K.
Dan
February 11th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
"Whose in charge?" Right now nobody or just millions of people united in pride and joy and fellowship, love really, maybe God is in charge in this spontaneous peaceful order and insane love of freedom that allowed ordinary people from all walks of life to risk everything for freedom. Their understanding of freedom is quite sufficient unto the day.
I can't think of any precedent for this astonishing and heroic event but Yeats' Easter 1916 comes to mind, "a terrible new beauty is born" I recall someone like Coulter once snarked that "the Arab street is Geoge Bush's bitch."
The Arab Street is way ahead of the American mall.
Bodkin
February 11th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
On many other sites, it's folks like YOU who would be getting the thumbs down, and in spades. Around here, if I DON'T get lots of thumbs down, I know I'm doing something wrong.
I'm still hoping for -100 one of these days, but the readership just isn't there. Pity.
Bodkin
February 11th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
Oops! I neglected to answer your asinine question: "And just who would the fundamentalist crazies be..?? "
From within: The Muslim Brotherhood, who have fooled folks like you into thinking they're moderates. They take cover behind milquetoast pawns like ElBaradei.
From without: The Mullahs of Iran, who seek an anti-West, anti-Israel partnership with an Egypt ruled by like-minded fundamentalists, the Sunni-Shia rivalry notwithstanding.
P.S. A big thumbs-up tally isn't necessarily a sign of worthy commentary. It's more likely a sign of like-minded people patting each other on the back… i.e. groupthink. Nothing to be proud of, "guy".
BINSAFI
February 11th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
The Far3oon/Pharoah of Egypt has FALLEN, thus Heralding the Dawn of a NEW Day!
The FACT that these Ancient Egyptians, who "Once Upon A Time" Supposedly Spent 40 YEARS building a Pyramid -just to Bury an Insignificant Far3oon/Pharoah, couldn't Take it No Longer is Significant!!
It took only 30 Years of Mubarak, to undo nearly 7,000 Years of History!!!
This is Bigger than Mubarak & Egypt!!!!
Tahrir / Liberation Square, is where OUR Kindness WILL NO Longer be Mistaken for Weakness……
More Power to the People of Egypt & the World.
Peace, Love & Respect.
Justin Raimondo
February 11th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
In Egypt, 40 percent of the economy is directly owned by the State — and administered by the military. Tunisia was a self-proclaimed socialist state, as is Algeria which is already experiencing demonstrations inspired by the Tunisian and Egyptian examples. All of these countries have tried socialism, and the result was an entrenched one-party state that doled out the cash and the business opportunities to those with political pull. And please don't tell me "this wasn't really socialism." It was, and the people hate it.
Justin Raimondo
February 11th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Cuba isn't socialist? Of course it is. It just isn't a democracy. No one can deny, however, that the means of production are owned entirely by the State. That's socialism, pal.
In Venezuela, your hero Chavez is closing down opposition television stations. Now that's not very nice ….
jackbootstate
February 12th, 2011 at 1:13 am
Back during the early days of the Egyptian uprising I made it a point to look up the Wikipedia entry for the guy running the armed forces of Egypt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Hussein_Tant…
Now this is the guy who is the head of state. Not what the demonstrators had in mind, so they have their work cut out for them. This is hardly surprising. The coming six months or so are going to be crucial for Egypt's future, as the old guard tries to find a way to dig in and keep the ship headed in roughly the same direction as prior to the uprising. This is going to be an interesting year in politics in Egypt. We can only hope that events could move in a similar direction in hear in the U.S. We could use an uprising like the ones we've seen in Tunisia and Egypt. Let the dominoes keep falling.
emsnews
February 12th, 2011 at 6:17 am
The fact remains, many of these countries are kleptocracies as is the US. That is, the elites steal all the state asset values and run interlocking monopolies and cartels designed to loot the finances of the population. Both communist and capitalist kleptocratic systems do this!
Fixing this is difficult but the libertarian code of honor which is, 'Let them do whatever' simply makes this much worse, not better! See?
As for socialism: if you quiz the people demonstrating in all of these Arab countries, what they want the most, I bet the majority, by far, want more socialism so they can survive. They are hungry and angry about this.
emsnews
February 12th, 2011 at 6:20 am
They also shoot guns at us. And dropped poisons from helicopters (Berkeley and Tucson, AZ, of all places!) I witnessed and was attacked in both instances. I thought, when I left Berkeley in 1971, I would no longer have to worry about being killed while demonstrating. A false hope.
One thing that irritates me is how libertarians are not shot, gassed nor stomped into the ground like we were. Then Justin wonders why we aren't flooding the streets, demanding an end to wars all the time. Time for the libertarians to surround the Pentagon like we did in the Vietnam War era. Have the police arrest them and beat them. This is how people become 'radicalized' by the way.
300 Egyptians died for their revolution so far….
emsnews
February 12th, 2011 at 6:23 am
So much for the Zionist boast that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. Now, we pray, every nation there will become a true democracy and note how the Zionists doth howl about this prospect. :)
Bodkin
February 12th, 2011 at 8:24 am
There should only be "howling" if these countries fail to outlaw racist, intolerant parties. As long as Nazi-like parties (like Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood) are allowed to compete and get voted into positions of power, hypocrites like yourself will applaud it, but people who know better will rightly object.
The hypocrisy I refer to stems from the fact that what you would never countenance in your OWN country's democratic system you would be only too happy to support in a distant country like Egypt. My guess is you'd be tickled pink if "every nation there" voted for intolerant fundamentalists (but I repeat myself) because that serves your anti-Israel agenda, not the actual interests of the people, both there and in America. After all, how does it benefit Americans to see a proliferation in Islamist governments, especially in such a volatile region? It doesn't, but you'd gladly shoot yourself in the foot as long as it's bad for Israel, too. You and your ilk are fueled by pure spite.
jackbootstate
February 12th, 2011 at 8:26 am
Whose in charge? Who cares? Let's raise a glass to the Egyptian people on a job well done. The Arab uprising is the best news we've had in many years. Let's hope they keep it up.
GradyWilson
February 12th, 2011 at 9:38 am
Cuba is an authoritarian state in which the people are disenfranchised – it is rule over the proletariat – not rule by the proletariat – that is not socialism. Your overly simplistic definition that since the means of production are owned entirely by the state makes socialism is Jonah Goldberg like pathetic. Are you also claiming that Nazi Germany where the means of production were owned by the state was socialist?
Regardless of my or your opinion on Chavez do we both agree that the Venezuelan people have indeed fairly and honestly re-elected him many times? Isn't this what you are praising in Egypt – that the people have democracy. Don't people have the right to choose socialism?
RickR30
February 12th, 2011 at 9:56 am
Precisely. We need these revolutions in the West more than anywhere else. The corruption elsewhere is usually a result of America's meddling in someone else's affairs. The West needs a revolution to overthrow the entire political class and eliminate the economical elites that in conjuction have brought ruin to the world for centuries now.
GradyWilson
February 12th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Right on. And of course Kent State, the 68 Dem Convention, to 2004 GOP Convention in NYC, and basically every Convention now, – the authorities got scared after Seattle WTO 1999 and basically determined to never allow anything like that to happen again and are of course prepared to use lethal force.
I also notice it peculiar that libertarians – so called "enemies of the state" never physically protest the state they claim to abhore and curiously (or maybe not) the state sees no threat from libertarians – you never hear of the state penetrating or raiding Lew Rockwell or antiwar.com offices as they have left wing antiwar organizations. In fact in many of Justin's "anti-state" Tea Party rallies local gov and police eagerly helped set up the rally and provided stands, PA systems, etc.while left wing anti-war rallies are faced with state violence. Makes you wonder.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
February 12th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Sule… How is it spelled anyway? It's just another way empire tells you we fuck you. May he rot in hell like his enablers.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
February 12th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
It all started in Egypt.
Alan MacDonald
February 12th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
While the revolution of young Egyptians should be inspirational for all oppressed people, it should be most instructive for American youth.
As JFK said, "those who make non-violent revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable" — and more importantly for those facing the global corporate capitalist Empire hiding as a facade of democracy, "those who make non-violent social democracy impossible, make violent social democracy inevitable".
Several Egyptian college educated young people interviewed during their successful revolution against thieving crony capitalist Mubarak said, "we need to transition to real social democracy" (although they did not add the truism, 'like all real functional democracies' in the world).
Now that the global corporate/financial/militarist Empire which controls our former country by hiding behind the facade of its Two-Party 'Vichy' sham of faux-democratic government, has taken firm steps to push aside their smooth-talking front-man, the stage is being set for confrontation or cowardice.
The unsustainable global Empire derives all its faux-profit through negative externality cost dumping on a multi-national AND multi-generational basis (ie. over geography and time), and thus the young in America are like Afghan youth in the sites of a equally silent Predator.
We, caught in the deadly corporatist Empire which IS America, are the only people who can rise up against this empire before it more stupidly than Mubarak asserts extinction over resignation — and the time horizon is unpredictable short.
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
"Democracy over Empire"
johnc
March 8th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
It would've been nice to hyperlink 'Norma Desmond.' Good article. Now I have watch Sunset bvld.