The Hosni Mubarak Fan Club
Neocons, nutballs, and the US government
A long-oppressed people finally rises up and braves tanks, secret police thugs, and the inertia of routine humiliation to say: “Enough”! Who could fail to sympathize? Well, Rep. Thaddeus McCotter (R-Michigan), for one:
“The Egyptian demonstrations are not the equivalent of Iran’s 2009 Green Revolution. The Egyptian demonstrations are the reprise of Iran’s 1979 radical revolution. Thus, America must stand with her ally Egypt to preserve an imperfect government capable of reform; and prevent a tyrannical government capable of harm.”
Why compare Egypt to Iran at all? Well, you know, those people over there in the Middle East are all alike: no need to differentiate. No need to cite any facts, which McCotter doesn’t. Those clean-shaven Egyptian kids in the hoodies and black leather jackets we’re seeing on our television screens may not look like Iranian mullahs, but we all know those icky brown people over there are all the same – don’t we?
Rep. McCotter continues:
“For if Egypt is radicalized, all of the reforms sought by the Egyptian people and supported by the United States with them – including consensual and constitutional government; free elections; open and unbridled media; and Egyptian control of their natural resources – will be lost.”
What universe is this guy living in? How can the Egyptian people “lose” that which they never had? It’s interesting how people like this – I mean crazy people, of course – routinely invert the true meaning of words, employing Bizarro-speak to communicate their underlying nuttiness. He talks about how the Egyptians will “lose” an “open and unbridled media”– at the very moment his buddy Hosni is turning off the Internet and kicking Al Jazeera out of the country. Bizarro-speak is his native language.
The reality is that McCotter could care less about freedom in Egypt: long a knee-jerk supporter of Israel, he leaps when AIPAC says jump, and is a favorite of fanatic anti-Arab bigot Debbie “Bad Hair” Schlussel. He babbles on about the alleged “control” of the anti-Mubarak movement by the Muslim Brotherhood – the line being put out there by the Israel lobby – but has zero evidence to back up his assertions. In order for this to be true, it would have to mean that virtually the entire population of Egypt, sans the security forces and the ruling party, are Muslim Brotherhood supporters, and yet we have seen nothing of the kind manifested in the massive demonstrations launched by grassroots activists and ordinary Egyptians.
McCotter isn’t some fringe nut job, a bald male version of Michelle Bachmann – he’s the chairman of the Republican Policy Committee and a GOP bigwig. These are the types of people who inhabit the upper reaches of the Republican party – clueless dogmatists who only care about how much campaign money they can get from the money-bags at AIPAC. (McCotter bagged $10,550 in the past two years.)
If the Egyptian people succeed in overthrowing Mubarak and his regime of torturers, according to McCotter, they will create a government similar to “the mullahs’ radical jackbooted murderers, who remain bent upon grasping regional hegemony and nuclear weaponry. Nascent democratic movements in the region will be co-opted and radicalized. The world’s free and open access to the Suez Canal’s vital commercial shipping lanes will be choked. And the Sinai Accord between Egypt and Israel – which must be protected as the foundation and principal example for Mideast peace - will be shredded.”
Israel, Israel, Israel – it’s all about Israel, even when it isn’t. That’s the explanation for the coolness of the major pro-Israel organizations to Egypt’s valiant democratic upsurge. As Alan Elsner, an analyst with the “Israel Project,” put it:
“We understand very well that this is a regime that has been there for 30 years and is an authoritarian government. It hasn’t allowed free and fair elections – we understand that. We also understand that this is a government that made peace with Israel in 1979 and Mubarak’s predecessor paid for that peace with his life.”
“We understand” – and we don’t care. All we care about is that shitty little country in the Middle East which is fast turning into a racist theocracy and thrives on the $3 billion of taxpayer dollars we shovel down its greedy maw every year. We don’t care about democracy, liberty, the right of human beings to live and breathe – all we care about is our narrow little tribal ambitions. Asked why the Project supported the Iranian “Green” upsurge, and not the Egyptian version, Elsner replied: “”There is a huge difference between the governments of Iran and of Egypt. The government of Egypt has a peace treaty with Israel and has observed it.” So unacquainted with morality and any concept of basic human decency are the Elsners of this world that I doubt they realize how bad this sounds.
Elsner’s colleagues in the Lobby have a similar case of tunnel vision: Malcolm Hoenlein, executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, complained that “Getting rid of Mubarak will create such disruption and potentially dangerous change.” Dangerous – for whom? Why, for Israel, of course.
The worst dictatorships could prosper, thousands could be tortured and killed – but as long as Israel is served by the course of events, all’s right with the world. That’s what people like McCotter, Elsner, and Hoenlein fervently believe. And the government of Israel agrees with them. In a story headlined “Israel Has Faith Mubarak Will Prevail,” top Israeli officials are cited:
“With a deep investment in the status quo, Israel is watching what a senior official calls ‘an earthquake in the Middle East’ with growing concern. The official says the Jewish state has faith in the security apparatus of its most formidable Arab neighbor, Egypt, to suppress the street demonstrations that threaten the dictatorial rule of President Hosni Mubarak. The harder question is what comes next.
“‘We believe that Egypt is going to overcome the current wave of demonstrations, but we have to look to the future,’ says the minister in the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Israel enjoys diplomatic relations and security cooperation with both Egypt and Jordan, the only neighboring states that have signed treaties with the Jewish state. But while it may be more efficient to deal with a strongman in Cairo – Mubarak has ruled for 30 years – and a king in Amman, democracies make better neighbors, ‘because democracies do not initiate wars,’ he says. ‘Having said that, I’m not sure the time is right for the Arab region to go through the democratic process.’”
Has such unmitigated arrogance ever been seen or recorded?
In a normal world, such chutzpah would be widely condemned, and repudiated: instead, in our Bizarro World, it is kowtowed to and appeased. This appeasement is what stands between the Obama administration and the wholesale rejection of the Mubarak regime. Netanyahu says he’s been on the phone with President Obama, and we don’t have to strain to imagine the conversation. It’s sickening to consider how damaging US support to Mubarak has been for American interests in the Middle East and around the world, but American interests don’t matter to the Americans – as long as Israel is appeased.
Unlike many, this commentator isn’t urging the Obama administration to endorse the demonstrations, or call for Mubarak’s ouster: this isn’t about America, after all, but about Egypt and its long-suffering people. Instead of rhetoric about “democracy,” what the Egyptian people need above all is action, and this means an immediate cut off of all aid to the Mubarak regime. How many times have we seen the demonstrators hold up tear gas canisters being shot at them with “Made in U.S.A.” stamped all over them? This hurts us, it hurts our national interests, but our rulers are oblivious. As Mubarak’s paid murderers cut down Egyptians in the streets, the Americans are worrying about Israel and the Suez canal. If post-Mubarak Egyptians have an ounce of self-esteem, they’ll ban American ships from the canal for all eternity.
If we were living in a rational America, instead of Bizarro America, the US government would have cut off all aid to Egypt days ago – heck, years ago. Unfortunately, we live in a country where the national interests of the American people are routinely ignored in favor of a nation that has spied on us, sold our secrets to our worst enemies, and ruthlessly pursued a policy of expansion – using our tax dollars to do it.
Hosni Mubarak’s American fan club is a coalition of neocons like John Bolton, nutballs, like Pamela Geller, and the Israel-appeasers who inhabit the US national security and diplomatic establishment and don’t dare sneeze without Tel Aviv’s permission. These people are a tiny minority of the US population – the average American, seeing what is going on in Egypt, reflexively supports the Egyptian people. But ordinary Americans don’t control US foreign policy: the Interests do. And one of the biggest, if not the biggest, Interest in the foreign policy realm is Israel’s amen corner in Washington. We’ll have nothing remotely resembling a rational foreign policy until the all-pervasive influence of Israel’s lobby is effectively neutralized. Until then, you can chalk up Uncle Sam as a charter member of the Hosni Mubarak Fan Club – to our everlasting shame.
Update:
I have to say that, as corrupt and downright stupid as the GOP hierarchy may be, I never thought they’d come right out and endorse Mubarak, but it looks like I was wrong. Here’s Rick Santorum:
“We abandoned [the shah] and what we got in exchange was from the people if you will, notionally, was a radical Islamist regime. That happening in Egypt would have a profound effect on the Middle East.”
Incoherent in both expression and content, Santorum is no genius, but he’s sufficiently savvy to have absorbed the pro-Israel line after six days of watching the Egyptian people’s torment. Bring back the Shah! – that’s his solution to the suffering of millions.
Mike Huckabee avers that Egypt’s nonviolent revolution
“Threatens the very existence of our children and our future. If in fact the Muslim Brotherhood is underneath much of the unrest every person who breathes ought to be concerned. Already we’ve seen across the world the influence of radical Islam. Sometimes we just don’t understand that this is not an enemy like we’ve ever faced before. Jihadism is more than an enemy that has a flag and a country and geographical borders. It’s an enemy that has a fanatical intent to kill every last person who does not completely adhere to their radical view of Islam.”
Like the rest of his Flat-Earther flock, the Holy Huckster knows nothing about Egypt, in spite of his trip to the region years ago, and gets his talking points from the Lobby. If the Muslim Brotherhood – a strategically conservative and ideologically mushy group of aging ideologues, which had nothing to do with organizing the rebellion – didn’t exist, Mubarak’s American friends would have to invent them.
Indeed, the Brotherhood has been completely sidelined by the Egyptian events, caught just as unawares and flat-footed as American and Israeli intelligence: they never saw it coming, and haven’t been able to take advantage of it. No doubt, in a post-Mubarak democratic Egypt – if such ever comes to pass – they’ll be one of many parties vying for power and influence, but the secular and liberal movements which were the spark plug of the Jasmine Revolution represent the Egyptian mainstream.
Both Huckabee and Santorum are considered contenders for the Republican presidential nomination in 2012, but their open support for a murderous dictator ought to disqualify them from the ranks of serious candidates. Along with presidential aspirant John Bolton, the foreign policy “expert” whose crazy anti-Muslim rants will at least ensure that the upcoming GOP presidential debates will be entertaining if nothing else, they should be relegated to the fringe.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013
- Carla del Ponte’s Faux Pas – May 7th, 2013





Johnny in Wi.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
The commentators on the cable channels are mostly all Zionists. Their main concern seems to be only about Israel and nothing else. Demcracy is not an option for these people. The Egyptian people have few guns and have little to defend themselves from thugs of the government or of the other criminal classes. No wonder our overlords are worried about the massive number of arms the American people own. The 2nd Amendment is in the Constitution for a good reason.
Mezenc
January 30th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
You do get that feeling, listening to the TV commentators – all of them – that 90 million Egyptians oppressed by a tyrannical, dangerous government – slavery, really – might be OK. Like, " Lets not be too hasty about freedom for Egyptians. "
wadosy
January 31st, 2011 at 12:01 am
it's all gonna be okay.
we armed the egyptian government to the teeth so they can defend themselves from their own people… that's very good, very farsighted…
…as the climate becomes more unpredictable (russia cancels grain shipments to egypt because of screwy weather) and the availiability of fuel for farm machinery declines.
libertarians are not allowed, however, to consider problems created by climate change and peak oil, because climate and fuel are not problems because the market will solve those problems, according to libertarian dogma.
meanwhile, the people who have a semi-tenuous grasp of reality arm the egyptian government so it can defend itself from its own people while it makes peace with israel, as israel controls the policies of the biggest energy and food hog on the planet.
wadosy
January 31st, 2011 at 12:02 am
american hoggishness must be preserved because it results in an american economy that can afford to pay for weapons used by the egyptian government to defend itself from its own citizens while that government makes peace with israel.
it's all part of tikkun olam, or benevolent global hegemony, or whatever you want to call it.
no wonder so many big wheels have turned to looting.
wadosy
January 31st, 2011 at 12:25 am
of course, once you've abandoned your morals and reverted to your default moral position (might makes right), then you're in good shape… provided that you're fat enough already to be in a position to loot enough so you can hide out somewhere until the global warming/peak oil dust settles.
whole dynasties being founded, then going underground until it's time to establish whatever kind of shitty little empire is still possible once the oil's used up.
and nevermind about the number of people you have to kill: once you've abandoned your morals, killing people is not wrong… it's just a public relations problem.
sherban
January 31st, 2011 at 12:26 am
How is called in politicians language a little shitty country? it is called:a fountain of democracy,a fountain of prosperity (Rand Paul at CNN).Now "the only democracy in the region"sees that Arab brains not only that is able to want to live in democracy but it is ready to struggle hard to get it.Of course "the only one democracy"sees it as a peril:how will continue to receive the 3 billion dollar and more as being the "only one blah,blah,blah"In the other side Israel,the same with happened with Turkey,could desire that Mubarak will go and a neutral (with some Muslim brother) government will be set off in Egypt.Israel will know demonize thyis government exactly how she did with Erdogan government,you know,all these Muslim radicals and their Caliphate.
San Flag Pins
January 31st, 2011 at 12:42 am
The problem is no neutrality. The US played a role with the Soviets to end of the last war between Egypt and Israel. President Carter helped get peace between Egypt & Israel. But the problem is no neutrality. Israel isn't a one party state. When AIPAC buys American foreign policy for the right wing Likud party, America, and the middle east loses. We give the Israeli non-peace parties a dependency, just like they say we give 3rd generation welfare families a dependency. I want to disagree with Mr Raimondo on this (small?) point: Israel: "a shitty little country" while agreeing with his "which is fast turning into a racist theocracy". A Egypt that attacked Israel scared Israel, historians of the 1973 October (Egypt)/Yon Kipper (Israel) war know this. Its ok for Israel and its US supporters to want no conflict with Egypt. Its not OK for our government to see foreign policy through "Israeli prism" , as Philip Giraldi interview says. IF you fight the popular sentiment and aspirations of the next generation of Egyptians, just cause its comfy and easy not to change, will the US come out well? How wise is that. NOT WISE AT ALL. Its not smart to ignore Iran's turning anti-US as a potential example for Egypt, but HOW can you blame Mr Raimondo when he who studies the US government sees how perverted things have become. We Americans don't demand neutrality, and we get crappy US representatives. We push lies through the UN. We follow bad policy , and we push US policy in a corner. But you know what , its not we its only the current successive US government (S) (Demo & Repub). Egyptian & American policymakers will eventually be pushed out. Its unsustainable. We have a power like the Egyptian protesters do, ours is easier but if we do nothing we might be closer to the same boat they are, begging and struggling for our rights. Israeli writers & American Jewish writers on Antiwar.com tell us how stupid things are becoming, we need to listen.
mother of necessity
January 31st, 2011 at 1:19 am
dont think you're gonna get down (oh oh!)
Maidhc Ó Cathail
January 31st, 2011 at 1:50 am
Excellent piece. In a Press TV discussion of the Egyptian uprising, Alison Weir also got to the core of the issue: “Part of the lack of his popularity is that he does the bidding of the United States, which does the bidding of Israel.”
http://thepassionateattachment.com/2011/01/30/wei…
bob35983
January 31st, 2011 at 1:54 am
Or, as Mark Levin expressed on his radio show, only democracies beneficial to the United States have value. It there's nothing in it for Uncle Sam – who cares?
So much for the "mainstream conservative" attitude about The Rights of Man.
theothercanada
January 31st, 2011 at 2:07 am
Till they turn of the Internet here we have Al Jazeera and RT, thank God.
Dan
January 31st, 2011 at 2:25 am
"that shitty little country in the Middle East which is fast turning into a racist theocracy "
Odd how this progressive present euphemism persists. How about "shitty little racist theocracy" ?
But the American media and lickspittle flunkie Aipac whores are quite right: what is happening in Egypt has a lot to do with Palestine. Ordinary Egyptians have more integrity and human compassion than either their leaders or the lickspittle flunkies of the Palestinian National Authority.
Santorum is a member of Opus Dei, an elitist neocon money/power/war cult within the Catholic Church that also includes Blackwater/Xe executives.
Wolfgang9
January 31st, 2011 at 2:46 am
Justin, you are right, these uprisings and the statements made by US politicians rip the mask of the face of the USG claiming to be the "democratic" empire. Interestingly, here we also see the difference in the education of people in the US and Europe. IMHO, such comments like those of Rep. McCotter would be impossible for a politician here in Germany. People and even the corrupt MSM would just crucify that guy. And that shows something even more frightening for me, when capitalism is at its "best" then only a very thin leadership still gets a decent education. And this is obviously the intention of politicians, to keep the masses uneducated. They shouldn't find out that they are not living in a democracy at all, its just a ditatorship of some corrupt politicians caste.
W9
GradyWilson
January 31st, 2011 at 3:49 am
Very powerful commentary by Raimondo.
Its rather pathetic that that these Mubarak/Israel supporters haven't learned that supporting dictators like the Shah and Mubarak has 'blowback'. The obvious lesson is to NOT support dictators but not in fascist bizzaro world. Their lesson learned is to keep supporting and funding the dictators while preaching 'democracy' at the same time.
Obama has an opportunity to show the muslim/arab world that he truly does support democracy but then again the coward couldn't even speak out against anti-democratic bogus attacks against Acorn by the fascist right here at home.
Fil Munas
January 31st, 2011 at 4:08 am
I was appalled by UK Prime Minister David Cameron's supremacist comments yesterday on the CNN program, GPS. Mr. Cameron eagerly revealed his elitist view that Egyptians were not quite ready yet for one-person, one-vote democracy, implying that the great unwashed masses of Egypt needed further education to qualify for this privilege. What would he have said when blacks in America, and later women, were suddenly enfranchised? David Cameron would have blown a gasket!
kassandra
January 31st, 2011 at 4:38 am
There's one neocon that seems to have had a Road to Damascus moment. Namely, Martin Indyk on Fareed Zakaria's GPS said that Mubarak is "dead man walking",that he should go immediately, that the "US is 'way behind the curve on this", and much more in the same vein. He must have been struck by lightning!
And then there is that zombie Tony Bliar, talking from Jerusalem, channeling Israel's FM Lieberman, that "change should be managed" — yeah, managed by Israel. What a ghastly example of the undead. Why is the Quartet keeping him on salary?
Egypt's Internet Shut Down
January 31st, 2011 at 4:47 am
[...] pretty good article here: The Hosni Mubarak Fan Club by Justin Raimondo — Antiwar.com If we were living in a rational America, instead of Bizarro America, the US government would have [...]
James
January 31st, 2011 at 5:20 am
"but the secular and liberal movements which were the spark plug of the Jasmine Revolution represent the Egyptian mainstream"
This isn't necessarily true. What secular and liberal institutions are there in Egypt? The Army? Not really. The problem with democracy in the Middle East is that usually in elections religious parties are favored or gain control: Lebanon, (Hezbollah) Iraq (Dawa), Palestine (Hamas), Turkey (AKP), etc.
The Muslim Brotherhood is the main opposition party to Mubarak . If Mubarak is overthrown and if elections are held they are in the best position to take advantage of it. That chain of events may not happen, but it is not implausible. Egypt is poor, religious, and has little middle class like most of the ME, so it is at least plausible the Muslim Brotherhood could come to power.
Wolfgang9
January 31st, 2011 at 5:33 am
Now, here it comes very clear (based on an article in Hareetz): http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,7425…
A very secret memo by Netanyahu to US and European politicians asking for support for Hosni Mubarak! It requests to stop criticizing Mubarak! This proves how deep Mubarak depends on Israel for his power! I'm sure that the Mossad was present when demonstrators at the Interior Ministry were shot.
Also, Shimon Peretz tells in radio, that a dictatur by Mubarak would be better for Israel than a Muslim government.
W9
GradyWilson
January 31st, 2011 at 5:35 am
"Demcracy is not an option for these people." J in W
Seems like they have that in common with your beloved founders.
"Democracy, the Worst Form of Government Ever Tried" http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/chu6.html
"Given the Founding Fathers' fully warranted fear and loathing of democracy, we should not be surprised that the Constitution of the United States does not contain a single solitary reference to the word "democracy," "
liveload
January 31st, 2011 at 5:43 am
Not sure if the brotherhood was caught "flatfooted" insomuch as voluntarily eschewing the lead. They have been adamant about not taking the lead and trying to co-opt the movement as their own. They spoke to AlJazeera this weekend and stated that it would be "an insult to the Egyptian people to lump them all in under one political party or religion". For their part they are on the streets like everyone else, from all walks of life. The real danger here isn't some western boogeyman co-opting their movement from within, it's foreign intervention. Those same dumb-as-shit westerners will panic and try something profoundly stupid like try to keep Mubarak in power or seize the Suez canal.
I can only hope that this wave continues throughout the middle east. Arabia needs the "Saudi" removed from it's name. Israel needs to have its bums thrown out so the people can create one democratic state for all. There is much work to be done before the excretions of greedy, myopic, and selfish western powers can be cleansed from the region.
rybo1
January 31st, 2011 at 5:50 am
Another excellent article. It looks like the "Ugly American" is not a thing of the past, but is alive, well and flourishing in AMERIKA.
Lloyd
January 31st, 2011 at 6:07 am
The US has supported the negation of democratic elections multiple times in the past couple of decades: In Turkey, Algeria, Palestine, etc. Watching the talking heads on TV yesterday morning it appears DC's pinning its hopes on a 'compromise' in which Mubarak steps down and a military junta takes over. Can't have those 'Islamists' threaten the "Mideast Peace Process" (i.e.: unchecked Israeli power).
emsnews
January 31st, 2011 at 6:14 am
We don't have much of a democracy here, either. People keep forgetting why nearly 50% of our citizens don't vote. All the anti-democracy machinery comes into view in close elections. I will never, ever forget how our corrupt Supreme Court decided they didn't need to have Florida really count the votes because IT DIDN'T MATTER.
liveload
January 31st, 2011 at 6:22 am
Not sure if the brotherhood was caught "flatfooted" insomuch as voluntarily eschewing the lead. They have been adamant about not taking the lead and trying to co-opt the movement as their own. They spoke to AlJazeera this weekend and stated that it would be "an insult to the Egyptian people to lump them all in under one political party or religion". For their part they are on the streets like everyone else, from all walks of life. The real danger here isn't some western boogeyman co-opting their movement from within, it's foreign intervention. Those same dumb westerners will panic and try something profoundly stupid like try to keep Mubarak in power or seize the Suez canal.
I can only hope that this wave continues throughout the middle east. Arabia needs the "Saudi" removed from it's name. Israel needs to have its bums thrown out so the people can create one democratic state for all. There is much work to be done before the excretions of greedy, myopic, and selfish western powers can be cleansed from the region.
emsnews
January 31st, 2011 at 6:22 am
Israel has a long history of pre-emptive attacks. They will attack Egypt if there are any signs it will do what all countries long under US rule do: bring in a radical religious regime. The US cannot figure out why this happens which is silly: we kill off any SECULAR democracies! Leaving only this alternate possibility.
foodoo
January 31st, 2011 at 6:29 am
American money buys weapons for Israel,
American money buys oil for Israel
American money buys standard of living for Israel.
and of course American money buys friends for Israel
'cause Israel cannot make or keep friends on its own.
Israel is that "special" problem bully child that needs
everything provided for it, by its doting and misguided parent/enabler.
As the reach of US money and power come to an end
Israel will have a rude awakening when no one comes
to its party
John V. Walsh
January 31st, 2011 at 6:34 am
Great piece by Justin.
Another must read is by Chris Hedges who was a reporter covering Egypt in the 90s and of course a Pulitzer winner and now an antiwar activist.
See: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/what_corrupti…
And of course AlBaradei is the CIA's plan B, being peddled by the Western media.
dmaak112
January 31st, 2011 at 6:42 am
Justin Raimondo is one reason I turn to antiwar.com. His analysis of the Egyptian situation is better than I see in the large metropolitan papers (New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, Los Angles Times, etc) as well as the major news networks and the cable networks. Americans are badly informed, which makes them easily led. Mr. Raimondo’s article should be mandatory reading for every American who is tired of sending their children to fight in foreign lands while we are taxed for it. American foreign policy needs a major overhaul. With the people that are in power now, we won’t get it.
jojo
January 31st, 2011 at 6:57 am
Old man James, are you reporting from tel aviv ?
Jon
January 31st, 2011 at 7:01 am
"McCotter bagged $10,550 in the past two years"
Is that all it takes to 'buy' a US politician? A crappy five grand a year? And he's a high ranking pol. too. He ought to be ashamed of himself. I know of hookers who get more money than that for one night! Crap! I'm so disapointed. We need a better class of corrupt politician in America.
jojo
January 31st, 2011 at 7:06 am
Great article–keep up the excellant work Just'in. Just one suggestion– I Expanded some missing facts on your comment "Unfortunately, we live in a country where the national interests of the American people are routinely ignored in favor of a nation that has spied on us, sold our secrets to our worst enemies, and ruthlessly pursued a policy of expansion ******( AND attacked America and blamed it on MuslimsArabs–like/as/glaring/obvious 9/II, USS'Liberty attacks)***** – using our tax dollars to do it.
Wolfgang
January 31st, 2011 at 7:43 am
Yeah, I have heard that before, because they are poor, uneducated and religious they do not deserver democracy. And they don't have any secular and liberal institutions except the army, but isn't that the point why they are on the street.
So, a dictator just has to keep his slaves poor and uneducated and especially unorganized. That would give him the argument to rule them forever. I met a lot of educated people who were dumb as …
W9
VietnamWarVet
January 31st, 2011 at 8:28 am
"But he is our dictator" – FDR's answer to an aide when told that 'ally' Stalin was a brutal dictator – and so America has installed / supported dictators ever since WWII as long as they were "our dictators" and supposed 'allies' to the US.
As to Israel being an 'ally'? – anyone who seriously thinks that is smoking some really bad 'dope'!
J. Clifton
January 31st, 2011 at 8:49 am
Actually, libertarians will not allow the long rebutted dogmas of global warming and peak oil to poison the well of a realistic view of what havoc US interventionism in the Mideast has wrought on most of its people. Libertarians believe PEOPLE are the solution, whose voluntary actions and sovereign will (as expressed in the market, or elections) results in better outcomes than central planning of resources forced on most people.
kathy
January 31st, 2011 at 8:52 am
@jojo: it's not helpful to promote speculation as fact. We are the reality-based ones, remember?
GradyWilson
January 31st, 2011 at 8:56 am
And I could swear that I read on this site that the Tea Party was going to lead the way in changing US foreign policy?
"Rep. Thaddeus McCotter makes Tea Party rounds, visits Plymouth, Fox News and New Hampshire" http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2010/04/v…
McCotter also hinted that although things were busy on Tax Day, the Tea Party movement is just getting warmed up.
RickR30
January 31st, 2011 at 9:07 am
Fantastic column!
I just wish Americans had "consensual and constitutional government; free elections; open and unbridled media; and … control of their natural resources." Instead we have a government by unelected neocons that does nothing but trample the constitution on a daily basis. We have "free" elections where no third party members are allowed to participate in debates and both official candidates are identical, a media mafia entirely controlled by aipac operatives, and we have congresspeople who agree to provide israel with natural resources even if the US runs out of them.
"democracies do not initiate wars" says some israeli official. Indeed. We've always known that israel, which has a yearly war initiation ritual, is no democracy but a fascist radical extremist theocracy. Thanks for admitting it.
Huckabee is even a greater imbecile than I thought. The Muslim Brotherhood is an existential threat! Not just to his israeli masters but to every living creature on the planet! Great stuff. So we better ramp amp our campaign to kill every dark person not wearing jeans, huh, Mike?
Bob D
January 31st, 2011 at 9:11 am
Don't blame the Catholic church for Santorum's insanity. AIPAC has a a much tighter lock on so-called born again Zionist christians – largely a Baptist derivative. Although even that is an oversimplification. After all, Ron Paul and pastor Baldwin are Baptists. But Historically, the Catholics are second only to the Lutherans in their anti-Zionist positions.
wadosy
January 31st, 2011 at 10:15 am
please explain why the IEA says crude oil production peaked in 2006.
please explain why the most likely 9/11 suspects, considering "motive, means and opportunity", are some of the most vociferous deniers of peak oil and global warming.
are those people trying to obscure their motives for committing 9/11…? …because, once you get past "motive", the AEI/PNAC/neocon/exxon lashup had, by far, the most "means and opportunity" to commit 9/11, even overlooking the fact that they said they needed a new pearl harbor to get their project started.
wadosy
January 31st, 2011 at 10:17 am
there's no way in hell "PEOPLE" are going to be able to replace the trillion barrels of easy oil we've already burnt.
and we will have to burn up the rest of the coal, oil and gas to maintain israel's life-support system, aka the american economy that pays for the armies that protect israel…
so we wind up putting another couple hundred parts per million of co2 into the atmosphere, which is bad enough, but nobody know when the methane will get loose…
70% of the israeli population lives on israel's coastal plain, which will be flooded if global warming gets out of control, which explains why israel abandoned gaza, but keeps nibbling away at the high ground in the west bank.
why are israelis acting as if peak oil and global warming are real? …they seem, by their actions, to understand that they have to secure themselves from sea level rise before their american protection collapses from oil shortages.
the worst trouble with this theory is, nobody can refute the facts or the logic… no matter how many mercenary "scientists" AEI/exxon hires to "rebut" global warming and peak oil.
khalid
January 31st, 2011 at 10:55 am
sir,dont you think what at present happening in egypt may soon will happen in united states ?
Jaime
January 31st, 2011 at 11:06 am
So what if the Muslim Brotherhood gets the upper hand? This is the business of the Egyptians. The fact that people like you want to prevent the MB from taking power wants me to want them to do just that. You and your ilk don't want the MB to take power because, more probably than not, they would defend the rights of Egyptians against the US and Israel.
Generalissimo X
January 31st, 2011 at 11:11 am
it's loathesome and pathetic that our gov't does not fully stand behind the self determination of the egyptian people. they only support mubarek because he takes our bribes to tacitly support israel and of course he's a great guy to outsource torture to. he's not a dictator, he just has stayed in power for 30 years, forbids dissent, free speech and free media. he torturres his own citizens and siphons off u.s. aid into personal swiss bank accounts. surely a great republic worthy of our praise…as for muslim brotherhood or shades of iran '79 don't believe it. it was reported yesterday that during prayers, christians formed a circle around muslims to protect them from police and stones. this isn't about religious fundamentalism, this is about oppressed people rising up and saying no more.
the u.s. gov't fears that we all grow some stones and start fighting back in the same way. we need to take to the streets in support and refuse to back down until the democrats and republican criminals are completely removed from power.
Duglarri
January 31st, 2011 at 11:12 am
One element in the mix that is absolutely mystefying, and completely the responsibility of the United States, is the incredible box of toys the Egyptian army has. I mean, what on earth were they thinking: they not only gave Egypt 1000 M-1 tanks- they gave them a factory to produce them. To control the population? M-1 tanks are not much use for that; far better to have a fleet of helicopters, or light armored vehicles, if crowd control is the goal. And 200 F-16s? The US has absent-mindedly given Egypt near-parity in terms of equipment with Israel, and no other possible use for the gear than a confrontation with them. For all Israel's vaunted military efficiency, these are enormous numbers, all completely paid for by the US. Combine these arms with a the number of youths reaching military age each year in Egypt vs Israel: 850,000 to 50,000- with a government that is subject to the will of the people,not likely to be the least bit sympathetic to Israel, and what you're going to get is a real drag on tourism.
1000 M-1 tanks. Arming both sides: great idea. What were they thinking?
R.C. Williams
January 31st, 2011 at 11:19 am
Most of these US pundits and politicians have no idea what they're talking about. They just hear the word "Muslim" and go ape shit. They've been condition in true Pavlovian style.
wadosy
January 31st, 2011 at 11:24 am
what if the american people have decided that the country is too rotten to save? …too rotten to fight for?
i'd be wiling to bet that there's a big percentage of americans who see what's happening, know what's happening, and have washed their hands of the government… and now they're just waiting for things to get so bad that they must, as a matter of survival, tear the whole works into shreds and start over again.
putin, when he purged the israeli russians allied with the american neocons, got rid of gusinsky,the media oligarch, first… gusinsky fled to israel.
there's no legal mechanism in the US, as it exists, to rid the country of zionist control of the media… and the laws are getting worse every day, the poster child of zionist laws being chertoff's patriot act, which was approved by a congress terrorized into compliance by 9/11 and the anthrax attacks.
the chances of an american putin surfacing are slim and none, and slim caught the last train to the coast.
JoaoAlfaiate
January 31st, 2011 at 11:29 am
Justin, No need to call for a cut off of US aid. When the new regime comes to power Congress will act quickly enough. Maybe they can put Lebanon, Tunisia, and Egypt (and hopefully Jordan, the PLA and Yemen) all in the same resolution. It is hard to imagine a foreign policy which has failed so spectacularly as ours has!
Wolfgang
January 31st, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Just a thank you, John. I agree, but when I think longer, maybe in a first step, ElBaradei is already a huge improvement. There is the question if big change is possible and sometimes when things are on the move they start an own movement further. Sure, ElBaradei is probably plan B of the USG (Hillary), but it's still B and not A, and it will be much more difficult to force El Baradei then Mu Barak. Any win in Egypt would also have consequences in Jordan and Yemen, giving thise people more power and get rid of the corrupt mafia. And I'm still thiniking positive, maybe El Baradei has good intentions, I don't want to be negative too much. Those people will need more than one step to get where they really want to be!
W9
andy
January 31st, 2011 at 12:55 pm
We should wash our hands of Isreal. We should mind our own business. Does Mexico care or worry about what is going on in Egypt?
andy
January 31st, 2011 at 12:57 pm
With an "ally" like Israel, who needs an enemy?
andy
January 31st, 2011 at 12:58 pm
The M.I.C. doesn't think. It just exists.
andy
January 31st, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Perhaps because it was a foreign policy that was never designed to serve us.
andy
January 31st, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Anotehr great article by Justin. What a credit he is to us all.
Johnny in Wi.
January 31st, 2011 at 1:49 pm
I have been reading neocon and Israeli webbsites. They are really losing their marbles. I wouldn't be surprised if the attack Egypt just because the people there are finally getting rid of their oppressors. The paronoia among these peole is truely insane.
musings
January 31st, 2011 at 3:18 pm
Hillary is clearly speaking on command from a dog-whistle to which most of us are thankfully deaf.
The question is how to respond to the nervous, anxious behavior in the quarters from which it is being blown.
There are some paleo-conservatives who say that Egypt is none of our business, but unfortunately this elegant refusal does not get think-tank funding, and has not for some time. So the challenge is: what to say? How does one calm the fears of those too frantic to reason – or are they as Justin observed simply unreasonably racist? Maybe if we attacked the racism at the root it would serve to expose that mind-set, the idea that the "little brown brothers" – now morphed into dangerous islamists in the minds of some who think they must be governed by tyranny – do not deserve "self-determination" (another old phrase never heard these days)….
Well, since we send arms to Egypt, we are involved. We have armed the oppressor, and they say we cannot dismount that tiger. After Sadat was killed and Mubarak merely injured in the attack — we never skipped a beat. We need to revisit those days to see how Mubarak achieved his power and why his own people hate him so. We need to listen to them, for probably the first time. We need to know. And dear Wikileaks – can you help us?
Phil Giraldi
January 31st, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Actually it's pretty simple Joao – if you are a friend of Israel we are with you and if you are not we're against you. Never has a Great Power had a foreign policy so simply defined! But look at it this way, that $2.5 billion that Egypt and Jordan were getting to talk nice to Israel will be up for grabs and we can give it to Tel Aviv to build more settlements and end the Palestinian problem once and for all!
JLS
January 31st, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Now the Egyptian army is refusing to fire on the people! Good for the people and army of Egypt!
I'll believe the US cares about freedom when they bring the troops home and turn them loose on the police.
GradyWilson
January 31st, 2011 at 5:29 pm
Why are you making this about Israel? The US is the dominant imperial state while Israel, like Egypt, is the compliant submissive state.
Sam
January 31st, 2011 at 5:30 pm
Downpressor man
Roque Santa Cruz
January 31st, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Justin this is a fabulous peace you wrote. that covers just about every thing egypt stood for for the last 30 years. just about.
Dave Boyer
January 31st, 2011 at 5:43 pm
And the Israeli/US Mutt and Jeff routine is wearing mighty thin and unconvincing…
kassandra
January 31st, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Then go visit Egypt's Military Museum, which has lots of displays extolling the 1973 war, look at the paintings on the walls surrounding various military installations, doing the same. And speaking of tanks, the Merkava didn't do so good in the last confrontation with Lebanon. . .a drag on tourism indeed.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
January 31st, 2011 at 6:12 pm
Great piece Mr Raimondo. Aargh, I have to agree with Grady Wilson's comments. But then, from libertarian to libertarian, how someone as intelligent as you could have ever put hope in something like the Tea Party. Ok, you're a good guy, I remember one of your columns in which you expressed hope in Obama.
Please, put aside your emotions when you're writing. Uhh, after a second thought, don't.
RockyRococo
January 31st, 2011 at 6:28 pm
Fisk, reporting from Egypt:
I noticed the lead tank's hull bore markings beginning "MFR" – at this point a soldier with a rifle and bayonet fixed was ordered to arrest me so I ran into the crowd and he retreated – but could "MFR" stand for the US Mobile Force Reserve, which keeps its tanks in Egypt? Was this tank column on loan from the Americans? You don't need to work out what the Egyptians make of all this.
Johnny in Wi.
January 31st, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Come on Grady: The American government is Israeli owned territory. The Empire would have folded 20 years ago without our commitments in the Middle East. Israel is the tail wagging America's dog. They use our laundered foreign aid money to bribe, blackmail, and intimidate our corrupt political elites.
Wallace
January 31st, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Ha ha ha …what?!!!!Nice try JIDF b!tch.
Wallace
January 31st, 2011 at 7:45 pm
You nailed it."Bully child" indeed.
Wallace
January 31st, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Israel has spent the last 60 years constantly attacking its neighbors, stealing their land, subverting other governments, starving the Gazans into surrendering their elected government for a puppet of Israel's choosing, then when these other nations get angry, Israel hides behind the lumbering behemoth United States who threatens war while screaming for peace, and promises balance while giving Israel whatever it wants.
Debbie(aussie)
January 31st, 2011 at 8:09 pm
‘because democracies do not initiate wars,’ he says. Right!!!! F*cking H*ll, how twisted can they get?
R.P. McCosker
January 31st, 2011 at 8:38 pm
Raimondo quotes McCotter as saying:
“The Egyptian demonstrations are not the equivalent of Iran’s 2009 Green Revolution. The Egyptian demonstrations are the reprise of Iran’s 1979 radical revolution. Thus, America must stand with her ally Egypt to preserve an imperfect government capable of reform; and prevent a tyrannical government capable of harm.”
McCotter is actually right, though not in the pro-Zionist sense he's trying to convey. First, Iran's "2009 Green Revolution" was a phony put-up job organized and funded by the CIA: It never went anywhere because it had no significant grassroots support but rather was set up to psychologically prepare Western populations for a U.S.-led invasion — or Israeli bombing — of Iran.
Second, just as the Iranians were fed up with their U.S.-installed puppet dictatorship, so Egyptians are largely fed up with theirs. The post-revolution Iranian regime, for all its faults, is reasonably democratic and far less repressive than many regimes the U.S. lawlessly empowers. No, the real difficulty is that the Iranian government — and the prospective new Egyptian one — aren't controlled by the U.S. regime, which itself is acting on behalf of Israel and the Western power elite.
Lorraine
January 31st, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Zing, zap, what a slap – Justin, you hit the nail on the hypothalamus. Thanks for the straight talk. It's so REFRESHING!!!!!!!
keithISGREAT
January 31st, 2011 at 9:48 pm
Amen brother what a great article. Unfortunately war is imminent. There is no doubt in my mind that there will be an anti-Israel government that takes the dictatorships place. The fact is there is no government that is moderate enough for the dirty United States. Anybody that criticizes that little shitty country in the middle east is extremist. You can torture and stab your people in the back but as long as you support that little shitty country in the middle east you are moderate.
R.P. McCosker
January 31st, 2011 at 10:46 pm
I think the real point is: no politician wants AIPAC and allied groups funding their opponents. In McCotter's case, he's probably from a safe, untargeted district anyway. But as a Republican U.S. House honcho, he wants to be sure AIPAC isn't uncomfortable with the Republican caucus, making noises about going after GOP House members.
MoT
January 31st, 2011 at 11:42 pm
For the love of all that is holy please stop this peak oil crap. I've told you time and time again, since I work in the "business", that peak oil is a crock. It is the refining capacity that is kept clamped down and with increasing demands that then creates higher prices and shortages. Ever notice that we spend a hell of a lot of money blowing people up but no money for more and better refineries. Thats not by accident… thats by design. And there is so much oil that is available to make your head spin so just give that poor dead horse you've been beating to death a decent burial.
jackbootstate
February 1st, 2011 at 2:54 am
Jackboots of the World, Unite! Who couldn't see this rally of support from the corridors of power and privilege around the world for Egypt's stricken dictator? Mubarak's jackbooted brethren in Beijing have eliminated all searches for Egypt and the uprising from Internet search engines throughout China. This is a multi-alarm inferno and they're all pulling for their buddy Mubarak and any hand picked successor to survive. Of course, nobody who is supporting Mubarak has ever been rendered to one his torture cells either.
Anybody who really believes in democracy and freedom ought to be jumping for joy at the routing of Mubarak's police goons in Cairo, Alexandria, Suez and all points in between, by an angry citizenry fed up with living under Mubarak's jackboot. The police fled and many police stations have been destroyed by angry demonstrators. They've earned every bit of violence thrown in their direction by demonstrators for the past week. Nobody can blame the millions of demonstrators for their response. The only weapon they have against Mubarak is to make the country ungovernable, and they have succeeded.
Egypt was like a Chinese fireworks factory doused with a million gallons of gasoline just needing a match to be set off. This had to happen eventually. What of Egypt's future? As Mohammed Elbaradei said during that historic day this past Friday in Cairo, "The Egyptian people can take care of themselves." They've received more than enough "help" from meddling foreigners over past few decades and its time for real independence.
wadosy
February 1st, 2011 at 3:13 am
if there was a lack of refining capacity, the price of oil would go down, wouldnt it…?
because that would mean there would be oil hanging out, waiting to be refined, and people who needed to keep their cash flow up would be underbidding their competitors in an effort to sell their oil to refiners.
we dont build more refineries because we dont need them, because refineries are not the bottleneck… the bottleneck is production, which has been flat, year-on-year, globally since 2005 (EIA) or 2006 (IEA).
production has been flat since late 2004, according to the EIA, despite a horrendous increase in price and a huge increase in the number of drills working.
now then, if you know better than the EIA and the IEA, write them nastygrams and tell them to shape up.
joe
February 1st, 2011 at 11:25 am
no.
opec has been overproducing its quota by 2mill barrels per day. 2008 when oil hit $148/barrle there where tankers lined up to deliver.
then it was speculators like goldman and morgan chase who drove the increase.
joe
February 1st, 2011 at 11:28 am
insaneatorium is a member in good kneeling of israel's ass kissers of dc.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
February 1st, 2011 at 12:30 pm
The most shocking thing about all the coverage of events in Northern Africa is racism.
Those angelic humanist democracy loving liberals are showing their true face. They're plain shitty racists.
james
February 1st, 2011 at 12:31 pm
You are closer to realitu than John Wolfie. I do noy think the Egyptians have revolted to return back to one mans rule, so even if this guy is a CIA plant B there is so little he can do against the people's will. There will bne real change and mark my words, the USA is in damage control mode now.
James
February 1st, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Why do all the conspiracy nuts come to this website?
James
February 1st, 2011 at 6:39 pm
It is not that they don't deserve democracy it's that they cannot sustain democratic institutions. A viable middle class is needed to truly make democracy work. Look what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan: no middle class equals oppressive regimes. Please read up on democracy and democratic transitions.
James
February 1st, 2011 at 6:46 pm
I never said it was a bad thing, or that I didn't want the MB in power, I said it was at least plausible to happen. Please learn to read. Whether it is a bad thing or a good thing depends on perspective.
Terrance&Philip
February 2nd, 2011 at 11:48 am
The myth of Moses says that the Israelites longed for delivery from their Egyptian oppressors. So, if freedom from their Egyptian oppresors was good enough for the Israelites, why isn't freedom from their own oppressors good enough for ordinary Egyptians?
Terrance&Philip
February 2nd, 2011 at 11:54 am
"And they don't have any secular and liberal institutions except the army, but isn't that the point why they are on the street."
IOW they'd be ready for democracy if the had little shops on every street corner offering on-demand abortions and state-financed pornography in schools. Here, in the West, the words "secular and liberal" coupled together now usually imply things socially destructive and culturally pathologic.
Terrance&Philip
February 2nd, 2011 at 11:57 am
Yes, but Israel doesn't own "American" politicians.
Jesus
February 4th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
I like how this author presumes that the outspoken minority (compared with the silent majority) must be appeased. Who leads this uprising, what sort of organization is actually occurring within it that could even potentially replace an entire government? Besides slamming Israel maybe you could come up with a real article that would articulate the value of replacing the old government with a new government and who those replacements might be? If you have the intellectual capacity that is. Oh wait but then you would lose the majority of your audience once you stop slamming the evil Zionists scapegoats.
Try offering something new for a change instead slamming the people you disagree with. Maybe the world would be less shitty if people like you realized the Jews and Muslims aren't conspiring against you. The people of America have the power to dictate the country's progression through their own actions on a daily basis not the "Zionist Elite" who gave some rich Republican $10,000 over 2 years. Which is abysmal. Be the change in the world you wish to see my friends and remember WWJD?
Ferd Berfle
February 5th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
This is a Constitutional Republic and not a democracy. Just sayin'
BARBF
February 8th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
90 – 98% of women in Egypt have been the victims of FGM. Will this change? It is doubtful.
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