The Revolutionary Wave
Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen – is the West next?
It started, of all places, in Tunisia, a land of sunny beaches and sleepy walled cities – the first stirrings of a revolutionary wave that, before it’s crested, may reach American shores.
The spark flared first in the small town of Sidi Bouzid, in central Tunisia, where Mohamed Bouazizi, a 26-year-old graduate student, was accosted by the authorities for selling produce in the souk – the equivalent of a farmer’s market – without a license. Bouazizi, like many in emerging economies, could not find a job in his field – or any other field – and so was forced to resort to hawking olives and oranges to support his family of eight. The officials reportedly humiliated him, and when he went to city hall to try to go "legal," they wouldn’t even let him in the door. These are the circumstances that led to his now famous act of self immolation: in protest, and in full view of passersby, he stood in front of city hall, poured lighter fluid on himself – and struck a match.
This spark set off a prairie fire still burning its way across the Middle East, a conflagration born of boiling resentment and red-hot anger directed at the authorities that has already spread to Egypt and Yemen, and shows every sign of flaring up well beyond the region. As a global economic downturn punctures the delusions of economic planners and technocrats worldwide, the bursting of the bubble brought on by unrestrained bank credit expansion is generating a political tsunami that promises to topple governments from North Africa to North America.
Egypt is the perfect candidate for what we might call the Bouazizian revolution – a US-supported kleptocracy ruled by a coalition of the military, the technocrats, and Washington, with the overarching figure of Hosni Mubarak – now 82 – presiding over it all. As in Tunisia, one of the key issues is the succession: rumors that the Egyptian dictator was planning to pass power on to his son, Gamal, fueled popular fury against this latter-day Pharaoh. In both cases, the state is controlled by a single party – in Egypt, it is the National Democratic Party — still resting on the long-ago laurels of an anti-colonialist uprising, and since reified into a bureaucratic incrustation on the body politic.
Another similarity – which, somehow, most commentators have failed to note – is that all these upsurges are against regimes that have enjoyed practically unqualified US military and political support. Tunisia’s Ben Ali was a favorite of George W. Bush’s, and the Tunisian tyrant continued to enjoy support from the Obama administration. US aid to the regime hovered in the $20 million range, all of it in military, "anti-terrorist," and anti-narcotics detection sectors, and was slated for an increase in FY 2010. Egypt, of course, is the linchpin of US-friendly countries in the region, and Yemen is the latest battleground in our never-ending "war on terrorism."
Just follow the money. The American taxpayers have shelled out an average $2 billion-plus per year to our Egyptian sock puppets since 1979. As for Yemen, as Warren Strobel points out, "U.S. aid to Yemen increased significantly in fiscal year 2010 to about $67 million, and is due to increase in the current fiscal year to $106 million." That’s not counting $170 million in military aid. This gravy train is undoubtedly the single largest income stream flowing into the country: Yemen, in short, is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the US government. The same can fairly be said about Egypt.
On her January surprise visit to Yemen, Hillary Clinton is said to have "gently chided" Yemeni president Ali Abdullah Saleh to loosen his tenacious grip on the country’s political life, but as she got on the plane to depart she stumbled and took quite a fall – prefiguring the probable fate of Saleh, and, indeed, the various US puppet regimes in the region. The US is taking the same approach to Egypt, where demonstrators are demanding the resignation of Mubarak and being murdered in the streets: oh, but don’t worry, says White House spokesman Robert Gibbs, the Mubarak regime is "stable" in spite of it all.
This is arrant nonsense: Mubarak will follow Ben Ali into exile soon enough. Gamal has already packed up and fled to London with his family – and, reportedly, 100 pieces of luggage! The Egyptian authorities deny it, and the Guardian reports news of the son’s flight "appears to be wishful thinking."
In any case, the geniuses in charge of the US government are quite wrong if they think Mubarak can withstand the rising tide of protest, and the reason for their blindness isn’t hard to see. This administration seems to have forgotten the catchphrase popularized by its Clintonian predecessor: "It’s the economy, stupid." In this case, it’s the world economy, stupid: the global economic downturn that economist Nouriel Roubini – who predicted the 2008 implosion of the financial markets – says "can topple regimes." Commodity inflation means skyrocketing food prices – around two thirds of the consumer price index for emerging economies, as Roubini points out.
Roubini – and nearly every libertarian economist of the "Austrian" school – has long warned about the coming financial crisis of the West, the first seismic tremors of which we have been experiencing here in America since November 2008. But this is just the beginning: in the short term, unfunded liabilities and the interest on the national debt will account for a whopping 60 percent of GDP, and it won’t be long before it’s 100 percent. When that day comes – or, perhaps, long before it – the worldwide economic meltdown will be paying us a rather unwelcome visit, with consequences that are likely to make Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, and Greece look like romps in the park.
Our rulers can’t see the locomotive coming down the tracks, even though they’re standing right in its way: they still insist on the myth of "American exceptionalism," which supposedly anoints us with a special destiny and gives us the right to order the world according to our uniquely acquired position of preeminence. Yet that preeminence is increasingly being called into question by the economic facts of reality – and our own refusal to get our financial house in order. Blinded by hubris, and the habit of authority, the political class in America is no different, in essence, from its counterparts in Tunisia and Egypt: corrupt, arrogant, and used to commanding obedience, the Best and the Brightest are prisoners of their own complacency. Unable to comprehend, or sympathize with, the plight of the world’s miserable masses, encased in a bubble where the worst crisis they have to personally face is a broken chair lift at Davos, these preening Louis XIVs and Marie Antoinettes are in for a rude shock.
The nature of these populist revolts against authority will take on a different character according to where and when they occur, naturally enough: in Tunisia and Egypt, we see protests sparked by petty humiliations such as Mr. Bouazizi had to endure. In Greece and Great Britain, mass upsurges are the result of austerity budgets that cut ordinary people off at the knees while the banksters get bailed out. In America, we see the Tea Party rising against the tyranny of indebtedness and economic strangulation of the ordinary citizen – but this is just a prelude to the rising chorus of discontent and outright rebellion that will threaten American society in the years to come.
The revolutionary wave now sweeping the world will not exempt America, in spite of the myth of "American exceptionalism." We cannot and will not be excepted from the iron laws of economics, which mandate that you can’t consume more than you produce – no matter how many Federal Reserve notes (otherwise known as "money") you print.
The implications for US foreign policy are radical, and unsettling. While the decline and fall of the Roman Empire occurred over centuries of decay and degeneration, the process as it unfolds in America is likely to occur with what, in terms of human history, appears to be lightning speed. As our allies and satraps fall, one by one, across the Middle East and Europe, their fate prefigures our own.
Before we start cheering this world revolution as the salvation of us all, however, it ought to be remembered that revolutionary regimes often turn out to be worse than the tyrannies they’ve overthrown. There’s no telling what direction these political insurgencies will take, either in the Middle East or in America. As a negative example, recall the ideologies that arose in the 1930s in the wake of the Great Depression — German National Socialism, Italian Fascism, and Eurasian Bolshevism – and be forewarned. On a more positive note, here in the United States, at least, the possibilities are more balanced, although the dangers should not be underestimated.
What we are in for, finally, is a radical realignment of power, a vast shift that will break up the political landscape of every country on earth and shatter all the old assumptions. That old Chinese fortune-cookie curse, "May you live in interesting times," is about to come true.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Edward Snowden vs. the Sovietization of America – June 18th, 2013
- A Note to My Readers – June 16th, 2013
- Datagate and the Death of American Liberalism – June 13th, 2013
- Smear Brigade Goes After Snowden – June 11th, 2013
- Edward Snowden, American Hero – June 9th, 2013





Johnny in Wi.
January 27th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
This is one of your best colums ever. I can't find anything to disagree with. Your last few colums have all been terrific, keep up the good work.
wadosy
January 27th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
sure, they can… they've seen it coming for decades.
why do you think 9/11 happened?
why do you think the looters are having such a heyday?
why do you think there's so much happy talk, if not to prolong the opportunities to loot as the whole works collapses?
John_Mohammad
January 27th, 2011 at 11:39 pm
All I can say is for everyone to keep their eyes open, their ears to the ground, and keep your powder dry- if this sort of thing hits America, you can imagine the potential for some bloody payback and settling of scores in the midst of change. Stock up on food and ammo, have a plan, and keep those guns clean. I pray it won't happen like that here, but I'm not going to hold my breath on it.
BINSAFI
January 27th, 2011 at 11:59 pm
No One is Immune!
What's being manifested on the Streets of Cairo, is MUCH Bigger than EGYPT!!
Peace, Love & Respect.
rybo1
January 28th, 2011 at 12:21 am
Well said and well written, Justin! Soon the shit's going to hit the fan.
Montaigne
January 28th, 2011 at 1:28 am
The guns are of little value. Good neighbours are better. You don't survive being one person all by himself and without some division of labor, in fact it is solidarity evoked in times of war or natural catastrophe, that brings people better through. NOT the single guns.
Montaigne
January 28th, 2011 at 1:29 am
I'm afraid you are right.
Johnny in Wi.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:51 am
I just read in Haaretz the Israeli newspaper that Rand Paul's call for the ending of foreign aid is causing several strokes in the Jewish community. He actually said that aid to Israel and Egypt should be abolised to Wolf Blitzer on CNN. It got very positive reponse from the sane readers of Haaretz.
GradyWilson
January 28th, 2011 at 4:16 am
Justin deceitfully claims the Tea Party is rising against indebtedness and economic strangulation of the ordinary citizen (but his link shows that Tea Partiers vote Republican because well they are Republicans) while the Tea Partiers/GOP are the ones who speak of American exceptionalism and advocate austerity budgets that cut ordinary people off at the knees while the banksters get bailed out.
The Tea Party is not who Justin keeps claiming. They can't wait for civil unrest so they can shoot revolutionaries – not to be part of the revolution.
The economic collapse which has caused the economic hardship of so many in the world while enriching the political and economic elite is caused by free market capitalism which is advocated by the far right tea partiers, libertarians, republicans, and many democrats.
Justin is right that we should be careful about which direction the insurrections take since Justin himself and his fellow travelers are counter revolutionaries not revolutionaries.
Here's a good example of which side Tea Partiers are on: http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/149546/angry_pro…
bogi666
January 28th, 2011 at 5:13 am
The insults continue with the "happy talk", the sociopath psychopathic optimistic psychobabble propaganda, which many Americans believe. I even think the WEALTHY PREDATORY CAPITALIST WELFARE KINGS believe it although they have the Pentagon protection racket scheme of 'fund us, the Pentagon, for protection or else' which is what the Pentagon is all about, protecting the worldwide assets of the WELFARE KINGS many of which pay no taxes. Sending the National Guard of the several states to fight foreign wars and replacing them with regular army is an ominous sign.The MSM has continued the 'happy talk' and the pretend christian churches[towers of babble] with their phony prosperity feel good false doctrine are always in lock step.
bogi666
January 28th, 2011 at 5:23 am
Your misguided faith in the mindlessness American public to know what is in their best interest is mistaken. With Terminator Drones and weapons the size of a housefly the government can easily annihilate the loud mouth gun totting patriots whom are just full of bluster and B.S., while they fondle their guns as a substitute penis. None of these blustering fools don't have the courage of Code Pink whom get in the faces of the politicians in D.C. It is an organization of mostly women, most of them weighing 115 lbs.
bogi666
January 28th, 2011 at 5:27 am
Wouldn't it be absolutely wild if this Tunisian from a small village provided the spark, no pun intended, that ignited a world protest against the One World System of global capitalism and it is overthrown.
bogi666
January 28th, 2011 at 5:28 am
Well there are not a lot of Jews in Kentucky and he is right.
bogi666
January 28th, 2011 at 5:32 am
Excellent remarks, analysis of the Tea Party and Justin's own 'happy talk', sociopath psychopathic optimistic psychobabble about what he thinks of the Tea Party is all about. Thanks
Wolfgang9
January 28th, 2011 at 5:45 am
Here in Germany, we have some people who are on the same subject already for years.__One pretty smart person (unemployed physicist) has even a phase counter adjusting the__scale for the events which have already happened. And he is giving the current ruling class only a few years more. He also wrote a few books teaching people how to survive when this downturn will happen. ____For me personally this is not easy to live with, since about 20 years ago, I was still a very strong supporter of the Western system and would have done anything to support Republican's in the US, and CDU/CSU in Germany (I actually was elected to the council of a city in Hessia before I went to US).____I think it was this folish desire forcing Western ideas on people with very different life styles and cultures, and having no respect for other people. It was greed and the desire to rule the world in a big brother scheme. Real dumb politicians like Newt Gingrich or Bolton, and people without moral principles like Rush Limbaugh who were able to turn the majority of US voters toward that situation. Whereas only a few people listened to some warning voices.__W9
liberal
January 28th, 2011 at 6:19 am
I think it's possible that there's a very small minority of Tea Partiers who are correctly described by Justin. Most of them, however, aren't.
GradyWilson
January 28th, 2011 at 6:41 am
Funny that Raimondo would praise Nouriel Roubini and lump him in with “the Austrians’ since Roubini’s resume includes Harvard, Yale, the IMF, the Federal Reserve, the World Bank, the Bank of Israel, Bill Clinton’s senior economist for the Council of Economic Advisers, and the US Treasury Dept. as a senior adviser to Timothy Geithner. Also Roubini shows great respect for Lawrence Summers and Paul Krugman. Roubini doesn’t sound like someone an Austrian would respect does he? Justin, again, shows no intellectual consistency. Seems like honest libertarians of the Austrian school would be offended by Raimondo’s sloppy rantings but it seems like most of his sycophant readers are more concerned about “keeping their powder dry”. Again – just who are they itching to shoot?
GradyWilson
January 28th, 2011 at 6:41 am
Roubini quotes:
- “The recent announcement of coordinated liquidity injections by the Fed and four other major central banks is, to be blunt, too little too late.”
- “Major policy, regulatory, and supervisory reforms will be required to clean up the current mess and create a sounder global financial system.”
-“… one should also recognize that the current administration – the President (Obama), Geithner, Summers and the rest of the economic team – did a lot to contain and resolve the worst economic and financial crisis since the Great Depression, a crisis that it had inherited from the previous administration. In the first 30 days ….. major policy actions were undertaken: a $800 billion dollar fiscal stimulus program that is necessary to stimulate aggregate demand …”
- “The toxic mess and damage caused by this leverage-driven financial crisis and economic recession …”
Roubini doesn’t sound like someone a libertarian, Austrian, or TeaPartier would be showing respect does he?
SuperKraut
January 28th, 2011 at 6:42 am
Do you have a link to the physicist? Auf Deutsch ist ok.
Bob D
January 28th, 2011 at 7:04 am
I agree. Thanks for all the background information Justin. Too bad the message is so unsettling.
Johnny in Wi.
January 28th, 2011 at 7:12 am
Nonsense Grady: The economic collapse was caused by too much government spending too much money and promising to spend too much more. I just told a story of the most famous new elected Tea Party member Senator Rand Paul, calling for an end to foreign aid to Egypt and Israel. Many new memebers are calling for spending cuts in the defense budget. You can't have wars without money. If the congress turns off the spigot the wars will end.
JLS
January 28th, 2011 at 7:16 am
I don't think it's unsettling at all, I think its very hopeful. The only chance we ever have of getting freedom is for the US government to radically change and losen its iron grip over everybodys lives. If that means the government going broke then the sooner the better.
JLS
January 28th, 2011 at 7:19 am
I've no doubt they would use drones to violently suppress dissent here but if the government goes bankrupt then they won't be able to afford the armed thugs i.e. police, or their high tech toys.
Wolfgang9
January 28th, 2011 at 7:20 am
Here it is, though not everybody agrees with him: http://www.michaelwinkler.de/ http://www.michaelwinkler.de/Kommentar.html http://www.michaelwinkler.de/Pranger/Pranger.html
JLS
January 28th, 2011 at 7:20 am
lol I saw that interview and thought Wolf was gonna need a change of underwear!
Bob D
January 28th, 2011 at 7:24 am
Yes but there's a lot of christian zionists there. AIPAC has its tentacles everywhere in the US one way or another. If you saw Rand's interviews with Wolf or the first one, he was very careful to align himself with Israel not against them. I'm not faulting Rand for this, if he wants to support Israel so be it as long as he supports the US first. Unlike 99% of the Congressmen and 50% of the teaparty who put Israel's interest first and US interest a distant second. Like that teaparty snake Paul Ryan.
John_Mohammad
January 28th, 2011 at 7:29 am
Oh I agree- in order for ANYTHING to emerge from chaos, people would have to work together. My comments were more aimed at the potential for individual harm from predators and/or the mentioned payback factor. I'm sure many of us have people in our lives we've slighted or who for some reason hold grudges against us- and if you don't have those in today's world… you're doing it wrong! But seriously, yes I agree with your reply.
John_Mohammad
January 28th, 2011 at 7:35 am
Well obviously the USG needs to be reviewing foreign aid to Egypt at this point; if the wave of change engulfs that nation, there won't be anyone in charge to take our money! I agree, though, that aid to Israel definitely needs to be cut off- they are a sovereign nation in their own right and as such should be able to take care of themselves without our bribes (I mean, our foreign aid dollars). Given that they are arguably the most powerfully armed nation in the Middle East, there should be no obstacle to Israel making its own way.
Bob D
January 28th, 2011 at 7:37 am
Aren't there some (the original ones) teaparty folks who are not snakes like senator Ryan besides Rand Paul and Ron Paul? Don't misunderstand me Grady. Given the choice I think most of us palieocons would support the far left revolutionary over the Senator Ryan teapartiers.These warmongers have taken over the teaparty from where Ron Paul started it during his presidential campaign and perverted it. Admittedly I would have to hold my nose to support liberals. But I just look at the numbers. I'd rather see money wasted down the recycleable rathole of the welfare state, than down the dead end rathole of the warfare state.
KSB29
January 28th, 2011 at 8:25 am
"With Terminator Drones and weapons the size of a housefly the government can easily annihilate the loud mouth gun totting patriots whom are just full of bluster and B.S"
Like they are doing in Af/Pak? 10 years in and the "mountain trash hillbillies with guns" still has the US locked in a stalemate no matter how many new "wunderwaffen" the MIC pumps out.
"None of these blustering fools don't have the courage of Code Pink whom get in the faces of the politicians in D.C."
Oh, they "got in their faces" and then the same politician laughed all the way home to his multi-million dollar tax-payer financed house. No policy changed. No wars were stopped.
"while they fondle their guns as a substitute penis"
I'll take that over useless ego stroking any day. Yeah sure, peace and love and letters to my congressman will overcome…till the next Kent State happens.
John V. Walsh
January 28th, 2011 at 8:31 am
What are the prospects for revolutionary developments in the Middle East right now? I wish I could share Justin's enthusiasm but it does not seem realistic – unfortunately.
The CIA certainly has backups in case these regimes fall.
For example, what is the role of Al Baradai in Egypt? And even though the Jordanians want to oust the PM, the puppet king will remain. And in Tunisia it still appears that the new boss is the same as the old boss.
To carry through a revolution requires a revolutionary organization. Otherwise the organization of the despots will trump the anger of the unorganized populace. Either such an organization will quickly emerge or the revolutions will fail or the mullahs will take over.
John V. Walsh
jw
Wiley
January 28th, 2011 at 9:02 am
Thank you, Justin, for the warning against gleeful anticipation. I recall last year Robert Higgs being interviewed by Scott Horton, and Scott waxed a little giddy about the prospects of a collapse of empire, and Higgs immediately came back with a "Hold yer horses there, young whippersnapper – these types of things do not often end well." Scott, the good man that he is, got the message. Here's to praying this one does end well.
theothercanada
January 28th, 2011 at 10:08 am
The Empire of Terror exterminated 4mil. Vietnamese, they are ready and willing to exterminate at least twice as many to preserve slavery and serfdom in the 21st. century.
bozh
January 28th, 2011 at 10:19 am
don't expect anything good from a revolution in tunis. as long as the structure of society-governace does not change from an inegalitarian, nonpantisocratic-nontimocratic to an egalitarian-etc. one, few benefits, if any, wld arise out of it.
and don't forget about vitiating effects of 'religion' in any society and not just one in tunis.
now if they cld send every imam, mullah, suffi to gaza, we just might see some improvement!
liberranter
January 28th, 2011 at 10:26 am
I agree that the term "unsettling" doesn't apply to these events themselves. Rather, it is, as Justin mentions, HOW such events unfold that are potentially unsettling. A relatively peaceful and bloodless change, the ideal scenario, would, despite initial socioeconomic turmoil and attendant hardships, be the ideal course of events. OTOH, if, as Justin points out, "change" results in a 21st Century Nazi Germany of Stalinist Russia, then we will be much worse off than before and will have proved, conclusively, that George Santayana's most famous maxim is an immutable anthropological law.
bogi666
January 28th, 2011 at 10:31 am
And what were the titles of the wars your gun toting blustering loud mouth substitute penis fondlers stopped.
liberranter
January 28th, 2011 at 10:31 am
The guns are of little value. Good neighbours are better.
Yes, indeed. However, given the self-imposed disconnect and isolation most Americans have imposed upon themselves as a result of more than a half century of rootlessness and the resulting near disappearance of the tight-knit communities many of us knew in our youth (the result, to a great extent, of the bankster-created "cheap mortgage money as a birthright" phenomenon that has recently come to so much grief) , one wonders how successful mutual trust and cooperation among neighbors will be when TSHTF. OTOH, maybe the coming collapse will be the necessary catalyst for restoring our lost sense of community. A beautiful silver lining to a very dark and ominous cloud.
liberranter
January 28th, 2011 at 10:35 am
Spot-on. Still I offer a prediction: hordes of cashiered and dispossessed former cops and soldiers will become as much of threat to society without their erstwhile official empowerment as they were when they had the state's blessing and sanction. A junkyard guard dog is still dangerous even if he's no longer owned by a junkyard owner.
bogi666
January 28th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Not to mention the 3 million Cambodians by Pol Pot the CIA installed leader who replaced Prince Sihanouk who was able to keep Cambodia safe from the USG and Vietnam, a real tightrope. The USG complained when the Vietnamese went into Cambodia to stop Pol Pot's slaughter and the USG complained about it because it wanted the slaughter to continue. Just confirms that Pol Pot was the CIA's man there.
liberranter
January 28th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Funny that Raimondo would praise Nouriel Roubini and lump him in with “the Austrians’ since Roubini’s resume includes Harvard, Yale, the IMF, the Federal Reserve, the World Bank, the Bank of Israel, Bill Clinton’s senior economist for the Council of Economic Advisers, and the US Treasury Dept. as a senior adviser to Timothy Geithner.
Yes, that jumped out at me too, like suddenly seeing a stripper in Saint Peter's Square.
Justin, I hope you meant to imply "Noriel Roubini and libertarian/Austrian school economists." In NO WAY can Roubini be considered an adherent of either philosophy.
bogi666
January 28th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Thanks Grady, I knew their was something screwy about Justin's narrative and you articulated it well. His syncopate lemming followers just continue to march off the cliff that Justin leads them to without question sometimes, mindlessness I think describes it.
eric siverson
January 28th, 2011 at 10:44 am
I'am not sure the Arab world is revolting against thier dictators becuase they want more democracy . I think they are complaining becuase thier goverenments has been lying to them all the time . The Islamic world wants more reiigous leadership not democracy . Someone that they can trust more than thier greedy leaders .
bogi666
January 28th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Government spending on the Pentagon protection racket scheme of 'fund US, the Pentagon, protection money or else……..' with borrowed money is the spending you're referring to, of course. You're right about turning off the spigot, that's what ended the Vietnam atrocity.
GradyWilson
January 28th, 2011 at 10:57 am
You Johnny are, as usual, propagating the standard Republican talking points by blaming the economic collapse on simply 'too much gov spending'.
The truth is that there would have been NO economic collapse if Glass-Stegall regulation of banking been maintained and had not the Commodities Futures Modernization Act been implemented. These "free market reforms" (under Clinton) legalized derivatives, CDO's, and the other 'the commodization of debt' . This debt was completely created by the private sector who were rich and powerful enough to have the taxpayer bail them out while propagating the false narrative through their media empire that it was all 'the gov's" fault while idiots like you soak it up and repeat it ad nauseum.
Robt
January 28th, 2011 at 11:03 am
catchphrase popularized by its Clintonian predecessor: "It’s the economy, stupid.
And another example of the Big Lie becoming history: the charts had actually ben straight up for many months when the comment was made…
JLS
January 28th, 2011 at 11:04 am
What does OTOH mean? I keep seeing that every once in a while but I never did know what it meant.
JLS
January 28th, 2011 at 11:06 am
Yep that's exacty what I was thinking!
Bob D
January 28th, 2011 at 11:07 am
JLS,
At best you are seeing a half empty glass half full. And If you are broke and have no stake in ever being retired or working for anything then you have nothing to lose and can live in your ambitionless poverty the same. Only those of us who have a life in the first place have something to lose. I chose the word "unsettling" carfully.
JLS
January 28th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Yea but don't forget the outrage in Tunisia that started all this-some poor guy couldn't makea living and took to selling oranges in the local market and they arrested him for not having a permit i.e. permission you have to purchase fro mthe government to make a living. When he went to get one they wouldn't give him one and in frustration he poured lighter fluid on himself and lit it on fire. People there seem to be outraged at overbearing government and how it keeps them poor.
Terrance&Philip
January 28th, 2011 at 11:21 am
As I contemplate the mid-East blow up, in spite of the designs and schemes of America's "best" and "brightest, " let me paraphrase Robert Burns: The best laid plans o' mice and neo-cons will always go awry.
Terrance&Philip
January 28th, 2011 at 11:30 am
"…these preening Louis XIVs and Marie Antoinettes are in for a rude shock. "
Respectfully, Justin, did you mean Louis XIVs or Louis XVIs? Both would work equally well. But, while both kings were brimming with hubris, Louix XIV kept his head and Louix XVI didn't
Terrance&Philip
January 28th, 2011 at 11:32 am
Well said. The more complex a system is, the greater its likelihood of failure. To think we could have a global world government (of any form) is just absurd.
Terrance&Philip
January 28th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Anyone with 'nads big enough to say that publicly deserves respect.
I may not agree with him on many things, but on this he hits a bullseye, and ending our one-sided support of Israel would win us some long needed street cred in the Arab world.
San Fernando Curt
January 28th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
As long as they keep us mollified with video games and fatburgers, they're safe. Take my Wii – and I'm on the barricades.
Dudester
January 28th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
OTHO = On the other hand
I believe…
JLS
January 28th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
thank you!
JLS
January 28th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
I don't know Bob, I'm not convinced that our government going bankrupt will be so bad that losing social sceurity won't be worth it. I don't want to live in a police state, even if they give me health care and retirement. I just read this this morning and it tends to reinforce my feeling: http://www.theagitator.com/2011/01/28/l-a-teen-ch…
RickR30
January 28th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
I was skeptic about Rand,. I'm a believer now!
Justin Raimondo
January 28th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Actually, John, a "revolutionary organization" is not required. Look at the fall of the Soviet Union. There was no such organization there. The people simply rose up, as one, in a spontaneous upsurge catalyzed by specific acts of repression, and the example of Poland. In this new age of instantaneous communication, a "revolutionary organization" could well be a bunch of Tweeters and a few bloggers.
I see you write "carry through a revolution," I'm not sure what that means: if it means the end of the regime, then Egypt (and the Soviet example), shows us that "revolutionary organizations" are a thing of the past.
Justin Raimondo
January 28th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Do I have to point out that Roubini doesn' have to be a libertarian or an adherent of the Austrian school of economics to be right on this issue?
sleepy
January 28th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
Yes, and what gets me about the TeaPartiers is that most of them rail against the TBTF banks yet support politicians who refuse to regulate them, and instead propose less regulation and more welfare to corporate America.
Of course, the same could be said about most democrats.
sleepy
January 28th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
I think they want some equality in the economic sphere.
In Egypt there appear next to none religious organizations involved in the uprising.
RickR30
January 28th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
One can't help but hope for a major event to happen. The people finally overthrowing the wordwide political class that has done nothing but serve itself. How many more of these ridiculous elections do we need to have? Candidate X promises improvement and hope, wins, yet turns out to be worse than his predecessor. Lather, rinse, repeat. Again and again and again. In the US and every other country.
After the politcal class is removed, the entire monetary slavery system needs to be replaced. After millennia we are still building pyramids for Pharao and the priests. The vast majority of the earth's polulation has little, a handful have everything. Isn't it time the people stand up and put and end to this? Or are they going to believe yet another phoney Obama (or whoever) speech that is no different than a children's story and has nothing to do with reality?
Whatever happens, the political class and the economical elite deserve whatever is coming to them.
Sam
January 28th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
No every thing is that bad .The internet is a fine thing and millions people worldwide were got out of poverty.It is better to reform the system, by stopping the wars,reactivating the Glas-Steagall law, putting the edge funds and the banks under stricter control, taxing more the international corporations, financial transactions and the richs, what would help reduce the deficits and forcing the green revolution.A radical change with its negative consequences can not be better.
Andrewp111
January 28th, 2011 at 7:26 pm
I expect nothing good to come from these revolutions. I want to see the Egyptian government put the revolt down with whatever amount of force is necessary, because that is the only way to prevent the Islamists from taking power. If Murarek's son has abdicated to the UK, the British should send him back so he is forced to fight. If the Muslim Brotherhood does take power in Egypt, it won't be limited to Egypt. We will be witnessing the birth of the Third Caliphate. If this does happen, it will be like the Iranian Revolution, but much much worse. The new Caliphate will be at war with the USA from the moment of its creation to the moment of its ultimate destruction, just like Revolutionary Iran. But it will be a huge empire with up to 1 billion muslims. It will be the sign that World War III is fast approaching and cannot be averted.
Chad
January 28th, 2011 at 7:33 pm
Six years ago you wrote an article about George Bush's inaugural address, specifically his use of the phrase "fire in the minds of men". Is this what we're seeing now taking place in the world? Is this what must take place before that "New Order of the Ages" can be ushered in? I'm going to quote you:
"The revolutionary nihilists in Dostoevsky’s novel, and those real-life nihilists in pre-revolutionary Russia on whom the characters were based, believed themselves to be agents of progress, destined by History to sweep away the old in the purifying flames of a great uprising that would be the prelude to a new world."
… [Continued]
Chad
January 28th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
"The Marxist and anarchist revolutionaries of Dostoevsky’s day thought they saw history’s "visible direction," although they did not ascribe to it an author. The Bushian innovation is to give his brand of revolutionism a theological theme, substituting God for History – but these are mere details. The central idea is the same: A WORLDWIDE REVOLUTIONARY UPHEAVAL IS NEEDED TO PUT THE WORLD RIGHT, and some men are anointed by history as redeemers." (Emphasis added)
Source: http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2005/01/21/w-a…
wadosy
January 28th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
world war three would be a deathwish christian wet dream come true, because jesus would come back and christians could then start converting jews and murdering those that wont convert.
world war three would be a neocon wet dream come true, because neocons would then be able to use their wonderful nuclear primacy to achieve their benevolent global hegemony, nevermind how many hundreds of millions they'd have to kill in their benevolence.
world war three would be an israeli wet dream come true, because israelis would have successfully expanded their samson option to a global samson option.
a little something for everyone.
good deal.
abiman
January 29th, 2011 at 6:59 am
There is a good possibilty that Army with the approval of and new supplies from US/Israel might hijack this movement and claim to be rescuing the country from Islamist. It will be Iranain revoultion in total reverse. A new face supported by US will do Israeli biddings against Lebanon ,Syria,and Iran. This might be interpreted by Evangoalcholics imbued with the idea of Kings Torah as second coming and might provoke their leaders to prod US to declare war on behalf of Israel to hasten the rapture. Instead of Calipahte , the World might get a Rabbinate alreday in making in Judea and Samara.
MichaelKenny
January 29th, 2011 at 8:22 am
An interesting point to bear in mind is that Bolshevism arose, not out of the depression, but out of the horrors of WWI. No country "went Bolshevik" during the depression. In Europe, at least, Communism had to be imposed by the Soviet Army after WWII. Thus, if there is any sort of extremist exces, it will be to the right rather than to the left.
jackbootstate
January 29th, 2011 at 9:47 am
Well, Mubarak's much earned day of reckoning has finally come. Not a moment too soon. Tunisia was the match that set the Egyptian powder keg off. I especially like what protesters did before they torched the ruling party headquarters in Cairo. They cleaned the place out of its computers, and other stuff, and then set the place on fire. They had it coming for shutting down the Internet in the entire country. Should prove to be a treasure trove of info about the Mubarak regime. Governments of the world routinely pry their way in the private lives of its citizens in countless way, so talk about justice in action.
I imagine Mohamed Bouazizi was thinking as he set himself on fire that nobody would remember him beyond his immediate family and friends. Instead, he's become the Jan Palach of our time.
We'll see just how far this Arab revolt spreads.
Speaking of an old dictator who needs to get his ass kicked the way Mubarak is in Egypt, how about some guy named Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah: http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article245718.ece
Bianca
January 29th, 2011 at 10:56 am
I am not a believer in Tea Party, Johnny in Wi. For one, they trumpet too much government, while avoid the key issue: the so called "government" is nothing more but a wholly owned subsidirary of FOREIGN CORPORATIONS. Does not matter who is elected will work for them. GM, GE, CocaCola, Boeing, name the big corporation, are all FOREIGN, not American. They may cut some foreign aid to impress the gullable. But will in fact work towards corporate goal of using OUR FULLY FUNDED SOCIAL SECURITY for their projects. They will get money for "research", foreign wars, directing politicians. But they are NOT CITIZENS, as their american branches are no different than a branch in China, India, Russia. But their "mother ship" is registered in a tax haven somewhere. They do not care about american people, as these are not the ones they employ. They should be classified FOREIGN by IRS, pay steep taxes, and give a chance to US companies to compete and INNOVATE.
Kim
January 29th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
I saw the demise of USSR from inside. In no case it was "spontaneous upsurge".
It was high treason, the coup d'etat lead by Gorbachev and then Alco-President Eltsin. Both are hated in Russia. Perestroika is called Catastroika, it seems USA will get one too.
Gekke
January 29th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
This could get very bad very quickly if the Suez canal is closed. It wouldn't supprise me if the US/EU/Israel hasn't already drawn up plans to quickly sieze control of that area if necessary.
Carpenter13
January 29th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
"global capitalism" – you managed to get that in there, did you? Bravo. And what is this "global capitalism"? The fact that there are private companies in every country that doesn't want to commit economic suicide? I am sure you hate that, the thought that people who are not you make more money.
Leftists are hilarious. Their socialist lies bring about economic ruin, and they blame it on "capitalism". What caused the financial crisis in the U.S. was the Community Reinvestment Act, imposed on the banks by Jimmy Carter and then made more severe by Bill Clinton. Socialists like Obama stopped a proposed congressional investigation of the Act in 2003. Obama, of course, was an agent of ACORN, the Black "watchdog group" that grew fat from blaming banks of "racism" if they didn't hand out subprime loans to minorities for too-low interest rates. This was part and parcel of the CRA strategy, ACORN and groups like it were funded by tax money to do exactly that.
The socialist United States and the socialist Israel – it was based on socialism and has remained so ever since, being full of Jewish Marxists – control the world and impose the New World Order, where all nations are centralized and controlled by their leftist policies, where there is mass immigration to all Western countries, and nationalism is forbidden – except for Israel of course. Socialists like you, bogi666 (cool with that 666, "mark of the beast!", right?) like to focus only on the fact that there are international companies. LOL As if that would be the cause for the New World Order, and not the socialist politicians who erase our borders, making it possible for some companies to outsource Western jobs to low-wage countries, which forces the rest to do the same or go bankrupt. But I agree, let's stop the international job market – give back the industries to us Westerners, and leave the Third Worlders to create their own jobs. No more "global capitalism," but I doubt the Third Worlders are any happier that way. And you, bogi666, will lose your bogeyman.
I am glad the Egyptians are rising against this Washington-Tel Aviv-loyal regime. It weakens the NWO grip, and anything that does so helps nationalism in the West, which is rising and will sweep away the NWOers who control us through centralization and mass immigration. Go, Egyptians! Nationalism everywhere is a good thing. Stand up for Egypt against the New World Order.
Sam
January 29th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Not exactly . The younger arab world,the majority of the population,wants to be part of the modern world, wishes more social justice,openness, tolerance and freedom. It would be incorrect to equate this with moslem extremism.
Bob Bogus
January 29th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
I feel bad for the Egyptian people.
What has Amerika done for them? It's more like, what has Amerika done to them?
Given tens of billions of dollars to their corrupt, torturing, murdering dictator and made fun of them with pop trash like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVrNV_5LhNE
All I can say is that the Egyptians are overthrowing a dictator. I doubt most Amerikans would have the balls to "walk like an Egyptian."
Bill Stearns
January 29th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
I'm trying to get my brain around what's going to end up happening in Egypt. Is there anyone popular enough who's outside of Mubarak's inner circle and who the military can support? In the end, it's going to come down to a compromise between the military and the masses.
I would imagine that Israel has a contingency plan in place for something like this. Since US aid is already said to be on the table, there's one lever Israel has at its command. Look for hints in the coming days from our Congresspeople as to how they plan to use it.
Justin's throwing in with the Tea Baggers is troubling to me as well. Say that he is right and this is a true, limited government revolution and they end up melding with the mainstream right (i.e. influencing policy on the right to some degree). Where does this leave us small-l libertarians? Basically, it leaves us where we were before 9/11, which was more or less co-opted by a big-government party that was just waiting for the right moment to launch its own assault on our liberties and freedoms, not only to the detriment of us Americans, but to the rest of the world as well. If there's anything that Iraq taught us about right-wing politics it's that faced with an emergency situation the right is less principled and far crazier than the left. I question whether Justin sees this clearly.
In my mind, it's best to stay away from supporting groups and instead support individuals who say and do the right thing.
Regardless, we live in interesting times indeed.
BTW, the financial melt-down started in September 08, not November. A minor quibble.
bogi666
January 30th, 2011 at 6:15 am
Just what do you think NWO means, it means global capitalism, the unrestricted movement of capital between countries. However, when I refer to global capitalism I write from a Biblical perspective, the Beast of Revelations is a system. Since that is obviously beyond your comprehension I won't waste space in cyberspace to continue other to say you wouldn't kn ow a socialist from a communist, from a fascist from a turnip. The only socialists in this country are the PREDATORY CAPITALIST WELFARE KINGS. I have joined them, we both enjoy socialism in the USA and it is for US select few that know how to play the system while dimwits like you pay taxes to support our lifestyles and I THANK YOU VERY MUCH sucker just keep drinking the kool aid.
bogi666
January 30th, 2011 at 7:14 am
King Louie proposed that the wealthy pay some taxes and they disagreed.The wealthy paid no taxes in France then and is one of the reason for the French revolution. The wealthy live off the taxes of the peasant, which King Louie collected and then doled out to the wealthy Frenchmen. If this seems familiar it's because it is. The WEALTHY PREDATORY CAPITALIST WELFARE KINGS, many of which pay no USG taxes, are doing the same thing to the American taxpayers right now BY REFUSING TO PAY TAXES. Their worldwide assets are protected by the USG/MIC, Mafia Industrial Complex, Pentagon protection racket scheme of 'fund US, the Pentagon, for protection or else…….'which has Al Capone smiling in syphilis hell as gansterism has taken over the USG.
SocialismFailed
January 30th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
To call the economic collapse a result of "free-market capitalism" is the height of ignorance and intellectual bankruptcy.
It was the GOVT that created the federal reserve system and granted it monetary power.
It was the GOVT who's job it was to "regulate" and "police" banking.
It was the GOVT that created the limited-liability corporate structure.
It is the GOVT which enacts trade and other regulatory policies which favor large, int'l corps.
It was GOVT which decided to bailout large corps w/taxpayer money
It is GOVT which steals (i.e., taxes) massive amounts of $ from us all
It is GOVT that forces us to do all manner of things we'd rather not
It is GOVT that uses coercion and force in order to accomplish EVERYTHING it does
Grady, you either VERY, VERY IGNORANT or VERY, VERY DISHONEST…you're SO devoted to your socialist ideology that you'll repeat any falsehood and flat-out lie about free-markets in order to make your FAILED ideology look better.
You are the WORST example of intellectual dishonesty I've ever seen–worse than any neocon warmonger.
eric siverson
January 30th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
I think you have got the story half right . Any world goverenment would surely be a failure , but who could force the most powerfull political failure to stop goverening .? Who would they be forced to liston too . It may be very desireable to be this ultimate ruler , making someone feeling almost like a god . I'am almost certian the most powerfull goverenment in the world will not be looking for ways to improve itself , but rather have diabolical plans to correct thier insubordinate citizens .
Gekke
January 30th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Very astute indeed, never realised that song was a message.
peace:)
SuperKraut
January 30th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Thanks, I´ll check it out.
scar38
January 30th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
spot on carpenter – 'a hard wind's gonna blow' when the people get far enuf out front, the 'leaders' are certain to follow. d2nwo scar
scar
January 30th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
ksb29 would that we were neighbors. let's not let boggi666 flummox any but the saddest sheepul – irony? yes – when the day arrives, and it shall, his type will wish they had fine, honest well armed and prepared neighbors. d2nwo scar
Liveload
January 30th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Interesting comment. It's almost like you took the shit straight from John Bolton's ass and are now attempting to re-gift it.
frankbeuken.com
February 15th, 2011 at 4:01 am
So true. I wrote an article on it as well and yes the west needs to be careful not be thrown back to the middle ages.
Interesting is to see that Berlusconi (a so called european dictator) needs to come to trial. The judge ordered this after mass demonstrations in the country. So it is some kind of an uprise.