I’ve spent more than a few columns predicting that the so-called tea partiers – the grassroots populist movement that has our liberal elites in a frothy-mouthed lather – will be logically led to call for major cuts in military spending – and, by the sheer logic of their anti-spending, “anti-government” position, eventually come to challenge our foreign policy of global intervention. The other day, as I listened to a fascinating panel discussion on Warren Olney‘s KCRW radio show To the Point on defense spending and deficit reduction, I had the distinct pleasure of hearing my prediction come true – a lot sooner, I have to admit, than I ever imagined.
The participants were Hendrik Hertzberg of the New Yorker, William Hartung of the New America Foundation, Stephen J. Walt, a professor of foreign affairs at the Kennedy School of Government and author of The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy, and Chris Littleton, co-founder of the Ohio Liberty Council and a committed member of the “Tea Party” movement. Go here to listen.
The program opens with Olney wheeling out that famous Eisenhower critique of the military-industrial complex, and Hertzberg noting that Ike said this while he was on his way out, not when he was in a position to do anything about it. Hertzberg went on to say that the reason for the reluctance to cut the military budget is the fear of being thought of as “soft on defense.” Oh sure, he continued, there are some “heretical” Republicans, like Ron Paul and Rand Paul – but the latter, as far as Hertzberg seems to know, “stopped uttering” those “heretical words” after he got the Republican nomination. Seems like Hertzberg is not a reader of this column, otherwise he would know that there’s a third chapter to that story, because in one of the first interviews he gave after being elected to the Senate, Paul the younger clearly said defense – and our be-everywhere-fight-everyone foreign policy – is on the table.
It was hard to miss the faint albeit clear note of condescending disdain in Hertzberg’s tone when he spoke of the Pauls, no doubt based the assumption that they’re marginal figures with little influence beyond their own movement, which is why I imagine he must have been thunderstruck upon hearing what the next guest had to say.
Littleton, when asked if the
military budget could be and should be subjected to cuts, was emphatic:
The Pentagon, he said, has to be cut. “Not should be – it must be.
It is a fundamental necessity.” Yes, said Olney, but what about national
security? Littleton’s answer went right to the heart of the matter:
we need to look at our foreign policy, and completely reevaluate our
present course. “Why,” he asked, “are we still fighting the Korean
War? Why do we have troops in over 150 countries? We have no business
playing world police: let’s get out of the world police business.” Financial solvency is a national security matter.
Olney, clearly a bit surprised at the vigor and conviction of Littleton’s anti-interventionist views – coming from a professed conservative, or, at least, a non-liberal – asked how many of his fellow tea partiers would agree with him. Littleton was quite upfront about the division this creates in his ranks: “This is a split issue for a lot of people in the tea party. There’s a pretty significant divide.“ He went on to characterize the interventionist faction as being tied to the Republican party machine (hello Dick Armey!), while the more ideological types – i.e. libertarians, constitutionalists, and other grassroots activists uninfected by the neoconservative spore – want to start dismantling the Empire and return to the old Republic.
The reaction from the other guests – all of them conventional liberals – was quite interesting. Hertzberg’s disdain was palpable. He proffered that “It’s unusual for me to be agreeing with a member of the tea party,” and hastened to add that his reasons for being in favor of cutting the military were quite different from Littleton’s: “It isn’t because we don’t have the money: I believe the money should be spent elsewhere.” Government, it appears, must never be cut: and if, by some chance, it is cut back, then it must grow somewhere else. The defense establishment is an anachronism, he argued, based on outdated cold war assumptions. But this argument is itself outdated, for the new American militarism is clearly devoted to fighting guerrilla insurgencies and maintaining occupations, as in Iraq and Afghanistan. Hertzberg also referred to “libertarian isolationism” as if it were some exotic disease.
While Professor Walt basically agreed with Littleton’s arguments, he distanced himself by saying that “I wouldn’t go that far” in terms of scaling down America’s overseas commitments. That’s what was most striking about this little session: the libertarian was the most radical, the most willing to challenge the comfortable assumptions of both left and right, and easily the most optimistic. The overwhelming sense one got from the others was that change would be next to impossible: only Littleton appeared optimistic – and determined.
Littleton is not some isolated individual, he is one of the leaders of a statewide coalition of some thirty tea party groups in Ohio, and there are many thousands like him. The ideological tables are turning, and today it is on the right, not the left, where the action is, where the ferment is, where the challenge to the conventional wisdom dares raise its head. While it is true that some of the most militaristic, nationalistic, and downright unpleasant elements in American politics are to be found on the right side of the political spectrum, there, also, are some of the most hopeful signs of growing resistance to the Warfare State. This is a paradox all too many “progressives” cannot get their minds around, because it defies the dominant left/right paradigm – a way of looking at the world that is outmoded and irrelevant, but, like many dead and useless ideas, persists way beyond its expiration date.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Up Against the FBI – May 23rd, 2013
- Antiwar.com vs. the FBI – May 21st, 2013
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013





Johnny in Wi.
January 11th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Justin: Great essay! I have been saying the same thing here, before you were. I have just read a couple internt discussions in which it is alleged that the killer out in Arizona's mother belongs to Congresswmen Giffords Reformed Temple. Is this true and if it is will there be egg on some peoples faces? Whether it's true or not everything I read makes him a misfit not a conservaitve or libertarian. That hasn't stopped them from smearing people.
JLS
January 12th, 2011 at 12:02 am
I agree with Johnny, great essay Justin! The old outdated and increasingly irrelevant dichotomy of left/right is giving way to the new one of authoritarians versus people who believe in freedom.
sherban
January 12th, 2011 at 12:12 am
Justin,i think you delude yourself.However,if will be so easy to change America direction,where is the Zionist with their almost absolute power which ,according with Walt and many,many others,put US in this track?
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toivos
January 12th, 2011 at 1:33 am
It is true Walt said he wouldn't go as far as Littleton but he did describe his reaction on his own blog. He is quite intrigued and feels that these indications coming from the right could be very positive for the national debate over US foreign policy. As do many of us.
bogi666
January 12th, 2011 at 3:30 am
Admiral Mullen declared in August 2010 that the national debt is a threat to national security, while it is the Treasury bond proceeds for the national debt that funds the Pentagram, a threat to national security, to protect US from threats to national security. This is nonsense of course, and the only sense the USG/MIC, Mafia-Industrial-Complex, has is nonsense without which it would have no sense at all. The purpose of the Pentagram/DHS is to protect the worldwide assets of the INTERNATIONAL CORPORATOCRACY PREDATORY CAPITALIST WELFARE KINGS, many of which pay no taxes when they should pay more, for the Pentagram protection racket scheme, 'pay us 'forced contributions', withholding taxes, for protection[Pentagram funding, a threat to national security] or you , your family and property will be destroyed.NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION.
Montaigne
January 12th, 2011 at 5:43 am
I also liked the article very much. However, instead of focusing on some ideology, be it left or right, I strongly feel, that it is human dignity you should appeal to most of all. Not savings, but the values from it.
Spin and modern politics uses – and abuses – human vulnerability, like blind fears. submission to authorities, conforming oneself – and cashing in from other people doing the same. A population of robotic sheeps are easier and cheaper to handle, but the advantage from that comes at the cost of losing any meaningful, genuine, private life.
Social order comes from the fragility of human senses and body. It might be seen simply as a necessary evil. So the lesser the better. Which means that when it is based on free convictions and sense of rights, it is just and not a burden to most persons. However, when it is based on self-declared authority from the presidency and authorities – WHATEVER THEY DEEM NECESSARY AT ANY MOMENT – and spin to control opinions and debates, you destroy simply the very legitimacy of the social order. The natural one is lost, and a phony one is upheld. Which means that you destroy the possibility of a natural balance.
So when any crisis arrives, there is nothing to fall back to. And since everybody clearly can see the economic catastrophe from living on faked money (including faked certainty of derivatives) MUST be coming, it is VERY dangerous to rely on spin, control, power, and submissive robotic behaviour of the population to create safety.
100 years of the Philippines, and it is still a vulnerable and weak society. Now take the US with a much GREATER dependence of a well-functioning economy!
From this perspective it is not so much a question of cutting some expenses, as it is to cut the dependence on spin and control. Up till now MORE control has been the cure. But just like the missing real dollars, the missing real conviction, missing respect of humans, missing respect of laws, missing respect of accountability are – to any real person – VERY ALARMING SIGNS OF A CRISIS OF LEGITIMACY. With that goes e.g. a peaceful market economy, peaceful relations with other states, personal confidence, lasting values – and a meaningful life for EVERYBODY.
Andrew
January 12th, 2011 at 5:49 am
I want to know how the Libertarians would deal with the Road System for example. Currently that is funded out of taxation. Would you continue that model or would you farm it out to priavate corporations for their profit? How would they profit? Every road becomes a toll road? Vehicles have to have ransponders in them so drivers' actual use can be billed to each individual driver? Please explain how this single problem would be handled. Or point me to a site where the specifics are considered.
bozh
January 12th, 2011 at 5:59 am
substitute the magic words "defence" spending with the accurate "offence" spending and the picture appears clearer.
but, if planet belongs to u.s. masters of people-warfare-healthcare-information, then, it makes sense to call military spendings, "defensive" spendings.
after all, if u own the store, u need also to guard it. there r just too many thieves out there who want to rob the store.
this is 4c-old u.s. policy. its duopolic [dems-repubs against public and unelected opposition] governance is not going to change this policy.
give up on u.s. dream? why? what gives people the idea? and with even china is shaking in its boots!
give up on greatness of america; its destiny; its inalienable rights to lecture, conquer, smash, spread americanization, american god, culture, etc?
keep on dreaming. i am gonna keep on nightmaring; along 70% of other 'aliens' on this planet! tnx
GradyWilson
January 12th, 2011 at 6:10 am
"The ideological tables are turning, and today it is on the right, not the left, where the action is……. …… the dominant left/right paradigm – a way of looking at the world that is outmoded and irrelevant. – JR
So Justin praises the right, disses the left, then goes on to condesendingly pronounce that the "left/right paradigm is outmoded and irrelevant" – in the same f'ing paragraph! Do you have an editor? Don't you realize that these are contraditory statements?
btw the Pauls are indeed marginal figures with little influence beyond their own cult like followers. Not passing judgement on this – just acknowledging a truth. The warmongering Dick Armey Tea Baggers are the dominant majority – don't wag your self righteous "I told you so" finger about the Tea Party advocating non-interventionism just because a small minority say that Pentagon spending is on the table. The Tea Party REPUBLICANS offers no threat to the US military empire. None. Just like the few anti-empire Democrats offer no threat to the US military empire.
Notice no one from the anti-war left was present at the radio discussion to which Justin refers. These people (of which there are many) do not exist in his world view. To him mainstream establishement status quo centrists are "the left".
Johnny in Wi.
January 12th, 2011 at 6:17 am
Grady: I thought you would take today off to celebrate Rush Limbaugh's 60th birthday. The right may have a lot of problems, But we are still the people who do most of the work and pay most of the taxes. We hate taxes and wars require a lot of money. Sooner or later that fact is sinking home with more, and more, conservatives and libertarians.
GradyWilson
January 12th, 2011 at 6:29 am
No its no "sinking home" Johnny. I wish you were right – but you are not. Remember when you predicted the demise of Bill Kristol? Well he's still standing – stronger than ever. There is no threat to the empire from the Republicans or the Dems. You and Justin are simply being useful idiots by pimping the Republicans (Tea Party).
btw – the right loves wars, loves the flag, and loves the military. The right does not "hate wars". Quit lying. For example what % of the military itself do you think is conservative?
GradyWilson
January 12th, 2011 at 6:36 am
Quick search:
"Military Times found that 57 percent of those surveyed consider themselves Republican, while 13 percent identified with the Democrats. Among the officer corps the numbers were different. Nearly 66 percent of officers considered themselves Republican compared with 9 percent Democratic. Nearly 30 percent of those surveyed by the Military Times declined to answer the questions or said they were independent."
The warmongering US Military is more conservative, more Republican than the general population but Johnny and Justin like to pretend that the right "hates war"? Talk about cognitive dissonance. You libertarians are truly living in your own private Idaho.
A fan
January 12th, 2011 at 7:41 am
Littleton is right about the militarism. But the tea "party" as a (w)hole will prattle on as the money behind them directs.
bozh
January 12th, 2011 at 8:29 am
u.s. democracy=best fascist governance imaginable. in which complaining is not only legal but also desired by the clerico-noble people.
what u guyz need is a timocratic-pantisocrtaic system of rule; in which a rule wld amount to being tutorial-guiding-teaching and not diktatorial as now!
swiss may be on that path?! if so, u can expect that most 'democracies' wld attempt to put an end to its progress!
stop bitching! it ain't gonna do a thing for u. start electing people to congress. disregard all other advice: such as, withhold tax, march, protest.
recall, please, that clerico-noble people also wage ignorance, poverty, etc., w.o. which there cannot be warfare or a rule by 'law'; i.e. diktats!
liberranter
January 12th, 2011 at 8:59 am
That's a complex issue and there have originated several theories as to how this would best be accomplished. Here is one person's plan for how this could proceed.
MrLiberty
January 12th, 2011 at 9:51 am
The real question will be how firm they will stand their ground after the next false flag event that our government stages. This cornered rat will not go quietly. Talk of a base closing in some non-descript nowhere may bring a "terrorist" attack on the american contingent there. We all know that Ron Paul is up to the task, but is everyone else? That will be the true test of their resolve.
Bianca
January 12th, 2011 at 11:44 am
Let's not be hasty. The clearly troubled young man, barely out of his teenage years, is not the issue here. Issue is not his political affiliation (as if disturbed people ever have one), nor his mother's affiliation. There is, however, an undeniable toxic brew of violent pronouncements coming exclusively from certain ranks on the right — the neocon infected Republicans. These are, unflinchingly, for bigger empire, even if that means bankrupting us all at home. I am convinced that the kind of rhetoric that comes out of their mouths can, will, and did affect troubled people into committing violent acts to releive their own anguished soul. Let us not, please, attack those who see evil in the public calls for executions of everyone who is against their politics. Let us unite in condemning all that call for violence. As for the "liberals", I feel nothing but a contempt. They are wedded to the status quo, and will keep silent in the name of protecting it. But the Littletons of this world are yet to learn what they are up against should they choose not to be coopted.
Bianca
January 12th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
My heart sinks hearing people extoll the virtues of Rush Limbaugh. He is a mouthpiece of what we call transnational corporations, but the real name should be FOREIGN corporations — or better, anti-American corporations. Most of today's giants that call themselves American, are no more. They are run by transnational cabals, and their only interest in US is get all the benefits, while paying no taxes. And we are going along like sheep. These should all be classified by IRS as foreign corporations, and pay taxes accordingly. They should not be funding political processes, getting contracts using public money, especially no military contracts. They are hiding behind the skirts of our battered small businesses, while killing them in the process. We need to tax them, relieve most of the small businesses and farms of ANY taxes, and get the innovation and inventiveness of american society going again.
Montaigne
January 12th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
Yes, it is a self-declared responsibility . and of course competely, I mean COMPLETELY – without responsiblity.
Certainly that is the safest path towards the future, If not of real humans, then of fakes like those FEATURING US world view. And if it does not result? Well, then, nobody ever claimed anything of substance from this non-existing entity into which Americans have painted themselves.
Fakes, declared fakes, and babbling fakes. THAT IS AMERICA! The worlds foremost liars and fakers! What a swift degeneration of the people have emerged! From Nürenberg against into today honouring the princ9ples of OBEDIENCE and NON-WORTHINESS of citizens.
Johnny in Wi.
January 12th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
Bianca: There is absolutly no connection between this chap and any rightwing groups. That doesn't mean that there never will be such an incident. It also has nothing to do with the right of political criticism. The left is always more dangerous than the right in political matters. Wilson, FDR, and Johnson used the FBI like their personal gestapo. They libeled great Americans like the America First Committee as traitors. All these speech codes now being pushed by the left are just an attempt to surpress their opposition. The McCain Feingold Act was also nothing but an attempt to silence the oppostion to the leftwing agenda. The left neve rhas any rational answers on economic matters and dam few on foreign ones. Thats why they make worse totalitarians than any rightwing regime.
MvGuy
January 12th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Thank you bozh for CORRECTLY identifying the [DREAM] as the NIGHTMARE it has becum…!!!
"So we lie torture and MURDER…. Yes we do, but it is all for a good cause….. Our hegemony….. You WILL submit or YOU will suffer…!!!"
johnc
January 12th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Is the rank and file of the US military "more conservative, more Republican" or the leadership? I think it is the former, though 'conservative' and 'Republican' are not necessarily synonymous. And aren't terms like "left" and " right" obsolete abstractions.
Mezenc
January 12th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
I'll vote for anyone who will stop these wars.
MvGuy
January 12th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
An old friend of mine sent me a photograph of the teapartiers in Pennsylvania……… out in force.. The only signs visible that they were carrying were the Marine's coiled snake "Don't tread on me" 'flags'…..
Nothing about taxes…… or Freedom…… And all their talk about the constitution…. they are upset at the penalty for not having health insurance…… it's the same way with their guns……the "What ME Worry" attitude of the gun tottin cowboys and their concealed carry goombahs…… Who is going to pay the tens of MILLIONS in damages that Jared Loughner caused..?? One thing is sure……It won't be him, or his parents……It will be you, me…. US that PAY…….Sorry, He's gun-nut exempt….. Maybe there should be insurance required for gun ownership… Maybe people should have to insure their BODIES too… So they don't flip a motorcycle at 100 and stick the local hospital with the bill. for ??? $25O,OOO.OO or $35O,OOO.OO— that the hospital…the government….US have to pay………… like happened here where I live….P.S. he was an illegal immigrant Brazilian….
Of course all the citizens will be paying for a long time for all the military macho folly of the gung-hos and their neocon pals…. for EVER….either in money or prestige….. It didn't need to be this way…..
LeftistsAreMorons
January 12th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Libertarians are the ONLY people who, on principle, reject the use of state violence to achieve societal good.
This is why leftists can never be counted on to be consistently antiwar…they LOVE using state power to impose their rule/ideas on others…this is the SAME basic philosophy which underpins warmongering: "Might Is Right".
GradyIsAfag
January 12th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
If the Pauls are "marginal figures" what does that make your hero Dennis Kucinich?!!
BWAHAHAHHAAAA!!!
F*ckTheLeft!
January 12th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
Leftism is just as big a threat (if not bigger) to peace, prosperity, and freedom as neoconism and should be viewed by ALL libertarians as an enemy ideology to be defeated and assigned to history's sh*tcan where it so richly deserves to be after a century of MASSIVE FAILURE.
Libertarians should NOT, under any circumstance, consort or ally themselves w/Leftists sh*tstains…don't allow them to gain legitimacy by standing next to us, don't share the stage w/these aholes, don't compromise with them!
We've been PROVEN 100% right about EVERYTHING and these jerks have been 100% WRONG…every problem in America and the world can be attributed to the Left's STUPID idea that utopia can be created by giving more and more power to govt.
F*ck 'em–f*ck 'em hard straight up the wazzoo!
Heathcliff_Maw
January 12th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
I am a liberal who happily agrees with Mr. Littleton and I don't think the money needs to be spent elsewhere.
Thank you, Justin, for acknowledging that the Tea Party is not completely a grassroots movement. It seems to me that Mr. Littleton represents the smallest of three groups of Tea Partiers: the Republican partisans, those with blind rage, and grassroots ideologues. I hope I have that backwards.
On the hopeful side, some veteran members of Congress from both parties have made statements about the need to cut military spending.
Heathcliff_Maw
January 12th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
A point to all those who keep talking about "the left" and "the right": If you think everyone must fall into one of two tribes, then you are simplistic and wrong. Besides, those are very vague terms that are used in different ways. For example: I am a liberal, but I don't consider myself a leftist because, to my mind, a leftist is either a socialist or a communist–two very illiberal philosophies. Is it fair to lump libertarians in with big-government Republicans and fascists?
We tend to get too hung up on labels and cheering for a side when what we ought to be doing is figuring out the truth and what policies make the most sense.
Heathcliff_Maw
January 12th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
If you think liberals are wedded to the status quo, then you have been misled. Just as you would not want to be confused for a "neocon infected Republican," you should not confuse Democrats for liberals. Visit FireDogLake.com and learn how liberals really feel. They are pissed off that Obama is a lackey of the status quo and essentially just like Bush. They are the most under-represented people in the country.
Montaigne
January 13th, 2011 at 5:43 am
Quite an unusaul angle, could you give some links or elaborate?
GradyWilson
January 13th, 2011 at 5:54 am
"Is it fair to lump libertarians in with big-government Republicans and fascists?" H_M
It is when they are openly praising the Republicans (Tea Party) like Justin and many libertarians are doing. Look at Johnny in Wi for ex – he's deceitfully praising Republican Presidents as opponents of US empire and Justin always is talking about getting the GOP "back" to some fictitious era of Republican non intervention.
Libertarian Milton Freidman openly worked for the US empire by supporting the CIA backed fascist coup in Chile and Pinochet himself. Libertarian Greenspan has been an important servant of the empire. Libertarian ideology (free markets, private property as sacred, no limits on capital, etc, etc.) is the foundation of the US fascist military empire.
emsnews
January 13th, 2011 at 6:42 am
The right wing always are antiwar if a Democrat is President. The minute a GOP guy walks in the White House, this fades to nearly nothing with only a tiny handful of libertarians being against wars.
emsnews
January 13th, 2011 at 6:44 am
Generally speaking, we should copy countries that are successful. Last time I looked, the Sudan isn't one of these. Why do people romanticize chaos?
By the way, the road running past my New England mountain home was one of the very first toll roads in the US. It is still called 'Plank Road' by the natives. You had to pay a toll to go practically anywhere if you had to use wheeled vehicles. Of course, the new universe of the libertarian means going all over the place, sans roads.
This, in turn, will lead to shoot outs as people try to avoid tolls by running across other people's farms, etc.
bozh
January 13th, 2011 at 8:50 am
u.s. democracy=best fascist governance imaginable. in which complaining is not only legal but also desired by the clerico-noble people.
if we r to dichotomize a system of rule, then, let's paired it as kleptodemocratic and timopantiso-cratic rules.
this view pertains to any constitution. a constitution can be a democratic or so called democratic or it can be a timocratic one.
ruling people in a 'democratic' country, say, turkey, may be fun and games, but who rules the rulers?
with no rules for the rulers [save lying-deceiving-waging nescience-poverty] nor rulers over them, is it any wonder seeing what they do in almost all 'democratic' lands or empires? tnx
sleepy
January 13th, 2011 at 10:33 am
While I agree with much of what you say, I do not think it is just the "right" that loves war, much of the "left" does as well–at least the congressional dems.
I think the real problem in these discussions is the usage of terms "right or left".
The democratic party is every bit as much a war party as the republican party. And I am old enough to remember as an old lefty from the 60's when liberals such as LBJ and HHH were every bit as much of the enemy of anti-war sentiment as the Nixons and Goldwaters.
The interesting thing about all of this is of course, polls show that the majority of Americans of either the so-called left or so-called right want our wars ended and our empire scaled way down.
Neither the dems nor repubs will do it.
Heathcliff_Maw
January 13th, 2011 at 11:09 am
During the first half of the 20th century there was a non-interventionist faction of the Republican party. It was led by Sen. Robert Taft.
There are still some in the Tea Party who are not Republican partisans, but some of those who were not such partisans have since given up on the Tea Party as the rabble rousing wing of the Republican establishment. This includes one of the early Tea Party leaders who left for that reason. I don't recall his name, but it was a story a few months ago. He said the TP had been captured by corporate lobbyists and establishment Republicans.
MoT
January 13th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
Seeing as the vast bulk of what we all pay in fuel costs is actually taxes, both seen and unseen, how could privatizing be any worse than it is today? Our gubmint takes and takes and takes and then spends a pittance doing what its supposed to do. I'm all for going anywhere sans roads if it means one less leg that Leviathan has to stand on while screwing me.
MoT
January 13th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
So true. You remember Humphrey? Good for you. It helps that people go back and actually read what these folks said back in the day when they were still kicking. They were no more "friends" to you or I than a bunch of hungry crocodiles.
Johnny in Wi.
January 13th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Did you ever here of the lesser of 2 evils Garady: Communism is far worse than any rightwing regime. It killed far more people and caused far more misery. I consider Hitler and Mussolini more left than right by the way. I suggest you read the great book Leftism Revisted by Erich Von Kuelthic ledden.
BGD
January 24th, 2011 at 2:57 am
How likely is it that foreign aid (in all its forms) might be considered possible to even discuss as part of this? Specifically, military & economic aid to Israel (and Egypt) for instance, thereby creating conditions that could be more conducive to moving forward on fractious issues in the ME. Also of course military aid to many other nations that allows the US to have semi-permanent bases on their soil.
Obviously a significant part of the TP movement is formed by part of what Mr Buchanan calls "Israel's amen corner" and this issue would possibly shown the fault line running through the TP movement and the wider Republican party.