WikiLeaks Conjures Litvinenko’s Ghost
Leaked cable raises new questions about Litvinenko's 'assassination'
We keep hearing there’s nothing in the WikiLeaks cables we didn’t already know – this from people who, more often than not, are frothing at the mouth about Julian Assange’s alleged “treason” and “anti-American” villainy. Of course, if these cables are no big deal, then the charge of having done great harm to the American empire rings hollow.
These folks are not interested in making an honest argument: they merely want Assange’s head. As Glenn Greenwald has noted, with great disgust, many of these people are journalists, of one sort or another, who have put themselves in the position of defending the keepers of official secrets: the idea that the public has a right to know anything except what our rulers want them to know is utterly alien to them.
Their hostility to Wikileaks, I’m convinced, isn’t due exclusively to any ideological or political considerations, although that factor also comes into play; a major motive behind their dogged defense of the epistemological status quo is, in my view, pure laziness. After all, we’re talking about over 250,000 diplomatic cables, some of which are written in the most insufferable bureaucratese, and all of them studded with nearly-indecipherable acronyms that take a bit of research to translate into plain language. The mere prospect of having to plough through all this gives these slackers (of all ages) the vapors. Much easier to transcribe the current version of the conventional wisdom as expressed by their favored contacts in officialdom, who are more than happy to hand down the party line from on high.
That’s what “real” journalism is, at least according to them: anything less (or, rather, more) is just blogging. Well, be that as it may, in my case I’d find such a methodology incredibly boring, producing far more ennui than I could possibly endure. It’s true that a great deal of the material in the cables is not exactly the stuff of which scoops are made: a missive from Hillary Clinton to the US Embassy in Brazil expressing her “Kudos for Political Reporting” is not exactly a page-turner. However, you have to keep digging, and eventually resisting the temptation to nod off pays off, as in the case of a Dec. 26, 2006 cable emanating from the US Embassy in Paris detailing “an amicable December 7 [2006] dinner meeting with Ambassador-at-Large Henry Crumpton [and] Russian Special Presidential Representative Anatoly Safonov.”
Crumpton is a former CIA station
chief of some renown, who came “in
from the cold”
to become the Bush administration’s special envoy on terrorism-related
matters: Safonov is a former KGB (now FSB) top official who serves the same function
in the
Medvedev regime. In the midst of a rather affable conversation about
the many ways in which the two nations could bring themselves to cooperate
in catching the Bad Guys, Safonov dropped this bombshell:
Putin
“In the course of their exchange, Safonov made the following passing statements: Safonov claimed that Russian authorities in London had known about and followed individuals moving radioactive substances into the city but were told by the British that they were under control before the poisoning took place.”
This is a reference to the infamous Litvinenko incident, in which former Russian intelligence officer Alexander Litvinenko, a close associate of the Russian oligarch-in-exile Boris Beresovsky, was supposedly poisoned with radioactive material alleged to have come from Russia via their intelligence services. For months the British tabloids screamed bloody murder about a supposed KGB/FSB plot, just as they had during the docu-drama over the alleged poisoning of Ukraine’s Viktor Yushchenko when he was campaigning for the Ukrainian presidency and leading the so-called Orange Revolution against the pro-Russian regime.
Longtime readers will recall my extreme skepticism of both these rather fanciful scenarios,which resemble a grade-B movie plot rather than a real life “conspiracy”: the Litvinenko scenario just didn’t add up for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the science of it. The idea that the Russians would leave a radioactive trail leading straight back to the Kremlin is just the sort of improbable narrative Fleet Street thrives on, no matter how fact-free, but the propaganda campaign has to be judged a great success: to this day, the Litvinenko case is cited by Russophobes as “proof” that the Russkies are a horrifically malevolent force in the world.
Yet now we have a genuine Russian spook in the middle of a private, frank, and seemingly friendly conversation with his American equivalent, casually referring to the Russian surveillance of the operation, and indicating some degree of British foreknowledge. It looks like the Russians informed the Brits the minute they caught wind of the plot, and the Brits, in effect, told the Russians not to worry, they’d take care of it. Except they didn’t – or perhaps they did, but not in the way the Russians imagined they would.
There is no record of Crumpton’s reaction, which in itself is telling. Surely if the two had disputed the matter to any great degree, the conversation would hardly have been characterized as “amiable.” Yet there’s nothing in the cable to indicate even a raised eyebrow: no dissent from Crumpton’s side was noted. This is an indication of either Crumpton’s remarkable capacity for restraint, or else it is a fair measure of Safonov’s credibility in the veteran spook’s eyes:
Well then, if the Russians weren’t behind the nuclear poisoning of Litvinenko, then who was – and why did they do it? The Russians, it seems, have a fair indication of the answer to this question, as do the British, but for the moment we are left in the dark. Going over this cable with a fine-toothed comb,we look for some hint, however subtle, some sliver of evidence, however fine, and early on in the Safonov-Crumpton dialogue, we dig up the only other mention of the Litvinenko affair:
“Safonov opened the meeting by expressing his appreciation for U.S./Russian cooperative efforts thus far. He cited the recent events in London – specifically the murder of a former Russian spy by exposure to radioactive agents – as evidence of how great the threat remained and how much more there was to do on the cooperative front. (Comment: The implication was that the FOR was not involved, although Safonov did not offer any further explanation.) Safonov noted the daunting number of countries that posed particular terrorism threats, mentioning North Korea, Pakistan, South Africa, Libya, Iran, India, and Israel (sic?). He described a range of dangers, stressing the more immediate threats posed by nuclear and biological terrorism, but also acknowledging the risks of chemical terrorism.”
The “[sic?]” notation is presumably the work of the cable’s author, Karl Hofmann, former member of the National Security Council staff under the Clinton administration, career diplomat for 23 years, and at that time Deputy Chief of Mission at the Paris embassy. Hofmann’s bewilderment is understandable: after all, the cable was written before the assassination of an alleged Hamas commander in Dubai by the Mossad – and he no doubt missed these Fox News reports on Israeli covert activities in America.
In any case, it could be that in dropping what seems like an incongruous suggestion of Israeli involvement in terrorist activities Safonov was trying to set the stage for the bombshell he was about to set off – and hinting at the Russian view of who the real perpetrators might be.
Safonov has every reason to
dissemble: his bias is a given. Yet by claiming the British warned the
Russians off the trail of Litvinenko’s killers, he is also implicitly
asking – daring – the Americans to examine their own intelligence – signals intercepts, or humint – for confirmation. It’s
conceivable the Russians have the evidence in their possession.
Whatever the truth may be, it’s interesting that the Russophobes have gone on the counterattack by citing yet another cable, also coming from the Paris embassy, in which US diplomat Daniel Fried gave vent to the semi-official narrative pinning the blame on the Russians. Fried went so far as to say Russian President Vladimir Putin – a well-known micro-manager – must have known about the operation. Pure speculation, and not on the same level as Safonov’s assertion of a previously unknown fact, but that doesn’t stop Litvinenko’s widow, Marina, from claiming:
“There is some satisfaction in seeing what we have all known to be true documented so officially, and I would add brutally by being so matter of fact in its description. It brings me a little closer to achieving truth and justice for my late husband.
“For years we have been trying to get the authorities in the west to view my husband’s murder as a state-sponsored crime. Now it appears they knew it all along.”
There seems little doubt it was a state-sponsored crime: it isn’t easy to get one’s hands on Polonium-210, unless you’re a state actor. The question, however, is: which state? Naturally, Marina Litvinenko is blaming her husband’s former employer, but, as we have seen, no definitive evidence tying the Kremlin to the poisoning has emerged – and there are other possibilities.
It’s too much to expect the “mainstream” media will take up these possibilities with any degree of seriousness: so far, news stories on this subject have merely reported the bare facts, as related in the cable, without drawing any conclusions, or, indeed, even asking any questions. That’s why Newsweek was recently sold for a dollar, and the rest of the legacy media is headed down the same road. That’s also why Wikileaks is the wave of the future – if, indeed, there is to be a future for journalism in a free society.
NOTES IN THE MARGINDue to their ridiculous and unprincipled accusations directed at WikiLeaks, I am no longer associated with the Bradley Manning Support Network. To be hounding WikiLeaks for money, of all things, at this particular moment in time – when their leader is jailed, their bank accounts are frozen, and they’re being pursued relentlessly by the US government and its allies worldwide – is not only crazy, it is downright destructive. I have resigned from their “Advisory Board” in protest, and cannot be responsible for the contents of their web site or other public pronouncements.
I want to make clear, though, that I wholeheartedly support the goal of freeing Manning: what he did wasn’t a crime, it was a patriotic act in defense of peoples’ right to know what crimes are being committed in their name and with their tax dollars.
I note, with some amusement, a similar pattern emerging on another front: the effort by a former WikiLeaks staff member and prominent smearer of Assange, to start his own “leaker” web site. It is called “Open Leaks,” but, as it turns out, it isn’t really going to be all that “open.” As one blogger put it:
“Even though the name of the new organization is called ‘Open’ Leaks, they will be far from as ‘open’ as WikiLeaks ever was. The plan is to allow for leaked documents to be submitted. However, these documents will not be published to the public. Instead they will be distributed to other news agencies and outlets for them to decide what is appropriate, legal, and constitutional to publish.”
This is an effort to salvage the gate-keeper role of the legacy media, but it’s a futile rearguard action that will flop spectacularly, as it deserves to: the whole idea of the internet, the sheer beauty of it, is that we don’t need gate-keepers anymore. Technology has rendered these witch doctors obsolescent, which is one good reason for them to hate WikiLeaks with such abandon. Assange is threatening to revoke their meal ticket, and they’re fighting back tooth and nail.
It’s only natural that a government-directed campaign to discredit – and supplant – WikiLeaks, and split its supporters, should enlist those poor doomed creatures we call “journalists.” The seemingly curious spectacle of the media leading an open attack on the First Amendment gives new meaning to the journalistic axiom that one must always protect one’s sources.
A lot of good it will do them. Like King Canute, they command the tides to recede, and still it rises.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Antiwar.com vs. the FBI – May 21st, 2013
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013





Kruxs
December 12th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
A read a op-ed saying, "you wouldn't want to tell people what a married couple do in bed. So, why is it any diffenent for US diplomacy?" Well, it looks like the US has been screwin' everybody's pooch and they didn't want people to know they had crabs.
davidgrayling
December 12th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
Most journalists simply present the bias of their proprietors rather than tell the truth. They engage in dumbing down the electorate, not informing or challenging.
The internet is where the action is and where the truth can be found. For this reason, it will be under severe threat very soon.
We must fight to keep the internet free. If we lose it, we won't be free either!
http://www.dangerouscreation.com
MoT
December 13th, 2010 at 12:17 am
One only need be reminded of the recent "missle" story that went soaring into the skies over LAX only to immediately disappear from the mainstream medias radar screen. So just what in the hell happened?! Curiously, or not, our media mavens are as deaf, dumb and blind as on the day it occurred.
GradyWilson
December 13th, 2010 at 3:48 am
Great column. Although I think mainstream journalists' attacks at JA and wikileaks and support of the state go far beyond simple individual laziness. That description avoids the more uncomfortable truth that the privately owned 'media' is simply a part of the capitalist empire – owned and operated by the same oligarchs who own and operate the gov, the courts, the leading think tanks, the Fed Res, the CFR, etc, etc.
The media problem is institutional and systemic – not to merely due to individual laziness. Laziness and deference to power are simply attributes which the media seek in their hiring process.
Andrew
December 13th, 2010 at 4:12 am
Regarding OpenLeaks (sic) – it is ironic/amusing that the people behind it complained that Assange was using the media for self publicity. Where did these 'disssidents' do this? In the meeedja!
felipeb
December 13th, 2010 at 4:31 am
!Justin's faith in the purity of wikileaks is touching. His belief that a single soldier had access to the secret files of multiple departments is more touching. His faith that 300,000 documents could be vetted without the resources of a government is most touching. Indeed Justin seems a tad touched, while at the same time, out of touch.
jojo
December 13th, 2010 at 5:36 am
Justin: This WeakieLeeks media watch is soooo much like the media take as/in the 9/II attacks. If Wikileaks were Genuine–the media would have skipped the issue and kept up the bullsh!t on CO2 Goble warming Climate fear.
Julian Assange has taken over from Osama Bin Liedone. The man is not on the no fly list, tells months in advance of releases and he is not CIA dead/arrested.
Julian broke into USA military computors and got off scot free–others are rotting in jail for lesser crimes. Sweds fine on Julian was $750–( get this charge " SurprizeSex charge)–instead the jerk gives himself to the Brits, insrtead of paying up.
It's another Scam Justin,just like like your take on Arabs with Box cutters did 911 attacks
Both are B movie plots and you got suckerd royally ( could it be Israel's directors again on the B movie plots?)
Prinzowhales
December 13th, 2010 at 7:32 am
1) Safanov found out all he needed to know about the depth of American knowledge regarding British intell involvement in the murder of Litvinenko by Crumpton's presumed (from the cable) silence when faced with this information bombshell. One has to wonder why Russia did not lay this card on the table when it stood accused of being behind L.'s poisoning.
2) The arch-swine–Senator Jay Rockefeller–and his fellow porkers have a 'Patriot Act' for the internet…If you follow the grisly trail of these mass murdering villains, you'll see that with every 'terrorist' attack on America, they are ready with a bill to grab more power and violate the rights of the people…the Wikileaks 'terrorism' is no exception.
3) If Hoffman is questioning why Israel would be on a list of terrorist states with his" (sic.?)" He has to be dumber than a bag of hammers. Israeli terrorism did not start with their attacks in Dubai, nor with the assasination attempt on the Palestinian in Jordan by poison…or with their attacks in Lebanon or Egypt–see the Lavon Affair….
I. Susanin
December 13th, 2010 at 8:17 am
Litvinenko's "private" employer Platon Yelenin, in a previous life organized criminal Boris Berezovsky, had access to various materials through his criminal network. And in my opinion he was behind the death of the rogue intelligence agent(Litvinenko). He was a sacrificial lamb in Berezovsky's private conflict with Russian Government bureaucrats that do not allow his criminal "Empire" in Russia to continue.
And I believe US Government officials knew/know this quite well.
Ozymandias
December 13th, 2010 at 8:34 am
Every man, woman and child in the USA should be forced to see this video from beginning to end [if they can manage to concentrate for 57 minutes?]
http://svtplay.se/v/2264028/wikirebels___the_docu…
and then to ask themselves whether Wikileaks should be so hounded and pilloried – and also to ask themselves what it is about their country that makes them proud to be an American
muggles
December 13th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Justin seems to be overly harsh re: the Bradley Manning Support Network. After all it is currently Manning who is in greatest legal jeopardy over leaking documents. We don't know what Assange or WikiLeaks initially promised the BMSN regarding legal defense.
Also, despite the purported goal of transparancy, I have yet to read of any financial details being reported by WikiLeaks regarding its financial status or operations. All we know is that their normal channels of support have been greatly damaged.
Finally, though we can be cautious about OpenLeaks, as far as I can tell their plan on submitting leaked documents to major media outlets first appears to be in line w/ that of WikiLeaks, which has done the same in most instances. There is nothing wrong with having more than one "leak" outfit.
Seba
December 13th, 2010 at 9:22 am
I like your column
Some links to this thema: http://edjayepstein.blogspot.com/2007/06/who-kill… <a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/34d58dd2-8be1-11db-a61f-0000779e2340,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=http%3A%2F%2 Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2F34d58dd2-8be1-11db-a61f-0000779e2340.html&_i_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ft.com%2Fsearch%3FqueryText%3D%2522Yegor%2BGaidar%2522″ target=”_blank”>http://www.ft.com/cms/s/34d58dd2-8be1-11db-a61f-0…” target=”_blank”>Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2F34d58dd2-8be1-11db-a61f-0000779e2340.html&_i_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ft.com%2Fsearch%3FqueryText%3D%2522Yegor%2BGaidar%2522 (it is an 2006 article in "Financial Times" by Yegor Gaidar "Why enemies of Russia tried to poison me").
Also in the Russian daily "Sovershenno sekretno" appeared recently an interview with Alex Goldfarb about Litvinenko – with some new ideas.
Seba
December 13th, 2010 at 9:22 am
I like your column
Some links to this thema: http://edjayepstein.blogspot.com/2007/06/who-kill… <a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/34d58dd2-8be1-11db-a61f-0000779e2340,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=http%3A%2F%2 Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2F34d58dd2-8be1-11db-a61f-0000779e2340.html&_i_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ft.com%2Fsearch%3FqueryText%3D%2522Yegor%2BGaidar%2522″ target=”_blank”>http://www.ft.com/cms/s/34d58dd2-8be1-11db-a61f-0…” target=”_blank”>Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2F34d58dd2-8be1-11db-a61f-0000779e2340.html&_i_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ft.com%2Fsearch%3FqueryText%3D%2522Yegor%2BGaidar%2522 (it is an 2006 article in "Financial Times" by Yegor Gaidar "Why enemies of Russia tried to poison me").
Also in the Russian daily "Sovershenno sekretno" appeared recently an interview with Alex Goldfarb about Litvinenko – with some new ideas.
Seba
December 13th, 2010 at 9:22 am
I like your column
Some links to this thema: http://edjayepstein.blogspot.com/2007/06/who-kill… <a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/34d58dd2-8be1-11db-a61f-0000779e2340,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=http%3A%2F%2 Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2F34d58dd2-8be1-11db-a61f-0000779e2340.html&_i_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ft.com%2Fsearch%3FqueryText%3D%2522Yegor%2BGaidar%2522″ target=”_blank”>http://www.ft.com/cms/s/34d58dd2-8be1-11db-a61f-0…” target=”_blank”>Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2F34d58dd2-8be1-11db-a61f-0000779e2340.html&_i_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ft.com%2Fsearch%3FqueryText%3D%2522Yegor%2BGaidar%2522 (it is an 2006 article in "Financial Times" by Yegor Gaidar "Why enemies of Russia tried to poison me").
Also in the Russian daily "Sovershenno sekretno" appeared recently an interview with Alex Goldfarb about Litvinenko – with some new ideas.
RickR30
December 13th, 2010 at 9:55 am
Do you have a better perspective of what happened?
MvGuy
December 13th, 2010 at 10:17 am
Mr. Raimondo sees the forest and the trees… This is no doubt one of his attributes that sets him apart from the crowd… He neither throws bombs into crowded venues nor birps politely at civilized genocide. He is an intrepid man for the internet season of reportage…
I am seeing a lot of commentary in manifold niches claiming that WIKILEAKS is a fraud, CIA/Mossad front, or that it is ersatz.
For the folks that think Wikileaks is doing our masters bidding, check out the release of cables buy Al Akbar in Lebanon. They contain the communication of the defense minister Mir of Lebanon conspiring with Israel THROUGH THE AMERICAN AMBASSADOR to invade Lebanon and 'wipe out' Hesbolah.
If you have any doubts, check out what the perps have to say: They don't even try to deny their conspiracy, but claim it is "only" a difference of opinion…. Get that!! and Now the defense chief Mir says, he won't come to Parliament until those that accuse him of treason are arrested… Their hubris tell us what we need to know..!!!
bozh
December 13th, 2010 at 10:52 am
media is part of u.s governance. and possibly by far more important structural member of a system of rule than fbi, cia, police, or schooling.
and all that media says to us is thus legal. we do not need to have a new fact to prove that. wikileaks come and go and soon forgotten, but media remains a supremacistic mouthpiece.
now, am not concluding that that occludes changing u.s system of governance from a much supremacist to a much egalitarian.
whatever changes, media role wld not change. only ownership of it changes. it shld never be in private hands or represent solely the richest people.
actually, no part of governance shld be in private hands. this wld include congress, prisons, army, cia, etc. tnx
Jeff Paterson
December 13th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
The following was drafted with Justin's criticism in mind:
There are some who are critical of my mild criticism of WikiLeaks' handling of their publicly pledged contribution to Bradley Manning's legal expenses. If you missed it, the basis for my recent comments are outlined in our Steering Committee's statement "The Bradley Manning Support Network accepts responsibility for all expenses to defend accused Wikileaks whistle-blower Army PFC Bradley Manning" released December 7. Not surprisingly, it's been picked up as a minor side story by the media. http://www.couragetoresist.org/x/content/view/875…
A few points I would add to this is are:
* The Steering Committee had such a statement under consideration for months, yet as Wikileaks supporters ourselves, it was a statement none of us had any desire to make.
* Last week a Wikileaks' spokesperson incorrectly declared at a public forum that a substantial amount had been donated to Bradley's defense by Wikileaks. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6B05HZ20101…
* That statement triggered renewed interest by the media regarding this, and the Steering Committee decided to finally clarify the situation following another round of outreach to Wikileaks.
* After months of avoiding the subject, I spoke with a Washington Post reporter about this issue on December 6.
* The Steering Committee finalized the statement on December 6 and I released it very early December 7th before going to bed.
* I woke up on the morning of December 7th to learn that Julian Assange was arrested.
As a matter of luck, the timing turned out to be poor. We certainly did not intentionally release the statement in coincide with Mr. Assange's arrest.
Update
On December 8, we were contacted by the Wau Holland Foundation regarding the contribution in question from Wikileaks. On December 9, the Wau Holland Foundation followed up to request documentation regarding the non-profit status of the defense fund and an accounting of funds spent so far. I provided that information the same day. I take that as a very positive development. I was informed that the contribution in question is 15,000 Euro (about $20,000). While maybe a bit less than some had hoped for, it’s a "significant contribution" as pledged. When received, it will go a long way towards paying the remainder of Bradley legal defense expenses.
Personal note
There needs to be international protests against Visa, MasterCard, PayPal, Amazon, etc. In fact, Steering Committee member Gerry Condon is helping organize a demonstration at Amazon HQ in Seattle on Monday. And folks here in the Bay Area have realized that Visa HQ is in San Francisco, and PayPal is down the highway in San Jose. The criminal charges (actually, the non-charges) against Julian Assange are outrageous, if not absurd. If the governments and banks are able to do this to Wikileaks, no future targeted group stands a chance–including Courage to Resist. Having said all of that, my primary role in all of this is to provide aid and comfort to Bradley Manning.
Sincerely, Jeff Paterson – Courage to Resist project director / BMSN Steering Committee
p.s. The Support Network has enjoyed the support of Wikileaks in informing folks about our website and defense fund via their Twitter posts, etc. They also helped promote our nationwide events in September. So it is not true that "Wikileaks hasn’t done anything" to support Bradley.
Jeremiah
December 13th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Government is omnipotent and has far more alert eyes than Argus. Nothing gets by them—nothing. Every bureaucrat in their vast legion of paper-pushers and key-punchers possesses a cast-iron will and an unshakable loyalty to the Homeland (practically demigods, all of them). Everything is under control—forever and always. Incompetence is impossible. Leaks are impossible. Dissent is impossible. The Empire is eternal, and reality is what they say it is, remember?
No, I think *you're* the one who is "tetched" neath your natty Reynolds wrap homburg. Either that or you're part of a really lousy damage-control op.
Jeremiah
December 13th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
And just *what* would the US government gain by releasing mountains of documents highlighting its incompetence, mendacity, prodigality and immorality?
felipeb
December 13th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/december112010…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO45VxqjfJU
The MSM official line about a single soldier hero Bradley Manning accessing secret files from multiple government agencies makes no sense. Nor does the story that the resources needed to vet 300,000 docs could be amassed by a nongovernmental entity. Where is the usual cynical realistic Raimondo? I miss him. He seems to have gotten into some Kool Aid.
Hacklheber
December 13th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
WTF, man WTF??
"the story that the resources needed to vet 300,000 docs could be amassed by a nongovernmental entity."
Yeah, well so far, only a few thousand are out. And if you think "vetting 300'000 docs" somehow needs overpaid government employees, you might want to go out and get a job in a sizeable organization. You might be amazed at what can be done.
Mr. Moto
December 13th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
"Technology has rendered these witch doctors obsolescent"
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Until such time that Dick Cheney (or Joseph Lieberman) shuts down, and takes control of, the Internet.
bozh
December 13th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
yes, my point. which i have made decades ago: media is governance-laws! tnx
Jeremiah
December 13th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
And for that matter, just what would the Israelis gain by calling into question the capability of their primary ally, cash-cow and military proxy?
If this truly was a "controlled" leak, you think they would've a been a good deal more selective in just what they "leaked," wouldn't you? And if WikiLeaks itself has been compromised, why the Afghanistan and Iraq logs, which make the US government look like what it is: a lumbering, fumbling, bloody-handed beast. Wouldn't the way to Iran have been better paved by "leaks" which showed some sort of progress in Afghanistan and Iraq? Which built confidence in the US military as an efficient terrorist-killing, regime-changing, nation-building machine?
Thus far, I see no solid reason to doubt the genuineness of the leaks or the integrity of WikiLeaks. Conspiracies *do* exist—but the world, as some of you apparently think, is *not* one insurmountable conspiracy wrought by omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent governments (which do not exist). I do not understand the appeal of such schizoid fantasies, leading as they do to a state of paranoid paralysis and a practical abdication of one's responsibilities as a being with free will and the capacity for seeking liberty.
MvGuy
December 13th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
WOW..! Nice comment.. "Thus far" I see it just as you do… Besides..!! This is the bare beginning……. The first 3% or some such single digit number…. The mere tip of the iceberg..
Plus, it seems that the leakers are NOT aware of some of the implications of the material…. Some of the Tony Blair stuff appears to me perhaps to have 911 implications…
MvGuy
December 13th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
Oh Yeah……. So many secrets, so many lies… I was looking at your last ten posts.. You written some great stuff……. I really enjoy your posts…… ".just in case one of these denizens of the Islamic world has an I-pod, some clean exploding underwear and a 'helpful well-dressed man' to get them on board an international flight without a passport…" ".Cynthia McKinney is the only one of the candidates from the last election that has shown steadfast integrity…opposing the war, opposing the apartheid regime in Tel Aviv and standing up for Americans who work for a living as opposed to the sons of the Silver Spoon who sit around country clubs and regurgitate the pablum of the Reagan years"…………"The blank look in the face of Sirhan Sirhan and the frothy mouthed Timothy McVeigh crawling around mumbling about 'a chip in his arse' after being stopped on an Oklahoma highway in a tagless car are still to fresh and the distrubing fact that Dr. Jolyon West, the same CIA mind control psychiatrist that attended to Sirhan, attended to McVeigh. ………………..".the oozing "prudence" of GHW Bush resonates with their cowardly spirits.." …………….."Don't forget Ariel Sharon's words with regard to his ministers concerns about 'what the Americans will think'–'Don't worry about the Americans…we controll them and they know it.'…and don't you forget it when you watch Obama and friends to the old soft show (shoe?) across the world political stage. The W key is next to the E key…. Keep up your apt & amusing grumblings…….
Sean2009
December 13th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
Can you give us a few examples of this, and tell us what the media has to gain from exposing the disinformation it has played a leading role in propagating?
Sean2009
December 13th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
Global Research gives the real deal on Wikileaks:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va…
From the outset, Wikileaks' geopolitical focus on "oppressive regimes" in Eurasia and the Middle East was "appealing" to America's elites, i.e. it seemingly matched stated US foreign policy objectives. Moreover, the composition of the Wikileaks team (which included Chinese dissidents), not to mention the methodology of "exposing secrets" of foreign governments, were in tune with the practices of US covert operations geared towards triggering "regime change" and fostering "color revolutions" in different parts of the World.
…Is Wikileaks part of an awakening of public opinion, of a battle against the lies and fabrications which appear daily in the print media and on network TV?
If so, how can this battle against media disinformation be waged with the participation and collaboration of the corporate architects of media disinformation?
robtheother
December 13th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
What the hell happened to you Justin? I have been reading you for what? 8 years now, and I do not see the same Justin. Yeah Justin the MSM never shuts up about wikileaks so they must be straight up, and Osama is still alive but can't afford a decent camcorder. Anyway hope your new $100,000 a quarter is enough too keep food on your table. Maybe you can get a job with CNN then you still have to lie for money, but are guaranteed a monthly check.
jackbootstate
December 14th, 2010 at 2:17 am
"…Their hostility to Wikileaks, I’m convinced, isn’t due exclusively to any ideological or political considerations, although that factor also comes into play; a major motive behind their dogged defense of the epistemological status quo is, in my view, pure laziness….."
Actually, laziness is a term the fits the job description of a mainstream journalist well. Their job is to lazily regurgitate the lies they get from their official sources. Not surprisingly, they get very scared and shrill over something like Wikileaks. They have no commitments beyond the commitments they have to themselves. They're interested in power and privilege and they get really nasty when they think their power and privilege is being threatened.
MichaelKenny
December 14th, 2010 at 5:51 am
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the CIA or someone working for them killed Litvinenko. The Russians would have had to be idiots to do so, since it was obvious that they would be blamed. Interesting parallel to 9/11, where an official "villian" was also designated even before the investigation got started.
MvGuy
December 14th, 2010 at 8:01 am
one always needs to point the dog in the "correct" direction