Defend WikiLeaks – Boycott Amazon
The online behemoth is an extension of the state
A spontaneous movement to boycott Amazon.com, the online retailer, has taken off in response to the company’s decision to kick WikiLeaks off its servers. We at Antiwar.com unequivocally endorse this effort. In spite of attempts by some to claim the company was subjected to a threat “at gunpoint,” in reality, no one put a gun to Amazon’s head. They were more than happy to join the attack on WikiLeaks, as their statement made all too clear:
“There have been reports that a government inquiry prompted us not to serve WikiLeaks any longer. That is inaccurate.
“There have also been reports that it was prompted by massive DDOS attacks. That too is inaccurate. There were indeed large-scale DDOS attacks, but they were successfully defended against.
“Amazon Web Services (AWS) rents computer infrastructure on a self-service basis. AWS does not pre-screen its customers, but it does have terms of service that must be followed. WikiLeaks was not following them. There were several parts they were violating. … It’s clear that WikiLeaks doesn’t own or otherwise control all the rights to this classified content. Further, it is not credible that the extraordinary volume of 250,000 classified documents that WikiLeaks is publishing could have been carefully redacted in such a way as to ensure that they weren’t putting innocent people in jeopardy. Human rights organizations have in fact written to WikiLeaks asking them to exercise caution and not release the names or identities of human rights defenders who might be persecuted by their governments.”
“We’ve been running AWS for over four years and have hundreds of thousands of customers storing all kinds of data on AWS. Some of this data is controversial, and that’s perfectly fine. But, when companies or people go about securing and storing large quantities of data that isn’t rightfully theirs, and publishing this data without ensuring it won’t injure others, it’s a violation of our terms of service, and folks need to go operate elsewhere.”
They couldn’t be clearer: although no doubt Lieberman’s direct intervention contained the threat of government action, this isn’t a case of a private company being bullied by Washington, and complying for fear of retribution. Amazon agrees with the government campaign to shut down WikiLeaks, and they want to do all they can to help.
Echoing the government-Big Media lie that WikiLeaks is purveying “stolen property,” Amazon is making propaganda for the regime and its efforts to take down WikiLeaks. Although it isn’t very convincing propaganda: after all, who “owns” those 250,000 diplomatic cables – or the “Collateral Murder” video, for that matter? Why, the people whose involuntary contributions paid for them, i.e. the American taxpayers. Now, instead of being kept in the dark about the often dangerous and provocative shenanigans our government is up to overseas, the American people have access to what is their property, not the government’s.
Far from stealing anything, WikiLeaks, in effect, returned stolen property to its rightful owners. To argue otherwise is to maintain a deeply statist and proto-authoritarian stance: that the state exercises sovereignty over the people, rather than vice versa.
Amazon’s ancillary argument – that WikiLeaks is releasing information that could conceivably “injure others – has been debunked by none other than Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, who admitted that not s single death can be traced back to information made accessible by WikiLeaks. Instead of “injuring” anyone, WikiLeaks has again and again exposed the vast injury done to the world’s peoples by US machinations worldwide.
Aside from that, the vagueness of this “injure others” doctrine recalls some of the more ridiculous – and repressive – aspects of political correctness, such as campus “speech codes,” effectively used to silence dissenters. During the Bush years, my good friend Lew Rockwell coined a very useful term, “red-state fascism,” to characterize the outlook and methods of the neoconservative-dominated Right,. It is a very useful category that puts the danger from the pro-war “conservative” movement in perspective. Today, however, in the age of Obama, we have a horse of an entirely different color, so to speak, which might usefully be described as Blue-State Fascism.
While the red-state fascist reaction to WikiLeaks has been outright savagery – Jonah Goldberg, to cite a relatively mild example, wonders why Julian Assange wasn’t garroted in his hotel room long ago – the methods of the blue-state fascists are more subtle, and no doubt more effective. Instead of kidnapping Assange and dragging him off to prison like the Israelis abducted Mordecai Vanunu right off a London street, the Obama-ites have launched a campaign to disrupt, de-legitimize, demonize, and destroy WikiLeaks, and deter others from following Assange’s heroic example.
Amazon’s action was a great victory for the blue-state fascists: let nothing “injurious” ever be posted by Amazon Web Services, or, indeed, by any other web host! This principle is being formalized and put into practice by Sen. Lieberman and his allies in the Senate with the introduction of legislation that would outlaw sites like WikiLeaks by amending the Woodrow Wilson-era “Espionage Act” – a statute originally used to jail antiwar activists and close down the anti-interventionist media during that other great war to “make the world safe for democracy.”
In seems fairly clear that Amazon is endorsing the War Party’s hate campaign against WikiLeaks and its founder, Julian Assange and yet some libertarians are busily inventing all kinds of complicated rationales for granting this particular outfit some kind of moral immunity: they’re a private company, they were threatened by Senator Joe Lieberman and the hint of government action (in spite of Amazon’s explicit statements to the contrary), they have cool stuff for sale at cheap prices, etc. ad nauseam.
I suspect this has more to do with admiration for Amazon’s business model, as an example of successful entrepreneurship, than with any of the above. When it comes to libertarians, the valorization of the entrepreneur is often taken to ridiculous extremes, exemplified by the title of Ayn Rand’s essay on “Big Business: America’s Persecuted Minority.” The reality is a bit more complicated, as was often the case with Rand’s historical analyses: as Murray Rothbard and others have shown, big business has consistently agitated for more government controls, all the better to cartelize the economy and divvy up the spoils among the big boys.
No one contests Amazon’s achievement in harnessing the power of the internet and revolutionizing retail sales in the US, and worldwide. However, that is separable from the wrong and downright evil political stance they have taken, which puts them on the wrong side of the barricades in the struggle for liberty against state power.
The threat to the Constitution, and what remains of our civil liberties, has never been greater. What’s needed now in the business community is not government cheerleaders, like Amazon, but fearless opponents of Blue-State and Red-State fascism, such as the heroic Sewell Avery.
Avery was the head of the great retailer of yesteryear, Montgomery Ward, who pointedly ignored the edicts of Roosevelt’s wartime dictatorship, refusing to sign a government-dictated contract with the union. Roosevelt sought to make an example out of him, seizing Montgomery Ward under the pretext of the “wartime emergency,” and sending armed troops to evict Avery from his office. When Roosevelt’s thugs came knocking at his door, Attorney General Francis Biddle had to order them to carry Avery out bodily, and as they did the defiant Avery yelled, “To hell with the government!”
This is precisely what every patriotic and liberty-loving American must say to the state and its agents when they come knocking on our doors: to hell with you! In short, we need less Jeff Bezoses, and more Sewell Averys.
The answer of every freedom-loving American to these attacks must be: To hell with Amazon and to hell with the government. You’re either for liberty, or you’re against it: there is no middle ground.
The controversy over WikiLeaks is a defining issue, one that separates the liberty-lovers from the lickspittles.
Which one are you?
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013
- Boycott Israel? – May 9th, 2013





Willard D. Gray
December 5th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
Justin.. You are completely correct in this most important crusade. We must win. wdgray@shawneelink.net.
davidgrayling
December 5th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
Stand up for your freedom or become a slave. That's you choice.
It's time for us people to stand up, to take back our world from the oligarchs who are running it and running it into the ground.
We've allowed the politicians, the militarists, the billionaires, the corporations, the religious fundamentalists to seize the power, to dominate us. We've been quiet for too long so they've assumed we have no courage, no backbone!
Let's show them what we're made of. The world belongs to everyone, not just a small elite.
http://www.dangerouscreation.com
akaGaGa
December 6th, 2010 at 12:32 am
What's even more infuriating is the hypocrisy of Amazon, who continues to make a profit off multiple books about – you guessed it – Wikileaks. Boycott is the only language they will understand, but honestly? I think the typical American values "cool stuff for sale at cheap prices" more than standing up for a principle.
wisdomdancer
December 6th, 2010 at 12:32 am
Thanks for the column Justin. "The controversy over WikiLeaks is a defining issue" in sorting out supporters for freedom who are actually willing to sacrifice their shopping and/or link referrals for principle, and who are not confused by whether an ideological adversary works for a corporation or the government. After all, corporatism depends on the fascist "partnership" of both, so we shouldn't be surprised. Large firms want to limit risk and increase profits, at others' expense if possible, through the State, if they have no resolve to the contrary. Corporations aren't necessarily the best friends of a free market at all, because that increases competition and risk at the general benefit rather than the benefit of the privileged. Entrepreneurial firms like Amazon start competitive, but soon they become large and calculate ways to curry favor or swing weight around instead of competing for consumers, and it seems that we're in that stage with some of the formerly-admirable tech companies.
It also seems that this debate over WikiLeaks may be the turning point for freedom of speech on the internet. As I pointed out on my blog ( http://bit.ly/gFhWtY ): There is no functional difference between politically sensitive speech being removed because a giant, legalized government bureaucracy regulates the internet, or because officials abuse power to ask web hosting providers to remove it, and they all comply instead of citing legal protections.
At the very least, Amazon's customers should expect Amazon, a business reliant on free speech, to adhere to due process and the gold standard, the first Amendment. Even if we can't expect them to violate the law, we can demand they not act extralegally to support censorship, and we can expect them at the very least to require a court order before they break contract with their own customer.
http://wisdomdancer.wordpress.com/2010/12/05/lega…
We need to change Amazon's calculation that toadying is more profitable, by showing them their customers insist on principles even if they do not.
Ozymandias
December 6th, 2010 at 1:13 am
Delicious that it turns out not to be a bomb that brings down the crumbling Evil Empire – but their own Constitution's First Amendment – which for some reason they find a little perplexing!
Montaigne
December 6th, 2010 at 2:44 am
The aspect, that Wikileaks might endanger persons with their information is probably correct. I read in a newspaper, that had picked up that line against Assange. And they documentet one instance, where they themselves found the person, though his name was removed by Wikileaks.
I couldn't help but point out to the newspaper, that this person was basically endangered, because he was bribed or rewarded, and gave illegal information to the USA. And furthermore, that the person himself had made the actual acts of bringing himself into danger.
Happily other readers could clearly see the insanity of the stance about Wikileaks vs. the real criminal cooperation of the USA and the foreign spy.
It seems to me Amazon.com exactly are driving that line too. Ducking the head in the ground to the actions of their own government and its criminal activities, and playing outraged of Wikileaks indirect role in the dangers creqted by illegal activities of the USA.
In fact these Ostrich manners featured by Obama and his officials, seem to be imitated by leading segments (corporations and establishment) as well. I wonder why most Americans feel comfortable by being represented by Ostrichs instead of genuine humans.
"We do not want LIFE before death, but COMFORT"
Wolfgang9
December 6th, 2010 at 3:17 am
Thanks Julian, we have to stay united helping WikiLeaks! The machinerry which calls itself government of "democracy" is already running full speed to kill all whats remaining of freedom.
We are facing dictatorship by some criminals of politicians. Voting won't help!
W
hardtruth
December 6th, 2010 at 3:24 am
Boycotts succeed when they compel their target to adopt desired practices or desist in undesired ones. What is the goal of the Amazon boycott? What are our demands? Wikileaks back on the Amazon cloud? This needs to be sorted pronto.
Peter White
December 6th, 2010 at 4:05 am
Uh, Justin? If you really are going to boycott Paypal, you might want to perhaps consider the possibility of maybe, just maybe, removing the Paypal link for donations to Antiwar.com
Or, maybe not.
bogi666
December 6th, 2010 at 6:12 am
For the most part tis is a good article with the exception of your Bush like edict, that he pirated from the Bible, you're either for liberty or against it. Bush was parroting the Bible "either you're against Christ or for Christ". Their is another quote in the Bible "if you are not against us you are for us" which doesn't put things into black and white, not so inflammatory and gets the point across. If you are not against liberty you are for it.
bogi666
December 6th, 2010 at 6:16 am
I tried to stop Amazon emails but Amazon wouldn't let me.
Eileen Fleming
December 6th, 2010 at 6:52 am
Correction Required: "Instead of kidnapping Assange and dragging him off to prison like the Israelis abducted Mordecai Vanunu right off a London street"
Vanunu was lured from London -while waiting for the Sunday Times to vet his story after a tabloid published his photo, a demeaning article and a few of the Dimona photos provided to them by a shady 'journalist' who was only out to make a buck.
On 12.12.10 Vanunu is to receive the 2010 Carl von Ossietzky [human rights] Medal in Berlin.
On 11.10.10 Israel again denied Vanunu's right to liberty and denied his appeal to leave the state.
Eileen Fleming,
Producer "30 Minutes with Vanunu" and "13 Minutes with Vanunu"
Author "BEYOND NUCLEAR: Mordechai Vanunu's FREEDOM of SPEECH Trial and My Life as a Muckraker: 2005-2010"
Founder of WeAreWideAwake.org
Staff Member of Salem-news.com
A Feature Correspondent for Arabisto.com
AntiFed1791
December 6th, 2010 at 7:29 am
In my opinion, Amazon has chosen sides. Should they have a sincere change of heart, I might be persuaded to do business with them again.
cowbot
December 6th, 2010 at 7:48 am
Wikileaks T-Shirt / Posters / Webgraphics
"Just Do It" http://i.imgur.com/ZC7mC.gif
"Now We Are Watching You" http://i.imgur.com/sqXWT.png
artistic license / creative commons
Mechanized
December 6th, 2010 at 7:52 am
Justin, by boycotting Amazon you may seriously injure Lew Rockwell's website. Just an important thought to consider.
MK_Ultra
December 6th, 2010 at 7:58 am
Blah, blah, blah.
Boycott Amazon! Yeah! The only way we little people can fight back is with our pockets. Hit 'em bastards where it hurts.
MK_Ultra
December 6th, 2010 at 8:00 am
Ha ha! The bastard even plagiarized from the Bible. Rich!
MK_Ultra
December 6th, 2010 at 8:03 am
Do you not have a "block spam" feature in your e-mail?
Jeff Albertson
December 6th, 2010 at 8:21 am
I've been determined, since about 2003, to avoid purchasing anything beyond necessities, especially anything taxable. I need to work and eat, and I "own" my home, so some taxes are unavoidable. I had purchased a few things from Amazon because I thought the kickback to AWC was pretty nifty, but honestly, I don't need this junk anyway, and I can (and do) stay busy reading for free on the web. I also closed my paypal account. From now on, my disposable income will go towards high-quality, tax-free products from the real North* American free trade zone; Mexico, Columbia and northern California.
*I know that Columbia is not in North America. OTOH, Afghanistan isn't on the North Atlantic.
Mhstahl
December 6th, 2010 at 8:31 am
Why not boycott everyone with a server who never let Wikileaks on in the first place? That would be silly-as I tend to think most boycotts are anyway. The information is out now-there are plenty of mirror sites. What is the boycott going to do, even if it gets traction, but bring more attention to Amazon?
wisdomdancer
December 6th, 2010 at 8:50 am
Show other web hosts besides AWS that they will lose business if they willingly assist the fascists, instead of insisting on due process. You know, so that we still have an internet with sites like antiwar.com in another ten years, if they are anything like the past decade of the eternal WAR ON TERROR.
wisdomdancer
December 6th, 2010 at 8:57 am
1) Lew's made his choice, it seems. He doesn't like boycotts, full stop.
2) The future of free speech on the internet is at stake, because a precedent is being set here and now, in part because of Amazon's footprint in the market, in part because WikiLeaks is the most important, innovative bastion of free speech and investigative journalism the internet has ever seen. The precedent, unless we act, is that web hosts can affect censorship by request without the government having to do anything official at all. No bureaucracy or law will be needed to regulate and control the internet with hosts as compliant as AWS.
RobertB
December 6th, 2010 at 9:13 am
Amazon's statement denying pressure is probably the equivalent of public figures who are fired from their job but inevitably say they want to spend more times with their wife and kids.
RickR30
December 6th, 2010 at 9:15 am
Among all the false dichotomies in politics (democrat vs. republican, right vs. left,. etc) the most ridiculous one would have to be corporations vs. government. That somehow corporate America has a different agenda from the goverment, that corporations despise the government etc. are all a pack of lies. Nothing makes corporate America happier than working with the government, especially if that work entails screwing the people. Amazon is not going to stand up to that demonic imp of lieberman, no other company would. That takes a level of courage rarely fuond in the planet. It would be interesting to know what ties Amazon has with the government.
conumishu
December 6th, 2010 at 9:29 am
What about PayPal then?
Here's a quote from the Wikileaks 4th december press release:
"Yesterday, PayPal, the US based internet banking giant, froze the public donations of whistleblowing publication WikiLeaks. WikiLeaks is entirely supported by donations from the general public, most of which come via PayPal. PayPal issued a concurrent press release saying that it had “permanently suspended” the WikiLeaks account, which is operated by the German charity WHS, under its charter to support the distribution of knowledge."
Oops, the anger spoke first, hadn't finished the article… the hell with them then!
Jan
December 6th, 2010 at 9:43 am
Thank you antiwar.com! Not even LewRockwell.com or FreeTalkLive.com are willing to take this step!
John Uebersax
December 6th, 2010 at 9:44 am
This is not a simple issue. Perhaps Amazon did the wrong thing. But they are still doing a lot of good. (They sell Justin's books, for example.) You have the option of continuing to work with Amazon and donating the money you make from links to WL.
bogi666
December 6th, 2010 at 9:59 am
thank you
bogi666
December 6th, 2010 at 10:07 am
I've been doing what you recommend and with some success. It's to the point where I have a lot more money and have lost some weight. I only buy what is on sale, including markdowns. The only meat I buy is fillet Mignon when it is on sale. The same goes for veggies and salads, well the occasional Ben & Jerry's. I still have more food than i can eat.I buy winter clothes in the spring, summer clothes in the fall, $3 for shirts and pants at Walmart which I don't like to shop at do.
wisdomdancer
December 6th, 2010 at 10:19 am
That's because this is the attitude Lew takes: http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/72…
LRC getting its cut of that "Don’t Touch My Junk! TSA T-Shirt" is surely going to safeguard our freedoms much better than letting corporations like Amazon and web hosts like Amazon Web Services know we demand legally protected free speech for the future. I am actually fascinated that Lew can't imagine LRC being taken offline by a request from Lieberman's staffers in an unfortunate future. Buying from corporations no matter what they support isn't going to steer us away from that future, that's for sure.
Terrance&Philip
December 6th, 2010 at 11:05 am
Tried to access both sites but was unable.
We have met the evil empire and it is us.
Heathcliff_Maw
December 6th, 2010 at 11:53 am
I closed my amazon.com account, my PayPal account and my eBay account. (eBay now owns PayPal.) The first two organizations ask for a reason for closing the account. I cited my support for WikiLeaks and my opposition to corrupt, authoritarian government.
Pepper Di
December 6th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
Just bought four books for Xmas…..none from Amazon.
hardtruth
December 6th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
"You have the option of continuing to work with Amazon and donating the money you make from links to WL."
Yes. And you have the option of mugging an old lady and dropping half the takings in a church poor box.
George
December 6th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
Regardless of political views or whatnot, Amazon has the right to deny providing service to whomever it wants for whatever reason. Like a store that posts a sign "No shirt, no shoes, no service". Its not like there arent a ton of other sites willing to host Wikileaks, i"m sure. Its obvious that this is controversial material, so Wikileaks should just realize that's part of doing business, and go find another host. I'm sure anyone with a legal porn site has the same issues. I don't see what the big deal is.
Strider55
December 6th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
I was wondering the same thing, but you beat me to the "submit" button. Apparently I was one of the last PayPal contributors to make it through the system before the plug was pulled.
I've considered dropping PayPal for a few weeks, given multiple anecdotes I've recently read concerning its hostility to the 2nd Amendment. I think I'll do so now, especially since I don't have an eBay account.
As for Amazon, I'd take its protestations of "no govt. coercion" with an ocean's worth of salt. Does anyone really expect them to send out a press release saying "We're dropping WikiLeaks because Sen. Lieberman and other assorted neocon/Zionist trolls threatened to destroy the business and have the entire board of directors and their families killed if we didn't."?
Jeremy Sapienza
December 6th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
I don't see how. LRC can do what it wants, and we can do what we want. Also, Antiwar.com's primary concern is Antiwar.com. If our action somehow indirectly harms LRC, it's unfortunate, but we do what we think is in our own best interests. Regarding Amazon, that means not wanting to barf every time we see their logo on our site.
We're not part of some libertarian borg.
Jeremy Sapienza
December 6th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
Unlikely, given the quite graphic detail they went into.
Jeremy Sapienza
December 6th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
We're not boycotting PayPal. We're boycotting Amazon. Different companies, you may note.
Anyway, we are looking into alternatives right now for ditching PayPal. There are plenty! In the mean time, we are making sure our balance is far lower than it was before this happened. Clearly, PayPal can't be trusted with our money.
hardtruth
December 6th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
"Amazon has the right to deny providing service to whomever it wants for whatever reason. "
Oh really? Does Amazon have the "right" to serve "Whites Only" in the fantasy world you inhabit?
John_Mohammad
December 6th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
The collusion of Amazon with The Regime is, to me, of secondary importance to the hypocrisy of the Regime itself. While I have no doubt that some of the documents leaked by WikiLeaks will lead to adverse political conditions for the US, my real regret is that documents pertaining to other nations such as China or Russia or any of our real enemies weren't leaked first. Why? Because is, say, a trove of documents relating to, say, China doing exactly the same things we're doing were to surface, the USG and the media would be all over it decrying spying and espionage and all sorts of charges would be levelled against the Chinese and the USG would be screaming for the heads of those responsible. What if China's Secretary of State were found to have authorized the theft of our diplomats' personal information? Do you think for one second the USG would be screaming to have Assange imprisoned and shut down, and our politicians screaming for his death? NO- they'd be heaping praise on WikiLeaks for 'aiding the spread of democracy'.
BUT- when is was our turn, guess what would happen- exactly what's happening now. All of a sudden WL would be a threat to democracy, and Assange would be the Anti-Christ incarnate. This would then definitely give the lie to the USG's position on WL- they can't have it both ways, and to spin it any way other than the original praise would be nothing short of hypcritical on the world stage.
That's the mistake Assange made- not outing documents on America's rivals first, and securing him a place of power in the American mode of thinking. THEN, when all is well and good, he could release the documents about the USG and his position would be much more secure in that it would put the USG in a no-win situation by attacking him.
As it stands, it's just a big mess, but shooting the messenger isn't the answer- not doing the crimes in the first place is the answer. As for the documents being released? If you can't stand the heat, get out of politics.
John_Mohammad
December 6th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
If that's what Amazon was threatened with, then YES they should send it out to every media outlet IMMEDIATELY.
liberranter
December 6th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Does Amazon have the "right" to serve "Whites Only" in the fantasy world you inhabit?
Actually, yes, they do. Extra-constitutional legal fiats preventing them from doing so aside, the reason that they undoubtedly don't do so is because they have concluded that excluding the "non-white" demographic would cost them dearly, not only in terms of lost revenue, but in terms of fallout of the type that they might now be experiencing over their questionable decision to terminate Wikileaks's web services contract. Only the decisions of hundreds, or perhaps even thousands, of customers to either terminate their Amazon accounts, or to not do so, will tell.
Jeremiah
December 6th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
A private business ought to have the right to exclusively serve Tharks, Lilliputians or whomever they please. But we reserve the right not to do business with them. Force is force, and freedom is freedom—even if certain fruits of freedom are not universally palatable.
Ground_Control
December 6th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/988.html
Julian Assange
He's a guy with a vague history…
Who travels the world without visible means of support…
His parents: Members of an LSD "cult" that abused kids…
Hmmm…
He's not against war…
He hates the 9/11 truth movement…
He has no info about the Bush or Obama White House…or the Federal Reserve Bank…or Goldman Sachs (but he is helping take down Bank of America)…
His "leaks" paint Pakistan as a threat and foreign politicians the CIA doesn't like as jerks…
He believes Osama is alive…and probably in Pakistan…
Everything else he "leaks" is stuff we all already knew…
The mainstream media loves him…
The right wingers love to hate him and are using him as a justification to censor the Net…
If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and smells like a duck…
Another intelligence agency spectacle.
Mechanized
December 6th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
It was never suggested that libertarians are or should be.
Bill Anderson & Bob Murphy do however raise an interesting point to consider:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/72…
In any event I shall continue to purchase from Amazon.To this point it's always been an enjoyable shopping experience.
Terrance&Philip
December 6th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
A question for everyone: Why is this nation, which has spent over nine years and trillions of dollars unsuccesfully looking for Osama bin Laden, spending the time and energy to capture a prankster????
(And while I recall the vitriol with which Americans reacted against bin Laden and what he did, I don't recall them reacting this strongly.)
Jeremy Sapienza
December 6th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
A vague history! Something something about his parents!
Obviously he is a CIA asset who rode on one of the missiles that hit the Pentagon.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
December 6th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
If they "have hundreds of thousands of customers storing all kinds of data on AWS", how many staff do they employ to check it all?
Logic says that they can learn that data they store is "inappropriate" only if someone tips them off. Therefore, logic says that they decided to remove WikiLeaks because someone "tipped" them that the data WikiLeaks was serving was "inappropriate".
Who did?
liberranter
December 6th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
Therefore, logic says that they decided to remove WikiLeaks because someone "tipped" them that the data WikiLeaks was serving was "inappropriate".
Who did?
Gosh, I wonder who? That's a real brain-fryer!
Jeremy Sapienza
December 6th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
"Regardless of political views or whatnot" — No, PRECISELY BECAUSE OF political views and whatnot. That's why Antiwar.com even exists. Amazon has rights, and we have rights. Each of us is exercising them. End of discussion.
Good Luck
December 6th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Amazon usually is the cheapest even including tax so I don't think your boycott will accomplish much. Also worth noting is that the other merchants don't rent 'clouds' so it is not clear what they would do in the same situation. If you want to hit Amazon boycotting their Kindle reader might work as that is supposed to be their future.
In the US Amazon competitors are in used books: abebooks..com powells.com/ alibris.com strandbooks.com/
New books: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/ borders.com
pricescan.com is good for finding the cheapest book, which is usually Amazon.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
December 6th, 2010 at 5:08 pm
"fire power" not "power fire" of course.
Heathcliff_Maw
December 6th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
Julian Assange is not what or who is at issue. I couldn't care less about his history.
Heathcliff_Maw
December 6th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
I don't consider Assange and WikiLeaks pranksters. They are exposing crimes and mechanizations that cause thousands of deaths.
It is interesting that the leaks reveal that the Saudis are still heavily funding al Qaeda, but the US government thinks it is far more important to stem WikiLeaks' funding than al Qaeda's. It must be because al Qaeda is useful to the government while WiliLeaks threatens its clandestine and corrupt operations.
Heathcliff_Maw
December 6th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
If a private business that serves the public wants to serve whites only, then it should privately fund the streets and sidewalks, the water and sewerage services, and the police and fire protection it receives.
We are all better off because of the Civil Rights Act.
EllsbergFan
December 6th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
To John U.: Rather than catering to Amazon and allowing them to become an even larger monolith, and allowing them to "do good" — how about joining the boycott and doing your own good? Boycotts, sit-ins, rallies and other acts of peaceable demonstration work when we use a united voice and show our determination! If 25 people boycott Amazon, they won't care. If 25,000 people boycott Amazon, and the pressure is put on, then a difference can be made!
Support your local bookstores and libraries–start a book-trading; it's a little more work, but think of the outcome! It is these victories that make a difference and gives us back a voice in this country!!
EllsbergFan
December 6th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
Would you say that if you were the one that was denied service?? How can a company deny anyone without just cause? If I own a business, I would reserve that right to not serve whomever, but it would have to be for a very, very good reason. I don't believe that I have the right to just refuse someone "because I have a right to" or because I have the freedom to.
Our freedom has a certain responsibility that comes with it that we should respect, and not hold arrogantly "just because."
jack of toads
December 6th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
just a thought,maybe the expertise` amongst these fine pages may kno better,is it not an assist to keep that WIKI tab cycling or periodically re-freshed as an impromptu proxy server bank thing ya kno system aka net wide world wild,ya kno when ever ya get the chance,,,ALWAYS ON,not sure just a thought,a mirror what is all 250,000 mssgs anyway, a gigabite or 2 a terra, more technical percision needed,all 4 corners and compass points perferred,am i wrong or just stupid,inquiring minds wanna knowww.wiki wow
Lorraine
December 6th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
Dear Friends, I wholeheartedly agree with Justin's position and have indeed decided to forego commerce with Amazon until (if ever) they renounce their rejection of Wikileaks. Incidentally, I refer you to another source, the Sabeel Newsletter, for a list of additional products you may wish to avoid for political reasons (See their Nov. 26 e-newletter, Attention Christmas Shoppers: Top Ten Brands to Boycott). Happy local shopping. FYI, got rid of my Kindle. It was just too hard to read, anyway.
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jack of toads
December 6th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
TOAD TO JACK come in please du u read roger copy over,,,oo,ps baring thare very own constallation of satallites that is, secured with free will no less,not co-ercion or wmd's blackmailed embezzeled,extorted,etc,etcso easy to get carried away and LooK bad in the eyes of the beholders 1 aka viewers unknown,at large,and good tax paying citizens at least 21 years old,WIKI,wow appears to phloat not struggling at all,twisting and writhing not their style,the unfolding envelope is ?what? to rue, represenative democracy the ways and means of 1 aka federated republic,thare people (partisians) i don't understand
liberranter
December 6th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
Would you say that if you were the one that was denied service??
Absolutely. I would do what any adult with more than two brain cells and a modicum of common sense would do and TAKE MY BUSINESS ELSEWHERE. Amazon.com, not having a monopoly on the web server hosting business, would not be my only option for hosting my website. There are plenty of others, more than I can count, who would gladly accept my money.
If I own a business, I would reserve that right to not serve whomever, but it would have to be for a very, very good reason.
And that "very, very good reason" is that my business is MY PRIVATE PROPERTY and I can serve, or not serve, whomever I want. Don't like that fact? Then GO OPEN YOUR WALLET FOR MY COMPETITION.
I don't believe that I have the right to just refuse someone "because I have a right to" or because I have the freedom to.
If YOU don't believe that, then that's certainly your right as a business owner, and you have an absolute right to make it your business policy to serve all comers, regardless of who they are or how the make use of your services. However, you have no right whatsoever to deny another business owner the right to operate their business as they sit fit, to use or not use their own property as they see fit, which includes denying its use to someone else, in the form of a service refusal, for whatever reason they choose – or for no reason at all.
Our freedom has a certain responsibility that comes with it that we should respect, and not hold arrogantly "just because."
In other words, "you HAVE to cater to me because… well, because I demand that you do!"
Sorry, but that's collectivist garbage of the first order, the sort of thinking that has led to the disrespect for private property that has caused near total economic collapse in so many parts of the world, the UFSA merely the latest to experience it.
Bottom line: I'm boycotting Amazon simply because their actions against Wikileaks are not in harmony with my PERSONAL views on liberty or respect therefor. I'm simply choosing not to spend my money on Jeff Bezos or his business. That said, I would never DREAM of using violence or coercion to prevent anyone else from spending their money as they see fit, either with Amazon or any other business that I find objectionable. Nor would I dream of urging acts of coercive violence or destruction against Amazon simply because they do something I disagree with. For all I know, I might be a lone, one-man boycott of Amazon and they might not even notice my loss as a customer. That's fine. I'm simply choosing to spend MY money elsewhere. What anyone else does or does not do with their own money is up to them. While I'm glad others sympathize with my viewpoint on the Amazon-Wikileaks affair, I'm not going to demonize those who, for whatever reason, find it in their own best interest to retain Amazon's services. The ultimate test of one's commitment freedom is the degree to which one respects the right of others to make choices that one does not agree with, so long as these others do so peacefully and show respect for the rights and property of others.
hardtruth
December 7th, 2010 at 12:39 am
"Extra-constitutional legal fiats preventing them from doing so aside"
Setting its Illegality aside, its legal. Riiight.
Amazon has the right to deny providing service to whomever it wants for whatever reason. "
hardtruth
December 7th, 2010 at 12:45 am
"However, you have no right whatsoever to deny another business owner the right to operate their business as they sit fit,"
Unless they sell drugs. Or anything to Cuba. Or Iran. Or put GMO free on their packaging. Or paint an unlicensed Mickey Mouse on their window. Or…
Vojkan Milosavljevic
December 7th, 2010 at 2:00 am
It's rather cold in Paris currently. So a little brain frying is not that unwelcome.
I was just trying to point at the inanity of Amazon's official explanation. And what's a violation for Amazon doesn't seem to be one for a French judge.
Gee, if I ever expected that France, after all the laws the left here has passed, will have greater freedom of information than the U.S.
Terrance&Philip
December 7th, 2010 at 7:29 am
"I don't consider Assange and WikiLeaks pranksters. They are exposing crimes and mechanizations that cause thousands of deaths."
I don't either. I was just being rhetorical. However, that the ruling oligarchy is expending so much effort to track him down, (when they couldn't/wouldn't OBL) tells me that they view him as a very serious threat to their power.
Greg
December 7th, 2010 at 8:25 am
Some people consider other costs than just the monetary ones. The price of buying things from Amazon just went up for me.
conumishu
December 7th, 2010 at 9:43 am
Yea, only they clearly bow to big and special interests.
The label of private business and big corporation status don't really fit. Losing some of the customers base or the favors of government, no hesitation from Amazon or PayPal. Here the colusion is obvious between the state (not private at all) and a theoretically independent free business operation who voluntarilly aligns itself with the state helping it implement repression.
It really wouldn't matter if some of wikileaks revelations are "directed", the stage is set, what happens now looks very much like a global test of how to "softly" suffocate any dissent. Pretty scary inhumanity, the machine is once again marching on (us).
At least the universal reaction of state actors worldwide is no surprise at all. Shameless too.
RobertB
December 7th, 2010 at 10:06 am
Even more suspect.
Heathcliff_Maw
December 7th, 2010 at 10:21 am
There was a time in America before the Civil Rights Act when it was ILLEGAL for certain businesses (especially in the South) to serve blacks and whites equally. If you owned a restaurant or a hotel and exercised your "freedom" to serve people of all races equally, then you went to jail and your business was shut down.
Educate yourself. I'm guessing you are white.
Heathcliff_Maw
December 7th, 2010 at 10:26 am
Now Visa and Master Card are complying with the fascist US government and will not process donations to WikiLeaks. I'll be using my Discover card a lot more, but I would not be surprised to hear their similar announcement within the next 24 hours.
It ought to be clear to everyone by now that the US government is a global threat to freedom and justice. As much as I despise Osama bin Laden, I have to admit that on many points he was right.
muggles
December 7th, 2010 at 11:28 am
The difference between "hard" and "soft" fascism is in the former (China, etc.) the govt boldly slams down the edicts and shuts down offending businesses. In the latter (USA, etc.) craven businesses are quietly told what to do/not do and lie about the reasons.
Paypal, MC, etc. claiming that WikiLeaks is engaging in "illegal" activities is nonsense. The organization has not been indicted anywhere. Who are these businesses to make such libelous claims? This is all do to with government blackmail.
Finally, let's find out exactly how many extradiction requests have been issued from Sweden (or responded to positively by the UK) in the past two years for the exact same bogus charges that Assange is being held on? My guess, zero. Probably none, ever. Where is the media coverage over this selective prosectution?
Vojkan Milosavljevic
December 7th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
I've noted many people here talk about prizes on Amazon and how it is inexpensive. Well, it definitely isn't the least expensive for music. As a matter of fact it is one of the most expensive vendors for music. I invite you to do a comparison.
Amazon definitely isn't unavoidable.
Heathcliff_Maw
December 7th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
Let me add this. Simply making discriminatory laws illegal would not have gone far enough. White supremacists in the South were plentiful and they were bullies. If a business owner chose to treat blacks and whites equally, his business would have been boycotted by whites, it would have been vandalized and perhaps burned down or blown up.
There are ideological justifications for the Civil Rights Act. If you have a business that serves the public, then you should serve all the public because all the public provides the streets, sidewalks, water and sewerage systems, police and fire departments and the courts that serve and protect your business.
Further, we live in a society and there are things that must be done to ensure a civil society. As Andrew Young explained it, if it were not for the civil rights reforms of the 1960's, then by the 1980's Atlanta–instead of being a thriving metropolis that was a symbol of the New South–would have become another Beirut.
Be thankful for the Civil Rights Act. It did a lot of good.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
December 7th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
"prices". I should re-read myself more often.
Alan MacDonald
December 7th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
It is certainly the case that Assange is far more dangerous than just an anti-war activist —- he's become the first highly visible "Anti-EMPIRE" activist.
That's what makes him so dangerous to this guilefully disguised global corporate/financial/militarist EMPIRE, which is only hiding behind the facade of its 'owned' TWO-Party 'Vichy' sham of democratic government.
Anti-War activists the EMPIRE can defuse and handle very easily, but a global Anti-EMPIRE movement "Against Empire" and starting "The Coming Insurrection" is a deadly threat to this GD Empire.
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
GTS
December 8th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Nothing at all adds up to an intelligence spectacle. The U.S. government would be at civil war with itself it that were the case. The contradictions, if anything, make him more likely to be a guy operating on his own. Now, of course, that intelligence agencies may leak things in the future to him is probably likely.
GTS
December 8th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
Most of the books sold on Amazon are through smaller bookstores. If you find something you like, just go to their website directly instead.
Scott
December 8th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
Apparently Amazon doesn't realize that anything published by the US gov't is copyright-free and can be reproduced at will.
Steve
December 10th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
It wouldn't matter if Amazon was the cheapest vendor out there. They would still be avoidable. No one said freedom was supposed to be cheap, or easy, or convenient. Freedom is supposed to be only one thing: free. If the founding fathers could risk their lives to give us this country, we can certainly risk paying a few extra cents to save it.
Ivan
December 11th, 2010 at 4:24 am
B R A V O BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO
Floy
December 11th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
It's a bit annoying that every time I google for a book, amazon shows up as the first hit. What I do now is google with '-amazon', like this
"gaza in crisis" -amazon
that will get rid of all amazon hits (in fact it gets rid of pages containing the word amazon, I guess, so it'll get rid of pages demading a boycott of amazon…)
any humans
December 16th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Everyone I know is boycotting Amazon, and its going viral. Wikileaks has shown us that there are still some humans left in the states, the ones who leaked, and that they have been hijacked by a plutocratic elite, who will not now give up power easily. Thankyou to those who have and will leak.
Paul1234
December 16th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
In addition to boycotting Amazon we also need to send a clear signal to the financial service corporations that have proven so easily co-optable in the silencing efforts targeting WikiLeaks. Cancel at least one of your Visa, MC, paypal or amazon cards and let them know why you're doing it. Here's my own letter which may serve as a template of what you could write your bank or CC company:
Dear Sir or Madam:
This letter is my official notice that, for reasons explained further below, I will be closing by the end of this month and this year my Visa credit card account number XXXXX operated by Bank YYYYYY. I paid the account's balance of $ZZZZ yesterday via online access and to my knowledge all my fiscal responsibilities with this credit card account have thus been fulfilled. Please close my account and include a notation in the report to the credit bureaus that it was "closed by request of cardholder." Once this is done, please send me written confirmation of the closure of my account, in good standing and at my request. Should there be any discrepancies then please contact me by mail at the address below.
The specific reason why I am closing my account is because I object most strongly to the decision by Visa Europe Ltd. to suspend its financial services for, and processing of, payments to WikiLeaks.
This suspension is in my opinion directly contradictory to both the Corporate Responsibility statement in the website of Visa Europe Ltd. and the Responsible Business Practices statement presented on the website of Visa Inc., because it interferes directly and deliberately with the freedom of expression, freedom of the press and transparency of government around the world.
As I am sure the legal specialists of both companies are well aware, the US Supreme Court has repeatedly upheld the right of news media to publish classified government documents, for example the “Pentagon Papers” disclosing extensive deception and mendacity by government representatives concerning the war in Vietnam and neighboring countries (New York Times Co. v. United States, 403 U.S. 713). WikiLeaks has in no way transgressed the strict criteria set by the Supreme Court for very exceptionally permitting any governmental restraints on freedom of expression (Near v. Minnesota, 283 U.S. 697). Furthermore, the WikiLeaks website and its managing personnel are neither US citizens nor US residents, rendering this a matter of international law and thus well outside any rights of direct interference by the US government and its representatives, or any legal basis for its likely requests to target WikiLeaks by blocking payment services.
In view of all the above, I am closing my XXXXX Visa account because this has my highest credit line and therefore sends the strongest signal to Visa Inc. and Visa Europe Ltd. To demonstrate my resolve, I include with this letter fragments of the cut-up credit card in question. Should Visa persist in its repressive actions, then I will not hesitate to also close my other Visa accounts with other financial institutions.
Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.
Sincerely,
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