Bibi Unmasked
Caught on tape: what the Israelis really think of us
In 2001, Bibi Netanyahu paid a condolence call on a group of Israeli settlers in the village of Ofra, widows whose husbands had been killed in the Intifada: the videotaped conversation has just been leaked, and broadcast by Israel’s Channel 10, and it is a blockbuster. At one point, Bibi is telling the widows that the Palestinians “think they will break us,” but don’t worry, ladies, Bibi has a plan:
“To hit them. Not just one blow, but blows that are so painful that the price will be too heavy to be borne. The price is not too heavy to be borne, now. A broad attack on the Palestinian Authority. To bring them to the point of being afraid that everything is collapsing…
“Woman: Wait a moment, but then the world will say ‘how come you’re conquering again?’
“Netanyahu: The world won’t say a thing. The world will say we’re defending.
“Woman: Aren’t you afraid of the world, Bibi?
“Netanyahu: Especially today, with America. I know what America is. America is something that can easily be moved. Moved to the right direction.”
A child speaks up, and, surprisingly articulate, avers: “They say they’re for us, but, it’s like…”
Yes, even the children are little ideologues. Today that boy is a teenager on the verge of adulthood, and likely a fervent supporter of Israel’s ultra-rightist government, led by Bibi, who, back then, quickly assured him: “They won’t get in our way.” The child, hardliner that he was and no doubt still is, seemed doubtful: “On the other hand,” the kid ventured, “if we do some something, then they…”
That’s when Bibi really let his hair down:
“So let’s say they say something. So they said it! They said it! 80% of the Americans support us. It’s absurd. We have that kind of support…. Look. That administration [Clinton] was extremely pro-Palestinian. I wasn’t afraid to maneuver there. I was not afraid to clash with Clinton.”
Of course he wasn’t, because he knew he’d win, what with the Republicans in Congress passing resolutions unconditionally supporting the Israelis and AIPAC and the rest of the Lobby going all out to mobilize their fifth column against Oslo and the very idea of a rapprochement. Oslo was a dagger placed against the throat of the hard-line Likud movement, which explicitly embraces the rather nutty idea of a “Greater Israel,” and there was no way Netanyahu or his party could accept it without betraying who and what they were and are. So when one of the women denounced the Accords as “a disaster,” Bibi agrees with her – and takes “credit” for neutering them:
“What were the Oslo Accords? The Oslo Accords, which the Knesset signed, I was asked, before the elections: ‘Will you act according to them?’ and I answered: ‘yes, subject to mutuality and limiting the retreats.’ ‘But how do you intend to limit the retreats?’ ‘I’ll give such interpretation to the Accords that will make it possible for me to stop this galloping to the ’67 [armistice] lines.’ How did we do it?”
Easy: the Accords had a loophole big enough to drive an IDF tank through, premising the handover of “land for peace” on the condition that the land in question encompassed neither settlements nor military sites, as Netanyahu explained to his adoring fans:
“No one said what defined military sites. Defined military sites, I said, were security zones. As far as I’m concerned, the Jordan Valley is a defined military site.
“Woman: Right [laughs]..
“Netanyahu: … How can you tell. How can you tell?”
Bibi goes on to boast of how he stood up to Clinton, insisting that it would be the Israelis, and not anyone else, who defined where and what was a “military site.” When the US balked, Bibi refused to sign on to the Hebron Agreement, stopping the peace process in its tracks: “Why does this matter? Because at that moment I actually stopped the Oslo Accord.”
The settler comes back at him, however, interrupting Bibi’s self-congratulatory rapture by reminding him of Hebron, and other concessions embodied in the Accord. Netanyahu’s answer sums up the current position of his government. He cites his father (“Not exactly a dove, as they say”) who advised him:
“It would be better to give two percent than to give a hundred percent. And that’s the choice here. You gave two percent and in that way you stopped the withdrawal. Instead of a hundred percent. The trick is not to be there and be broken. The trick is to be there and pay a minimal price.”
This limns the current state of the current political dialogue in the Jewish state: the debate is between those who want 98 percent and those who demand 100 percent. (The only difference today, as opposed to 2001, is that the latter seem to have the upper hand: witness the rise of Avigdor Lieberman and his party of nutcases, who are the Israeli equivalent of Al-Qaeda.)
What’s interesting – and embarrassing – about this leak isn’t the “revelation” that Israel’s amen corner in America exerts a decisive influence on US policymakers: who didn’t know that? The Israel lobby constantly boasts of it, while critics of US subservience to Tel Aviv consistently decry it. What we didn’t know, however, is how much the Israelis disdain us for it: “It’s absurd,” avers Bibi, and the settler lady, laughing, agrees with him. She, being an ardent nationalist, cannot conceive of a government that puts the interests of another nation over and above its own. Perhaps Bibi has a better idea of how the Israelis pulled that particular rabbit out of Uncle Sam’s hat, but emotionally it’s clear that he, too, finds the weakness of the Americans incomprehensible.
After all, it’s odd when you think about it: why would the mightiest empire the world has ever seen – a nation that spends more on its military establishment than all other nations of the world combined – kowtow before a country barely the size of Delaware? How is it that every attempt to heal this breach in our national security armor and our interests in the region – the running sore of the Palestinian question – has ended in utter failure, due entirely – as Bibi boasts – to the efforts of the Israelis to undermine it? How does the prime minister of a dinky little country almost entirely dependent on American largess stand up to the Emperor of the World – and win?
The answer is that American imperialism has spawned a global hegemon quite unlike the empires of the past: the British, the French, the Romans, the Macedonians, and as far back as it’s possible to know, all planted their flag on foreign soil to the glory and in the name of the nation. That is, they were nationalists, albeit of the dangerous outward-looking sort (as opposed to the inward-looking, contemplative variety that held sway in the US until the turn of the last century, commonly derided by our elites as “isolationists.”)
We, on the other hand, have a different self-conception. By no means do we ever acknowledge that we are indeed an empire, except when someone is trying to be provocative (or unless he’s a foreigner). We are supposed to be different from all the rest, because, you see, America – according to both neoconservatives and liberals – is a nation founded not on a sense of place, but around an abstract idea. To the neocons, it’s the idea of meritocracy (which, they figure, puts them on top), to the liberals it’s “equality” (which, they figure, puts them on top).
What they have in common, in spite of their superficial differences, is their insistence on deviating from the traditional concept of nationhood and, instead, conjuring up an ideological construct to put in its place, just as the Jacobins tore down the religious artifacts of Paris and erected in their place a statue to the Goddess of Reason. Thousands of lives were sacrificed on that bloody altar before it was over, just as many hundreds of thousands have been offered up to the American god of “Democracy” over the years.
Yet this democracy we claim to practice is the fatal chink in our armor, the means by which a much weaker enemy can easily manipulate and even fatally undermine us from afar, without any show of force except political strength. And this strength need not be derived from the support of the American majority. Since most could not care less about foreign policy matters, this indifference allows a weird coalition of pro-Israel neocons, Democratic party “liberals” in debt to pro-Israel donors, and fanatical Christian “Zionists” to dominate the debate, capture elite opinion, and set US policy on a course Bibi admits is “absurd.”
What this conundrum underscores is the truth of the Paulian-paleoconservative principle, repeated many times in many different ways in this space, that you can’t have a republic and an empire: it’s one or the other. This is true not only because empires are constantly defending and extending their frontiers, and are in a state of constant warfare, which requires a centralized authority and the consolidation of State power, but also due to the peculiar vulnerability of democratic institutions to foreign subversion. An America that refused on principle to interfere in the affairs of other nations would have little or nothing to fear from foreign lobbyists and fifth columnists: on the other hand, a “democratic” empire in which the emperor is subjected to all sorts of political pressures, including the necessity of raising obscene amounts of money just in order to keep his throne, is indeed “something that can be easily moved,” as Bibi put it.
Take, for example, this new “Emergency Committee for Israel,” chaired by Bill Kristol, Christian nutball Gary Bauer, and Rachel Abrams, wife of neocon heavy-hitter Elliott Abrams, which is running ads in Pennsylvania against Democrat Joe Sestak. Sestak’s crime: insufficient subservience to the Lobby. As an article in Politico put it:
“The new committee declined to disclose its funding – as a 501(c)4 advocacy organization, it isn’t required to – but said it had raised enough to air its first ad, starting this week, on Fox and CNN and during a Philadelphia Phillies game. The ad attacks Sestak for signing a letter criticizing Israel’s blockade of Gaza while not signing a defense of Israel circulated by the group AIPAC, and for appearing at a fundraiser for the Council on American Islamic Relations, which it describes as an “anti-Israel organization the FBI called a ‘front-group for Hamas’.”
Of course the new committee refused to disclose its funding – for the simple reason that a good deal of the money that fuels the pro-Israel lobby in this country comes from overseas. This was true in the early days of AIPAC and its predecessor, as Grant Smith’s invaluable research has underscored, and there is little doubt this tradition is continued unto the present day, with such groups as the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, JINSA, and the American “Friends of the IDF” having open links to the Israeli foreign ministry and the IDF leadership. Ostensibly “American” groups that subsidize Israeli settlements in the West Bank enjoy tax exempt status, while pro-Palestinian groups that try to operate similarly are shuttered and their supporters jailed as supporters of “terrorism.” Of the billions we send every year in “aid” to the Jewish state, a significant portion returns to us in the form of pro-Israel propaganda.
Legally, the “Emergency Committee” is not required to disclose its funding – but they ought to anyway. Unless, that is, they’re content to leave the impression Israel is directly intervening in American elections. Or maybe that’s precisely what they intend.
David Frum gleefully called the committee “The New In Your Face Israel Lobby.” As in-your-face as the anti-Americanism and outright contempt for Washington expressed in that candid video of Netanyahu. It’s as if they’re saying to this administration: “Go ahead and go after us. We dare you!”
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Up Against the FBI – May 23rd, 2013
- Antiwar.com vs. the FBI – May 21st, 2013
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013





Sheila
July 19th, 2010 at 4:36 am
What is this "Bibi" crap, Raimondo? Why do you refer to Israel's PM by affectionate nickname?
It should read Netanyahu. Wise up to the subtle influence of labels on perceptions.
JohnDowser
July 19th, 2010 at 6:16 am
"a global hegemon quite unlike the empires of the past: the British, the French, the Romans…"
Unlike, perhaps because the lack of gravitational centre: a Rome, a Paris, greater London, with all the accumulated myth and history attached? The US empire seems to secretly desire a heartland, a remote cuckoo clock in its courtship of Israel and Jerusalem. The amount of Christian fundamentalist and Zionist influences in the population fuels this particular fever, to the degree that it has become the new normal (the old absurd) in Congress Land: they are us and "we are all Zionists now".
Montaigne
July 18th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
I thought something on the same lines, but perhaps another angle. The learning from the Philippines was that you can control a people by information – that is scandalous personal information – that you can spread, perhaps through agents – to influence the public in the desired direction. This rather dark and dishonest outset could be problematic though! But then there is a splendid angle with the jewish holocaust. Here we have perfect evil, which one opposes as a proud principle, thus making oneself THE GOOD GUY. The truly glorious and morally right good guy. (No matter you won't find many bad guys, but you can POINT to them, and make some resemblances.)
So when the truth is defines as good vs. evil, and you always are good, you seem to have a better chance of winning hearts, if not exactly minds. But probably the level of communicatrion at a level of animals – reacting on signals rather than reason and convictions like humans are capable of – really is enough for the present. The politically relevant zone of influence.
And the destroying of the adult human being is of course always fair and right, given the horizon of the moment. I can only see a way out of this gridlock of mediocracy of slander and bad-boy-pointing, and NOT meritocracy: To appeal in contrast to long-time human values, and revoke the desire to let society act so as to appeal to the grown and fully developed human being at his best..
Ron Paul comes to mind, but he does not actively and directly attack and reveal the pettiness of his rivals. Some sort of counter-attack destroying the opponents low-directed moves will probably be needed. However it is probably safer to leave that to other groups of people.
Rachel_Corrie
July 19th, 2010 at 6:47 am
Pro Israel sound bites from the mainstream media, Hollywood Studios, and other major Zionist mind-control tools have turned average Joe to a captivated slave. Had the Roman Empire possessed 10% of Zionist’s brain-washing monopolies, Rome would have neutralized the slaves’ uprising.
When the Zionists control Hollywood, Fox News, CNN, CBS, ABC, The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times and 80% of the major book-publishing houses, etc…they are hard to be disputed or to be questioned.
All what, we Americas can do, is go to work until we drop and when we return home for a respite, we surrender all our senses to the Zionist PR masters who bombard us with their propaganda until we close our eyes.
Those who thought that the Cambodian Education Camps don’t exist in America are day-dreaming. We, unassuming Americans, are subjected daily to the Zionists’ brain-wash in the comfort of our own homes; it is an integral part of our “Democracy”.
Andrew
July 19th, 2010 at 7:09 am
Sheila – the use of a nickname is not necessarily affectionate.
Anyway, given that Israel's interests and US's interests are the same, why don't we see Israeli troops on the frontline in Afghanistan. The other memebers of the Coalition of the WIllling are leaving. We need help from our special ally Israel to hel p spread the load. We need the boots on the ground. Heck, we pay them enough.
Ira7Epstein
July 19th, 2010 at 7:10 am
Yes, Obama and the United States Congress are the private property of Netanyahu and the Likud Lobby, but I believe their days are numbered. Thanks to the internet and sites like Antiwar.com more and more people are waking up to the evil influence the Likud Lobby and its slavish devotees in congress are having on American foriegn policy. The evidence of the desperation of the Likud Lobby can be seen in there loud hysterical rants about antisemitism and the danger of another holocaust. As if any criticism of the Likud Party and its agenda for a greater Israel conceals a secret desire to round up all the Jews of the world and murder them in concentration camps. The accusation is so absurd a child can see through it.
theothercanada
July 19th, 2010 at 9:14 am
Official PR officers in Canada, appointed "leader" of the opposition are under same control and their PRIORITY is serving interest of Zionism.
They are totally blind, many even approve Genocide on Palestinians and majority of population supports Crusades of the 21st. Century.
theothercanada
July 19th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Obviously what you consider "enough" is not enough for them, perhaps you are forgetting they is the chosen one, the guy who chose them is one who issued orders to Charles Manson, George W. Bush and that fellow who served cyanide tea and send his followers to paradise in French Guyana.
sherban
July 19th, 2010 at 9:33 am
Unfortunately the hope for a change is an illusion.The influence of Internet has little importance-g.w.bush was elected twice in the Internet period-and the Israeli propaganda are more active than others even on Internet.Israel establishes what good and what is evil in entire world.Iran,Ahmadinejad,Islam extremism all these issues appear in Internet era and prove that
Israel forms the world ideology.While are waited a reaction of these then in deed appears one :The tea party.
David
July 19th, 2010 at 10:06 am
Part of the problem with Raimondo, is that he’s never had the cojones to blame more than the “Likudniks” or “rightists” in Israel, for the predicament the Palestinians are in. The Labor party and left has a different style, but historically and otherwise, is as much a part of the problem as the 'Likudniks".
E. A. Costa
July 19th, 2010 at 10:25 am
Raimondo's "American history" is, sorrily, as distorted and absurd as that of any Neo-Con or jingo.
Whatever "ideas" the American War of Independence embodied–and they were mainly French–they were betrayed early, including in the US Constitution itself.
Hamilton especially was the West Indian in the woodpile, the man who would have a King, first Washington and then, surely he calculated, himself, and who would also have no Bill of Rights.
The colonists, having freed themselves of overseas domination, soon confronted their own occupation in the Watermelon Army, and it has been downhill ever since.
As far as American Imperialism is concerned, the Cherokee removal is as useful a mark any other for the beginning of the American Imperialism Raimondo so absurdly ignores.
It was slash and burn across a continent, including genocide against the native tribes, continuing conflicts with Mexico and Canada, and a war between the States that pitted the vicious Yankee and Northern railroad Capitalists against the moronic Southrons and their slavery.
Having reached the Pacific, with the closing of the continental frontier, the US assumed its place beside its old enemy Britain as partner in the Anglo-American Empire with the brutal war in the Philippines, fought in large part by murderous veterans of the Indian Wars who had no compunctions about massacreing defenseless women and children, as they did with the Moros.
"Freedom and Liberty", it seems, were strictly for white "Anglo-Saxons" and Aguinaldo, poor deluded idealist, need not apply.
bogi666
July 19th, 2010 at 11:04 am
You forget that Americans have been taught to believe the absurd and that the teachers of mindlessness, government, business[ads]pretend christian churches with false doctrines use absurdities well knowing that if people believe that absurd is normal these same fools can be told anything and will believe it thinking since the absurd is normal. 90 years of human behavior makes it easy to manipulate the population of a country according to Hermann Goerring who claimed it is easy to manipulate the population of a country into supporting what is against their own best interest, dying in a war of concoction, by using patriotism and imagined fears.
geo1671
July 19th, 2010 at 11:05 am
Samson & Delilah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoCP9A-gLMo
Does that answer why USA is in decline?
E. A. Costa
July 19th, 2010 at 11:31 am
"the hope for a change is an illusion"
A virtual antiwar movement is pretty comic, true enough.
But there are other events afoot.
E. A. Costa
July 19th, 2010 at 11:36 am
A typical male lion in the wild can move 500 lbs laterally with the swipe of one paw and as easily as Victor Mature could constrict his face into the rigor mortis rictus of a smile.
E. A. Costa
July 19th, 2010 at 11:39 am
The leader of the Maasai age groups is even nowadays usually the first to have killed a lion with a spear.
E. A. Costa
July 19th, 2010 at 11:41 am
A male lion in the wild can in its roar generate a mixture of sounds and at such volume it penetrates the chest cavity and stops the heart temporarily.
E. A. Costa
July 19th, 2010 at 11:48 am
The typical Maasai boy is at eight or so sent out alone to guard flocks with nothing but a few throwing sticks and short spear.
Many of them have leopard scars.
Their accuracy with throwing sticks puts American professional baseball pitchers to shame.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
July 19th, 2010 at 11:52 am
So, US taxpayers finance Israel so it can grab other people's land and finance Zionists in the US to lobby with the US government to have US taxpayers finance Israel so it can…
And you wonder, no offense Justin, if only there were more like you, why we Europeans think American=moron?
Gavin Sealey
July 19th, 2010 at 11:53 am
Netanyahu shows total contempt for the US and it's not significant. A few years ago we read about Olmert boasting about giving orders to Bush. If there were a video of Ahmadinejad saying that he planned to run rings around the US the mainstream media would be full of it.
E. A. Costa
July 19th, 2010 at 4:53 am
The Maasai, male and female, knock out two middle lower incisors.
This allows them to be fed milk with a syringe if they get tetanus.
musings
July 19th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
The homely exchanges of Bibi with the settlers are interesting. How did this "get out"? It seems that he is playing the typical role of substituting for the missing father figure of these families, a role that many wartime leaders have played in history. This is clearly intended as a reassuring puff piece for Israelis. It's telling them that he can stand up to that behemoth America, which must look pretty formidable to them at home. The bravado is thus necessary.
What he does not reckon with is how Americans feel as their standard of living slips and the sense is out there that we are being bled dry by our conflicts – which in fact are also used for propaganda, and to deal with a crumbling "heartland" won by our own pioneers.
A few days ago, as Representatives Barney Frank and Ron Paul appeared together, advocating cuts in military forces in countries where they had more money than we do to defend themselves, a minor argument broke out when Ron Paul insisted we were also doing too much for Israel. Normally this would be a suicidal statement for a Republican. Of course Barney Frank, using more ire than logic, insisted that Israel already shouldered its own burdens quite well, and that of course we do not have troops there to defend them. I leave the import of this remark to the reader, although to my mind it evades the history of our involvement in the Mideast.
Bottom line: Netanyahu is a politician and as such he was behaving typically. Our role as Americans is to put our own interests first, but like the Israeli settlers, we too have reality mediated through sound bites and decisions taken by those with an agenda of perpetuating their own power. As long as Americans are a far more religious people than Europeans, we will continue to privilege Israel whenever they seem up against the wall. "Belief" tends to distort. A more homely and realistic mindset is hard to come by.
E. A. Costa
July 19th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
"'heartland won by our own pioneers"
HAHAHAHA,.
The Neo-Cons, whose propaganda has always been sloppy and much too NAZI-esque in English, could have used you when then named the Department of Homeland Security.
Imagine, "Department of Heartland Security" instead–real Schmalz, just right to unite murderous and genocidal American patriots around the fraud of their mythology.
No, none of them have ever cut down any cherry tree–no, no, no–and no native tribes, and no blacks, and no Filipinos.
They were, well, er, just PIONEERS, HAHAHAHA.
E. A. Costa
July 19th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
A mixture of Capitalism and genocide (to starve out the plains Indians) didn;t wipe out the buffalo–oh no.
It was just "progress".
Merely, by the way, it was also incredibly stupid economically.
mother of necessity
July 19th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
…your point being: if europeans are entitled to ethnic cleanse native americans, europeans are also entitled to ethnic cleanse palestinians…
two wrongs make a right and might makes right, and any pretense of progress in the morality of human behavior is nothing but window dressing designed to win votes from the namby-pamby masses.
so we're gonna let israel lead us back to reality, and we'll all wind up living by the law of the jungle.
good deal.
E. A. Costa
July 19th, 2010 at 5:37 am
Here you had endless herds of buffalo carpeting a harsh environment, and the stupid American "pioneers" move west, and instead of adapting to what is there, exterminate the buffalo in order to wipe out the Injuns, and divide up the plains into marginally productive farms and ranches, raising, among other things, beef, ill-adapted to the environment, and shipped out to the East for MONEY.
What fools.
And what is the Empire looking for now–including in Afghanistan and the Middle East, more of the world to rape and pillage with their idiotic, infinitely greedy Calvinist Capitalism.
mother of necessity
July 19th, 2010 at 5:39 am
"…incredibly stupid economically."
yup… and that will become more obvious as we run out of oil, and hungry americans —reverting to the law of the jungle— wipe out the remaining native food animals.
there's always cannibalism… we could eat the native americans first, then the mexicans, then the blacks, then the asians, then the jews.
"what's for dinner, ma?"
"leftover human stew… and no whining."
E. A. Costa
July 19th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Killed your lion with a spear yet, eh?
Incidentally, "individuals" need not apply.
They do it in groups, and the one who deals the death blow becomes a sort of leader but not the kind that gives "orders" and is "obeyed" (most westerners are too dumb to follow)
mother of necessity
July 19th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
if israel lives by the law of the jungle, and depends for its surival on a dying america, then what?
E. A. Costa
July 19th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Try Kafka's Schakale und Araber–Jackals and Arabs.
Biting.
Biting indeed.
mother of invention
July 19th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
kinda hard to refute the logic of PNAC's wishes for "a new pearl harbor", isnt it…?
…especially in view of the fact that global oil production seems to have peaked in 2005, america is fatally dependent on cheap oil, and israeli is fatally dependent on protection from america…
E. A. Costa
July 19th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Anyway the censorship machine of Intense Debate or whatever is furiously at work, and for seemingly random elements.
So this little discussion begins to bore.
"It" apparently does not want to allow a clear explanation of why wiping out the buffalo was economically moronic.
One can establish the same pattern with passenger pigeons by the way.
A bientot, mes enfants.
mother of invention
July 19th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
"…wiping out the buffalo was economically moronic."
not for the beefeaters who needed the grass to feed their cows, it wasnt.
Seeker
July 19th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Wrong-o, Sheila.
The appropriate spelling for Bibi's name is Netanyahoo.
Seeker
July 19th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
I fear you are correct.
Israel will be the ruin of my country.
One only hopes the fat TV preachers and the other Christian zionists will feel the sting of remorse and suffer public opprobrium when it finally becomes clear to all that they've helped America nurse a viper.
E. A. Costa
July 19th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
You are wrong.
But not worth the breath.
Wildebeest is delicious.
bret
July 19th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
You might try being germane, E.A. Costa, or else go get your own blog and cease spamming. Just a thought. Nobody owes you a platform, go make your own if it's that important to you. If what you say has any value, people will find it.
E. A. Costa
July 19th, 2010 at 6:25 am
Anyway without the Mexicans and their longhorns–a kind of analogue of some of the advantages of buffalo–the Anglos were up shit's creek by virtue of their own stupidity.
E. A. Costa
July 19th, 2010 at 6:27 am
Anyway without the Mexcians and the longhorn–which had some of the traits of buffalo but in a warmer clime–the Anglos would have been up shit's creek, even for beef, by virtue of their stupidity.
E. A. Costa
July 19th, 2010 at 6:28 am
That one is easy–"shit's creek" always censored, right?
musings
July 19th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
As the daughter of a cattle rancher who was "miffed" with a neighbor who kept a buffalo or two, the issue was about property rights when the buffalo trampled through. Also, as we know, they can mate with cows. Plus, they are really strong and fences are a small obstacle. I don't imagine they were easy on trains which kept to schedules. Nor were they easy on tracks if they took a notion to turning up the ground around them to make their wallows. Plus, they were the source of food to the Indians who also did not much recognize settler property rights, either to land or to chattels.
So I have to disagree with you. Economically it made all the sense in the world to cut down the buffalo, in the short term and maybe even in the long term, if your intent was to extend the country from sea to shining sea.
E. A. Costa
July 19th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Suit yourself.
E. A. Costa
July 19th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
"Form sea to shining sea"–wow.
Your own phrasing? Wow, the NeoCons really messed up not hiring you as a consultant.
Is your home "brave" too by any chance?
And your Gulf of Mexico greasy?
Have a nice day.
Up Hillary's
July 19th, 2010 at 7:23 am
Kind of ironic that a country that rams democracy down everyons throat… whether they want it or not, isn't acutally a democracy itself…. it's infact being run by a couple of jews sitting in Israel….
I think it's time Americans stopped deluding themselves and stopped using the term democracy…. good luck to few good people who can see the reality and are trying their best to make others aware…
JacobZ
July 19th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
David:
I think what you are trying to say is that Zionism is the essential problem here.
Up Hillarys
July 19th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Dont forget to add the BBC to you list…. it's very significant in the zionist propaganda arsenal….
Ira7Epstein
July 19th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
There is only one party in Israel with a true chance of forming a government in Israel, and that is the Likud. The two major "opposition parties" in Israel are just offshoots of he Likud party. Kadima was formed by Ariel Sharon as an offshoot of Likud after he moved the guards in the Gaza prison to outside the Gaza prison. Remember it was the "moderate" Kadima opposition that while in power started the war in Lebanon, and first butchered and then started the starvation blockade of the people of Gaza. Yisrael Beiteinu, the party of Israel's thuggish foriegn minister, Lieberman, is just the ugly face of the Likud Party and Zionism taken to its logical conclusion. Like in the United States, there is no peace party in Israel, only various branches of the war party.
Wolfgang
July 19th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Hi, somewhere I have read, that the CIA in Iraq has Mossad translators working for them.
Obviously they like to have the information but on the save side where nobody dies.
W
Correction
July 19th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
It's "couldn't care less" you mean.
Jaime
July 19th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
The dumbed and numbed ordinary American is happy to get its daily dose of soma courtesy of the huge machine aka the great Satan whose plots only in foreign lands are fully recognized. So American should sing to the tune of "..there is always soma, delicious soma, half a gramme for a half-holiday, a gramme for a week-end, two grammes for a trip to the gorgeous East, three for a dark eternity on the moon…"
Rachel_Corrie
July 19th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
“This guy doesn’t get it, does he?”
These were the words of Netanyahu to his cabinet about President Obama upon his return from a meeting with the President at the White House. It was rumored then that Obama was pressing Netanyahu to freeze Jewish Settlements and accept the creation of a Palestinian State. The story was reported by the British journalist Robert Fisk of “The Independent” Newspaper on July 17, 2010.
These veiled threats and open disdain directed at the American Presidents by Israeli politicians are very common incidents. They ultimately end when the American Presidents get the message and back off. Obama, definitely, got the message and allowed Netanyahu to walk all over his thin black neck. Netanyahu is back into stealing more Palestinian land, demolishing more Palestinian homes and passing more racist laws to make it harder for Palestinians to have normal life in Israel. While Obama has backed off, ate the promises he made to the Palestinians in his Cairo speech and decided to play it safe.
America is an Israeli-occupied territory. This is common universal knowledge, except by the victims of this ugly occupation; the ignorant Americans.
persnipoles
July 19th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
I had the same feeling when I kept hearing/reading 'Saddam,' and 'Hillary.' But it's fair game. How 'bout addressing Justin as 'Mr. Raimondo?' This isn't a locker room, after all.
ML3
July 19th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
I agree and have been saying this for a number of years – where are the Israeli boots on the ground as we vanquish their enemies? Or are their sons and daughters too good to fight and die to protect their little Prussia on the Mediterranean?
Duglarri
July 19th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
You got that right. As Stalin said, "he who controls the present controls the past, and he who controls the past controls the future." Or was it Orwell… anyway, we are thoroughly controlled, and to one single end. It seems like you could call the American Empire the first in history whose reason for being is not the welfare of it's own citizens, but instead the maintenance of a tiny colony halfway around the world. And all the media are aligned to that objective. Which objective is the reason the owners of all of them got into media in the first place: to defend that objective.
Duglarri
July 19th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
There's little remaining doubt that the problem is no longer the Likud, but instead the people of Israel. They're all thoroughly invested in the project of a Greater Israel and nothing is going the change that now; the ones who disagree are all leaving.
Duglarri
July 19th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Justin, what about hitting the problem at it's true source- and by the way, hitting the same problem that prevents resolution of the wall street crisis, the deficit mess, offshoring, and all the other issues that money controls in the US: campaign financing reform?
While the current Canadian government is highly sympathetic to Israel, there is absolutely no sense in which these politicians live their political lives in fear of them. They're on that side out of conviction, bone-headed as that may be. There are no PACs here that can target members of parliament and "Cynthia McKinney" someone… because of strict limits on campaign contributions and spending. We just don't see the craven, cringing, forelock-tugging, obsequious displays US politicians have to make to avoid dying a political death in an avalanche of barely-laundered US money returned in the form of AIPAC-contributed campaign dollars.
Isn't campaign finance the root of the problem? If you blocked dollars from overseas wouldn't that cut most of the influence of the lobby?
jack toads
July 19th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
i agree,intense debate totally sucks,wouldn't the look on WHooM evers face that runs that trash just about exsplain it,like a lot of rationell for freedom to censor/ship,its for the children,,,yeah right,lose those klOOwnsz Mr.Raimondo
Montaigne
July 19th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
I am quite surprised!. I wondered if not the American love for the jews were simply that they were treated so inhumanly at the holocaust, so that the love for the jews somehow would automatically transform the American politician to one of the good guys, whereas by inference his opponents always belongs to the bad guys of at least are worthy suspects. It sounds quite ridiculous when oputspoken, but for heavens sake, why did antiwar.com delete my airing of that thought? Because any holocaust enemy, which certainly includes most people on earth, must be seen in advance as good guys, and doubters of their motives as bad guys? Ridiculous! Worse than religious blindness!
I wonder if Antiwar seriously will attack this US-regime of war-mongering at all, if it is not allowed at the very outset to point to some cheap tricks used by those deceptors!
RogueBuddha
July 19th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
A better way to discourage discourse would be to change the page format. If you could limit the number of comments per page to five and then spam it with posts about $20 gucci bags you would achieve your objective.
And all these mentions of cows and wildebeest have piqued my curiosity, how many times must they be made to listen to Bach so that they could be termed connoisseurs?
Vojkan Milosavljevic
July 19th, 2010 at 7:32 pm
I wish I wasn't.
musings
July 19th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
You seem to imagine that my personal opinion had any weight when the West was first being developed. We really had no say. But those who did had a particular vision and that was of a country running from the Atlantic to the Pacific, with railroads and markets in between. Nor did I have anything to do with killing the passenger pigeons.
"Sea to shining sea" is a phrase which does not describe objective reality. There's a lot of crap in Elizabeth New Jersey, and I don't much care for the Trump Golf Course at Palos Verdes (too expensive). I am certainly NOT a neocon. I think the war in Iraq is a crime of the first magnitude, for which hubris we shall experience a huge nemesis.
Phil Giraldi
July 19th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Dug – What you say might be partially correct, but who owns the media in Canada? When you control the information that people read and hear, you win. Unless I have been misinformed, Canada has among the world's most invidious hate laws that make it nearly impossible to criticize Israel without being called anti-semitic.
William
July 19th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
The best solution is to send these Russian and Eastern European Ashkenazi Communist Khazars
in Israel back to the Pale of Settlement, from whence they came. Problem solved………
Seeker
July 19th, 2010 at 10:19 pm
I wish you weren't also. There are many Americans shut out of the discussion and
compelled by their consciences to speak out even when they know that they, Cassandra-like, will not be believed.
Seeker
July 19th, 2010 at 10:22 pm
America is like some old John who's paid obscene amounts of money to his whore, Israel, who continues to abuse him, steals his money, publicly humiliates him and still gives him no satisfaction.
Few things are as ludicrous and pathetic.
Vojkan Milosavljevic
July 20th, 2010 at 12:26 am
Obviously, you,re proving me wrong I wish there were more like you.
E. A. Costa
July 20th, 2010 at 12:36 am
Oh gee, "the vision thing"–that old, right?
Anna
July 20th, 2010 at 12:59 am
Netanyahu is PM of an apartheid state. Bibi seems appropriate
Anna
July 20th, 2010 at 1:01 am
When will Aipac, Jinsa, Emergency Committee for Israel all I lobbying groups be required to register under the FOREIGN AGENTS REGISTRATION ACT. Please call, contact your Reps and demand that these lobbying agencies for Israel register under the FARA.
jeff_davis
July 19th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
What do you not understand about the master/slave relationship? The slaves do the scut work, including killing and dieing — all the while expressing gratitude for the privilege of serving the chosen one. While the master enjoys the rewards, a life of luxury and self-congratulation. Once more:The chosen eat caviar, the poodle people eat bullets and pay for the caviar. Questions?
I'm absolutely astonished that the Zionists have managed not only to make the US its bitch, but to have so thoroughly messed with "her" head that she enthusiastically supports her own screwing.
Waiting for payback, but not holding my breath.
E. A. Costa
July 20th, 2010 at 4:01 am
Strange, clumsy, and incorrect usage of "germane" by the way.
E. A. Costa
July 20th, 2010 at 4:03 am
Yes, no doubt your "representatives" will act forthwith immediately upon receipt of your telephone calls.
emsnews
July 20th, 2010 at 11:46 am
The British, French, etc empires were NOT 'nationalists' at all. They were all monarchies, often ruled by families from entirely outside of the culture, language and history of their subjects. The US revived the ancient Greek notion of a 'nation'.
Richard Grant
July 20th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
It is difficult to tell the truth about Israel without being called "anti-Semitic." Such an accusation, even with no evidence, is a threat to almost any career. Those of us who put the interests of our own country ahead of Israel's interests will have to take the heat.
Todd Callison
July 20th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
E.A.
My friend you have way too much rage, and it is certainly misdirected at Justin. You are completely off topic. This article has nothing at all to do with the themes you have raised here.
I hardly think that Justin would condone the actions you describe in your article, as you seem to impute to him, putting words in his mouth. He is hardly representative of the dominant class, rather the ideological opposition, and one of the last great ideological bulwarks against the oppression you seethe against. You are totally confused, and you are blindly lashing out at whatever is out there.
This is polemics for no apparent reason other than a general unfocused rage. The most disturbing part is you betray your own racism with phrases like "watermelon army" and "West Indian in the woodpile" which make absolutely no sense at all.
Qasar
July 20th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
This is a naive question but one, to my knowledge, that has not been asked: how does American support for Israel affect an average American's life?
Other than Israel receiving a lot of money from us, which adds to our deficit, does US support for Israel mean that an American cannot continue to stop at Starbucks for his morning coffee, or not get promoted at a job, or has a negative impact on his relationship with his wife?
Conversely, if America stopped "supporting" (whatever that means) Israel, what effect would that have on an American's daily life?
I only request that anyone who answers this stop for 3 minutes before writing, so no knee jerk responses get posted. Also please keep in mind that these two questions are as neutral as you are likely to see. They are not pro or con anything.
E. A. Costa
July 20th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
"The US revived the ancient Greek notion of a 'nation'. "
Comes again?
E. A. Costa
July 20th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
"does US support for Israel mean that an American cannot continue to stop at Starbucks for his morning coffee:
Come again?
DublD
July 20th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
Ditto. Lot of anger, little substance.
What was done to the Indians was indeed dispicable but by no definition of the word "Imperialism". The Indians were not colonized, they were in large part eliminated. Huge difference. Not better, but very different. So if you are going to go off on some barely coherent, rage fueled rant and throw words like "Imperialism" around, you ought to at least know what they mean. You clearly are angry at America. Yet in your misuse of this word you falsely accuse them of a lesser crime. Not that anyone is taking you very serious. Your blind rage is too offputting.
Do you by chance understand the meaning of the word "irony"?
Deuce
July 20th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
Absolutely spot on.
Netanyahu is a fool if he believes he is pulling the only manipulation.
The windfall of political capital the 'terrorist' con has generated is, to quote Obama, UNPRECEDENTED! Businesses have benefitted, military industrial types have benefitted, the government has been able to expand itself and write check after check drawn upon your fear of "Terror". Yet there are those who say "why subject ourselves to this when there have been no terror attacks for a decade?". Aha! Enter Israel.
ISRAEL is who the terrorists REALLY hate. Israel has regular "terrorist attacks". Our "terrorist" enemies hate Israel and want to destroy them the way they want to destroy us. And Israel is literally surrounded by nations of Muslims (all of whom you can assume to be Islamic terrorists because they are brown).
Schmuck
July 20th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.
"For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."
Zuhir Mohsen, PLO chair.
Jaime
July 20th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
The idea of nation is a modern phenomenon coming out of the French revolution.
True Seeker
July 20th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
It affects everyone Qasar. Uncritical support of Israel's foreign adventurism and domestic repression makes it easy for the hardliners and extremeists in nearby islamic countries to portray America as not only a threat, but a force that must be opposed. These extremists then naturally employ asymmetric warfare, planning and sometimes executing terrorist attacks designed to maximise civillian casulties. These outrages are all that the American and Israeli administrations need to portray the terrorists not only as a threat, but a force that must be opposed. The Great Circle of Death continues.
Quite apart from the victims of terrorist attacks, are the acts of aggression by American/Israeli combined forces that lead to: 1) many civillian deaths on the opposing side; 2) the loss of allied military personel, and; 3) the various oportunity costs of spending vast amounts of resources on unrealistic miltary goals (unless those stated are "public relations narratives") using equipment and military doctrine & training that were principally designed for a shooting war between two large, industrial powers twenty years ago.
"…Does US support for Israel mean that an American cannot continue to stop at Starbucks for his morning coffee, or not get promoted at a job, or has a negative impact on his relationship with his wife?"
No.
It just means that The Great Circle of Death continues. The affect of it to the average American is a complicated question to answer. To someone like Madeleine Albright then "…the price is worth it." In my opinion the costs are incalculable. You decide for yourself.
Dick
July 20th, 2010 at 9:04 pm
That same idea destroyed Hellen Thomas' career, AIPAC continues to attack the truth.
Capn Mike
July 20th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
uh…. does the phrase "9/11" mean anything to ya??
Or the Gazillions spent on wars in the Middle East?
What else but our "support" of Israel put us in this quandary?
Duh.
Todd Callison
July 20th, 2010 at 10:25 pm
Shmuck,
So the Palestinian people can be starved out, driven from their homes, terrorized in their own land, and ethnically cleansed, no big deal. The perpetrators of all this can rest with a clear conscience because one of the opposing political leaders once said that they are in a "struggle against the state of Israel"
The Nazis were particularly effective in dehumanizing a particular group, and minimizing the importance of life, the same happens today in Israel/Palestine, only the roles have changed. The victims have become the perpetrators, it is a tragic pattern too often repeated.
Todd Callison
July 20th, 2010 at 10:54 pm
Qasar,
All Americans pay for the crimes of the Israeli regime, so we are all directly or indirectly responsible, depending on your viewpoint. The crux of the matter, and of all political discussion and participation or non-participation, is that we have the opportunity to change the world, or, conversely, to sit quietly drinking our tea and coffee, allowing the horror to continue indefinitely.
From a strictly self-interest perspective, these intrusive and activist foreign policies create a downward spiral of increasing taxes, insecurity, and increasingly endangered "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" from the US Government.
camus10
July 20th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
before hillary was OMG stanford professor Condi Rice and Colon Powell, a famous storyteller. They all did "shuttle" diplomacy that graball bag for betraying america.
I agree there needs to be a wholesale cleansing before the US has any chance of shedding its delusions
Chris Moore
July 22nd, 2010 at 6:01 pm
This article nicely illustrates why, for America, libertarian nationalism and a return to the Constitutional rule of law can be the only effective nation-salvaging response to the kind of nation-destroying subversion that has taken root in our soil, be it by Zionists, La Raza, Black nationalists, or any other cohesive, hostile, ethnocentric racial spoils group.
No doubt, a lot of European countries (and others the world over) will view America as a laboratory experiment on the long-term viability of multi-culturalism, and conclude its not worth the conflicts, hassles, headaches, subversion, and threat to national security and harmony. Indeed, America is probably finished as any kind of model for any country aspiring to sustained international greatness, be it geopolitical, economic, or otherwise. In fact, it's likely that hegemonic international Empires truly are a thing of the past — and good riddance.
Chris Moore
July 22nd, 2010 at 6:02 pm
But American can still be salvaged for the American people through a nationalism under the rule of law by expelling subversive and treasonous foreign nationalists, beating back internationalist statist liberals and socialists on the Left, globalist money-worshippers and Judeo-Christian Zionists on the Right, and their joint war against American sovereignty, and returning the country to its Constitutional roots and economy.
Long term, it seems clear that to hold it all together we’re faced with either taking this route, the neocon/neolib/Zionist route of resorting to domestic totalitarianism to hold it all together at gun point (which, like the Soviet Union, will only work temporarily anyway) or breaking the country up entirely.
Of the three, American patriots have only one choice, and that’s libertarian nationalism.
thos003
July 23rd, 2010 at 5:38 pm
Funny right wings believe the Left controls the mainstream media. Sounds like you believe the Zionists control the media. Seems to me that with so much media available today that "individuals" control the media. Like this blog. People can be as radical as they care to be online. People are free to say what they want. To read what they want. I don't believe anyone is truly "brain washed". No one forces people to watch TV. People choose to watch TV. People choose what to believe. They choose to sit and be preached to, to drink up the propaganda.
I haven't watched news online for years. Don't receive regular TV or cable at my home. I for one float through the online buzz. Fluttering from one site to the next. Formulating my own thoughts.
But, don't mind me, I am just a pest control guy.
victor
July 24th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
Unmasked…remove Bibi's mask and you have the devil…remove the devil's mask and you have Bibi.
One and the same.
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