The long-awaited first top level meeting in thirty years between US diplomats and their Iranian counterparts in Geneva is over but we are far from done with what promises to be a long, involved, and often quite scary drama, likely to unfold slowly-but-ominously over the next year. Odds are that, at this time in 2010, we’ll still be talking about Iran’s completely nonexistent nuclear weapons program, with rival versions of what Tehran is really up to battling it out within the administration and in the arena of public opinion. The opening shots of that war have been fired, and,while the War Party, spearheaded by the powerful Israel lobby, is bound and determined to strike at Iran, the news out of Geneva is not good for the "bomb bomb bomb Iran" crowd.
The Iranians, having preceded the negotiations with a fusillade of hard-line rhetoric and the testing of short-range missile, came out of the session touting the talks as "constructive" and sounding a lot more relaxed than when they went in. State-run Iranian television described the talks in positive terms and reiterated the desire of the Iranian government to broaden the scope of the discussions. The Americans, for their part, also characterized the talks as "constructive," yet tempered this generally optimistic tone with an oration by President Obama that reverted to lecture mode. It was a statement in which the word "must" was oft-repeated, and the imperious tone was effectively projected by a man whose bearing can surely be described as regal, as George W. Bush never was. Yet beyond the haughtiness, which seems reflexive, there was a significant concession: the President said, that Iran has the right to pursue the peaceful generation of nuclear power, "as all nations do."
This is a reference to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, which accords the signatories that right: and indeed, the NPT framework loomed large in the President’s remarks, including his indirect reference to Israel’s refusal to sign that treaty. "This is not about double-standards," said Obama, "or singling Iran out," but of course that’s just what it’s about. At this very moment Israel has a great deal of its nuclear arsenal – containing at least 200 atom bombs– aimed straight at Tehran, as well as god-knows-how-many other Middle Eastern capitals. Who is threatening nuclear holocaust in the Middle East? It isn’t the Iranian mullahs, that’s for sure.
Unlike our last emperor, this one is no dummy: he knows perfectly well that Israel’s possession of weapons of mass destruction is the real issue that hangs over the entire region, a nuclear sword of Damocles in the hands of whatever rabid rightist holds the reins of power in Tel Aviv. Also unlike Bush, Obama is not beholden to the Israel lobby in the same way the Republicans were and are: not that Democrats are immune to the Lobby’s power. Far from it: on the eve of this apparent breakthrough in the US-Iranian stand-off, the Democratic majority in congress voted to impose sanctions on foreign companies that import gasoline into Iran.
Unlike the Bush White House (and the congressional Democratic majority), however, Obama can survive without the Lobby backing him, whereas the abandonment of a pro-Israel agenda by the GOP would decimate the ranks of their activist base (where dwell the Christian dispensationalists who have theological reasons for supporting Israel over and above the interests of their own country). The Democratic party base, on the other hand, is hostile to the idea of going to war against Iran – not that this will prevent the Lobby’s allies in the party from tamping down anti-interventionist sentiment. Witness the following extraordinary exchange between Arianna Huffington, whose Huffington Post web site was set up to reflect the view of the party’s liberal wing (Hollywood division), and Glenn Greenwald, the fearless civil libertarian and anti-interventionist whose enormously popular Salon.com column has earned him a reputation as the conscience of the progressive movement:
Arianna reiterates the Lobby’s talking points in a tone of bored condescension – "Iran is challenging the existential presence of Israel, they don’t accept the reality of the Holocaust," and they therefore "represent a major threat to Israel." According to the doyenne of limousine liberalism – just back from a trip to Israel — Iran must be subjected to draconian sanctions and possible invasion because they say nasty things about Israel. And she doesn’t even have her facts straight: anyone in the blogosphere who’s read Juan Cole’s translation of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s infamous remarks, rather than MEMRI’s, knows that the usually over-the-top Iranian president was having one of his rare moments of calmness when he said Israel would "vanish from the page of time" — without war, as part of a natural process, just like the Soviet Union.
It was great watching Glenn Greenwald take Arianna apart with his hardheaded appeal to both realism and common sense – and his mention of the Unmentionable Israeli nuclear arsenal. Greenwald demolished her talking points, methodically and unmercifully, and he did it by simply sticking to the facts: look, he said, at what Iran and the US have actually done. It is the US that has occupied nations on Iran’s borders, in Iraq and Afghanistan, while you have to go back a thousand years to pin down the last time the Iranians (then the Persians) crossed their borders and invaded another country. It was the US that backed Saddam Hussein when he invaded Iran, in a war in which hundreds of thousands were slaughtered. So who is the real aggressor here?
Typically, Huffington framed her remarks in terms of Obama’s personal triumph in getting the Russians to go along with the fake outrage accompanying the Qom revelation: once a partisan hack always a partisan hack, and it doesn’t matter if, like Arianna, you’ve switched parties. Yes, the "international community" (i.e. the West) is "more united than ever," as she put it they all agree that Iran is the next target.
The reality, however, is quite different: the international community is very far from unified on the Iranian issue. The Russians and the Chinese are not going to go along with the "get Iran" lynch mob now lining up behind French President Sarkozy and the vehemently anti-Iranian Germans. More importantly, the Iraqis aren’t going to go along with it, either and good luck enforcing a blockade when goods can pass freely between Iraq and Iran. It can’t be done.
Our president knows this, and is by no means eager for a conflict with Iran: this is what has the Israelis furious with him, and it has the Lobby in a tizzy. The news out of Geneva – a face-to-face bilateral discussion on the margins of the conference, the surprise two-hour visit to Washington by the Iranian foreign minister, the added fillip that the Iranians will export some of their enriched uranium for medical purposes, and the good news that Qom will be open to inspectors very shortly – has the War Party in the doldrums. But don’t worry: they’ll bounce back soon enough. They always do.
We have much to look forward to in the coming months, as the propaganda war goes into full gear. First up: yet more "revelations" of supposed nuclear installations. The news out of Geneva was barely posted on the internet before stories of a top secret "parallel network" of clandestine nuclear sites began to circulate like autumn leaves in the wind. All offered without evidence – just the speculative theories of various "experts" with impressive-sounding titles, including the ubiquitous anonymous "officials" whispering sweet nothings into reporters’ ears.
The battle for public opinion is going to be decisive in the coming months, and that’s why Antiwar.com is more essential than ever. You can bet your bottom dollar we’ll be treated to more surprises – sudden "revelations" of "secret intelligence" that will somehow find its way into the spotlight – and instant debunking is going to be available right here. That’s what’s needed 24/7 in order to keep the War Party at bay.
It’s interesting to note, in this context, how Greenwald’s slap-down of Huffington ended: the "moderator," a MSNBC hack, intervened on the pretext that Greenwald had somehow impugned the "integrity" of the media by accusing them of demonizing Iran – while, at that very moment, unbeknownst to Greenwald, MSNBC was running scary captions underneath his image as he was speaking: "Iran: Defiant and Dangerous"! What hypocrites!
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- The Orange Revolution, Peeled – February 7th, 2010
- Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell — Don’t Go – February 4th, 2010
- Who Was That Well-Dressed Man? – February 2nd, 2010
- Will the Dragon Awake? – January 31st, 2010
- The State of the Empire – January 28th, 2010





Nelson_2008
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:23 am
The people who made 9/11 happen (and I don't mean the Arab patsies, if there in fact were any in the first place) cannot afford to not have a war against Iran.
As the incriminating evidence of an "inside job" mounts, and the 9/11 truth movement grows larger and stronger accordingly, the real masterminds behind the false-flag terror attack of 09/11/2001 will be under more and more pressure to "finish the job". With the illusion getting harder to maintain by the day, they must realize that if they are exposed before they can sacrifice what's left of America in pursuit of their agenda, they will likely lose everything.
I really hope I'm wrong when I say this, but if Obama et al. won't willingly go along with war against Iran, I fully expect that the 9/11 conspirators will force it somehow, as they have nothing to lose at this point.
Smithboy
October 2nd, 2009 at 12:14 pm
I haven't been able to post a comment on Huffpost for more than a year. Seems my comments were to…shall we say… Glen Greenwald/Justin Raimondoish.
I remember reading earlier in the year that HUFFPOST got millions from a Jewish backer to make needed changes….as expected…so much for any criticism of Israel.
Juan Cole and Anti-war .com are my refuge. I wish I had millions to give to this site. Then we could kick some ass.
Geo1671
October 2nd, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Bravo Justin !
Quillen
October 2nd, 2009 at 12:55 pm
I've had the same experience as Smithboy. Comments that are even mildly critical of Israel somehow never make it through the mediation process at Huffington. I know there are some bloggers on the site who do criticize Israel very effectively, but it seems to me that there is a deliberate policy to let a few comments through to appear to be open minded on the issue while suppressing the rest. Arianna Huffington is a self promoting hypocrite who knows where her money comes from. She switches her political allegiance seamlessly in an effort to make herself a media player. God knows what she really stands for.
Paul Alexander
October 2nd, 2009 at 12:55 pm
It's time for us to admit we've been defeated. The perpetrators of the 9/11 inside job are far too powerful. Their tentacles have been allowed to extend too far. Our attempts at spreading the Truth have gone for naught. We are fighting a cabal that has operational control of major government bureaucracies by posting comments on blogs! WE CAN'T DO IT! OH GOD I HOPE I'M WRONG! NO BLOOD FOR OIL!
DMinor7th
October 2nd, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Um.. Arianna Who? Just don't read that shit. I don't watch the damn tube or soil my eyeballs with their B.S. "newspapers" so who has time to waste reading their crap on the net? It's all I can do to keep up with the news here and a few dozen other intelligent websites, left and (libertarian) right, thank you very much!
knowbuddhau
October 2nd, 2009 at 3:28 pm
[GAAAAAAAA! This software is driving me crazy. Beware the edit button, it will truncate your comment to smithereens. This is a fourth attempt.]
BRAVO! I saw the interview you mention, thanks for pointing it out.
I, too, had no luck getting comments on it posted to HuffPo. Neither the link to Greenwald's site, nor the YouTube link, could get past the moderators.
So when I saw Greenwald and Scahill on GRITtv with Laura Flanders, I took the opportunity to post this complaint there, along with three other examples of liberals pulling punches.
If anyone can add to the list, here';s the link:
Laura Flanders, GRITtv: http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/s...
Greenwald's site: http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/09/29...
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEuxel6Fv-0&fe...
1) Jane Mayer gave Leon Panetta a pass.
Melvin Goodman reported on an occasion of it over at The Public Record:
Her article in the current issue of the New Yorker, however, indicates that Mayer has lost her critical edge and that a Democratic administration will simply not get the scrutiny and skepticism that a Republican administration received. As Bob Herbert simply stated in today’s New York Times, “Policies that were wrong under George W. Bush are no less wrong because Barack Obama is in the White House.”
http://pubrecord.org/commentary/2043/jane-mayer-a...
2) Rachel Maddow gave Zbigniew Brzezinski a pass.
what does liberal propaganda look like?
DR. ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER TO PRESIDENT CARTER: Good to be with you.
RACHEL MADDOW: You said in a speech in Geneva last week that we are running the risk of replicating the Soviet experience in Afghanistan. I was desperately hoping you would be able to come on this show tonight so that you can tell us what makes you say that.
BRZEZINSKI: Well, I shouldn‘t be smiling, actually. It‘s a sad state of affairs. You know, the Soviets went into Afghanistan and within the first year, most Afghans were against them. And they stayed for about 10 years and they lost.
What an astonishingly bold lie of omission!
As any serious student of Afghanistan knows, in 1998, ZB bragged about luring the Soviets into the “Afghan trap.” Maddow let him get away with murder, never asking “Mika’s dad” (as Maddow calls ZB, referring to his daughter, Maddow’s MSNBC colleague) to account for his role in creating the blowback we call 9/11/2001.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32877724/
3) Even Stephen Colbert is parroting the anit-Iran propaganda.
OMG, did I hear that right? That’s what I thought the other day, and sure enough, I did. Colbert, how could you spout war-mongering propaganda like this?
First you conflate weapons with uranium enrichment in a piece characterizing MA as a terrorist, when Israel already HAS an undeclared fully operational nuclear arsenal completely outside the NPT and IAEA, which, of course, we helped them build. Where’s your outrage over that?
Then you go on to say”These mad men won’t have enough money to funnel to Al-Qaeda.” OBL is Sunni, dumb ass! So was secular Saddam. Zbig Brzezinski has more to do with Al-Qaeda, by setting the Afghan trap that now traps us, than either one of your bogeymen du jour. Are you a stooge, a dupe, or a propagandist? I never thought I’d do it, but here goes my first thumbs down.
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-v...
Mercury62
October 2nd, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Continued…. Arianna Huffington is a Fraud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is very convenient for this amoral "lady" Arianna Huffington to make such charges but then again she very much supports empire and power. Mrs. Huffington does not practice what she preaches. She is devoid of morals and conscience.
Did I say yet today, how much I hate those people? Yes, I do not like phony leftists any more than I like right wing jerks. At least the right wing jerks do not claim to be peaceniks. Right wingers support American imperial wars. I guess the so-called left and liberal side are so confused now that even wars of aggression can be considered okay because the Democrats are in power. The elites wanted it to be the Democrats and not Bush to start the war on Iran. It would look better and they knew that the liberal losers would go along with an attack on Iran if their Democrats were in charge of the state.
To be Continued……
Mercury62
October 2nd, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Continued…. Arianna Huffington is a Fraud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, you liberals and Democrats who would support a war on Iran are losers and immoral and can no longer yap your hypocritical mouths about Bush and Cheney at this point. This also goes for the jerks who write for the Washington Post, Huffington Post and the New York Times. You liberal losers and Democratic Party apologists must know that a war on Iran would not be a cakewalk and that the American economy may suffer to proportions you do not even realize. It is time for you liberals and Democratic Party apologists to wake up and stop being so amoral about war and peace issues. Just because the Democrats are in-charge now does not make a war of aggression justifiable.
Let Mrs. Huffington, Jonathan Capehart, David Ignatius and Richard Cohen go over and fight these imperial wars. I gave up my Democratic Party card long ago. I am a Radical and thus neither a liberal nor a conservative.
To be Continued……
Mercury62
October 2nd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Continued…. Arianna Huffington is a Fraud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I oppose all wars and yes all wars of naked aggression. I am indeed aiming this at all liberals and Democrats or any pro-war jerk for two main reasons:
1. Arianna Huffington is NOT A LIBERAL or PROGRESSIVE. She cornered a niche market with her blogsite and is BACKED by the same mega money people she claims to loathe. Arianna Huffington is not motivated by political or moral ideals but by money and it is money which backs her site at Huffington Post. She is a self-promoting narcissist.
2. Liberals and progressives and their associates must also understand that they can no longer blame Bush and Cheney for their unilateral wars as long as they support an attack on Iran.
***Iran is not any more a threat than Iraq had been. The writers at the Washington Post are stooges for the military establishment.
END——
proaw
October 2nd, 2009 at 4:27 pm
@Paul Alexander:
Excellent comment, and very well said. And I think that Obama and his gang are actually and unfortunately not too far at all from saying pretty much exactly this!
@Nelson_2008 and others:
IMO, 911 was not a total “inside” job (I would say partially yes) although I would have liked to have believed otherwise, but can't at this time after seeing too much evidence to say otherwise (the many, many videos and documentaries released by As Sahab – AQ's media wing, and the many other statements allegedly released by Bin Laden, Zawahiri, etc.), one reason being that I am a Muslim, and do share the same faith as the others who at least partially (with help from others – forces within the US govt., zionist agents/Mossad, etc.) allegedly perpetrated this act.
You have to realize that there no doubt are definitely very, very "misguided" Muslims, and for the most part calling themselves so-called "salafi jihadis" (this doesn't include other Muslims calling themselves Salafis, as they don't believe in this SJ ideology in the least bit and are the leading scholars refuting these SJ types), that do believe that killing noncombatants is halaal or permitted (although this goes against EVERYTHING in the Qur'an, and the Sunnah BTW), and that everything that AQ and bin Laden and his criminal gang does is "legitimate" and "correct," etc., and that other Muslims who disagree with them are basically munafiqs/hypocrites (or murtadeen/apostates, or nonbelievers/kuffar themselves who are even worse then say the Crusaders and Jews/zionists who are actively in literal combat with the Muslims) even though again, as there have been many, many refutations written against them from other Sunni Muslims (i.e. Salafis).
Anyway sorry for long post, I just wanted to say that AQ is real (not that it's a real threat to the “West” (or East) in the least bit (!!!), but that's another topic), and that they have and did take responsibility for the acts of 911, and that just because this act of 911 certainly, 100%, absolutely and TOTALLY helped the zionist propagandists/the Israel lobby, the neocons, the state of Israel, the military industrial complex, etc., and the fact that this helped the “Crusaders” to destroy the only legitimate Islamic govt on Earth (with all of it's flaws, but that's besides the point) who had NOTHING to do with the 911 events, and has led to the killing of a million plus Muslims, and the Western "crusader" occupation of 2 Muslim countries (more coming?), the strengthening of the West's puppets and stooges (who most Muslims regard as apostates) in Muslim countries, that YES, AQ, and their propagandists STILL are very proud of this act and have done nothing, but defend this evil, heinous, despicable act.
knowbuddhau
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:35 pm
knowbuddhau October 2nd, 2009 at 1:32 pm 5
http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/s...
Justin Raimondo has an article about the Greenwald-Huffington debate mentioned above.
JUSTIN RAIMONDO, ANTIWAR.COM: Witness the following extraordinary exchange between Arianna Huffington, whose Huffington Post web site was set up to reflect the view of the party’s liberal wing (Hollywood division), and Glenn Greenwald, the fearless civil libertarian and anti-interventionist whose enormously popular Salon.com column has earned him a reputation as the conscience of the progressive movement: . . . .
RickR30
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Folks need to stop visiting the website of that ghastly woman that Mr. Raimondo mentions. Every visit and participation means $ for those hacks and traitors.
It's astonishing that people are threatening to go to war with a country merely for the maliciously (?)mistranslated words of their leader. Is that were the world is headed to? Elsewhere talk about the jewish holocaust is already criminalized. What's next? Criticize Israel and be automatically sentenced to death.
But I'm still cautious about this administrations response to Iran. The optimism may be premature. I don't know whether this president is smart or not but he often has the right instincts. However, as soon after he expresses those, things happen, he gets "talked to", who knows, and then he reverses his position and becomes a mouthpiece of the neo-con establisment elites. We're still very far from this administration not launching a war against Iran for no good reason. Remember, Iran has still a chance to "not cooperate," to remove inspectors, and do who knows what that will then supposedly merit months of bombardments.
Nelson_2008
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Of course 9/11 was a "total inside job". The evidence is simply overwhelming, and no other scenario fits the facts. The only things left to debate between reasonable people are the details of exactly how it was done.
And there was no legitimate (i.e., verifiable) claim of responsibility for 9/11 by any Arab/Islamic group, BTW.
In general, I no longer debate this issue with people who support (or claim to support) the "official" conspiracy theory, as I feel that if they can't accept what their own eyes are telling them, what good can my words possibly do?
Henry_Clemens
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Americans need not fear Iranians, Iraqis, Afghanis, North Koreans, Russians, Chinese or even the so-called "terrorists." They cannot destroy America. Our real enemy is the American Ruling Establishment (our homegrown congressional-military-industrial-banking-MSM criminal gang of liars, thieves and murderers). THEY, are the ones who are systematically destroying our liberties with their tyrannical legislation. THEY are the ones who are systematically destroying the value of the dollar with their private banking cartel known as the FED. THEY are the ones who are systematically destroying the American economy with their insatiable greed and lust for monopolized economic power. THEY are the ones whose worldwide empire of military bases and perpetual wars of imperialism are causing the impoverishment of the American people. (continued)
Henry_Clemens
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:43 pm
So now that we know who our real enemies truly are, what are we going to do about it? It is time for ordinary Americans to start raising some old-fashioned, righteous hell.
Nelson_2008
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:57 pm
I don't thing "we've been defeated" quite yet.
I'm going to wait and see what happens with the NYCCAN effort, and there's still a chance that something will happen in the international realm, if not domestically.
Lastly, I understand that other peer-reviewed scientific papers are in the works, and I'm anxiously awaiting those.
I agree that it looks grim at times, and the perps are using their political influence and media control very effectively, and of course the passage of time works to their advantage as well, but they're not "out of the woods" by a long-shot and they know it.
Paul Alexander
October 2nd, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Iran, if you continue to use the rights afforded you through international treaties, we have no recourse but to bomb the shit out of you. Your attempting to behave as if you are a viable nation and member of the international community and not a nation branded with the title of "Islamo Middle East Menace" is pushing us to ramp up out threats in the hopes that you will, you know, just lay down and die or something. Actually, we're not sure what we want you to do, we'll get back to you. We do not threaten you with any malice but instead with the magnanimous intent of strengthening the bonds between our nation and yours, the historic Persian Kingdom. Your insistence in seeing this as instead a situation necessitating a militarily defensive posture really just irritates us here in DC. Please, the next time we invite you to meet with us, we'd really appreciate it if you'd come crawling, or if that won't play well at home and you need some dignity, on your knees. Is that so much to ask?
Thanks,
'Bama
Smithboy
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Unfortunately the Israeli Lobby and their supporters have done a skillful job of not being exposed for pushing the US into wars. Talk to the average person about the Israeli lobby and they look at you like you have lost your mind. It still amazes me how much influence one sh##y little country has on world politics. Of course they have a lot of help from David Gregory, Chris Wallace, NY Times and…oh…did I forget…the entire US Congress.
knowbuddhau
October 2nd, 2009 at 3:18 pm
WTF?! I tried to edit a comment and it got truncated to just two sentences! This is a third attempt.
BRAVO! I saw that, and felt the same. "The doyenne of limousine liberals"–nice! I came up with "the nouveau liberal media maven."
Strangely enough, I couldn't get links to the video to stick to HuffPo, despite being a member since November, '06. Neither a link to Greenwald's site, nor a link to the YouTube video, could make it past the moderators. So when I saw Greenwald and Scahill on GRITtv with Laura Flanders, I took the opportunity to post this complaint, along with three other examples of the same liberal punch-pulling.
http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/s...
Greenwald's: <a href="http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/s…” target=”_blank”>http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/s…
YouTube video: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEuxel6Fv-0&fe…” target=”_blank”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEuxel6Fv-0&fe…
MSNBC infamously fired Phil Donahue in the lie-fueled run-up to the Iraq invasion. Is that the fear that keeps the liberal media leaders "on the reservation?"
<a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2005/3/24/phil_donahu…” target=”_blank”>http://www.democracynow.org/2005/3/24/phil_donahu…
Jane Mayer gave Leon Panetta a pass.
Melvin Goodman reported on an occasion of it over at The Public Record:
~~~~~~~~~~~
Her article in the current issue of the New Yorker, however, indicates that Mayer has lost her critical edge and that a Democratic administration will simply not get the scrutiny and skepticism that a Republican administration received. As Bob Herbert simply stated in today’s New York Times, “Policies that were wrong under George W. Bush are no less wrong because Barack Obama is in the White House.”
<a href="http://pubrecord.org/commentary/2043/jane-mayer-a…” target=”_blank”>http://pubrecord.org/commentary/2043/jane-mayer-a…
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Rachel Maddow gave Zbigniew Brzezinski a pass.
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What does liberal propaganda look like?
DR. ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER TO PRESIDENT CARTER: Good to be with you.
RACHEL MADDOW: You said in a speech in Geneva last week that we are running the risk of replicating the Soviet experience in Afghanistan. I was desperately hoping you would be able to come on this show tonight so that you can tell us what makes you say that.
BRZEZINSKI: Well, I shouldn‘t be smiling, actually. It‘s a sad state of affairs. You know, the Soviets went into Afghanistan and within the first year, most Afghans were against them. And they stayed for about 10 years and they lost.
~~~~~~~~
What an astonishingly bold lie of omission!
As any serious student of Afghanistan knows, in 1998, ZB bragged about luring the Soviets into the “Afghan trap.” Maddow let him get away with murder, never asking “Mika’s dad” (as Maddow calls ZB, referring to his daughter, Maddow’s MSNBC colleague) to account for his role in creating the blowback we call 9/11/2001.
<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32877724/” target=”_blank”>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32877724/
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Even Stephen Colbert parroted the anti-Iran hysteria.
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OMG, did I hear that right? That’s what I thought the other day, and sure enough, I did. Colbert, how could you spout war-mongering propaganda like this?
First you conflate weapons with uranium enrichment in a piece characterizing MA as a terrorist, when Israel already HAS an undeclared fully operational nuclear arsenal completely outside the NPT and IAEA, which, of course, we helped them build. Where’s your outrage over that?
Then you go on to say”These mad men won’t have enough money to funnel to Al-Qaeda.” OBL is Sunni, dumb ass! So was secular Saddam. Zbig Brzezinski has more to do with Al-Qaeda, by setting the Afghan trap that now traps us, than either one of your bogeymen du jour. Are you a stooge, a dupe, or a propagandist? I never thought I’d do it, but here goes my first thumbs down.
<a href="http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-v…” target=”_blank”>http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-v…
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Do even liberal stalwarts like Colbert and Maddow have to parrot the NSA-type propaganda in order not to get cashiered like Phil Donahue did?
FBastiat
October 2nd, 2009 at 4:22 pm
"[T]he 'get Iran' lynch mob now lining up behind French President Sarkozy and the vehemently anti-Iranian Germans."
WHY are the French and Germans "vehemently anti-Iranian"? Their motivation?
MvGuy
October 3rd, 2009 at 2:38 am
I took Arianna Huffington from Cafe Moxy on Main St. in Vineyard Haven, Matrha's vineyard.. to "Camp David" two towns away in Chilmark… probably three or four years ago. I was driving a cab and I was dispatched to pick up a passenger there at Moxy [Since and burnt & demolished] like # 7.. When she came out and approached me, I said Well… Is it really our Arianna??? She replied… "I suppose I am"
Of course being an antiwar activist, I wanted to engage her in conversation, but she was on her cell during nearly all of the trip, dealing with complaints about comments that were posted on her site. when we arrived I was able to speak to her for a minute or so.. I told her of my opposition to the war….and asked her what she thought of antiwar.com and Justin Raimondo….. She said she did not know who he is and paid the fare with ample tip, said goodbye….and walked off down the path to "Camp David"… At the time I did know that she had been married to HYPER NeoCon Tom Lantos…… Maybe spy…Tom Lantos…. Certainly, divided loyalty Lantos……
Nelson_2008
October 3rd, 2009 at 3:35 am
I don't think "we've been defeated" quite yet.
I'm going to wait and see what happens with the NYCCAN effort, and there's still a chance that something will happen in the international realm, if not domestically.
Lastly, I understand that other peer-reviewed scientific papers are in the works, and I'm anxiously awaiting those.
I agree that it looks grim at times, and the perps are using their political influence and media control very effectively, and of course the passage of time works to their advantage as well, but they're not "out of the woods" by a long-shot, and they know it.
MvGuy
October 3rd, 2009 at 4:45 am
I took Arianna Huffington from Cafe Moxy on Main Street in Vineyard Haven [ Martha's Vineyard] to "Camp David" in Chilmark. about three or four years ago…..
I was driving a cab at the time and was dispatched to Cafe Moxy, since burned & demolished like Blld. #7………..
When I arrived at Cafe Moxy, the owner [and a presumed fellow contrabandito] Paul Currier, came out of the restaurant, and told me "she" would be a little longer. He told me "she" was Arianna Huiffington…. I waited…. After awhile "she" came out… and approached the cab… I said.. "Well, Is it really our Arianna? " She replied, "I suppose so"… She got in and almost immediately was on her cell phone …dealing with complaints about the comments on her site.. [It sounded like people with her phone number were trying to control the scope of the comments.] Being an antiwar activist, I wanted to engage her in conversation about the pretexts for the war[s] and the bush lies that enabled the wars.l She finished her calls just as we arrived at "Camp David"…. Yes there was some sort of markee with "Camp David" in carved letters…. I told her of my opposition to the wars.. and asked her what she thought of antiwar.com and Justin Raimondo. Her reply…. "I don't know who he is" She paid the fare with ample tip and walked down the path to "Camp David'…. I also drove some of the Clinton secret service detail down to Stephen and Maureen's Ratner's place for a party just after Bill was deposed in the Monica Lweinski affair… I have had several encounters with the Who's who people here in my retirement years includiong Mike Wallace telling me that Bill should have ben impeached for the Monica tryst……As if No One at 60 Minutes ever "did" an inter… Oh equal?? John Gotti Yeah… and his birthday fire works waay outdo the town dispalys…Like the kingmaker that he is/was
on Martha's Vineyard…
From …..my water front home here… somewhat subsiidized by Afghan "produce" and by doing this and that since my hash smuggling days and my time in Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Lebanon and Morocco… without even a broken fingernail… except for my "bust" by the DEA… for "conspiracy to import a controlled substance [ten thousands pounds of hash] into "Port of refuge' RI…………
Henry_Clemens
October 3rd, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Where have all America's leaders gone, a long time passing? WAR! Where have all America's leaders gone, a long, long, time ago? WAR! Where have all America's leaders gone? They're gone to idiocy everyone. When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn?
Mercury62
October 3rd, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Arianna Huffington is a Fraud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Arianna Huffington is a fraud and always will be so. Arianna Huffington now poses as a “liberal” when she had been a Republican huckster her entire life. Yes, there is nothing to trust about Mrs. Huffington or anything she puts on her propagandistic site.
Not only was Arianna Huffington a very loyal Republican, but Fluff Post or known as Huffington Post is backed by big bucks and people very connected to the war industry. Arianna Huffington was a big hater of the Clinton's and then claimed to hate George W. Bush. It is odd that she likes Obama even as the current president employs so mnay of those Clintonites that Mrs. Huffington claimed to hate in the 1990s. Yes, Mrs. Huffington is a liar and not worthy of anyone's trust on any issue. She gets way too much media attention and why the "left" or "liberals" like her is beyond me. I hardly ever go the awful Huffington Post site either. As Antiwar.com wrote years back, Huffington Post is connected to big money even as its owner denigrates the likes of Halliburton and Blackwater.
Huffington and Bill Maher are both "liberal" elitists who are racists as well. Many on the left are anti-Arab and yes, anti-Arab racists who support wars on these supposedly less than human people in the Arab/Muslim world yet claim to be in the enlightened class. People in the Arab/Muslim world reject modernity because it is so connected with marginalization of the other and steeped in raciist attitudes. Yes, those on the left think nothing of bombing countries in the Arab/Muslim world because of RACISM. The ZIONIST project of which Huffington supports is rooted in racism.
To be Continued……
JooRip
October 4th, 2009 at 1:25 am
The US ought to invest in Rods from God .
DrFix
October 4th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
She stands for herself and herself alone so long as the golden goodies keep flowing. She is nothing more than a silk sock puppet.
persnipoles
December 31st, 2009 at 6:36 pm
I've developed the opinion that there's often an in-your-face contrast between media noise and "your lyin' eyes." I think this comparison is a good start.
Think of how you would describe this to a friend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ1E2NPl-s8
Did you come up with anything like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE4KcqX2XaI
If I told you "Al Qaeda" did the first one, would you believe me?