Ron Rosenbaum, journalist (the New York Observer, Slate.com), author, and one of the few liberals to sign on to the ill-fated Pajamas Media fiasco, is damned mad:
“Will all the pundits who relied on the discredited 2007 NIE on Iran now admit that they were wrong? That they bought into and kept citing, without any serious questioning, the now clearly politically skewed analysis in the so-called National Intelligence Estimate of that year? You remember: the considered consensus wisdom of the entire U.S. intelligence community, which misled the world into believing there was nothing to worry about Iran’s nuclear program, that it had virtually ceased.”
Bring in the “congressional intelligence committees”! Heads must roll! Someone call 911 – because those shifty-eyed spooks who gave us the NIE [.pdf] knew, knew about this “secret facility” and still they insisted the Iranians had given up their nuclear weapons program in 2003. Has Tehran infiltrated and taken over the CIA?
Well, uh, no. It’s just that, unlike Rosenbaum, the spooks operate in a world where logic rules and what’s required before reaching a conclusion is something we call “evidence.” This is a matter Rosenbaum and the “bomb-bomb-bomb Iran” crowd couldn’t care less about: Iran is evil, the Qom facility is (or was) secret, so what else do we need to know in order to start World War III? Surely not something so pedestrian and wimpy as solid evidence. After all, it’s only lives – many thousands of lives lost to murderous sanctions, as well as the inevitable war to follow – that are at stake.
The mere fact that the CIA issued their NIE – averring “with high confidence” that the Iranians had ceased their previously undisclosed nuclear weapons program “in the fall of 2003″ – with full knowledge of this sinister, secret facility should tell Rosenbaum something: not that our CIA is a front for the Iranian Republican Guard, but that he knows less than they do about what is really going on in Qom. After all, they’ve had years to conduct surveillance and analysis. Is it possible they know more about Qom than Rosenbaum does?
But of course not. According to Rosenbaum, the NIE was a “lie,” deliberate “disinformation” planted by those traitors in the CIA who ought to be brought up before a congressional committee and grilled until they’re as overdone as Rosenbaum’s histrionics. Yes, and all those pundits, too, who took the NIE as gospel and were “had” – when are they going to “fess up”?
Coming from someone who supported the Iraq war – a war based on completely made-up “intelligence” – Rosenbaum’s posturing takes the cake. But then again, as someone who sees Hitler under every bed, it wasn’t hard for Rosenbaum to be “had,” as he puts it: he and his pro-war confreres on what today passes for the Left – Christopher Hitchens, Paul Berman, and the rest of that Legion of Lost Souls – were ready, willing, and perfectly able to be let themselves be deceived, because they didn’t care one whit for the truth.
They still don’t. The accusation that Iran is going nuclear in order to make a bomb that it plans to drop on Israel is nonsense, and they know it. It is enough for them that Iran exists, and, for some, that it opposes Israel.
The one word these people don’t want to hear is “Dimona” – the site of Israel’s nuclear weapons research facility. As Juan Cole puts it:
“There is no good evidence that Iran has a nuclear weapons program. It
has offered to allow regular International Atomic Energy Agency inspections
of the newly announced facility near Qom, which would effectively prevent it
from being used for weapons production.
“There is a secret nuclear facility in the Middle East, however, producing
plutonium and not just enriched uranium, which has the capacity to make 10
nuclear warheads a year.”
The idea that Israel could indefinitely maintain a nuclear monopoly in the region – enforced by the U.S. military – was never a very practical one. Israel’s attorneys in this country who argue that Iranian success in joining the nuclear club would set off a regional arms race are a bit late: the race started the moment Israel stole the technology from the West and made its own nukes with French assistance and over U.S. opposition. Israel has been threatening to attack Iran for years, and who is to say they wouldn’t nuke Tehran? Indeed, one prominent Israeli writer, Benny Morris, made the case for just that, no doubt with the encouragement of his government. It could be a bluff – but why take the risk?
Instead, what we need is, yes, sanctions! Backed up with a UN resolution, of course; these things have to be done properly. And when we’ve degraded life in Iran to an almost unbearable degree, embargoing such military-related items as incubators, toilet paper, and toothbrushes – just as we did in Iraq – then we can move in for the kill. Just as we did in Iraq, and just as Rosenbaum and his war-crazed cohorts would like to do in Iran.
The propaganda blitz is starting right on schedule, with Obama in the Israelis’ pocket and sanctions a nearly foregone conclusion. The shooting war may be a bit down the road, but it’s coming. Be patient. There will be a lot of palaver about “intelligence,” with the Israelis and our European allies feeding us their own interpretations of what little real information they can glean about Iran’s capabilities – views skewed (indeed, determined) by simple geography.
Check out this New York Times piece, which has the Germans saying the Iranians never gave up their nuclear weapons program and the French saying the IAEA is covering for Tehran. The Israelis, naturally enough, are the most hysterical. The Americans, on the other hand, are sticking to their guns – in spite of Rosenbaum – and offering the most conservative estimate, which is that the Iranians gave up on nukes six years ago and haven’t restarted their program. Roughly speaking, the closer one is to Iran, physically, the more one tends to interpret the intelligence to reflect one’s deepest fears, editing out facts that don’t fit.
The facts are these: Iran has revealed the existence of the Qom facility and opened it up to international inspection. Which means it can’t be used to make a nuclear weapon. In a rational world, that would be the end of the story. In the world we live in, however – a world in which the Israel lobby wields inordinate power in Washington and every other Western capital – it is just the beginning.
Never mind the facts: they can be spun this way and that. Our own intelligence community, with America’s interests in mind, may hold out for quite a while, but, in the end – just like last time – they’ll be inundated by their rivals among our allies, principally (but not limited to) the Israelis, who are quite good at feeding disinformation into the intelligence pipeline without leaving too many fingerprints. That’s one of the disadvantages of being an empire: we are held hostage by our own satraps, who depend on us for their very survival – and are therefore passionately committed to shaping our decisions any way they can.
Iran is challenging both the U.S. and Israel in a region of the world that we and our allies have long dominated. If they are allowed to get away with it, other “rogue” nations will get ideas, and then there’s no stopping the unraveling of the “world order” we have worked so long and hard to maintain. We may bankrupt ourselves in the process, drive the price of oil up to $200 a barrel, and start World War III – but confront them we will, of that you can rest assured. It’s only a matter of time. The pro-war ads have already begun, and the “liberal” media is lining up behind its commander in chief. All the actors are in their places, and now the drama – an all-too-familiar drama – begins. “Weapons of mass destruction," phony intelligence, a compliant media: all the ingredients are there. All that’s needed is a spark that sets off the conflagration…
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- Antiwar.com vs. the FBI – May 21st, 2013
- Two Cheers for ‘Isolationism’ – May 19th, 2013
- Our Civil Liberties, RIP – May 16th, 2013
- Raping the World – May 14th, 2013
- The Price of Peace – May 12th, 2013





pokums
September 30th, 2009 at 4:58 am
Edit note: In 13th or so paragraph, 2nd sentence, "Israel" should be "Iran" :
…And when we’ve degraded life in Israel [should be Iran] to an almost unbearable degree, embargoing such military-related items as incubators, toilet paper, and toothbrushes – just as we did in Iraq – then we can move in for the kill. …
Shishlakji
September 30th, 2009 at 6:59 am
…"Israel" should be "Iran"…
Not so; your irony nerve must be atrophied. Justin meant it exactly as written. He is proposing the same remedy for Israel's actual nuclear capability as Israel's supporters are urging the world to apply to Iran's theoretical capability.
retiretheempire
September 30th, 2009 at 8:01 am
Perhaps we should just start referring to our war-crazed class of Iran-haters as the pro-israel "left" and the pro-israel "right". After all if they really are THAT pro-israel, they should wear the label like a badge of honor and stop pretending there is any other reason for their ranting about Iran's nuclear program than their "Israel-first" agenda.
Geo1671
September 30th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Bravo and many cheers to Justin!
Note: actually Israel is a NATO funded USA military base . Europe needs oil and USA is the hired thug.
Did you know that (most hated) Germans give Israel,several nuke capable carrying submarines?
Smells,the start of WWIII
MoonofA
September 30th, 2009 at 10:03 am
This is what I send to an email list yesterday:
In the NYT today Broad, Mazzetti and Sanger write: A Nuclear Debate Brews:
Is Iran Designing Warheads?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/world/middleeas…
/quote/
The Israelis, who have delivered veiled threats of a military strike, say they believe that Iran has restarted these “weaponization” efforts, which would mark a final step in building a nuclear weapon. The Germans say they believe that the weapons work was never halted.
…
German intelligence officials take an even harder line against Iran. They say the weapons work never stopped, a judgment made public last year in a German court case involving shipments of banned technology to Tehran. In recent interviews, German intelligence agencies declined to comment further.
/endquote/
The NYT is lying here.
There were reports back in July that the German secret service BND had said something like the above. In July there was a piece in the German weekly magazine Stern and the WSJ printed an opinion piece by one Bruno Schirra (who is know as not-so-reliable in Germany):
Germany's Spies Refuted the 2007 NIE Report
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12480366941406303…
The BND refuted the Stern piece:
Germany's BND denies report on Iran bomb timing.
http://news.stv.tv/world/109248-iran-could-have-a…
/quote/
[A] BND spokesman said the article did not reflect the view of the agency, which is that Iran would not be able to produce an atomic bomb for years.
"We are talking about several years not several months," the spokesman said.
/endquote/
The German NPT and arms control guru Oliver Meier took the WSJ opinion piece apart:
Iran Weaponization Intel: A Cautionary Note
http://totalwonkerr.com/2077/iran-weaponization-i…
/quote/
Schirra uses the Court’s 30-page legal opinion and a press release by the Court to claim that the BND “has amassed evidence of a sophisticated Iranian nuclear weapons program that continued beyond 2003.”
However, the information publicly available about the Court’s ruling does not support such a broad claim.
/endquote/
A week ago the head of the BND, Ernst Uhrlau, was on public TV here.
Ernst Uhrlau im PHOENIX-Kamingespräch
http://www.phoenix.de/content//264616
/quote/
Des weiteren widerspricht Ernst Uhrlau einem Stern-Bericht, demzufolge der Iran kurz vor dem Bau einer Uran-Bombe stehe: "Dieses Zitat deckt nicht die Aussage des BND (…), denn der Iran ist nicht in der Lage innerhalb eines halben Jahres nuklearfähig zu sein." Es gehe dem Iran auch nicht darum, ob "er innerhalb von einem, zwei, drei oder vier Jahren eine nukleare Schlagfähigkeit" erreichen könne. Der Iran ziele darauf ab, "durch die Beherrschung des doppelten Brennstoffkreislaufes die Fähigkeit zu erwerben, zu entscheiden, wann eine Nuklearwaffe für den Iran Sinn macht oder nicht."
/endquote/
My rough translation
/quote/
Additionally Urlau refuted a Stern report which said Iran was a short time before building a Uranium bomb."That quote does not fit the statements of the BND (…) because it is impossible that Iran can have nuclear weapon capability within a half year." It would not be Iran's point "to reach nuclear weapon capability in two, three or four years". Iran is aiming at "mastering the nuclear fuel cycle and gaining the ability to decide when and if a nuclear weapon makes sense for them or not."
/endquote/
The BND says that Iran's (civil) nuclear program continues. It did never claim that a Iranian nuclear weapon program exists or continues.
So the BND has multiple times denied what the NYT says it has claimed.
This is "Curveball" and Iraq WMD all over.
The NYT is again manipulating for war.
(Feel free to use the above)
zouppie
September 30th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
While an embargo of the Middle Easts' primary warmonger might be warranted The reality of Israel's ICBM capacity provided by it's Jericho III ballistic missile, might make an embargo hazardous..
The Jericho III has a range sufficient to reach most of North America and all of Europe, An embargo would probably be perceived as an existential threat.by Israel.
Nelson_2008
September 30th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
First, if Europe "needs oil", the best way to get it would be to start treating the inhabitants of the Arab/Islamic world like human beings, and stop being mercenaries/Zionist crusaders; not by helping to start confrontations and wars which, if anything, would make oil scarce. It follows that this mess has nothing to do with "oil".
Second, since Israel, by and through its many agents, basically dictates "U.S. government" policy, and since NATO is basically run by the "U.S. government", by simple syllogism, it follows that NATO is basically just another an Israeli instrument, and not vice versa.
Nelson_2008
September 30th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
First, if Europe "needs oil", the best way to get it would be to start treating the inhabitants of the Arab/Islamic world like human beings, and stop being mercenaries/Zionist crusaders; not by helping to start confrontations and wars which, if anything, would make oil scarce. It follows that this mess has nothing to do with "oil".
Second, since Israel, by and through its many agents, basically dictates "U.S. government" policy, and since NATO is basically run by the "U.S. government", by simple syllogism, it follows that NATO is basically just another Israeli instrument, and not vice versa.
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RickR30
September 30th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Thanks for this. Good to know that the German intelligence community agrees with ours. Whether that will be a factor in the decision of German politicians is another matter of course.
RickR30
September 30th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Like the phony psychic says in the TV series "Psych" so too for the Death and Destruction Party- "the less evidence the better."
It'll be interesting to see if the utterly popularity-deflated Obama can bring together an international coalition to kill Iranians. Merkel has neo-con tendencies. Sarkozy is a full neo-con, with sudden bursts of brilliant populist ideas. I'm sure that Poland and Italy would join us in any war we start. But Spain has gone left and most other countries are too broke for this nonsense.
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Valerianus
September 30th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
Someone named Rosenbaum is screaming hysterically that the Iranians have bamboozled the CIA?! Who could have seen that coming???
Hacklheber
September 30th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
I think anyone who reads Stern without having a huge rock of salt nearby needs help. It's not exactly a high-brow/high-reliability magazine. It's something you put under your TV for when grandma comes over.
DrFix
October 2nd, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Funny but true.
DrFix
October 2nd, 2009 at 4:07 pm
I'm only waiting for my next conversation with friends who regularly fall for this sort of tripe. It seems that I can set them straight, and they acknowledge that I make sense, when "poof", a few months later, its as though the conversation never happened and I'm back to square one straightening them out once more. They forget time and again, just like the vast majority who sit wide-eyed and complacent before the idiot box, where they are "programmed".
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