The Iranian events have produced a veritable flood of commentary, most of which tells us more about ourselves than it does about what is really going on in the land of the Persians.
On the one hand, we have the cheerleaders – Andrew Sullivan comes to mind – who uncritically support the student-led "Green Revolution," and are now demanding… what?
Well, with Sullivan it’s not so clear: one minute he’s telling us the U.S. ought to withhold any kind of recognition of Iranian "President" Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and the next he’s hailing President Barack Obama for his restraint in not declaring all-out support for the Green Wave. His teetering between these two positions is reflected in the actions of his idol, our sainted president, who, on the one hand, initially refused to say anything much beyond hoping the crisis could be abated without resort to violence, and then – under pressure from Hillary and Joe Biden – issued a much stronger statement, calling for "justice," quoting Martin Luther King, and ending with a conjuration of some of that old-time Sixties rhetoric: "The whole world is watching." As indeed it is.
As a statement of concern, Obama’s message to the Iranians could have been a lot worse: he might have issued a not-so-veiled threat, and even pulled back from his election promise of meeting with Iranian officials without preconditions to negotiate the nuclear issue. This he did not do, and so we – at least those of us who anticipate with horror the prospect of war with Iran – can breathe a sigh of relief.
On the other hand, one has to wonder why it was necessary to say anything at all, beyond what had already been said: why is it that American chief executives feel compelled to pontificate on all matters, large and small, especially in this case? Everyone knows what Obama – and most Americans – feel and hope for when it comes to the Iranian crisis: he’s hoping Ahmadinejad is gone, replaced by his chief challenger, former prime minister Mir Hossein Mousavi, a veteran of the 1979 Iranian revolution, and – up until now – a mainstay of the regime. No statement beyond Obama’s first response was necessary, and one gets the impression the president allowed himself to be pushed into it, against his better judgment.
In any case, the cheerleaders have been getting louder as the protests continue and blood is shed: leading the charge are our old "friends," the neoconservatives, most of whom had been keeping a low profile (except on the op-ed page of the Washington Post). After the humiliation of having been proved totally wrong about Iraq, relative silence was the only viable option, at least for the moment.
Prompted by the Iranian turmoil, however, they have come out of hiding to claim an ersatz vindication. After all, didn’t they say that the "liberation" of Iraq would spark revolutions across the region, and specifically in Iran? Well, yes, but to attribute the Green Revolution to the presence of 120,000 American soldiers to the south, and more to the east in Afghanistan, is Bizarro World logic, at best.
The fact that Iran is nearly surrounded by enemies empowers and emboldens the hard-liners – Ahmadinejad’s faction – and cripples the opposition with a rather large albatross hung ’round its neck: the suspicion that they are a fifth column, agents of the Yankees and the hated Brits. Ahmadinejad and his supporters are now taking this line, including the supreme leader, Khamenei, who – in a weird, rambling speech – labeled them "terrorists," demanded an end to the demonstrations, and warned that failure to get with the program will end badly for the protesters.
Insofar as America’s impact on events in Iran is concerned, it’s a lot closer to the truth to say it was the Obama effect, rather than the "axis of evil" rhetoric, that loosened up the Iranian status quo enough to cause a split in the ruling elite and pit the moderates – Mousavi, Rafsanjani, the Ayatollah Montazeri – against Khamenei and his ally, Ahmadinejad.
The military threat to Iran posed by the presence of American troops in large numbers right across the border strengthens the Ahmadinejad faction, and it’s only the prospect of a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq that depressurizes the situation. There have been signs that the military is acting to protect the demonstrators from the Basij and other pro-Ahmadinejad paramilitary gangs, such as Ansar Hezbollah (not the Lebanese outfit, but a homegrown Persian hard-liner militia). This development – not yet fully unfolded – directly threatens the stability of the present regime and calls into question the authority of the supreme leader.
Khamenei’s legitimacy has already been undermined, perhaps fatally, by his ridiculous assertion that the election "results" amounted to a "divine assessment." If there is a divine assessment of Khamenei’s role in all this, he’ll wind up smack dab in the midst of the fires of Gehenna – and, if this goes on much longer, perhaps a lot sooner than he or anyone else thinks.
Although Flynt and Hillary Leverett think otherwise, there seems little doubt that the election results announced by the regime were completely fake. As one Iranian woman contemptuously remarked: "They didn’t even bother to count the votes. They just made it all up." Indeed they did, as this statistical analysis proves.
The devil, it appears, is in the last two digits of the numbers provided by Iran’s Interior Ministry, broken down by province. While the last two digits don’t usually make the difference and are considered "random noise," as statisticians Bernd Beber and Alexandra Scacco put it:
"But that’s exactly why they can serve as a litmus test for election fraud. For example, an election in which a majority of provincial vote counts ended in 5 would surely raise red flags. Why would fraudulent numbers look any different? The reason is that humans are bad at making up numbers. Cognitive psychologists have found that study participants in lab experiments asked to write sequences of random digits will tend to select some digits more frequently than others."
So what about Ahmadinejad’s "landslide"?
"The numbers look suspicious. We find too many 7s and not enough 5s in the last digit. We expect each digit (0, 1, 2, and so on) to appear at the end of 10 percent of the vote counts. But in Iran’s provincial results, the digit 7 appears 17 percent of the time, and only 4 percent of the results end in the number 5. Two such departures from the average – a spike of 17 percent or more in one digit and a drop to 4 percent or less in another – are extremely unlikely. Fewer than four in a hundred non-fraudulent elections would produce such numbers."
It gets worse, however, for the Ahmadinejad camp once we get into the frequency of adjacent numbers, which, apparently, human beings also have a penchant for when asked to generate random digits:
"On average, if the results had not been manipulated, 70 percent of these pairs should consist of distinct, non-adjacent digits.
"Not so in the data from Iran: Only 62 percent of the pairs contain non-adjacent digits. This may not sound so different from 70 percent, but the probability that a fair election would produce a difference this large is less than 4.2 percent. And while our first test – variation in last-digit frequencies – suggests that Rezai’s vote counts are the most irregular, the lack of non-adjacent digits is most striking in the results reported for Ahmadinejad."
Mathematics is an exact science, unlike politics, which is not a science at all, but statistical proofs don’t deter dogmatists, i.e., people whose minds are already made up and whose agenda is going to be pursued no matter what the facts are. And while the numbers don’t lie, governments do. This is particularly true of repressive regimes, such as the one presently lording it over the Iranian people, and yet there are some who defend the election "returns" reported by the Ahmadinejad-controlled Interior Ministry – in spite of a strong statement by some ministry employees who explicitly accused the regime of committing a massive fraud.
Imagine if the same thing happened in the U.S. – the uproar would preclude even an attempt to defend such a clumsy fabrication. Yet the Leveretts have no problem with this, averring that the regime’s accusers have "no evidence" of election fraud. I guess those Interior Ministry employees – or, perhaps, ex-employees – don’t count. Nor does the statement by Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi, Ahmadinejad’s spiritual mentor, issued right before the election, that rigging the vote would be okay, as long as it was for a good cause.
The Leveretts make some valid points. Yes, Western commentators preferred Mousavi. Yes, "they were oblivious – as in 2005 – to Ahmadinejad’s effectiveness as a populist politician and campaigner." They’re right that Ahmadinejad cleaned Mousavi’s clock in the televised presidential debate, where the pious son of a blacksmith accused his opponent of being part of Iran’s pervasive culture of corruption. The average Iranian really identifies with this kind of rhetoric, and Ahmadinejad no doubt enjoyed a surge of support that was missed by most Western commentators.
Yet the Leveretts ignore the atmospherics that accompanied the announcement of Ahmadinejad’s "victory." As the indispensable Pepe Escobar describes the sequence of events:
"Phones, SMS, text messaging, YouTube, political blogs, opposition websites, foreign media websites, all communication networks, in a cascade, were shutting down fast. Military and police forces started to take over Tehran’s streets. The Ahmadinejad-controlled Ministry of Interior – doubling as election headquarters – was isolated by concrete barriers. Iranian TV switched to old Iron Curtain-style ‘messages of national unity.’ And the mind-boggling semi-final numbers of Ahmadinejad’s landslide were announced (Ahmadinejad 64%, Mousavi 32%, Rezai 2%, and Karroubi less than 1%."
Ahmadinejad supposedly won a majority of the votes in Tehran, where he is clearly hated. Leverett fails to mention this, although he does mention the Azeri issue. Much has been made of Mousavi’s big loss in Azeri areas, since he is an Azeri, and the Leveretts take out after this talking point with alacrity. Well, they aver, Ahmadinejad speaks fluent Azeri and made a special appeal to that ethnic group, which seems plausible. However, what doesn’t seem so plausible is the fate of the other reform candidate, Karroubi, who supposedly lost in Oligudarz, his hometown. According to the Interior Ministry’s numbers, Karroubi lost his native province of Lorestan, and, says Escobar, "had less votes than volunteers helping in his campaign"!
Ahmadinejad, according to the official numbers, also took Kurdistan, one of Karroubi’s bastions of support. The official numbers, however, have Karroubi getting about 1 percent of the vote. Another suspicious detail: the ultra-conservative candidate, Rezai, is from Khuzestan, yet he was supposedly beaten by Ahmadinejad here, too.
The Leveretts don’t address these odd anomalies, but – in the fantastical context of the Interior Ministry’s numbers – they aren’t anomalies, because, as Escobar points out,
"Everywhere, all over the country, Ahmadinejad got between a steady 66% and 69%, no matter the region, no matter the predominant ethnic group, no matter the demographics."
How they arrived at the official numbers* over at Iran’s Interior Ministry is anybody’s guess. It’s just another indication of their supreme incompetence that they couldn’t even cobble together a semi-plausible lie. Their manipulation of the vote is so painfully obvious that it boggles the mind: how in the name of Allah the most merciful did they imagine they’d get away with it? They likely didn’t care, yet they clearly didn’t expect such an outburst of popular rage. They thought they could contain it. They were wrong.
Now we have the final verdict on the Interior Ministry’s numbers, coming from the Iranian government itself:
"Iran’s Guardian Council has admitted that the number of votes collected
in 50 cities surpass the number of those eligible to cast ballot in those areas.
"The council’s Spokesman Abbas-Ali Kadkhodaei, who was speaking on the
Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) Channel 2 on Sunday, made the
remarks in response to complaints filed by Mohsen Rezai – a defeated candidate
in the June 12 Presidential election.
“‘Statistics provided by Mohsen Rezai in which he claims more than 100% of
those eligible have cast their ballot in 170 cities are not accurate – the
incident has happened in only 50 cities,’ Kadkhodaei said."
Yeah, that Rezai character is such a drama queen! What’s he getting so excited about? After all, as Kadkhodaei assures us, “it has yet to be determined whether the amount is decisive in the election results." Oh, well, then, never mind! Move along – nothing to see here!
Backed into a corner, Ahmadinejad and his supporters are playing their trump card, and that is labeling the demonstrators "terrorists." In their typically incompetent fashion, however, they’re accusing Mousavi of being a "criminal" in league with a tiny cultish "opposition" group known as the Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK). I’ve written about these jokers at length, and you can refer to those pieces for more information, but suffice to say here that they have next to zero support in Iran. Indeed, their main base of support seems to be in Washington, D.C., where the more perfervid neocons have been agitating for the U.S. government to take MEK off the State Department’s list of terrorist organizations (where they’ve been ever since they bombed U.S. offices in Iran before the Revolution and killed and injured several U.S. citizens). The neocons, in their heyday during the Bush years, were pushing to use MEK the way they used Ahmed Chalabi and his Iraqi National Congress (INC) – those "heroes in error" who infamously lied us into war and ripped us off (in more ways than one) in the bargain. Significantly, MEK has been "credited" with funneling the same sort of phony evidence of Iranian "weapons programs" that the INC stove-piped to the Bush White House in the runup to war with Iraq.
The Ahmadinejad-Khamenei faction is calling this just another U.S.-engineered "color revolution," created and controlled by the Americans, and, unfortunately, some libertarians – in an excess of anti-interventionist zeal – are taking exactly the same line. Writing on the blog of LewRockwell.com, Daniel McAdams – a great guy, who has written for Antiwar.com and done good work for the anti-interventionist cause – asks "Who put the green in the Green Revolution?" His answer: "The United States, of course."
The demonstrators, you see, have adopted the color green as their theme, and so it must be a "color revolution" along the lines of those seen in the former Soviet bloc. What is the evidence for this?
Well, it seems that last year congressional leaders approved $400 million to effect regime-change in Iran, "plenty of lead time" to lay the groundwork for the Green Revolutionaries, but in fact this money, as the Washington Post (and Seymour Hersh, much earlier) reported, went to "rebel groups," such as Jundallah, armed groups who want to overthrow the regime by force. McAdams makes sure to boldface the words "rebel groups," but he doesn’t seem to understand the meaning of this phrase in plain English. The Iranian Greenies aren’t a "rebel group" like the MEK or Jundallah: they exist inside the Islamic system set up by Ayatollah Khomeini and the 1979 Revolution, as even the supreme leader acknowledged in his speech.
But that is just the beginning of McAdams’ errors. He writes:
"As in the previous ‘color revolutions’ that seem to tirelessly capture the romantic imagination of U.S. journalists, elites, and the propagandized population, the warm embrace of the U.S. empire is firmly guiding the ’spontaneous’ Iranian uprising against last week’s election results. While I do not and should not – nor should any other American – care in the slightest who rules a country some seven thousand miles away, when the fingerprints of the U.S. empire show up on these dramatic events overseas it is very much my business."
The error McAdams makes here is that there is a difference between "caring" about the freedom (or lack of it) in a country seven thousand miles away and organizing a U.S.-government-backed attempt to overthrow a sovereign government. I would argue that if one truly cares about spreading freedom overseas, the last agency to put in charge of the effort should be the U.S. government – especially when it comes to Iran, given the history of U.S. meddling in that country’s affairs. U.S. intervention, in nearly every case, has led to the betrayal and defeat of the pro-freedom forces. Our allies became mere instruments of U.S. foreign policy instead of a truly indigenous movement with roots in the population.
I have no doubt that the U.S. is covertly trying to effect regime-change in Iran and that some of that $400 million found its way into the hands of the Green Revolutionaries, but that doesn’t mean the movement is controlled or has been created by the CIA, as McAdams (and Ahmadinejad) claim. Yes, they’ve adopted green as their official color, but so what? Green stands for Islam, and this movement – like all movements in Iran – is based on religious principles. McAdams putting the Iranian events in the same league as Georgia’s U.S.-engineered Rose Revolution or the Orange Revolution in Ukraine is a facile explanation that doesn’t stand up under the most cursory examination.
It’s interesting that the neocons, or most of them, are saying essentially the same thing as McAdams and his fellows at the now nearly defunct British Helsinki Human Rights Group, albeit for an entirely different reason. The neocons aver that Ahmadinejad’s "victory" proves the hopelessness of dealing with the Iranians at all – except, of course, by bombing them from an altitude of 20,000 ft. They’re cheering Ahmadinejad’s dubious triumph because they want war; McAdams is rationalizing that same phony victory because he knows the U.S. is behind the whole thing. Stranger bedfellows have yet to cuddle. In both cases, however, there is a certain similarity insofar as facts are not allowed to get in the way of ideology.
Libertarians, of all people, should care about the freedom of peoples overseas, and, of all people, they should know that U.S. intervention will not aid but only hold back the legitimate aspirations of the oppressed.
Siding with dictators is not the way to ensure that the U.S. abandons its imperial pretensions and returns to the foreign policy of the Founders. The massive election fraud and de facto coup carried out by Ahmadinejad & Co. is very bad news indeed for advocates of non-interventionism. Iran under Ahmadinejad is simple to demonize, and the case for war will be far easier to make with that nut-job in power – which is precisely why the War Party is cheering him on. It’s too bad McAdams has joined their chorus, albeit singing counterpoint.
Yes, I’m cheering on the Green Revolutionaries, because the foreign policy positions taken by Mousavi will be conducive to negotiations with the U.S. over the issue of nuclear weapons. I agree with the Leveretts that no matter who wins, we need to start those talks now, with no preconditions, and in the context of Iran’s right – under the Non-Proliferation Treaty – to develop the peaceful uses of nuclear power. I agree with McAdams that the U.S. government should stay out of Iran’s internal affairs. But that doesn’t mean I don’t care about the Iranian people – who are even now being slaughtered and beaten in the streets of their own cities. The regime they suffer under is kept in power by the threat of U.S. imperialism, which has encircled the country and is even now preparing to strike – and it’s precisely because I understand this, and oppose it with all my being, that my heart goes out to the Green Revolutionaries.
No, I don’t want our president to declare his support, and I applaud Ron Paul for his lone vote in Congress against a grandstanding resolution endorsing the Mousavi movement. Our government should steer clear of this entirely. But that doesn’t mean that I, as an individual, can’t hope that the good guys win – for once.
NOTES IN THE MARGIN
Yes, I have more to say on the Iranian events, here. And check out the rest of Ron Paul’s Campaign for Liberty Web site while you’re at it.
I have to confess to having joined Facebook, and plenty of my readers have discovered this: it’s gotten to the point that I probably get ten-to-twenty "friend" requests every day. So please note that if I haven’t yet responded in the affirmative to your request, it’s not that I don’t want to be your friend – I do, really I do! – it’s just that time is limited, as is my patience with the somewhat plonky and unwieldy Facebook site. I’ll get to it eventually.
On the same subject: Facebook also has a feature that allows people to form groups – fans of this or that cause – and I get an equal number of such requests. I’ve established a firm policy, which is that I never join any of these groups, as appealing as some of them are. I simply don’t have the time or the energy to vet each and every group – and I don’t, as a general rule, join any groups, online or off. So please don’t be insulted if I don’t respond to your request to join – it’s just that I’m not a joiner.
*It has been pointed out that there is a discrepancy between Escobar’s figures and the ones in the link. If you follow the link, Mousavi has a majority or plurality in two districts and Ahmadinejad has below 60 percent in a total of eight, but Ahmadinejad’s numbers are incredibly high everywhere else.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- War? What War? – August 20th, 2009
- Out Now! – August 18th, 2009
- Afghan Election 2009: Freedom, Fraud, and Fornication – August 16th, 2009
- Why Are We In Afghanistan? – August 13th, 2009
- How I Wrote 1,000 Columns for Antiwar.com – August 11th, 2009





soffie
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:23 am
People outside Iran need to connect some dots.
1. Rafsanjani bankrolled Moussavi's campaign.
2. Rafsanjani, well before Ahmadinejad publically accused him of corruption was widely known as having used his 8 years of presidency to amass a vast personal fortune, through corrupt financial dealings. Especially oil contracts. His family have a monopoly on the pistachio exports. He is one of 5 richest individuals in the Islamic Republic and his family the 3rd richest.
3. Ahmadinejad is a socialist and into redistributting wealth.
4. The Rafsanjani/Moussavi camp constituancy are the richest sector of Iranian society.
5. A second Ahmadinejad term would be disasterous for the Islamic Republic's most corrupt mullah and his cohorts.
6. Moussavi's cause is held in suspicion by many sectors of the Iranian urban and rural population due to Rafsanjani's backing.
Herodotarch
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:46 am
Justin,
Good article however just a few points I wanted to bring up. While it is ideal that libertarians should support "freedom" for everyone, we must remember that not everyone wants "freedom". What does "freedom" entail to begin with? All governments tyrannize to some degree. It is just a matter of how much tyranny you are willing to put up with.
The "Greenies" are I think not a majority in Iran (2-3,000 core protesters out of a country of 70 million), nor are they really calling for significant changes to Iran's Islamic government. There is some frustration at A-Jad's idiocy and perhaps isolation and some economic strife that has roiled these protesters (mostly students ergo young and naive) enough to take action.
So the cheerleaders here in America (now yourself included) looking in from the outside on a situation in a country that we really do not understand, are coming off as supporting this minority. I recently finished reading Khomeini's lectures on Islamic Government (quite instructive) and I have come to the conclusion that Khomeini (the Khomeini at least that gave these lectures) would side with the protesters. The current government may have strayed too far from the Imam's vision of Koranic government to the point that a correction was in order.
Still that correction (and now coming full circle with my original point) may look nothing like a Western style government (which Khomeini also rejected) and so may not necessarily be "free" by American standards. But so what, let the people of Iran decide, if the majority wants to keep this current (albeit a distant echo of Khomeini's vision) style of government then so be it.
As it pertains to Iran's quest for nuclear weapons, I would contest that the possession of nuclear weapons is not necessarily a bad thing for world peace. I will refer you to the writings of Kenneth Waltz (the doyen of neo-realists) who has argued that nuclear weapons (if possessed by all states) may lead to a decline in warlike behavior. For now I am willing to wait and watch and see who emerges from this issue. But I would not hold my breath waiting for a liberal democracy.
Thanks
varga
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:46 am
I am perplexed by your article "Iran’s Green Revolution: Made in America?". You seem to want to ignore the destabilization program YOUR GOVERNMENT had initiated and still continues against the sovereign country of Iran, because you are not in favor with the author's reference.
Just imagine if Iran were to fund such a abomination against America. I have no doubt YOUR GOVERNMENT would obliterate Iran, quoting your Secretary of State.
You dismiss the notion of an organized American led color revolution from being conducted and executed. Oh the destabilization funds at close to half a billion dollars is only slated for rebel groups to create terrorists attacks against a sovereign country, better Iranian terrorists than expose the fingerprints of American complicity.
Next thing we'll here is your support for bombing Iran in order to save it for the Green Color Revolution to succeed.
Do you really believe that the average Iranian besides the easily manipulated color coated student body want to become American enclave. Wow. you don't have to travel that far to witness the good it has accomplished in In Iraq and Afghanistan.
The strategy of continual threats and other forms of belligerence from American and Israeli governments about bombing their sovereign country for a weapons program that doesn't exist is not lost to every Iranian.
By the sounds of it you're just another gun barrel diplomat (Private Citizen). Good luck with the new career change as a PROPAGANDA PRINCE.
edgarh
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:45 am
A couple of caveats.
One, the statistical analysis is abuse. Simply put, there are not enough numbers and the sample of provinces may not be random. Mathematics may be an exact science but Numerology is pure hokum.
Two, apples and oranges. My understanding is that the province of Tehran voted differently than the city of Tehran. Note, New York state often votes the opposite of New York city.
Three, the problem of more votes than eligible voters is a devil in the details case. We do not know the minutia of Iranian election law. In the US there are frequently more voters registered than people due to laws about keeping people on the list. Same day voter registration renders just about all statistical analysis on those numbers absurd here. Further, because Iran does not have an electoral college system by province, voters can vote wherever they are. They do not have our elaborate absentee voter system. They do not need it. My understanding that they always have some jurisdictions with over votes. Think of it this way, if the US had a vote where you are system and an election was in July, Fire Island would return, legitimately, ten times the number of votes as it has residents.
Was the Iranian election honest? I do not know. My two dollar bet, however, would say it was fairer than a recent election in the state of Washington for governor, the results more ascertainable than an election for US Senator in Minnesota, and definitely more credible than any election in Chicago since forever.
Geo1671
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:27 am
Justin Raimondo, June 22, 2009 –shamefull reporting,he shold have posted the last two paragraphs first and saved us the bother in reading trash :^(
oldish_crank
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Well stated Mr. R. For the Iranian people, dueling Ayatollahs will be a bad thing. How does Rafsanjani, Muslim cleric and Ayatollah, get to be a billionaire?
Bullwhiper
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:04 pm
IS THE US FUNDING A COUNTER INSURGENCY IN IRAN? YES. to the tune of $400 mn dollars. Refer to the story by Seymour M. Hersh, Preparing the Battlefield, The Bush Administration steps up its secret moves against Iran, New Yorker, 29/6/08. Bush signed a top secret Presidential Finding in the Fall of 2008. This information was shared with the gang of 8 on capitol hill. Did you notice how quiet they have been about this information. Quiet as a mouse. They can't divulge secrets. I keep wondering why no one in the mass media is not following up on this information.
dave742
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Raimondo quotes Escobar saying this:
"Everywhere, all over the country, Ahmadinejad got between a steady 66% and 69%, no matter the region, no matter the predominant ethnic group, no matter the demographics."
In the next sentence, he says this:
"How they arrived at the official numbers over at Iran’s Interior Ministry is anybody’s guess…"
The words "official numbers" has a link to here:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/iranian-el...
When I look at the "official numbers," I see a range for Ahmadinejad of between 46% and 78%, not 66% and 69%. Can someone explain this for me?
nhcatsteve
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:18 pm
I too am pretty shocked Justin that you would validate the Washington Post's Numerology and voodoo psychology as "proof" that the Iranian election was fraudulent. There is not one shred of real proof that there was any election fraud. Indeed, the results mirrored previous elections and polls conducted by western organizations.
While progressives should not celebrate Ahmadinejad's election victory, nor should any of us be shocked when conservatives win elections. Especially when US soldiers are at their borders and millions are being spent by the US to violently destabilize Iran, there will be a tendency to "rally around the flag." Stick to the facts, hold the propaganda and wishful thinking Justin.
JohnDowser
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:40 pm
The Devil is indeed in the Details. EdgarH is right, the Washington Post analysis is certainly not based on real expertise, yet still published with the air of having it.
One example: "They are random noise in the sense that a fair vote count is as likely to end in 1 as it is to end in 2, 3, 4, or any other numeral."
This is NOT THE CASE at all in many sets of real data and actually fraud is often detected ONLY WHEN the numbers are distributed equal. This has to do with Benford's law
Check out http://www.jgc.org/blog/2009/06/benfords-law-and-... for graphs.
Another big problem with the WP article: "Against expectations from pollsters and pundits alike, Ahmadinejad did surprisingly well in urban areas". Ignoring thereby a crucial poll highlighted by their OWN NEWSPAPER last week: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti... which exactly predicted the outcome.
As for Justin's article: it's really remarkable he doesn't want to highlight the extent of foreign involvement here in terms of fueling the 'fire in the minds' and combining it with carefully targeted riots and incidents to invoke violent reactions. It seems rather obvious that much of this was planned although most protesters do seem sincere. Doesn't mean they are not being manipulated with false data and info at times. It doesn't mean they have a grasp of what's going on in their own country.
conumishu
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:18 pm
A rather good article even if I disagree with some of the positions or assesments, but this is natural, we (hopefully!) don't think all alike.
There's one little thing though. The interpretation of the last digit frequency and what it supposedly reveals is borderline dementia. There are insolvable difficulties with generating (pseudo-)random numbers and there's no (and never will be) entirely satisfying algorithm (let aside the philosophical contradiction). Statisticians are too inclined to believe they can interpret probabilities as certainties not unlike the evolutionists tend to transform rather stretched theories into dogma. No one can extract a "proof" to substantiate anything from the frequency of some digit and sliding into circus "psychology" from that premise is not only far fetched but silly.
dave742
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Let's take a look at this "digit" BS.Go to this site:
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html
There you can get state by state election results for all US elecions (Go to Popular Vote State-Level Data (Table)). In races where there are 2 candidates, there are 100 numbers for the sample. In Iran's case, they had a sample size of 116. Close enough.
So let's look at the 1944 election between Dewey and Roosevelt. If you look at the last digit in all the state totals, there is only ONE "2"! If only five "5's" consitutes fraud, I think only ONE "2" certainly does. As for adjacent digits, 70% non-adjacent digits is what you would expect statistically. The authors say that 62% in the Iran case indicates fraud. In the 1944 US election, only 56% of the last two digits were non-adjacent! The 1944 US election was fraudulent. START RIOTING NOW!
In the 1956 election between Eisenhower and Stevenson, there were 18 "8's" and only ONE "6". MORE FRAUD! START RIOTING!
It is sad that Raimondo falls for this BS.
panslav
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Bummer! I've just been listening to the lil'shah on cspan radio from the nash'nul pressclub(that holy-of-holies) endorsing the revolution of the spoiled brats…'nuff said!
RickR30
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Looks like Mr. Raimondo is getting caught up in Green fever- a position I'm sure he'll reject at a future time. Are the election numbers fraudulent? Most likely. Did Ahmadinejad win anyway? Most likely. So the Iranian people get the man they elected.
All this noise from the wealthy, young, Westernized, connected and infiltrated bunch should not be taken as representative of the will of the people. And, by the way, where was the world's outrage when Israel was slaughtering Palestinians not long ago? That was a non-issue. But if a couple of students march on the street and a couple of shots are fired, the world media is going bonkers.
Either you get Ahmadinejad and his theocratic nonsense or you get some corrupt Westernized thief. Which one is better, really? Either the country will be run by oligarchic elites who care only about their pockets or it will be run by religious and backward fanatics. That the entire world's media (and bizarelly, Raimondo) are cheerleading the Green neo-con revolution is clear indication that that option is no good. And if Ahmadinejad stays, the neo-cons will continue to have their opponent to demonize.
dave742
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:26 pm
"If you follow the link, Mousavi has a majority or plurality in two districts and Ahmadinejad has below 60 percent in a total of eight, but Ahmadinejad’s numbers are incredibly high everywhere else." -Raimondo
Yes. The reason for that is because Ahmadinejad won by a large margin. When you win by a large margin, your vote totals are much higher than your opponents. (BTW – I love this site (and donate to it) and I love Raimondo's columns. Just not this one).
conumishu
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:33 pm
"Oligarchic elites" is true for the islamists rule also. There's no demos-people rule anywhere. Corruption goes for both variants either. "Religious", yes, but in a political oriented way, not sure about how faithful they really are. "Fanatics", so and so, depends. Iran does maintain a balance between what some of the leaders declare and what the state actually does.
"Backward"? Hmm, this might be the real issue. Is the current regime refusing technology? Doesn't seem so. Are the Iranian schools churning out fanatical islamists? Who are those students then and where do their wealthy parents came from? Islamic revolution stemmed regime is 30 years old, a whole generation. Was the shah's regime less backward? I seriouly doubt it. In fact, I don't believe any leader of an aspiring to be significant country can't see they won't be able to achieve much with enslaved, ignorant people. Not even nuclear bombs can delay for ever the disadvantages of a really backward society. Iranian leaders know it, not sure if they know how to deal with the inherent problems of allowing more freedom. It seems they're doing a poor job.
backblow
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:51 pm
"Ahmadinejad is a socialist and into redistributting wealth."
Although most of the wealth he redistributed ended up going to senior members of the IRG!
backblow
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:01 pm
The spokesman for the Guardian Council did explain why the concept that there could be more votes cast in a particular province than there were voters was not a big issue:
"Kadkhodaei further explained that the voter turnout of above 100% in some cities is a normal phenomenon because there is no legal limitation for people to vote for the presidential elections in another city or province to which people often travel or commute."
There were pictures taken after the vote of voters with purple fingers, so:
1. voter scrubbing as practiced by the GOP in Florida and Ohio does not work so well;
2. it harder to do the old "vote early, vote often" scam;
3. people can pretty much vote wherever they want and no opportunities for postal vote fraud.
paenus
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:59 pm
the hardliners are having a tough time defending the shootings of the protesters. it looks too much like gaza. they are retreating to conspiracy theories and "dont' foget how bad the zionists are"
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June 22nd, 2009 at 2:10 pm
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Johan_
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:16 pm
In lieu of my comment. Former Indian ambassador M. K. Bhadrakumar's penetrating analyses of the present situation in Iran in his latest Asia Times articles http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KF23Ak02... and http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KF20Ak03... : a must read.
x174
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:10 am
justin–i would like to know what you think of this article by Seymour Hersh on the US bankrolling a destabilization campaign in Iran to the tune of $400 million under the Bush Felons:
The Coming War
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/01/24/05012...
x174
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:10 am
justin–i would like to know what you think of this article by Seymour Hersh on the US bankrolling a destabilization campaign in Iran to the tune of $400 million under the Bush Felons:
The Coming War
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/01/24/05012...
x174
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:10 am
justin–i would like to know what you think of this article by Seymour Hersh on the US bankrolling a destabilization campaign in Iran to the tune of $400 million under the Bush Felons:
The Coming War
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/01/24/05012...
joeureneck
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:00 am
The underlying theme of this article seems to be that the Iranian government is bad and therefor you should expect any election there to be a fraud. The predisposed attitude against Iran
is clear when dismissing Khamenei's speech as weird and rambling. I listened to his speech and thought it anything but that. It seems the Mr. Raimundo's does not accept the religious belief of other peoples and his disdain for Islam is driving his criticism of the government and the election results.
Colin Patrick Barth
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:37 pm
"there is a difference between "caring" about the freedom (or lack of it) in a country seven thousand miles away and organizing a U.S.-government-backed attempt to overthrow a sovereign government."
Thank you for saying this, Justin. Statistics aside, I feel your article made some points that have sorely needed to be said. There is a real danger that American libertarians, having trained themselves to say "hold on!" to imperialist emotional exuberance and to be habitually suspicious of the plots of would-be world rulers, become desensitized and closed-minded, evidencing the "gramophone mind" Orwell warned about, in favor of conspiracy theory and xenophobia, unwittingly reflecting the very same collective nationalist identities that jingoism also attempts to mobilize to parrot "it's none of OUR business." That's true isolationism, covering eyes and ears. "We" should remember that we are human beings first, not "our" borders or national policy—people with far more common cause with anyone in Iran who wants to live more freely and safely than with our tyrannical government in DC or theirs in Tehran. Occasions like this point out how important it is to maintain a sense of individualism, and see through collective myths.
notu
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:15 pm
clinging to obscure statistical minutia borders on specious rather than
any compeling evidence of massive electoral misconduct. Didn't the
pre-election Ballen/Doherty poll actually predict an outcome similiar
to the obtained results for mo_us.avi ? Weird how these "color"
revolutions always have that Made-in -USA flavor. What about those
"kids" currently demonstrating in Georgia, BTW, against that coat tie
chewing Sak (<a href=”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syKMsDS2OzE)” target=”_blank”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syKMsDS2OzE) they have to endure over there … What ? all that silence is deafening !
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Azoth777
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:25 pm
You had noted that last year congressional leaders approved $400 million to effect regime-change in Iran. Gareth Porter had reported on IPS that Three weeks after the 9/11 terror attacks, former U.S. Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld established an official military objective of not only removing the Saddam Hussein regime by force but overturning the regime in Iran, as well as in Syria and four other countries in the Middle East. Would the funding have not started at that time? Or is the $400 million just the tip of the iceberg?
x174
June 24th, 2009 at 12:55 am
i thought where i first got that 400 million figure was from an article by the christian science monitor. i'm not sure of how the destabilization funding was allocated. i'm just pointing out that the above article is missing some crucial information that may have made the argument more convincing,
here's a URLs to another article:
Joby Warrick, "US is said to Expand Covert Operations in Iran," Washington Post, June 30, 2008:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti...
Hinkus
June 24th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Talk about voodoo. Not one hard fact anywhere in this article to support "massive" vote fraud. And the "facts" in this article are contradicted by other "facts" in this article.
Geeze, Justin, I don't know why you're drinking the the Kool-Aid, but maybe someone needs to do an intervention.
San Fernando Curt
June 24th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
You dismiss too easily McAdams' conjecture about shadowy groups like the NED having a hand in the "greening" of the Iran opposition. Obviously, neocons would prefer Ahmadinejad, since his zaniness continues the "IranEvilAxis" meme that keeps the Persian state on their regime-change drawing board. But having Western inroads to the opposition could be very useful – especially corrupting insider policy and actions enough to allow reframing of Mousavi from "good guy" to current poor-man's Hitler of the Mideast. Already, some shaky websites are pinning a 1988 bombing on Mousavi – an attack that killed, among other Americans, the first female Navy casualty.
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