Even I – quintessentially cynical when it comes to politics and politicians – was shocked (shocked!) by the ease with which the Democratic talking heads and their blogger auxiliary took up the defense of Nancy Pelosi. Her obvious culpability in the unfolding story of how torture was legitimized in the eyes of seemingly reasonable people is such a challenge to supposedly anti-torture Democrats that one’s response to it represents a veritable litmus test of one’s honesty, integrity, and ideological consistency. It’s sad, but true, that not many alleged progressives with a public platform are earning a passing grade.
As might be expected, the worst is MSNBC ranter Keith Olbermann, who used to be a reasonable person – long ago and far away – but has, since the election, turned into the worst sort of party-lining hack and all-around hatchet-man, a kind of Bizarro World version of Sean Hannity. He led on Friday with the news of Pelosi’s growing vulnerability on this issue, repeating all of her talking points, which were no more convincing coming out of his mouth than they were coming out of hers. Indeed, Pelosi, after accusing the CIA of "misleading" Congress, i.e., lying to her, backtracked, but not Olbermann. He tried to get frequent guest Jonathan Turley, a noted legal expert, to agree with his pro-Pelosi spin, but Turley wasn’t biting: he pointed out that even if what Pelosi is now saying is true – that she didn’t know anybody had been waterboarded, that this was going to be a future scenario – there is no record that she had any objections. She avers it was her job just to be notified, but, as Turley says, the point of notification is to act.
The speaker of the House is in an increasingly tenuous position. Nothing less than her credibility is at stake. To have Leon Panetta directly contradict her, by issuing a statement declaring that the CIA briefed her "truthfully" and appending to that a general statement addressed to CIA agents who might have been demoralized, even angered, by Pelosi’s charges, is a real slap in the face.
One amusing side aspect of all this is gauging the reaction from Democratic Party loyalists. Speaking of which, we hear not a peep from the bloggers over at the Huffington Post. Arianna herself is too busy calling for the legalization of drugs to bother with such mundane matters as whether prominent figures in both parties went along with the Bush administration’s torture agenda, and her Hollywood-celebrity fellow airheads are similarly preoccupied with such pressing matters as the evil of Dick Cheney. Yet no drug ever invented is going to anesthetize them and their partisan comrades against the pain they’ll experience if they continue to press on the torture issue, as it becomes increasingly clear that no one in D.C. is going to emerge from this with clean hands.
That isn’t stopping them from pushing back, however. And what a truly pathetic sight it is! HuffPuffer Sam Stein’s "coverage" of the Pelosi brouhaha is titled "Bush Critics Frustrated as Torture Debate Shifts to Pelosi." Therein, a gaggle of anonymous Democratic strategists the author met at Hollywood cocktail parties bemoans the fact that the speaker is receiving any scrutiny at all. This is "changing the subject."
But what is the subject, anyway? Isn’t it finding out how the freest country on earth began taking lessons from the KGB, the North Koreans, and the Gestapo on how to extract information from recalcitrant prisoners? If so, then the complicity of our most powerful politicians – and the failure of the "oversight process," as they call it – is an integral part of the story.
Furthermore, this inquiry into what Pelosi knew is doubly legitimate since she has made a point of accusing the Bush administration of war crimes – in an appearance at the beginning of this year on the Rachel Maddow Show, for one – and is calling for a "truth commission." This raises the question: is she a hypocrite, as well as a liar and a torture-enabler? Many a high-and-mighty political figure has fallen for far less, and it simply terrifies the Democratic wing of the blogosphere that her time may have come.
E.J. Dionne, the liberal columnist for the Washington Post, echoes the exculpatory mantra by citing the example of Sen. Bob Graham, whose note-taking is legendary for its punctiliousness. Graham claims to have met only once with the CIA on this matter, not four as the CIA records have it. Yet surely CIA Director Panetta, in rebutting Pelosi’s off-the-wall accusation, must have checked those records and come up with some basis for claiming that there was indeed a meeting during which his agency briefed her "truthfully."
Laura Rozen throws off the pretense of objectivity and spins a complex web of supposition that allows her to fob it all off as much ado about nothing. Money quote:
"Because the CIA record says something does not make it true. Panetta is saying it’s true that our records say something, not that what the records say are true or accurate (and how would he know – he just got there, he can look at the records but not know if they are accurate)."
In short, the CIA is lying – and Panetta is a hapless fool who’s just defending his agency to get in good with the veterans. Yet this doesn’t quite wash. After all, Panetta could have said nothing, or he might have said something a little vaguer. However, what he did say was quite explicit:
"There is a long tradition in Washington of making political hay out of our business. It predates my service with this great institution, and it will be around long after I’m gone. But the political debates about interrogation reached a new decibel level yesterday when the CIA was accused of misleading Congress.
"Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress. That is against our laws and our values. As the agency indicated previously in response to congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing ‘the enhanced techniques that had been employed.’ Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened.
"My advice – indeed, my direction – to you is straightforward: ignore the noise and stay focused on your mission. We have too much work to do to be distracted from our job of protecting this country.
"We are an agency of high integrity, professionalism, and dedication. Our task is to tell it like it is – even if that’s not what people always want to hear. Keep it up. Our national security depends on it."
How to reconcile that unequivocal statement with what Pelosi claims – "We were not, I repeat, were not told that waterboarding or any of these other enhanced interrogation methods were used" – is a task some partisan Democratic bloggers have taken up with alacrity, notably Marcy Wheeler, AKA "emptywheel," who writes:
"There’s a better way to understand this. First, look at Panetta’s statement about the briefings themselves.
"’As the Agency indicated previously in response to congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing ‘the enhanced techniques that had been employed.’ Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened.’
"Panetta is stating two things:
"The contemporaneous records (that is, the CIA briefer’s own notes on the briefing) show that the briefers ‘briefed truthfully … describing "the enhanced techniques that had been employed"’ on Zubaydah.
"It is up to Congress to evaluate this evidence and ‘reach its own conclusions about what happened.’
"Now, first of all, Panetta is not saying (nor has anyone said, not even Porter Goss) that the briefers briefed Congress that these techniques had been used. I know this sounds weasely, but until someone says, in plain language, that the CIA told Congress those techniques had already been used on Abu Zubaydah, we should assume that’s not what the notes reflect, because if they did, you can be sure both the briefing list and the public statements would say so. But no one is saying that. And against that background, Panetta is reiterating the statement that Congress should determine what happened – a reiteration of the admission that CIA’s own briefing records are not the totality of the story."
If the definitive history of ideological blindness and partisanship is ever written, then surely Wheeler will figure prominently: her prose epitomizes what happens to the English language and logic itself when they are forced into the procrustean bed of a predetermined conclusion.
Panetta writes that Pelosi and others were briefed on "the enhanced techniques that had been used" – citing the CIA’s own records – yet, according to Wheeler, Panetta did not say this, only that it is up to Congress to draw its own conclusions. This, she claims, is "a reiteration of the admission that the CIA’s own briefing records are not the totality of the story." What admission? The only admission around these parts is Pelosi’s – that she failed to tell the truth in the first place, when she said she’d never been briefed at all.
There’s a better way to understand this, says Wheeler, but first, put on these
ideological blinders…
For a long time, Speaker Pelosi has coasted along on the strength of her position in the Democratic Party machine. She has never faced a serious challenge to her congressional seat in San Francisco, where Democratic Party machine politics rules. Yet now that the focus is on her, and her ability to react, speak, and make a coherent argument, it is clear that she can do none of these things competently. She’s become an embarrassment to her party, to Congress, and – most importantly – to the Obama administration, which, you’ll notice, is refusing to defend her. Maybe they know something that Laura Rozen and Marcy Wheeler don’t – ya think?
What I know is this: it is truly a disgusting sight to see the blue-state propagandists churning out complex (and incoherent) "explanations" that give Pelosi a "get out of jail free" card. If she were a Republican, these same people would be calling for her head.
As for Pelosi herself, she has always been second-rate, and now she’s in way over her head. The sooner she admits she lied and takes her lumps, the better off she’ll be. It’s sheer arrogance that has her denying the obvious and making a bigger fool out of herself every time she opens her mouth – and, as with so many others, that sort of hubris will be her downfall.
Read more by Justin Raimondo
- The Orange Revolution, Peeled – February 7th, 2010
- Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell — Don’t Go – February 4th, 2010
- Who Was That Well-Dressed Man? – February 2nd, 2010
- Will the Dragon Awake? – January 31st, 2010
- The State of the Empire – January 28th, 2010





knowbuddhau
May 18th, 2009 at 6:21 am
When wrong-headed use right Way, Way still works, now for wrong reasons. –Lao-tzu, The Way of the Dao.
Jacking the nation with myths is the state of the art in manufacturing consent.
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The Tortuous Logic of Nancy Pelosi — will to truth
May 18th, 2009 at 6:55 am
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nat8899
May 18th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
I salute your clear logic on the moral situation involved here. Pelosi must take the blame for not having been bold enough to do her job as a leading Congresswoman when she might have made a difference. However, let's not forget that she was not the most culpable person in these whole sordid affairs. At the worst, she was like a policeman who stood by doing nothing when the mob was committing a murder. That would be culpable, given his duty, but understandable, too, given the practical situation in which he found himself; but in any event, the murderers would clearly be the most culpable of all and surely must be apprehended, prosecuted and jailed, for a long time. Doesn’t the same logic apply here? Pelosi is culpable and maybe should even resign but why are we doing nothing to impeach, disbar those lawyers and the justice, and prosecute the whole gang of thugs who ordered war crimes to create false intelligence for their political agenda?
Steve_Hogan
May 18th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
When we're stuck with an empty suit as president, a used car salesman for VP, and a painfully stupid Speaker of the House, it should be obvious to one and all that our political system is hopelessly broken.
Can we do in the political world what's done on the golf course when the tee shot goes off into the weeds and call for a mulligan? Just start over.
greendaworld
May 18th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Progressives know Pelosi for who she, and the rest of the Liberal Democrats in Congress are, co-conspirators in crimes against the constitution and humanity. That Keith and Rachel defend her, only further exposes them as Democratic Party hacks, shameless shills who are now too embarrassing to watch.
Huffpo is a strange beast. In between the neo-con propaganda, you can find articles like John Cusack's beautifully written attack on Obama not releasing the torture photos, "A Hollow and Horrible Equivocation".
In any case, everyone including the usually astute Justin Raimondo, is missing the point regarding the Pelosi affair. I suggest you have Scott interview Ray McGovern of VIPS on how patriots in the intelligence community have been secretly defending our country for the last several years. Think Jane Harmon leak and Iran NIE as only two examples.
Edithann
May 18th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
It's AIPAC's payback time for not giving Harman the Chairmanship of the Intelligence Committee..Pelosi had already been briefed about Harmans secret phone calls a year before ..
It's not rocket science that someone is out to 'get her' with the hopes of putting S.Hoyer in her place…(perish the thought)!!..
I always thought Pelosi was too close to AIPAC anyway..but apparently she wasn't close enough!!!…
AIPAC is running scared..
TATA
Alan MacDonald
May 18th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Justin, excellent article, as always. However, this issue is bigger than Pelosi 'at war' with the CIA, bigger than torture, and impacts on the inclusive issue of Empire vs. democracy.
James Carville on "This Week" very clearly signaled the real story beneath these last "Seven Days in May" when he said, "I don't think that Democrats really want to be at war with the CIA. We had that, you know, before and that's not particularly productive. "
Naturally, Carville did not have to specify that that Democratic President was JFK, nor that the war with the C.I.A. was the president's refusal to be rolled by the Empire of the national security state to engage in the Bay of Pigs invasion, nor the outcome of that war between that elected U.S. president and the ruling-elite 'corporate financial Empire' which then (and now) controls what has variously been called several things; by Eisenhower the military industrial complex, by Chalmers Johnson the national security state Empire, and by many (including myself) the ruling-elite corporate financial Empire hiding behind the facade of its two-party, sophisticated 'Vichy' sham of democracy.
Never has the outcome of this last election and the battle it has unleashed been so clear in a public forum on TV.
Unfortunately Obama campaigned for the highest office in our supposed democratic Republic without telling the American people, who might vote for him, that he would have to confront the corporate financial Empire that actually runs what they think of as 'their country', and now that he IS the president of a supposedly democratic Republic ruled by the sovereignty of the people and by laws (and particularly the Constitution of that democratic Republic) he is encountering the existential conflict incumbent in just that dilemma between political facade and operational reality.
Obama won the popular vote for the political office of president of the United States of America which he campaigned for, but he did not acquire the popular mandate to confront the indivisible political-economic and military control that Empire exhibits over this fading nation-state nor the global system of control that currently rules the world from its tripartite headquarters in the US, UK and Israel.
Obama could have explicitly campaigned on the seminal promise to confront this Empire (as Ralph Nader did, and as our forefathers did against the global British Empire of combined political-economic and military power).
But Obama chose to run only for the limited political office of president, and worse — accepted the aid of the global Empire in winning that political front office.
Now, if Obama wishes to confront and correct the "sorrows of Empire" which are the single and seminal cause of all our 'single issue' symptoms, diversions, and problems (as Hannah Arendt warned so presciently of the Nazi Empire "abroad" AND "at home") then Obama is going to have a much more comprehensive fight on his hands — and unfortunately he will not have the open support of the American (nor global) citizens to aid him, since he never trusted, informed, nor shared with them the truth that he was really going to be inevitably facing.
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
May 18. 2009 « Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes?
May 18th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
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Edithann
May 18th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Here is the key. Pelosi was probably lied to by the CIA. In fact, Bob Graham, the past head of the Senate Intelligence Committee has said that he was misinformed by the CIA at the time. He says that the CIA recorded various dates of briefings to him which did not occur and which the CIA itself has acknowledged were mistaken. The question then arises: Who gains from this story?
LTJX
May 19th, 2009 at 1:51 am
I'm all for exposing Pelosi as speaking with Forked Tongue. But what exactly is wrong with Arianna Huffington calling for the Legalization of Drugs? The Drug War is something that's been going on far longer than the "Terror War". And I think it's fair to say the War on Drugs has ruined the lives of more Americans than our more military wars. I all for a complete ban on torture of any kind. But let's face it, sitting in a steel cage for year after year as the result of personal choices and actions that should have never been against the law in the first place – and were in fact NOT against the law in America from 1776 to about 1905 – is in itself a form of very extended torture. And the torture continues after prison, and for a full lifetime: in lost rights, and especially in being essentially blacklisted from nearly all professional jobs, and from all Fortune 500 corporate jobs at any level. Drug legalization is actually somewhat more important than fixing blame over the torture scandal.
brotherdoc
May 19th, 2009 at 2:15 am
I guess the only way we are going to know what Nancy knew and when Nancy knew it is to waterboard her…
What a total distraction this is, since NO ONE on the GOP side of the aisle said anything about the torture briefings (well duh, they all thought it was great). This flap over Pelosi (and the bumbling defense she is putting up just makes the Republicans all the louder and more vicious) is a smokescreen to hide their own culpability in allowing unconstitutional and illegal actions by the Bush-Cheney minions. They were in the majority after all when all this happened. I agree with nat8899 that someone needs to prosecute the Bush people, whether in the Justice Department, CIA, the military, private contractors, whoever, who were putting this whole torture program together. And from the squeals he's making all over the media, I think the buck stops with Dick Cheney.
Leen
May 19th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Justin great article. Share what you write far and wide. Started following you in the run up to the illegal, immoral and unnecessary war in Iraq. Thanks for all you do.
I argued with Marcy a bit about what I saw to be some covering up for Pelosi. But what I completely agree with Marcy on is that the what Pelosi knew when argument is being used as a distraction. The bigger and far more serious issue is who re-wrote the torture laws, who ordered them to be used and who did the torturing . What and when Pelosi knew is important and she should absolutely be held accountable is not the most serious and consequential of these issues.
I also agree with Andrew Sullivan on this issue "where are the conservatives" on torture. Where are those who were there for the torture briefings. Why is the MSM ignoring their culpability?
This torture issue is not going away Justin no matter how much you may think it is a waste of time. Not going away.
Justin i know you wrote an article about Huffington Post being "Israeli occupied territory" Have you ever thought about doing an article on which blogs are and are not "Israeli occupied territory" I have some direct experiences with this. Crooks and Liars is absolutely "occupied" where we know that Washington Note is not.
Thanks for all you do. Read almost everything you write and pass it on
RickR30
May 19th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
This is just another chapter of the whole international disgrace brought on by Cheney and the neo-cons and the complicity of the Democrats. The global war OF terror is a bipartisan accomplishment and it's time the American people realize that. The same energy and enthusiasm that all but destroyed the Republicans now needs to be applied to the other partner of the Satanic marriage: the Democrats, starting with Pelosi and Dodd. Our Congress is an embarrasment . Just aside from the self-serving nature of our politicians, the rampant egomania, the lack of any principle other than greed, the subservience to lobbyists and AIPAC is the pathetic figure these people display. A Congress full of walking cadavers who've been there since the turn of the previous Century and that is led by that ridiculous, absurd Pelosi woman. What will it take for the respective constituencies to stop re-electing these clowns?
ScuzzaMan
May 20th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
"Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress. That is against our laws and our values. … "
Yeah, riiight … so is torture, dumbass.
Justin, granted it is plain that Pelosi is a time-serving hack with nothing in the way of moral or intellectual ability to recommend her. But this statement from Panetta could have equally been made by any of the previous administrations officials or any of their Republican and Democratic collaborators.
The facts, however, are that we do torture, we did torture, we have done for decades, and we will keep on torturing, and what the public thinks/believes are our "laws and values" will remain irrelevant to these facts.
annje
May 25th, 2009 at 4:05 am
They might be calling for her head if she was Republican but they wouldn't be getting it now, would they…lol. Every one of those crooked backs strolled off into the sunset untouched, even the one's that were prosecuted!! talk about get outta jail free card…LOL.
Pelosi is a useless eater if I ever saw one, she wouldn';t know how to act in favor of justice or righteousness if a set of instructions hit her square between the eyes. Party doesn't matter though, that is a total fallacy. Its the big purple party kids, not the red or the blue
I've had it, I trust none of them and don't think I ever will be able to again. Obama just drives that home…not even a honeymoon before that louse cheated on his supporters…just another political trollop…