The conventional wisdom is that U.S.-led NATO vanquished the ruthless and despotic Moammar Gadhafi. And that is largely what happened.
Gadhafi had one of the worst human rights records on the planet, was autocratic, and was even downright bizarre at times. Moreover, although the U.S. pretended to play only a limited, background role in NATO’s effort in Libya, its initial suppression of Libyan air defenses and its surveillance and communication technology played a key role in bringing down the Gadhafi regime. In fact, the Libyan conflict demonstrates that the U.S. is perfecting the technique of using ragtag local ground forces to fix enemy regime forces in place so that its air power can pummel them into sawdust. Previously, the United States had demonstrated this capability using the Kosovo Liberation Army to wrest Kosovo from Serbia in 1999 and using the Northern Alliance to take over Afghanistan after 9/11. The successful invasion of Iraq also was conducted using smaller quantities of forces on the ground — this time U.S. forces — in combination with the employment of massive U.S. air power. This model seems to promise winning brushfire wars without much cost in either blood or treasure.
Of course, the quagmires that Afghanistan and Iraq have become should indicate that, in many cases, this model is flawed. Taking over the country is one thing and ruling it is quite another. As with those two conflicts, if guerrilla war, tribal civil war, or general chaos results in Libya, the world will look to NATO to solve the problem. Colin Powell’s “Pottery Barn Rule” — “if you break it, you’ve bought it” — is a truism in foreign policy circles but is nevertheless regularly ignored.
In Libya, another way to put it is: What has NATO won? Progressive administration apologists, making a not-so-odd alliance with neoconservatives, have taken to the airwaves touting the many Libyan lives saved and the brutal dictator toppled. Of course, the former was just theoretical — Gadhafi had made bombastic threats before that were never carried out — and was a fig leaf for the not-so-hidden real purpose all along: taking advantage of an internal Libyan uprising against Gadhafi to get rid of the tyrant while the getting was good.
Gadhafi was demonized by President Ronald Reagan in the 1980s (even though Reagan started the long dustup by purposefully provoking Gadhafi in 1981 with U.S. naval power off the Libyan coast), much as Saddam Hussein was by Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton in the 1990s. Once such dictators have been upgraded into the “evil incarnate” caricature (the equally despotic Saudi regime has not transitioned into this category because it is the world’s most important oil producer), pressure builds among American officials, the media, and the pundits for regime change.
Also, those progressive and neoconservative pundits have crowed about how cheap the Libyan intervention was in casualties and money. So far, compared to the quagmires in Iraq and Afghanistan, I guess they have a point. But as the famous baseball player and coach Yogi Berra said, “It ain’t over till it’s over.” And these brushfire conflicts never seem to be over. Now that the U.S. and NATO have taken such a big stake in Libya’s outcome, money and even casualties could be required for any needed ground force to prevent chaos or civil war or just to keep the country stable. Even if no ground force is needed, money will be needed to help rebuild the country and ensure its future stability. With the U.S. in dire economic and fiscal straits — record federal budget deficits and more than $14 trillion in national debt — and two other costly wars still ongoing, America cannot even afford a cheap war. If you are broke, you shouldn’t just eat at TGI Friday’s instead of an expensive restaurant; you need to eat at home.
Worst of all, we don’t really know what will come next in Libya. In retrospect, Gadhafi may look much better if radical anti-U.S. Islamists eventually take over the country. The U.S. has seemed to be so worried about this outcome in Syria that, up until recently, it was reluctant to call for the ouster of the equally brutal dictator Bashar al-Assad in Syria. The same worry should have applied to Libya.
The problem with wars, even ones with laudable goals, is that the unintended consequences are usually severe. Recalling that U.S. support of Islamist rebels in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union morphed into the worst foreign threat to American soil since the War of 1812 should have given the United States some pause in getting involved in the Libyan conflict. It didn’t.
Yet the Libyan conflict could produce equally nasty outcomes. Gadhafi was reported to have stockpiled 20,000 man-portable anti-aircraft weapons, which could be used by terrorists to shoot down commercial airliners. Many of these weapons have gone missing in Libya, with their wooden cases empty. Andrew J. Shapiro, the U.S. assistant secretary of state for political-military affairs, has said that these unsecured missiles in Libya are “one of the things that keep me up at night.” The president of Chad and officials in Algeria, whose countries neighbor Libya, have said that some of those missiles have traveled over their borders to al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, which calls North Africa home.
Finally, during the years before his downfall, Gadhafi had settled his differences with the West, giving up his nuclear weapons program and paying victims of Libyan-sponsored terror attacks in the 1980s. Like the lesson that nuclear aspirants (for example, Iran) learned from the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 — countries on the outs with the U.S. without nuclear arms don’t get any respect from the American superpower — the toppling of a nuclear-disarmed Gadhafi gives them little incentive to give up such weapons programs and every incentive to accelerate them.
So perhaps the removal of Gadhafi in Libya is not as much of a triumph as it first appears.
Read more by Ivan Eland
- Should the Law Governing the War on Terror Be Changed? – May 21st, 2013
- Benghazi: Who Cares? – May 14th, 2013
- Political Decentralization Might Help in Conflict-Ridden Countries – May 7th, 2013
- Avoid Drumbeat to Escalate in Syria – April 30th, 2013
- Government Response to Terrorism Needs to Be Dialed Down – April 23rd, 2013





Justin Taylor
August 24th, 2011 at 1:46 am
I think you are over-complicating things, this is a good opportunity for the people of Libya and of course what happens next is up to them.
Of course for us the problem of an unstable dictator is at any time they can change their minds and go back to blowing up airplanes or supporting terrorist organisations.
You are quite right, the mistake is to try and mix-in with the new government, win the war and get out is by far the best way. Let the locals run their own affairs.
As for the anti-aircraft missiles, don't worry too much, if not already they will become unserviceable soon – these things do not last long even when well maintained. Accuracy is fairly poor anyway.
The problem with dealing with Syria is not the concern about the problems of the fall of the Syrian government but the fact that the armed forces of Syria are more effective than those of the Libyans or indeed those of Iraq.
And remember that the rise of the Taliban – who had no interest in expanding beyond Pakistan and Afghanistan – in Afghanistan came about not because of the war but because of the chaos that came about after the war. It is arguable that support of the Islamic State of Afghanistan, might just have headed off the rise of the Taliban but of course that is not what happened.
The argument to do nothing has been tried before and did not work in 1940 either. In the end the playground bully comes after you as well.
Emilyrose
August 24th, 2011 at 4:28 am
I seem to have a problem here.
I do not see what right the Americans or anyone else has to remove any dictator at whim.
Who gave the Americans, brits, French or anyone the right to move in on a country using tribal differences and a pack of mercenaries and to topple its dictator (and frankly looking at the US you have a dictator and one whose credibility and legitimacy is being seriously challenged) bomb it to smithereens and then steal its natural resources.
If any dictator needed removing you could have tried Mugabe.
As part of the Commonwealth it could just about have been excused.
But of course no oil so he can torture and murder with impunity.
I think it quite shocking that we are now in a climate where unauthorised – since when was this attack on Libya a non fly zone – mass murder and infrastructure destruction, where a relatively popular 'dictator' can just be overthrown by brute force unauthorised by international sanction.
That Mr Eland seems to have no problem with that – only the mess that may be the result – is frightening indeed.
Perhaps China and Russia should start attacking the US and removing your dictator. He is a damn sight more unpopular in his country and despised and loathed around the planet for what he represents than Gaddafi.
He has certainly mass murdered hundreds of thousands. He has lied and broken promises to his own people.
He violates decency by torture and now corruption and gun running. The list is endless.
I could almost eat my words and support that one as long as they remove the zionist dominated congress` and senate as well.
andy
August 24th, 2011 at 8:07 am
I think we should have minded our own business. We may miss Gaddafi…..
ML3
August 24th, 2011 at 9:49 am
I think Colin Powell's "Pottery Barn" rule comes into play here.
Obama disappointed millions by being just another neocon dick. We'll see what his foreign adventures do for the people of the US.
Maybe democracy in Libya means another Islamic Republic – someone must benefit from that.
Stu Piddy
August 24th, 2011 at 11:47 am
This is obvious.
You will have internal fighting in Libya for years as long as America and Israel have anything to say about it. It's all part of their….Operation Stupid….strategy to shoot themselves in the foot. Kind of like the bailout and taxing the poor instead of the rich.
This intervention is a disaster. The rebels want to impose Sharia anyway.
Stay out.
Stu Piddy
August 24th, 2011 at 11:50 am
America is clearly the greatest terrorist organization in the world.
Why do people have problems understanding that.
Fighting bakers and herdsman for 10 years in Talibania….It's shameful and self destructive….
But terrorism is what America is all about. They make the 911 hijackers look like children.
rodney
August 24th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
so why was gaddai dictator and had bad recornd on human rights? worse than usa and uk the msot vile nations of the world and plague ont he earth?
Life in Libya with Leader Gaddafi:
1. Electricity for household use is free,
2. interest-free loans
3. during the study, governmant give to every student 2 300 dolars/month
4. receives the average salary for this profession if you do not find a job after graduation,
5. the state has paid for to work in the profession,
6. every unemployed person receives social assistance 15,000 $/year,
7. for marriage state pays first apartment or house (150m2),
8. buying cars at factory prices,
9. LIBYA not owe anyone a cent,
10. free higher education abroad,
11. 25% of highly educated,
Establishment history has somehow forgotten that the United Kingdom previously invaded and occupied both Kuwait and Iraq on June 22, 1941, on the same day that Germany invaded the Soviet Union.
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12. 40 loaves of bread costs $ 0.15,
13. water in the middle of the desert, drinking water,
14. 8 dinars per liter of oil (0.08 EUR),
15. 6% poor people,
16. for each infant, the couple received $ 5,000 for their needs.
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Before NATO and the U.S. started bombing Libya, the United Nations was preparing to bestow an award on Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, and the Libyan Jamahiriya, for its achievements in the area of human rights. (document).
That's right–the same man, Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, that NATO and the United States have been telling us for months is a "brutal dictator," was set to be given an award for his human rights record in Libya. How strange it is that the United Nations was set to bestow a human rights award on a "brutal dictator," at the end of March.
John_Muhammad
August 24th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
I have to agree with you, Emily, at least in part. Zimbabwe has no resources we can't get from somewhere else, and no oil production to speak of, so it is the fate of those living there do labor under the rule of Mugabe and his ilk. If Zimbabwe were a major oil-producing nation, or was the only source of nickel or platinum or whatnot, you can bet it would be getting a LOT of attention from the West (read: the US). Since it is none of those things, it's not worth our bothering ourselves to do anything about such niceties as human rights or health issues or anything like that.
Zimbabwe is a good example, but when anyone dares to say anything about how the US is 'standing up to evil' and 'making the world safe for democracy and human rights' and all that, I merely point at the horrors visited upon those unfortunate souls in Rwanda back around 1994. Thousands died horrible deaths, hacked apart by machetes or raped to death, and the US just stood by and did what? NOTHING. Why? It's very simple- Rwanda has no resources we need and, after all, it's just a bunch of blacks killing each other- right? Even with no resources as an enticement, I can pretty much guarantee you things would have been handled much differently if it had been thousands of whites being massacred- I'm pretty sure we'd have sent in some troops to protect them or get them out of the country. But no, it's just a bunch of blacks- even worse- TRIBAL blacks- killing each other, so (washing our hands) it's not our problem.
So much for standing up for human rights, huh?
Now let's see what happens in Libya- and these 'Rebels' are going to implement shari'a to govern the nation? As much as I, a Muslim, would love nothing better than for them to do so in a moral, ethical, and responsible manner I have serious doubts about their ability to govern anything under ANY system.
John_Muhammad
August 24th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
As I have said in other commentaries I, as a Muslim, am delighted to see a nation adopting shari'a as its legal system. HOWEVER, given the track record and connections of these 'Rebels' I have grave doubts about their ability to implement and apply shari'a in the moral, ethical, and responsible manner in which it was intended to be used. I have grave doubts about their ability to govern under ANY system, much less one that incorporates religious beliefs as well as civil law. IF- and this is a HUGE 'if'- they can clean up their act and use shari'a for the force for good that it is supposed to be, all will be well; on the other hand (and I think this is more the likely outcome) if they use it to impose their own brand of dictatorial rule and use it to get payback on old feuds and use it to advance personal and political agendas not consistent with Islamic teachings, I fear the Libyan Experiment will be a dismal failure in this respect.
jeff_davis
August 25th, 2011 at 7:43 pm
And check out the Amnesty International report that the Eland links to in the second paragraph. Gaddafi was fighting the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, al Qaeda's branch in Libya. He dealt with them harshly. Much like the US has been dealing with them in Af-Pak and Guantanamo. Now the US/NATO is supporting al Qaeda in Libya. I mean you can't make this sh*t up!!!
From that report, the overview:
According to the Amnesty International 2008 Annual Report, the following is a list of human rights concerns in Libya:
Freedom of Press
Freedom of Expression
Ill-treatment and detention of refugees, asylum-seekers and migrants
Safety of at least seven Libyan Guantanamo Bay returnees
Death Penalty
Discrimination against women in law and practice
Impunity for past human rights violators
Now replace "Libya" with "the US". Can you tell the difference?
In short, Gaddafi was a modern revolutionary hero, supporting the independence from Western domination of the peoples of developing nations across the globe. The West cannot tolerate such activism in support of independence, and is removing him in favor of al Qaeda.
Mission Accomplished? WTF? Didn't we already see this in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Can't wait to see how this works out? Civil War amongst Libyans? Guerrilla war against "peacekeeping" occupiers?
Rob
August 30th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Countries on the outs with the U.S. without nuclear arms should get lots of respect from the American superpower for when the U.S superpower invades them it always gets its ass kicked by guerrillas. The US military cannot fight its way out of a guerrilla paper bag and has not won a guerrilla war in 109 years (the Philippine Insurrection of 1902). Airpower is worse than useless in a guerrilla war for it kills so many civilians it acts as a recruiting tool for the guerrillas. Guerrillas own warfare.