What a Strange Way to Protect Civilians: Depleted Uranium and Libya
"We are there to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas"
– William Hague
"I was watching ABC News last night and, lo and behold, there was a DU impact. It burned and burned and burned."
- Doug Rokke, ex-director of the Pentagon’s Depleted Uranium Project commenting on Libya attack.
"Depleted uranium tipped missiles fit the description of a dirty bomb in every way… I would say that it is the perfect weapon for killing lots of people."
– Marion Falk, chemical physicist (retd), Lawrence Livermore Lab, California, USA
To date depleted uranium’s deathly dust has traveled its horrible route from Iraq (The first Gulf War in 1990/91) to the Balkans (with the NATO attack on Serbia in 1999) to Afghanistan (2001-) and back to Iraq (2003-) Now we have the attack on Libya and I raise the question as to whether DU is being used once again in this latest "war"; whether this "nuclear waste with wings" continues its journey bringing with it short- and long-term death.
In the first 24 hours of the Libyan attack, US B-2s dropped forty-five 2,000-pound bombs. Did any of these massive bombs, along with the Cruise missiles launched from British and French planes and ships, contain depleted uranium? Doug Rokke joins others such as Conn Hallinan, of Foreign Policy in Focus, in believing that the answer is yes.
DU is the waste product from the process of enriching uranium ore. It is used in nuclear weapons and reactors. Because it is a very heavy substance, 1.7 times denser than lead, it is highly valued by the military for its ability to punch through armored vehicles and buildings. When a weapon made with a DU tip strikes a solid object like the side of a tank, it goes straight through it, then erupts in a burning cloud of vapor. The vapor settles as dust, which is not only poisonous, but also radioactive.
An impacting DU missile burns at 10,000 degrees C. When it strikes a target, 30% fragments into shrapnel. The remaining 70% vaporizes into three highly-toxic oxides, including uranium oxide. This black dust remains suspended in the air and, according to wind and weather, can travel over great distances. If you think Iraq and Libya are far away, remember that radiation from Chernobyl reached Wales.
Particles less than 5 microns in diameter are easily inhaled and may remain in the lungs or other organs for years. Internalized DU can cause kidney damage, cancers of the lung and bone, skin disorders, neurocognitive disorders, chromosome damage, immune deficiency syndromes and rare kidney and bowel diseases. Pregnant women exposed to DU may give birth to infants with genetic defects. Once the dust has vaporized, don’t expect the problem to go away soon. As an alpha particle emitter, DU has a half life of 4.5 billion years.
In the "shock and awe" attack on Iraq, more than 1,500 bombs and missiles were dropped on Baghdad. Seymour Hersh has claimed that the US Third Marine Aircraft Wing alone dropped more than "five hundred thousand tons of ordnance." Much of it DU-tipped.
Al Jazeera reported that invading US forces fired two hundred tons of radioactive material into buildings, homes, streets and gardens of Baghdad. A reporter from the Christian Science Monitor took a Geiger counter to parts of the city that had been subjected to heavy shelling by US troops. He found radiation levels 1,000 to 1,900 times higher than normal in residential areas. With its population of 26 million, the US dropped a one-ton bomb for every 52 Iraqi citizens or 40 pounds of explosives per person.
The tragedy is that we will only know years after the bombing has stopped the extent of short- and long-term damage to the population, as the people of Fallujah in Iraq are now discovering from the horrific consequences of the depleted uranium and white phosphorous weaponry the US used on the city in 2004.
In the first 24 hours of the attack on Libya by the US and its allies £100 million worth of ordnance was used. No doubt much of it destroyed armaments and military installations sold to Libya by the very same countries now doing the bombing. The European Union’s arms control report said member states issued licenses in 2009 for the sale of £293.2 million worth of weapons and weapons systems to Libya. Britain issued arms firms licenses for the sale of £21.7 million worth of weaponry to Libya and were also paid by Colonel Gadhafi to send the SAS to train his 32nd Brigade.
The UK Ministry of Defense and US Department of Defense are careful how they refer to DU and prefer not to answer questions about its use. But in those "official" documents we have been able to view it is clear that DU is commended for its excellent penetrating qualities and we must assume that what is considered of military value is going to be used especially when the political spokespeople for the military are keen to deny that DU has any harmful affects on human beings.
Thus the UK Defense Secretary, Liam Fox, in correspondence with Bill Wilson, a member of the Scottish Parliament in February 2011 said: "The UK does not support resolutions that presuppose DU is harmful… The Government’s policy remains that DU can be used within weapons; it is not prohibited under current or likely future international agreements. UK armed forces use DU munitions in accordance with international humanitarian law. It would be quite wrong to deny our serving personnel a legitimate capability."
Liam Fox is repeating the views of earlier UK Defense Secretaries. This is an excerpt from then Defense Secretary, Des Brown’s letter to Tony Benn, dated 21 April 2008: "In conclusion, our view remains that DU can be legitimately used within weapons and that it would be quite wrong for the UK Government to deny our troops a legitimate capability that provides the best possible protection for them during armed conflicts."
Note that the letters appear to have been written by the same person!
Since we are being told, when we’re told anything, that DU is not dangerous and is an effective tool for warfare why would they not continue its use? So long as that is the official opinion from the military and the politicians we must take it at face value and force them to confirm that we are mistaken and that DU is no longer used.
I would love to be proved wrong as would, even more so, the people who are under bombardment. But The International Coalition to Ban Uranium Weapons have stated that: "The likelihood of DU use in Libya has now increased following the deployment and use of A-10 and Harrier AV-8B aircraft. ICBUW calls for pressure to be brought on the US to clarify the situation, and to put DU ammunition beyond use."
This is unlikely to happen according to Doug Rokke, who recently told me: "The DoD/MoD jerks will always deny the use and always deny adverse health effects. That is the standing order. DU is so good against all types of target that they will never give it up."
Which weapons systems use DU?
The military and the politicians are very shy about the uses of depleted uranium, but here is a list of all platforms using DU, and the rounds themselves.
- A10 aircraft: Of all the US military platforms that fire DU, the A-10 is responsible for the greatest proportion of DU fired.
- AMX-30 Tank:French Main Battle Tank, active from the mid 1960s to the 2000s. From the mid 1990s it was equipped with a 105 mm uranium round. No longer in service in France but widely exported.
- Leclerc Tank: The current French Main Battle Tank. Fires the OFL 120 F2 uranium round. Also adopted by the United Arab Emirates.
- M1/M1A1/M1A2 Abrams Tank: The US Main Battle Tank, and platform for large caliber DU munitions.
- M101 20 mm Davy Crockett Spotting Round: A historical DU round, used by the US to estimate firing trajectory on the Davy Crockett nuclear rifle. No longer in use.
- M1128 Stryker Mobile Gun System: A new US weapons system utilizing old DU rounds and the M68 cannon.
- M2 & M3 Bradley Fighting Vehicle: US Armored personnel carrier, which fires M919 DU rounds with its 25mm cannon.
- M774 105mm APFSDS-T round: US 105 mm Armour Piercing, Fin Stabilized, Discarding Sabot round.
- M829 120mm APFSDS-T round: US Armour Piercing, Fin Stabilized, Discarding Sabot round. Fired from the M1A1 and M1A2 Abrams tanks, the M829 is the largest DU round in the US arsenal.
- M833 105mm APFSDS-T round: US 105mm Armour Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot round, used in the M60 Patton series of tanks, and the M1 Abrams.
- M900 105mm APFSDS-T round: US Armour Piercing, Fin Stabilized, Discarding Sabot Tracer round. Used in the original M1 Abrams tank, also in the M1128 Stryker Mobile Gun System.
- M919 APFSDS 25mm round: US 25mm Armour Piercing, Fin Stabilized, Discarding Sabot 25mm round used in the Bradley Fighting Vehicle.
- OFL 105 F2 APFSDS-T round: French 105 mm Round, used in the AMX-30 tank. No longer thought to be in service in France, but may have been exported.
- OFL 120 F2 APFSDS-T round: French DU round used by the Leclerc Main Battle Tank. First fielded in 1996, and still in active service.
- PGU-14 30mm API round: US 30mm Armour piercing incendiary round used in the A-10 Thunderbolt aircraft.
- PROCIPAC APFSDS-T round: Next generation French 120mm uranium round. Reported to be under development in the early 2000s, but not thought to be produced in large numbers.
Source: http://www.bandepleteduranium.org/en/i/85.html





ZVI
April 15th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Obama and US should get Nobel prize for GENOCIDE
gerryhiles
April 15th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
It only gets 'better'. Tripoli university got bombed yesterday, 'fortunately' only injuring about a dozen students in the canteen (clearly a global threat). Oh and cluster bombs have been used to 'protect civilians'.
Western leaders and legions of their their followers are insane.
Bantam
April 16th, 2011 at 12:57 am
Incredibly enough, the NYT joins Antiwar and David Wilson to harshly condemns in no uncertain terms the use of dirty weapons and tactics.
Jamie
April 16th, 2011 at 3:59 am
They said they bwere there to help the civilians just like the 2 other wars they are in.But they are not only killing civilians with the bombs used they will continue causing devistating health problems for years vand years to come.Like Isaid they are not there to help no one they are surronding places to make it easyer to rob all surronding countrys.The people that asked for help from the west must be stupid because if they didn't learn from Iraq and Afganistan and other places the will before the war is over.The world needs to become a better place for all humanity not just about money that goes to the rich.Hopfully we change or sooner or later we will have destroyed are world and have no resorses than it will be to late.The people that run the world are corperations and all they care about is money.
Jamie
April 16th, 2011 at 4:09 am
We now have the tecnology that if put in to place we would never need oil again and it would not pollute the world.Just like what happend to the electric cars that were going to be built the corperations stopped it because the cars would no longer need gass and they would loss money it's time to wake up and change the way the hole world is run it's worth dieing for or are kids and there kids are going to live in a world not worth living in.
@undertakerpress
April 16th, 2011 at 5:24 am
But Ghaddifi uses cluster bombs! Oh, wait, so do we. Obama and Bush should both be tried for war crimes.
Wootie Berster
April 16th, 2011 at 6:48 am
Regretably it's not abut oil per se. It's about financial power. Material power is the method for acquiring financial power. Were it not oil it would be something else. For example.. currently it's not about oil it's supposedly about "humanitarian" concerns. That these are lunatics is demonstrable. The world they are poisoning is theirs as well! They are destroying the world for their offspring.. and since they are neofeudalists.. psuedo-aristocrats.. their lineage is everything to them.. and yet their posterity is a nuclear graveyard. Already the birthrate in Europe is dropping like a stone! Madmen!
johnc
April 16th, 2011 at 7:09 am
Yep, the Boer war was likewise a humanitarian adventure. Nevermind those pesky farmers living on top of gold deposits.
Sam
April 16th, 2011 at 7:11 am
Welcome back to the 19. century with neocolonialism and theft of ressources like oil and gas.
oneselbow
April 16th, 2011 at 8:59 am
Neo-colonialism has been going strong since, well, the last days of colonialism. Big Oil and other multinational corporations don't rest until they've got sweetheart deals to exploit the natural resources of poor countries. If bribery doesn't work, then they get the CIA to sponsor an insurgency.
David
April 16th, 2011 at 11:17 am
I'm no advocate of DU, but the mention of its use in 2,000-pound bombs dropped by B-2s is specious. None of the DU-containing weapons mentioned at the end of the article are part of bombs. Most are used as anti-tank weapons. Cluster bombs don't contain DU either. Get your facts straight.
…and by the way…it's "effects," not "affects" as in "harmful affects on human beings." If you are going to write in English, at least use it correctly.
Jamal
April 16th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Dissolve the democratic party.., there is no democracy in democratic party.
Is about time for the leader of the Democratic Party.., in this case Barak Hussein Obama to dissolve this non-functioning political party?
The social political and Communism economic structure didn’t worked for the people of USSR; therefore in hope for a better life for the people the USSR by Gorbachev was dismantled.., now right or wrong is another time and for another argument.., in US however the capitalism is the main system in social political and the economic structure which haven’t and it doesn’t work for people, capitalism been synchronizing itself as it is the only system that ever would work for people in USA and all over the world.., as the idea in communism.., capitalism needs to be proven by the US capitalism or the democratic party. During what was called the cold war the argument was about managing the world by either side; therefore, both side was running a arm race against one or the other.., it was this arm race which ended the USSR and capitalism started to taking advantage of the situation conducting wars to prove its points with its militarism regime.
Jamal
April 16th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
2- It is not an argument that capitalism doesn’t work for peoples.., the argument is written within the name “capitalism” which the “ideology” or its principals’ based on profits and not sharing it. Capitalism only works when the system get its bigger.., much bigger share in what the system invests in creating jobs.., the system therefore slaves people to gets its much bigger share.., in the other hand the capitalism needs a government to run its commerce, its agendas both in terms of marketing internationally and domestic .., to do so the government share is the taxes and taxes people again working for capitalism agendas.., having said that: for capitalism being a corrupt economic system therefore governments become as corrupt as the system itself. let me put it like this.., any and every democratic presidents that’s been elected have turned out to be a lair.., if not before at least from the time of Bill Clinton 20 years ago.., his motto was to save money for the people by closing US military bases.., which he did closed few bases here and there.., but he never told the people that he was shipping these solders to Balkan Europe countries to start the Balkan wars.
Jamal
April 16th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
3- Here the Balkan wars was based on a new method created by Madeline Albright using the religious dividing people.., and using the US militarism regime to achieve what a democratic president idea was.., here her famous wording was: “what is so good about this mighty army if we cannot use it”. Thereafter the Iraq and Balkan war started.., although the US and NATO militarism regime didnt invade Iraq until 2003 but nonetheless they were at war with Iraq bombing it. In regard to Balkan however Madeleine Albright hade another idea to implement her motives to start dividing Yugoslavia.., in one hand you hade Serbian orthodoxy with a socialist government governing Yugoslavia.., and in the other the Sunny Muslims in Kosovo where their leader Hashim Taci was none other then the Balkan Mafia.
Jamal
April 16th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
4- So is now and the war in libya.., what Hillary Clinton have done is the version of Madeline Albright by bringing the fundemenatlist from all over the world, terrorist groups and former libyan benerals whom been living for last 20 years in Virginia.., fighting the legitimate government of Libya. Therefore there is no democracy from within the democratic party and it needs to be disoolved.
musings
April 16th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Given that US citizens were "protected" from the 1950's-60's by atomic fallout and that today we are "protected" by TSA groping, is it any wonder that when we "protect civilians" abroad we pollute their country with radioactive contamination? Isn't this just consistent after all with our domestic practices?
Al_Dove
April 16th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
But O-bomb-er and his nattering nabobs tell us that it was only "humanitarian damage".
mickperry
April 17th, 2011 at 1:59 am
Neither the US or the UK government is likely to be doing any 'clarifying', not for the benefit of the ICBUW nor for anyone else. This is one of those situations where we have to form our judgement not by what they say, but by what they actually do, and for this purpose the photographic record is now ample.
Cluster bombs, napalm, white phosphorous and depleted uranium munitions are the stock in trade, and nothing will be allowed to get in the way of their use. It was the war correspondent and journalist John Pilger who pointed out that following the 9/11 attacks on the US, here in Britain many public and commercial events were cancelled as a mark of respect for the victims. The exception was the huge international arms fair hosted in London's Docklands, where it was 'business as usual'.
Meanwhile, we remember the words of a former Secretary Secretary of State who served under Bill Clinton, and who in a moment of rare candour gave her opinion that the deaths of half a million Iraqi children resulting from Western imposed economic sanctions were a reasonable price to pay, in order to remove a dictator from power. Her words tell us all that we need to know regarding any concerns for human life, and the nature of the 'humanitarian intervention' currently under way in Libya.
gerryhiles
April 17th, 2011 at 2:00 am
Agree with you Wootie … and thanks for bringing back fond memories of somewhat more innocent times of Bertie, Jerome K Jerome's "Three Men in a Boat", Kenneth Graham's "Wind in the Willows". OK we both know that that era was somewhat of a myth, but we have gone from harmless dreams to full-on nightmare.
gerryhiles
April 17th, 2011 at 2:03 am
Qadafi does not use cluster bombs. Even if he had them, NATO has taken out all means of delivery. Bet my bottom dollar they are NATO cluster bombs.
gerryhiles
April 17th, 2011 at 2:25 am
Mind you, take heart all rabid neocons and NWOrderists, because 'anti-war' Justin, Ron Paul and all libertarians are agreed that the socialist Qadafi is a "despot", evil, mad and so ought to be destroyed.
Lovely bunch! And look out how the Ron Paul dynasty is establishing itself in "big government" father, son and now grandson … all united in favour of waging war against socialist Qadafi and anyone opposed to their empty rhetoric. They would all be out of a job if rhetoric was converted to fact.
gerryhiles
April 17th, 2011 at 2:53 am
And if you are going to comment, first engage brain. Your comment is a cluster-f*** of unrelated stuff.
Typically you pick on a typo from someone else to attempt to bury your appalling ignorance.
I'll give you a chance to attack me too: (but be careful)
DU has an affect, in effect, because it alters how the brain functions, once inhaled or ingested.
In general alpha-emitting particles, e.g. isotopes of caesium – currently being emitted at Fukushima, have both immediate effects and long-term affects, such as diminished cognitive functioning, as shown by the victims of Chernobyl.
Over to you David-clever-clogs.
Herew is your reall chabce to atack me for noy riting proper english. gramer is unown to me init.
Well I have news for you David-clever-clogs. I have heard more wisdom from the semi-literate, than from the likes of you OK.
Hacklheber
April 17th, 2011 at 9:16 am
Oh yeah? Ron Paul has now a "dynasty" and is for the Lybian war? Justin is for "destroying" old Gaffi?
Are you blowing smoke out of your nether body opening or do you have some data to underpin this? Maybe you want to troll elsewhere.
Hacklheber
April 17th, 2011 at 9:46 am
"DU has an affect, in effect, because it alters how the brain functions, once inhaled or ingested."
Uh-huh…
Protip: It's not alpha emission which would cause that but metal toxicity. Like in lead or nickel.
U-289 has an activity of 12,445 Bq/g [mean decays per second per gram] btw. That's not shabby but is not terribly high either.
gerryhiles
April 17th, 2011 at 10:16 am
Big hair-splitting deal Hacker. Or should it be Dr Strangelove?
Jamal
April 17th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Kaddafi is not a socialist.., he is left leaned regime under his rule.., he dose however have socialistic services implemented in Libyan society, as Iraq during Saddam Husain., the education is for free, so is the healthcare system and again as Iraq before the war there is plenty of work for everyone.., a citizen after working 30 years.., no matter their age.., can retire and be paid the last salary with full benefits.., and when the citizen is passes away his children will get the amount.., say that to US democratic party.., in USA you work for 45-50 years then you get $1200 at most with benefits – Medicare that is about to vanish so is the social security.., they ask you to place your money in 401K with a privet company and other institutions but the question always been.., is it safe.., or some one like “Golden Socks” will steal it down the line. Among other thing that is what Hillary Clinton and in general the US democratic party don’t like such idea and therefore US been at war for last 60 years. don’t get me wrong that goes for the republican party as well.
YrHmblSrvnt
April 17th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Indeed…
One can affect an effect or effect an affect, but one cannot affect an affect or effect an effect.
The DU weapons mentioned in the piece are all kinetic-kill weapons, used almost exclusively in side attacks against armor. They get their energy from moving at multiple-Mach numbers, maximizing kinetic energy and minimizing friction by having high mass-to-frontal area ratios. The effects of these weapons come mostly from the shock wave that precedes them and the spalling inside the armored vehicle that results. They are "hot" when they arrive due to aerodynamic heating. A typical weapon of this kind is a 3-ft-long rod of DU moving at Mach 3, launched by a rocket. It's called LOSAT (line-of-sight anti-tank) If it hits a tank, the tank is dead. They are not cheap.
Radiation effects are certainly present from DU, but these are not the primary purpose of using the material. Ingesting alpha-emitting substances can be deadly.
Cluster devices (such as the DPCM) use shaped charges that attack the thinly-armored tops of tanks and APCs. The worst part of cluster weapons is that sometimes the DPCM does not detonate, and so it becomes an unintentionally-delayed explosive that can be detonated inadvertently. DPCMs cost about $3 each. There are a lot more of them than DU devices, and they are a different weapon for a different use.
Perhaps the author of the piece needs to do a bit more research before making unsubstantiated and broad claims.
gerryhiles
April 17th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Agree with you Jamal, except that Qadafi is a socialist of the Ba'ath variety. I spent about two months at the Mathaba in Tripoli, so I know what I am talking about.
Doesn't mean that I agree with everything Qadafi represents, but I know FAR more than all the 'pundits' here who probably knew nothing much about Libya until a couple of months ago.
avatar singh
April 17th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
As revealed by William Arkin in early 2002, "The Bush administration, in a secret policy review… [had] ordered the Pentagon to draft contingency plans for the use of nuclear weapons [The 2001 Nuclear Posture Review approved by the Senate in late 2002] against at least seven countries, naming not only Russia and the "axis of evil"–Iraq, Iran, and North Korea–but also China, Libya and Syria. (See William Arkin, "Thinking the Unthinkable", Los Angeles Times, 9 March 2002)
In addition, the U.S. Defense Department has been told to prepare for the possibility that nuclear weapons may be required in some future Arab-Israeli crisis.
Memo to the English race and anglosaxon scumbags-
"Unlike the past, the world is no longer your playground where you make up rules and force them upon oppressed nations in order to determine their destiny. The nations of the world have vowed and are determined to shape their own destinies by overthrowing and driving out the western imposed puppets and dictators,"
There is not enough space in this letter to enumerate the many crimes committed by the United States and Britain in the past – from the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki that caused the death of countless civilians and the crippling damage to successive generations of human beings, to the massacre of the people of Vietnam, to the overthrowing of scores of democratic governments throughout the world through military coups and the blind support of dictators whose hands are soaked with the blood of their own people. Nor is there enough space in this letter to recount the more recent crimes carried out under the cover of "The War on Terror " with trillions of dollars flowing into the pockets of weapons companies and the spilling of the blood of countless innocent women and children in Iraq and Afghanistan. This abhorrent game of death serves the interests of powerful corporations and investment holdings and has led to the massacre of over a million people in Iraq and Afghanistan alone.
Is not the extent of this tragedy similar to the often propagated Holocaust?
Despite these crimes, you angloamerican scumbags still have the "audacity " to declare yourselves the champions of human rights and freedom and to interfere in the domestic affairs of peace loving nations. “
The world has witnessed the massacres in Bahrain and they have seen the Bahraini dictator – your close friend and ally – killing his own people right in front of the eyes of the US Navy's Fifth Fleet stationed there. Similarly, everyone can clearly see that the most despotic and backward kings and dictators in the Middle East and North Africa, such as the King of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Morocco, Yemen, Bahrain and others in the Persian Gulf region are all under your protection and support. These governments are not simply your "allies " but in fact they are kept in power by your overt and covert support. These despotic and backward regimes would have been overthrown long ago by their own people had your backing – overt and covert – not existed””
DonT
April 17th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Any reference to Ron or Rand Paul supporting the Libyan adventure would be enlightening. Ron has consistently said that it's our overseas adventures and the policies that support them that cause us difficulties.
gerryhiles
April 17th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
It would be helpful if Ron Paul ceased using inflammatory language about Qadafi AND questioned 911.
The day Ron Paul, his son and soon grandson castigate those who demonize Qadafi (and other selected leaders), that'll be the day I believe they are genuinely antiwar, similarly the day they call for a new inquiry into 911. Meanwhile, whilst speachifying against wars, they tacitly, or implicitly contribute to the jingoism used by the hawks.
I am NOT saying that Ron Paul, Justin and whomever support wars, just that they stop short at addressing the core issues.
Max Shields
April 17th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
I also remember her (Albright's) telling remarks, "what good is that wonderful military of ours if we never use it?"
howardtlewisiii
April 17th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
The NWO=OWO is comming to collect and it is not pretty. Check out all the scars on Pres. Dover's head and look at Frank Marshall Davis's rap sheet and his mother's and step father's CIA ties. After winning the Nobel peace prize, our boy does a complete flip-flop on EVERY issue. Indicating, by the universal nature of this betrayal, that Obama has been the subject of a number of designer psychosurgeries. The numerous long scars on the back of his head indicate that every neural surgeon in the CIA and NSA has taken a whack. Meanwhile, America sounds like a gaggle of WELL-FED geese.
Now what, Mr. Wilson? The crowns of Europe, through Foggy Bottom and the CFR controlled TV programming, have recolonized the United States and continue to murder at will, by proxy.
wdgray
April 17th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
LAmerica has gone ape shit. Can anyone cut it off?