Are We Allied to a Corpse?
Of our Libyan intervention, one thing may be safely said, and another safely predicted.
When he launched his strikes on the Libyan army and regime, Barack Obama did not think it through. And this nation is now likely to be drawn even deeper into that war.
For Moammar Gadhafi’s forces not only survived the U.S. air and missile strikes, after which we turned the air war over to NATO, his forces have since shown themselves superior to the rebels. Without NATO, the rebels would have been routed a month ago.
And, today, NATO itself stands a chance of being humiliated.
“NATO’s Bomb Supply Is Running Short,” ran Saturday’s headline in the Washington Post over a story that began thus:
“Less than a month into the Libyan conflict, NATO is running short of precision bombs, highlighting the limitations of Britain, France, and other European countries in maintaining even a relatively small military action over an extended period of time. …
“The shortage of European munitions, along with the limited number of aircraft available, has raised doubts … about whether the United States can continue to avoid returning to the air campaign if Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi hangs on to power.”
Only six NATO nations have planes running strikes on the Libyan army, and the French and British, who are doing most of the bombing, are running out of laser-guided munitions. And their planes are not equipped to handle U.S. smart bombs.
NATO air attacks are thus becoming less precise and lethal, as Gadhafi is pounding Misrata, the last rebel-held city in the west, and his army is again contesting Ajdabiya, the gateway to Benghazi.
In short, the war is not going well. Where does this leave us?
If the United States does not get back on the field, the Libyan army will likely crush resistance in Misrata and push the rebels back to Benghazi and Tobruk.
As the rebels lack the soldiering experience or organization to conduct an offensive, and their NATO air arm is weakening, the best they can probably hope for in the near term is to hold on to what they have in the east. Which means a stalemate—a no-win war.
Can Obama accept such an outcome to a war he started, at the outset of which he declared Gadhafi must go? Can he go into 2012 with Republicans mocking him for picking a fight with Gadhafi, then losing it for the United States? Can Obama leave Gadhafi in Tripoli knowing he is plotting terror attacks against America in reprisal?
If Gadhafi survives, does Obama survive?
Can he tell the beleaguered British and French we are not going to double down on our folly of having started this war?
In an op-ed last week in the New York Times, Obama, along with Nicolas Sarkozy and David Cameron, wrote:
“Our duty and our mandate is … not to remove Gadhafi by force. But it is impossible to imagine a future for Libya with Gadhafi in power. … It is unthinkable that someone who tried to massacre his own people can play a part in their future government.”
But if it is “unthinkable” and “impossible” for Gadhafi to remain in power, who is going to remove him?
Absent celestial intervention, it is Uncle Sam, or no one.
If regime change is now the unstated NATO mission, who but the United States can ensure the mission is accomplished?
The Post story about Britain and France, the leading military powers of NATO Europe, depleting their smart-bomb supply in a one-month clash with an African nation of 6 million, and begging the Yanks to come back and win the war for them, raises a major question.
Is the most successful alliance in history, which kept the Red Army of Stalin, Khrushchev, and Brezhnev from smashing through the Fulda Gap and reaching the Channel, a hollow shell?
Is NATO, without America, a paper tiger?
On the eve of World War I, the German foreign minister, after visiting the aged Emperor Franz Josef in Austria, reported back to the Kaiser, “Sire, we are allied to a corpse.”
Are we?
In the 1990s, we had to pull the British and French chestnuts out of the Bosnian fire. When Serbs fought for their cradle province of Kosovo, America had to break Belgrade with 78 days of bombing.
NATO Europe couldn’t handle a fight in its own backyard.
Though we are still in Iraq, NATO is gone. There are NATO units in Afghanistan, but some have pulled out and others won’t fight.
What benefit does America receive from membership in NATO to justify the cost of maintaining tens of thousands of troops, air and naval bases, ships, and planes defending a rich and populous continent that chronically refuses to provide the arms and men to defend itself?
Why are Americans still defending Europe 66 years after World War II ended and a generation after the Soviet Union disappeared?
Isn’t it time we kicked them out of the nest?
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Read more by Patrick J. Buchanan
- A Decade of War – for What? – May 3rd, 2012
- Tomorrow’s Man – or Yesterday’s? – April 26th, 2012
- Bibi’s Dilemma — and Barack’s – April 16th, 2012
- Is the GOP Becoming a War Party? – March 8th, 2012
- Will Bibi Break Obama? – March 1st, 2012





kev
April 18th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
this war will still be raging when elections come around. o-bomb-ya is counting on it
andy
April 18th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
America should have left NATO long ago.
Politics Journal
April 18th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
"defending a rich and populous continent that chronically refuses to provide the arms and men to defend itself?"
They can defend themselves they just cannot make prolonged war on others -and what's wrong with that Pat? Europeans by and large don't have the American lust for war and glory – they have seen more than enough of that nonsense to last them another 100 years.
Duglarri
April 18th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
People forget what NATO was for. It was created to keep the Americans in, the Russians out, and the Germans down. As the saying used to go. Now what's it for? Hard to say- which is the biggest reason to put an end to it.
Strider55
April 18th, 2011 at 11:06 pm
NATO's mission was 1) to deter an invasion of Western Europe by the Soviet Union and its Warsaw Pact puppets, and 2) to repel such an invasion if deterrence failed. NATO should have disbanded in 1992 after the USSR and WP dissolved. The only reason for keeping it was (and is) to avoid cashiering a bunch of otherwise useless US generals & admirals, while simultaneously keeping the military-industrial complex in operation.
Jamal
April 18th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
"Without NATO, the rebels would have been routed a month ago".
Mr. Buchanan.., what I want to know is.., who are these rebels as you call them rebeles…, what is it that they are rebelion against and besied a Islamic regime what is their motives.., what Hillary Clinton promissed them when they hade a meeting in Paris and before that she hade a meeting with Muslims Brotherhood in Egypt.., when did they come to Libya and from where.., whom is helping them bside Saudi Arabia and Arab Emirates and what is the connection between these rebels and Al Queida
the lion
April 19th, 2011 at 12:13 am
NATO is an anachronism of the Cold War, as said by Strider, it should have been disbanded, but that would have meant getting out of Europe and losing all those bases. Not Just Germany but Italy, The Netherlands, Britain, Spain, Belgium. Greece Turkey. even now Poland and the Ukraine are along with others being added to NATOs sphere of influence, with US bases being added. There are calls to add Israel to NATO as well. France being the ONLY NATO country not to have a US base on it, That was in fact ironically Eissenhowers Fault.
How to save hundreds of Billions of dollars return al US military to their Home Bases on US Soil.
bob35983
April 19th, 2011 at 12:28 am
I wonder if it more accurate to state NATO-Europe is the entity allied to a corpse?
Andrew
April 19th, 2011 at 12:52 am
NATO was created for the US benefit, using European countries as a shield against USSR weapons e.g. placing of US cruise missiles in Europe in the 1980's. NATO is a convenient cover for US aggresssion.
Sam
April 19th, 2011 at 3:17 am
More US engagement with ground troops in Libya would be foolish. It's better to find a political way and stay out. The Sahara tribes, some allied to Gadhafi are making wars in Algeria,North Mali, Chad, Sudan, Somalia for years and the whole region is infested with arms. Who would wish a new Irak or Somalia?
emilyrose
April 19th, 2011 at 3:21 am
According to the NATO charter it is for DEFENSIVE purposes – not OFFENSIVE – big difference..
It violated that charter with the illegal attack on Yugoslavia and the mass slaughter of Serbs in the barbaric 78 days and nights of the bombing of defenceless civilians.
(Mr Gadaffi – NATO can show you how to murder civilians – they are the best bombers on the planet – you sir, are a rank amateur.)
Every NATO attack since then has also clearly been illegal under the formative charter or has it been conveniently amended to allow murder and mayhem against any nation who dares to defy it or who will not hand over its banks and resources?
Mike
April 19th, 2011 at 3:21 am
Sarkozy, Cameron and the dragged-in Obama embarked on this "lovely little war" to bolster their sagging poll numbers at home. Naively thinking it would be over in a couple of days, they just couldn't wait to start bombing and anticipating great acclamation for their "humanitarian" missiles and bombs. As it is, these three sawdust Caesars will be in the trash can of history when not one of them will be reelected – and Ghaddafi will still be in power and wetting himself laughing at them.
As for NATO, it's outlasted its usefulness as a defensive organization meant to meet a now no longer existing threat from a no longer existing Soviet Union. The attempt to recycle it as an instrument of neo-colonial wars in the Middle East at the behest of Big Oil is killing it off once and for all.
geo1671
April 19th, 2011 at 5:49 am
Patty Cake is pissssing in the wind. What's with "Isn’t it time we kicked them out of the nest" Nest is usually a base for safety. USA has future plans for NATO. WWI WWII USA entered the wars to create an empire. It used Germany/Russia/Japan/China to fight amoungest themselves and come in for the final kill. What's in it for Uncle Scam–a Future empire army to go after China .In the mean time sell/control Middle east oil to Europe,keep the russians down and keep the Rothchilds in business –as world's only money changers :^(
MichaelKenny
April 19th, 2011 at 6:09 am
What benefit does America receive from membership in NATO, asks Mr Buchanan. None! What benefit does Europe get from NATO? None! Who does benefit from NATO, then? Israel! (Who did you expect?) Post-cold war NATO is merely a legal pretext for keeping US military personnel and equipment within easy reach of Israel. By calling America's bluff on Libya, European leaders have demonstrated that the US will not defend Europe. Libya is thus a double disaster for Israel. On the one hand, the Libya fiasco discredits NATO and therefore undermines its usefulness for Israel. On the other, the fight is taking place on Israel's front doorstep and worse than that, it cuts right across the most direct route between Israel and its American bully. Worse again, Libya highlights the fact that a classic military alliance like NATO does not meet Europe's current defence needs. What Europe needs is a robust frontier protection force with land, sea and air capability, in other words, the modern version of the preventive role which NATO so successfully performed during the cold war.
MvGuy
April 19th, 2011 at 6:18 am
As the rot spreads to every corner of America, Nato is our shining citadel on a hill….to go forth and slay the dragons of lesser gods… and loot their accounts and resources for well placed interests….. Our leader "O" was betrayed by his enthusiasm to NOT be back-seated by hyper-neocon Sarcozi ….. Now I see why all my radical Zionist friends were consoling themselves when "O" prevailed with the "S" win. Or am I reading too much into the newly minted French adventurism….
Pam
April 19th, 2011 at 6:43 am
The U.S. should not kick them out of the nest. Rather, we should simply fly away from the tangle of twigs and never look back.
guest
April 19th, 2011 at 8:29 am
In another fine article, Pat Buchanan asks, “Why are Americans still defending Europe 66 years after World War II ended and a generation after the Soviet Union disappeared?”__However, to get the right answer, one must ask the right question. __The question is: What does defense have to do with it?_
Jaime
April 19th, 2011 at 8:43 am
Probably so because the future of the US as an empire is bleak.
mike
April 19th, 2011 at 9:03 am
Though I agree with Pat on some things, I must say that with the history of the region I disagree with him on Europe rearming for war. Europe took the farewell message of Ike, and put their monies into meeting the needs of it's citizens. I am a little bit astounded that we are complaining that Europe isn't militaristic enough? Japan needs to destroy it's constitution so it can get it's war on in relation to China? WTF? So much for the "war's to end all war's", what a cruel joke that be.
Terrance&Philip
April 19th, 2011 at 10:01 am
"Now what's it for?"
Oh, oh, oh! I know this one!
To keep another market open for the products of the globe's MIC's and positions open to which career military officers can be promoted. Right?
jeff_davis
April 19th, 2011 at 10:12 am
Thanks, Strider. Yes, it's all about the money, the MIC/Pentagon welfare queens.
charles caruso
April 19th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Lets face it: The war in Libya is over, and Gaddafi has won – beaten the U.S. Britain and France.
The rest is just tidying up the loose ends, which will divide the country east and west, pleasing the oil companies since most of the oil is in the west.
Lets get on to more important things like the royal wedding and Lady Gaga.
RickR30
April 19th, 2011 at 10:41 am
"Only six NATO nations have planes running strikes." Why "only?" How many should there be? It's actually six too many. All the NATO countries not participating are doing what's right.
"If the United States does not get back on the field, the Libyan army will likely crush resistance in Misrata and push the rebels back to Benghazi and Tobruk. " So?
"Can he [Obama] go into 2012 with Republicans mocking him for picking a fight with Gadhafi, then losing it for the United States?" How is he losing it for the US? What stake or interest do we have in that war? It's his war, not America's. If you go in to avert a supposed massacre (fabricated only in the minds of neocons and their useful political idiots), and you did avert it, then you succeeded. What would it even mean for us to win or lose the Libyran civil war? This assumes that bigger neocon wins the presidency. And it wasn't the case during the last one.
Not to defend the existence of NATO, but the benefit that we receive is that otherwise without it, it would be the US exclusively fighting wherever NATO has some presence. Yes, we need to get out of NATO and NATO must be abolished, but we also need to abolish the political careers of all these irresponsible veiled weapons lobbyists dressed up as politicians that keep getting us embroiled in every conflict around the world that has nothing to do with us.
andy
April 19th, 2011 at 11:48 am
NATO is a classic example of how bureaucracies always look after their own interests.
andy
April 19th, 2011 at 11:51 am
If NATO was disbanded what would all those career officers in the U.S. military do? Sell used cars?
VietnamWarVet
April 19th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
In his book about leadership – "Russell's Rules" – Boston Celtic great Bill Russell states that: "Presidents are never so popular as when they send the troops off to war".
Wars are often about politics – besides the profits they make for the companies supplying the arms – to boost the sagging poll numbers for those idiots running for reelection.
France and Britain are third rate military powers – their days are long gone.
America is the current warmongering empire – whose days are on schedule to be gone.
America's mightiest military on planet Earth can NOT even defeat the rag tag Taliban in Afghanistan – rotten from top to bottom, America is fast falling like a rotten plum from a tree.
ozzie
April 19th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
We must first understand what the purpose of this war against Libya is. Its purpose is first and foremost to break America and to transfer Americas wealth to an elite known as the military-industrial complex.
As such, the war is a big success. And the war will probably drag on for several more years until America is finished. And may be that is the best thing that could happen.
Sam
April 19th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
It must be too about young american soldiers giving their lives , therewith some people get richer .http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sec...
avatar singh
April 19th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
natos very existence was and is meant to serve the parasitic aggressive agenda of england first inside europe and then outside in wider world. It was meant as a post of english empire(at a time when england really is a foruth rate power) on back of american arms.
it is not neocons who are for perpetual war it is the english race so called British who are instigating the perpetual war of course the English are too coward and weak to fight on their own so they have arranged a charade called NATO to do their dirty work.
Decisions in nato are made not in berlin or Belgium but only in London and some british agents’ place in washington. NATO WAS CREATED TO KEEP THE INFLUNCE OF WEAKNED BRITISH BASTARDS TO KEEP EUROPEANS DOWN (ESPECIALLY GEMRNS AND FRENCH) AND KEEP RUSSIAN THREATEND. IT WAS NOT CREATED TO counter Russia; it was created to give support by americans to the British agenda of keeping the world for the e benefit of English and anglosaxon race and that only.
as for hilary then you must understand that within one year of election of willy bill Clinton the British, who did not like Clinton had already infected Clinton clan and enslaved him to their agendas- in fact British were happy when Clinton lost democratic majority ih the house in 1994 election-they wanted not Clinton but pampered him anyway to use him for british agenda for perpetual war and Kosovo attack to justify nato existence- the same nato which was created and which serves for british interest only . It so happens that many jews have found the same aim recently as the British so it appears that it is neo con agenda -nothing could be further from he truth in fact British were adamant against Lebanon war in 1982 and were threatening Israel with atomic bomb in 1948 war.please recognise the real evil hat is British and we should neutralise that evil and dismantle their evil empire.
Sam
April 19th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Gadhafi is more than Gadhafi.
pendulum
April 19th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
wrong, it continued by expanding to the east up to Russia's borders in an attempt to hem in Russia. There were constant attempts to get the black and caspian sea countries in for the same reason. The US managed a pipe line through Georgia and Turkey then pissed off Turkey, who allowed Russia to build a parallel gas line to Europe, everything else is bullshit and the attempt ti neutralize Russia is a huge failure.
Richard
April 19th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
I don't think he is advocating for more European militarism, but more for a two-sided alliance (US, Europe) that either benefits both (it benefits only Europe now as they get free defense*) or is disbanded.
* I don't consider the driving up of military contractor stock prices to be a general benefit.
Mossad
April 19th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
Yes, kick them out of the nest! But Congress and the President cling to illusions of world dominance. It won't happen until we run out of money, which means our economy will have to collapse first.
andy
April 19th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
Of course nobody ever suggested the alternative strategy of trying to befriend Russia. Too bad.
John_Muhammad
April 19th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
" Why are Americans still defending Europe 66 years after World War II ended and a generation after the Soviet Union disappeared? "
One word will suffice: Profits.
emsnews
April 19th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
NATO invaded Afghanistan. And that was a ridiculous invasion, too. Worse, it was what bin Laden dreamed of: bogging down NATO in the Graveyard of Empires. He succeeded beyond his wildest, insane dreams!
avatar singh
April 19th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
no the purpose of nato-really an english creation was to keep thrid rate england still meddlling ineurope and keep germns downa nd russian out -all with help of american arms ebcause english coudlnto do that on thier own. that is still teh unsaid aim of m=nato-to make england kick above her wiight on back of american and foolish european arms.
avatar singh
April 19th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
no nato was created fdor the benfit of england to keep europeans down. usa did nto need nato it was already a world super power by that time.
MvGuy
April 19th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
Yaa Sam, he is Laurel and Hardy plus Mao Zedong………. good for a laugh, but not exactly a push over….. but time will tell what stuff heez got…. he finds himself almost unaided against America AND Europe… I love him and hate him too, but I am always a sucker for the underdog…… Go Mo GO..!!
mark
April 19th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
Don't blame Pat; he's just reminding us of the obvious: if there is to be any military crusade, our NATO allies would just as soon let the US lead the charge (and foot the bill). As for Europe's war fatigue, I agree. But it's the elites from both continents who have the greatest appetite for military adventurism.
Paul
April 19th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
Perhaps our president has done this on purpose. Call me a conspiracy nut, but this guy loves to sweep in the "save the day". Health care, stimulus packages, oil spills, etc. Maybe, just maybe…he is hoping for NATO to fail in this quest so he can take over the mess, bomb Libya into submission then disband NATO as the ineffectual farce that it is. Then again, maybe…just maybe..our President is hoping to embarrass the United States again? He may have been getting a sore back from bowing to all of our enemies on the world stage, so perhaps he decided that it would be more effective to have the US and NATO completely implode militarily and go home empty handed, abandoned and utterly alone in the world. Kind of like Barry's childhood. Nah, that would be a bit to Freudian to be true…or maybe it was simply to prove a point that Barry has made from the beginning – colonialism by force doesn't work. Just ask his "friends" from Indonesia and Kenya. You know, the ones visiting the White House in the middle of the night who refuse to sign the guest book…but I digress. My apologies.
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yaridanjo
April 20th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
The USA's new motto: NO WE CAN'T
The USA has lost the war to steal Iraqi oil for Israel.
The USA has lost the war to own the heroin trade in Afghanistan.
The USA will lose control of Libyan oil and China will acquire it.
The USA and NATO will never again win a war as long as it is an ally of Israel.