It’s Their War, Not Ours
Before the United States plunges into a third war in the Middle East, let us think this one through, as we did not the last two.
What would be the purpose of establishing a no-fly zone over Libya? According to advocates, to keep Moammar Gadhafi from using his air force to attack civilians.
But if Gadhafi uses tanks to crush the rebellion, as Nikita Khrushchev did in Hungary and the Chinese did in Tiananmen Square, would that be OK?
What is the moral distinction between using planes to kill rebels and running over them with tanks? Do we Americans just want to see a fair fight?
To establish a secure no-fly zone, we would have to bomb radar installations, anti-aircraft batteries, missile sites, and airfields, and destroy the Libyan air force on the ground, to keep the skies secure for U.S. pilots.
These would be acts of war against a nation that has not attacked us.
Where do we get the legal and moral right to do this? Has Congress, which alone has the power to declare war, authorized Barack Obama to attack Libya?
The president may respond to an attack on American territory or U.S. citizens, but Libya has not done that since Lockerbie, more than two decades ago.
Since that atrocity, George W. Bush and Condi Rice welcomed Gadhafi in from the cold, after he paid $10 million in blood money to the families of each of the Lockerbie victims.
What, then, is our present justification for attacking Libya?
The U.N. Security Council has not authorized military action against Libya. No NATO ally has been attacked. Why is Libya not a problem for the Arab League and the African Union, rather than the United States, 5,000 miles away?
Last week, the Senate whistled through a nonbinding resolution urging the creation of a no-fly zone. Call it the Sidra Gulf resolution.
But what are U.S. senators doing issuing blank checks for war eight years after George W. Bush cashed the last one to commit the historic blunder of invading Iraq? Do these people learn at all from history?
That war cost the Republican Party the Congress in 2006 and the presidency in 2008. Far worse, it cost the country 40,000 dead and wounded, a trillion dollars, and the respect of hundreds of millions of Arabs and Muslims who saw the war as an imperial attempt to crush a nation that had done nothing to the United States.
Assume we attack Gadhafi’s air defenses, and in the collateral damage are a dozen children—like those kids collecting sticks on that hillside in Afghanistan—and al-Jazeera spreads footage of their dismembered bodies across the Middle East, as commentators rail, “The Americans are killing Muslims again, this time for Libya’s oil.” The pro-democracy demonstrations across the Middle East would instantly become anti-American riots.
If we destroy Gadhafi’s air defenses, could we simply let the rebels and regime fight it out? If Libyans, seeing us intervene, rose up against Gadhafi, could we let them be massacred as Bush I let the tens of thousands of Shi’ites be massacred who rose up in 1991 against Saddam after Bush urged them to do so?
If we attack Libya, we could not let Gadhafi prevail and plot revenge attacks on U.S. airliners. Having wounded the snake, we would have to go in and kill it. And the interventionists know this, and this is what they are all about.
Never strike a king unless you kill him. In for a dime, in for a dollar. If we declare a no-fly zone, we have to attack Libya. And if we attack Libya, an act of war, we have to see that the war is won.
And after that victory, we could not wash our hands and walk away. We would have to ensure the new government was democratic and a model to the Muslim world, as we are trying to do in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Do we really want to adopt another Muslim country?
Don’t start down a road the end of which you cannot see or do not know. There is no vital U.S. interest in whether Gadhafi wins or is deposed. We ought to stay out. This is their war, not ours.
Churchill once said: Take away this pudding, it has no theme.
What is the theme, where is the consistency in U.S. policy?
We backed the dictators Zine El Abidine Ben Ali in Tunisia and Hosni Mubarak in Egypt, who were as autocratic as Gadhafi, whom we demand be deposed.
We support the dictator in Yemen, the absolute monarch in Saudi Arabia, the king in Bahrain, the sultan in Oman, and the emir in Kuwait, but back pro-democracy demonstrators in Iran, though there have been more elections in Iran than in all those other nations put together.
America has taken a terrible beating for what she has done and tried and failed to do in that region for a decade.
Let the “world community” take the lead on this one.
Tell them, this time, the Yanks are not coming.
COPYRIGHT 2011 CREATORS.COM
Read more by Patrick J. Buchanan
- A Decade of War – for What? – May 3rd, 2012
- Tomorrow’s Man – or Yesterday’s? – April 26th, 2012
- Bibi’s Dilemma — and Barack’s – April 16th, 2012
- Is the GOP Becoming a War Party? – March 8th, 2012
- Will Bibi Break Obama? – March 1st, 2012





Suicero
March 7th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Lockerbie was Iranian/Syrian Intel op in retaliation for the US shooting down an Iranian airliner.
Bill
March 7th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
We don't need another war in the middle east. For all the reasons that Pat cites, plus one more: the US can't afford it. Where will the money come from?
If the US defies all reason and does attack Libya, committing itself to another multi-year occupation, there may be a silver lining: Maybe it won't work. Maybe the Libyans will kick the US out. Maybe the US will default. Maybe there will be anti American protests around the world, and the US will be condemned in the United Nations. Maybe there will be a tax revolt. Maybe Senators McCain and Lieberman will be impeached. You never know!
Hugo
March 7th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
Why don't we simply arm the rebels through a proxy (e.g. Egypt)? If they are better equipped with anti-tank and ground-air missiles, they will fare better in the battlefields. What they need to do now is stabilize frontlines, build bunkers and land defenses, defend the cities they hold, and try to build a credible political alternative to Ghaddafi's regime. If they succeed, they might be able to re-start their stalled movement.
We could also SELL them some non-military equipment such as concrete blocks, cement and metal rods, trucks, flares, searchlights, bulldozers, inflatable patrol boats, generators, medicines, foodstuff, etc. Hey, they have oil for trade. And selling stuff to people isn't an act of war, after all. (Bulldozers and concrete blocks are pretty efficient near frontlines).
ps: Couldn't Ghaddafi use boats to land troops in the rebels' backyard (e.g. somewhere between Tobrook and Darnah)? A no-fly zone works better for a landlocked country with no large desert and no coastline. Right now, Ghaddafi could use tanks (through desert terrain), boats, planes, missiles and whatever is available to strike at the heart of rebel areas. The rebels only control towns and access roads. That kind of control is easily defeated in modern warfare.
jeff_davis
March 7th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Mistake #1
"To establish a secure no-fly zone, we would have to bomb radar installations, anti-aircraft batteries, missile sites, and airfields, and destroy the Libyan air force on the ground, to keep the skies secure for U.S. pilots."
No need, use Raptors.
Mistake #2a
"And after that victory, we could not wash our hands and walk away."
Yes, we most certainly could.
Mistake #2b
"We would have to ensure the new government was democratic and a model to the Muslim world, as we are trying to do in Afghanistan and Iraq."
Baloney. The US stayed for the oil and bases, not to create model democracies. That democracy BS is for US Kool-aid guzzlers.
Those same motivations hold for Libya: oil, bases, and those lush war profits.
In Libya's case however, there is definitely a genuine popular, motivated, militant, and committed insurgent MAJORITY, who would certainly appreciate a modest US bombardment to encourage Gaddafi to vacate the premises.
Strider55
March 8th, 2011 at 12:05 am
Aircraft are nothing more than static display models without pilots to fly them. The rebels should therefore infiltrate Gadaffi-held air bases and kill as many pilots as possible. For good measure, they should also kill the ground support troops who refuel, rearm and repair the planes. All of those personnel are highly trained specialists who are very difficult, if not impossible, to replace. Follow this advice and Libya will quickly become a no-fly zone by default, and with zero foreign intervention.
james
March 8th, 2011 at 12:08 am
Hi Jeff,
I do not really care what Pat Puke-Cannon thinks or writes, he is a part of the establishment in the US. But the rebels have said several times it is their fight and they do not want any outside interference. I also do not care about the technicalities of the things, KEEP OUT OF THEIR BUSINESS, IT IS THEIR FIGHT.
Let me not start about the US support of dastardly regimes across the globe, it is a revoltingt 2 faced superpower and unfortunately its people also.
Hugo
March 8th, 2011 at 12:49 am
The US government has started imposing a gradual trade embargo on US companies doing business with Libya. It may look wise and reasonable at first… but this subtler type of interventionism can lead to tricky situations.
Let's say we end up imposing a total trade embargo on Libya (as a sovereign territory undivided); then it would hurt the Rebels' oil trade (and hurt their only revenue). Or perhaps we could try to weasel our way through with a trade embargo on the Ghaddafi regime proper (and not on Libya as a sovereign state undivided); this could be interpreted as an act of war (e.g. it is equivalent to giving direct support to the rebels and/or supporting secession).
Extending a trade embargo to other countries would mean imposing a territorial blocus on Libya (sea, land and air), which is also an act of war. So even if we don't throw in NATO planes to bomb Ghaddafi's radars and runways, we could end up in a state of war through other means of intervention.
By applying NO trade embargo, we follow a cleverer path, because it gives us maximum flexibility to perform direct trade with port cities in eastern Libya, given that Ghaddafi doesn't blockade the ports. If Ghaddafi cannot control parts of the Libyan territory, then any non-military trade with these areas wouldn't be an act of war, given that this trade is performed through neutral proxies.
Let's start doing non-military business with Benghazi, because we CAN.
geo1671
March 8th, 2011 at 6:27 am
Patty cake said "The president may respond to an attack on American territory or U.S. citizens, but Libya has not done that since Lockerbie, more than two decades ago" ???????????? What!
U'idiot-Lockerbie in in the UK! By the way, evidence shows Libyia had NOTHING to do with bombings :^/
Itlay invaded Libyia and killed over 1/3 of the population—hopefully America does not do the same–blood for oil
MichaelKenny
March 8th, 2011 at 7:36 am
The people that are beating the drum for war in Libya are the same as those who are beating it for war with Iran, who created the mess in ex-Yugoslavia, who manipulated the US into the unwinnable wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, who tried to set off WWIII in Georgia and who are now even sniffing around Moldova, namely, the lunatic fringe in Israel and among Israel's foreign, particularly American, supporters. In practice, I suspect that negotiations are afoot behind the scenes for Gadhafi's departure, the issue being how much of his vast wealth he (and more to the point, his nasty kids!) can keep. Quite a bit of money is now frozen in European, and maybe even American, banks. The "deal" will be how much of that they can get at before a new Libyan government claims it.
John V. Walsh
March 8th, 2011 at 8:17 am
Superb column.
But this does not require any analysis if one hews to a strict policy of anti-interventionism. It is a principle that makes things easy and clear.
The dangerous thing about R2P is that it is a slippery slope and more often than not simply another word for "humanitarian imperialism."
John V. Walsh
RED DAVE
March 8th, 2011 at 8:59 am
Puke-Cannon – I love it. Not only is he a card-carrying member of the Establishment, but he's a member of the authoritarian Right. With "friends" like Patty-Cake, we scarcely need enemies.
Made any speeches in Wisconsin lately, pb?
Sam
March 8th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Lybia has suffered a lot from italian colonial rule, as did the whole of Africa. Any western intervention will be understood as neocolonialism. Irak has been a fiasco. Time for America to cool it down. Softpower, yes, hard power, no.
bogi666
March 8th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Pat you are a parasite feeding at them public trough, using public airways, the internet, paid by fascist tax exempt organizations You've never had to work all the while criticizing those unable to work for being lazy. If you had to work to feed your fat ass pat you'd die of thirst in 3 days, or hunger in 3- days.
andy
March 8th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Why don't we simply mind our own business?
andy
March 8th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
What a tangled web intervention causes.
andy
March 8th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Actually there are millions of ignorant Americans who probably couldn't even find Lybia on an unmarked atlas or globe who would benefit greatly from Pat Buchanan's wisdom.
GeoffreyTransom
March 8th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
Odd how you think you know what's best for them… better than the folks on the ground who have specifically said that the US, UK and NATO should stay the fuck out (and who put deeds around their words by arresting and ejecting the Poms sent to try to massage their way in).
Also – Raptors are absolutely fucking useless; concrete proof of this is that the F22 program was de-funded,. IN THE MIDDLE OF A 'WAR'. Imagine how shit-awful a thing has to be to get its cheque cancelled!
In case you meant to say 'Reaper' (i.e.,drones) – which would make sense if you're talking about preventing pilot deaths – if there is any extant air-defence capability, the Reaper is useless. It has limited evasive capability and almost no onboard ECM (it can have flares and chaff, but those reduce other payload). Drones are only good for cowardly 'over the horizon' attacks on people armed with nothing more menacing than an AK47.
As to Buchanan's "Do we really want to adopt another Muslim country?" trope… really? The carnage wreaked unnecessarily by the US in Afghanistan an Iraq is what adoption is like? Only if the adoptive parent is a child molester.
If the Yanks go in, it will be yet another 'Rock Avalanche' moment: they will lose.
The US is incapable of managing the two countries it has raped to date unless they resort to the well-worn genocidal methods as deployed in the Phillipines, Japan, Germany, Laos, Vietnam and elsewhere.
To try and take on another 'operation' is foolhardy – unless the actual aim is to line the pockets of defense contractors and other political cronies, and to divert public attention from egregious mismanagement of public finances and the slow-motion disintegration of the public infrastructure.
Oh, wait…
Nick
March 8th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
israel and the FIFTH COLUMN in your country need the war. And the FIFTH COLUMN prefers the last yeat's snow in Sahara to any innocent American life that would be lost in the next war. So STAND TO THE FIFTH COLUMN and GET BACK your beautiful country….
Niche
March 8th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
israel' s interests are more important than any American life. Israel, israel UBER ALES …..
Nike
March 11th, 2011 at 1:59 am
How can Americans complain about Ghadaffi butchering civilians with airplanes when the USA is in Afghanistan – butchering civilians with airplanes? What's good for the goose…