I recently read a fascinating article by Scott McConnell, “The Special Relationship With Israel: Is It Worth the Cost?,” which appeared in the spring 2012 Middle East Policy Council Journal. Even for those of us who have closely followed the issue of Israel’s asymmetrical relationship with the United States, Scott provides some unique insights. He observes, for example, that the result of the “special relationship” between the United States and Israel has been the wholesale adoption of Israeli policies and viewpoints by Washington’s policymakers and pundits. As Scott puts it, there exists “a transmission belt, conveying Israeli ideas on how the United States should conduct itself in a contested and volatile part of the world. To a great extent, a receptive American political class now views the Middle East and their country’s role in it through Israel’s eyes.”
I would add that Israel has not only shaped America’s perceptions, it has also supported policies both overseas and domestically that have fundamentally shifted how the United States sees itself and how the rest of the world sees the United States. This is most evident in failed national security policies, damaging interactions with the Muslim world, and the loss of basic liberties at home because of legislation like the PATRIOT Act. Israel and its powerful lobby have been instrumental in entangling Washington in a constant state of war overseas while at the same time planting the seeds for a national security state at home. In short, the end product of the relationship is that the United States has abandoned many liberties, constitutional restraints, and its rule of law to become more like Israel.
This all came about initially because of the false impression that somehow Israel knew more about the Arab world than did U.S. statesmen and diplomats. The Israelis were widely perceived as experts on what was going on in their backyard, but a more correct interpretation would have been that Tel Aviv was working hard right from the beginning to produce a negative perception of Arabs and their ways. American diplomats described as Arabists actually had quite a good understanding of the countries they served in, a vanished world in which the U.S. was welcomed and widely perceived in the most positive terms. After the Second World War, nearly all Arab countries were well-disposed toward the United States, and before the creation of Israel, the U.S. had only friends in the region. After the birth of Israel, Washington’s increasing tilt toward Tel Aviv meant that Israel’s enemies inevitably became America’s enemies.
I can personally recall intelligence reports from the Israelis that circulated through the U.S. government in the 1980s and 1990s. The reports were always designed to cast doubts on Arab leaders and their intentions while carefully avoiding any mention of the Israeli hand in regional instability. Information from Israel was regarded as something of a joke, never considered credible except by those in government who were already on message. Even then it was not wise to be seen as too critical of the Israeli relationship. And Israel had little else to offer Washington beyond its line of self-serving propaganda. Ironically, the reality was that Israeli leaders then and now did not treat the United States as an ally at all. Jeff Stein cites a poll of CIA officers that ranked Israel “dead last” among friendly countries in intelligence cooperation with Washington.
As part of the evolutionary process to change Washington’s perspective on the Middle East, politicians who criticized Israel found themselves confronting well-funded opponents at reelection time, sending the message that it was career-ending to do so. Meanwhile, the Arabists in the State Department were weeded out with the pendulum swinging so far in the other direction that the U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv has abandoned much of its raison d’etre, rarely making any attempt to protect American citizens who are being mistreated or illegally confined by the Israeli government. By the time of the Gaza flotillas, the Obama administration made it plain that American citizen participants would receive no help from the embassy and even implied that such individuals were little more than criminals or terrorist dupes who might be prosecuted, accepting the Israeli definition of any critic as ipso facto a terrorist.
Since the Clinton administration, every senior diplomat or official dealing with the Middle East has had to pass through a vetting process to ensure full support of and deference to Israeli interests. Chas Freeman, who was named to head the National Security Council in 2009, was quickly forced to step down when it was determined that he was not sufficiently pro-Israel. Since 2001, many senior appointees throughout the federal government no longer make any effort to hide their strongly pro-Israel sentiments; witness the ascent of Paul Wolfowitz, Doug Feith, William Boykin, and Eric Edelman at the Pentagon under George W. Bush.
The Israelization of the U.S. national security model entered a new phase with 9/11, a disaster for America welcomed by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as good news because it would bind the two countries together in the fight against what his country perceived as terrorism. In the first few days after 9/11, Congress invited Netanyahu to come to Washington to present his “we are all targets” speech, unleashing a flood of Israeli guidance on how to conduct the newly minted War on Terror. This involved a “with us or against us” policy toward all Islamic countries combined with enhanced security at home and considerable infringements of civil liberties. In short, Israel and its lobby, ably assisted by friends in Congress and the media, pushed the United States into becoming more like Israel to defend itself against what was essentially an overblown terrorist threat.
A book by Israeli Diaspora Minister Natan Sharansky was a
potent symbol of the shift in American attitudes. The Case for Democracy
began to make the rounds within the Bush administration with the president
himself recommending
it, stating that it provided a “glimpse of how I think about foreign
policy.” Condi Rice was also seen reading the book and even quoted
from it in a Senate hearing. Sharansky, who claims to be a human rights
activist even though he has never accepted basic rights for Palestinians,
subsequently helped
Bush write his second inaugural address, with a bit of assistance from leading
neocons Bill Kristol and Charles Krauthammer. The address pledged the United
States to launch what was described as a “global freedom mission.” Sharansky’s
embrace of the democracy concept for the entire world, particularly the Muslim part
of it, has at its heart the objective of encouraging Arabs to evolve into weak
democracies riven by tribalism and religious conflict. The Arabs would
therefore be no threat to Israel. That strategy was first
developed in “A
Clean Break,” a list of recommendations presented to Prime Minister
Netanyahu in 1996 by a group of American neoconservatives.
By exploiting the influence of well-placed officials in the Pentagon, Israel’s leaders began to see that the United States could become an instrument for across-the-board regime change in the Arab world. The first target was Iraq, which was supporting the families of Palestinians killed on the West Bank and Gaza. Israel, in line with the Clean Break strategy, sought to create a fragmented Iraqi state that would no longer be a threat. The incessant Israeli drumbeat for war was not the only element in the near hysteria that led to the attack on Saddam Hussein, but it was the key enabling factor. If Israel had said no to the war and had directed its friends in Congress and the media to support that view, the war would not have happened.
Domestically, the imprint of Israel is also easy to find in the spread of anti-Muslim sentiment in the United States, a phenomenon that hardly existed even in the immediately aftermath of 9/11. Islamophobia has become mainstream largely thanks to the work of a number of commentators who, not coincidentally, are also the most outspoken supporters of Israel. And the hatred has been institutionalized through the creation of a number of projects and institutes, not to mention websites and think tanks headed by Islamophobes such as Pamela Geller, Daniel Pipes, Frank Gaffney, and Robert Spencer. A number of pro-Israel resource centers emphasize the worst aspects of Islam and attempt to portray the religion and culture in completely negative terms. This perception has also spilled over into the political arena. The arguments seek to make the U.S. conform to the Israeli view of the Muslim world, and there are plenty of signs that they have had considerable success. Christian Zionists have taken up the issue of the evils of Islam. There have been suggestions that First Amendment rights and even citizenship should be denied to Muslims. Military academies and schools as well as the FBI have hosted training courses describing the evils of Islam. Also note the denunciations by Newt Gingrich of Shariah law and the denigration of Muslims in general by leading Republicans. Gingrich’s principal source of funds was casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, a major donor to Israeli causes whose wife is Israeli. Adelson is now reported to be funding Mitt Romney.
So what has the tie that binds with Israel wrought? The U.S. government has taken on Israel’s enemies as America’s enemies, including resistance groups such as Hamas and states such as Iran. Nuanced diplomacy is not possible and the U.S. national interest is no longer relevant anywhere in the Middle East that Israel believes itself to have a security problem. In one bizarre case, United States Sen. Mark Kirk of Illinois actually sponsored an amendment that would strip most Palestinian refugees of their legal status. The amendment was reportedly drafted by Israeli politician Einat Wilf.
Israeli pressure also leads Washington to engage in reckless behavior such as the creation of the Stuxnet and Flame computer viruses, while the extension of the War on Terror to include countries that had nothing to do with 9/11, and to groups that do not directly threaten the U.S., is a perceived interest of Israel, not of the United States. It has made numerous enemies unnecessarily and has also turned every American into a target for terrorism.
Here at home, many of the passionate supporters of Israel, including Sens. Joe Lieberman, Lindsey Graham, and John McCain, are also advocates of more government snooping in areas that were once regarded as private. This is no coincidence, as supporting both Israel and the growing police state appear to go together. The Transportation Security Administration is modeled on Israeli border security, with its intrusive searches and ability to engage in largely arbitrary behavior. There are frequent demands from Congress to force the TSA to copy exactly Israeli air travel security practices, including profiling and prolonged interrogations of travelers. Indeed, many of the private security companies operating in the United States, particularly relating to air travel, are already Israeli. The PATRIOT Act also derives from the Israeli model of limiting civil liberties in terrorism cases to enable the police and security services to operate more freely. Unlimited detention without charges for terrorism suspects, recently introduced in the U.S. as part of the National Defense Appropriation Act of 2013, is similar to Israeli practices when dealing with Palestinians. In a step toward the “disloyal” second-class status afforded to Arab citizens of Israel, American Muslims have been singled out as enemies of the state by Rep. Peter King and others, a convenient label that also allows critics to indict their countries of origin as terrorist havens.
So we are Israel and Israel is us. Although the synergy has benefited Israel in the short term in that it has enabled the Netanyahu government to act with relative impunity, it is difficult to see what Americans might have gained from the exchange apart from a now well-established tradition of constant warfare against numerous enemies overseas and diminished rights and the seeds of sectarian conflict planted here at home.
Read more by Philip Giraldi
- Boston Becomes Toxic – May 15th, 2013
- Gatekeeping for Zion – May 9th, 2013
- Kristol Clear – May 1st, 2013
- What Has Bibi Been Doing? – April 24th, 2013
- Drones and Death Lists: The New Face of Warfare – April 17th, 2013





duglarri
July 4th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
The progress toward an Israeli-ruled America proceeds apace. The Einat Wilf incident is indicative of the future: far from making a secret of it, Wilf boasted of having written the amendment.
But as I've said before, it's a mistake to consider Israel as either a strategic asset or liability, or to consider it's value as a partner. Israel is none of these: for most of the current political class, Israel is an objective, the sole objective, and the only important objective of the United States. Not foreign policy: the United States itself. It's the point of the existence of the United States.
That's why the immense military is required. Bigger than the rest of the world combined: well, yes, when you might seriously end up with the US and Israel against the world. You need to be bigger than the rest combined.
How long before the Israelis simply present laws to Congress directly and request that they be passed? For Netanyahu to appear and simply put a number of bills in front of Congress to be signed? How many Congressmen, now, would dare to object?
It's possible we'll see that very soon.
duglarri
July 4th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
The progress toward an Israeli-ruled America proceeds apace. The Einat Wilf incident is indicative of the future: far from making a secret of it, Wilf boasted of having written the amendment.
But as I've said before, it's a mistake to consider Israel as either a strategic asset or liability, or to consider it's value as a partner. Israel is none of these: for most of the current political class, Israel is an objective, the sole objective, and the only important objective of the United States. Not foreign policy: the United States itself. It's the point of the existence of the United States.
That's why the immense military is required. Bigger than the rest of the world combined: well, yes, when you might seriously end up with the US and Israel against the world. You need to be bigger than the rest combined.
How long before the Israelis simply present laws to Congress directly and request that they be passed? For Netanyahu to appear and simply put a number of bills in front of Congress to be signed? How many Congressmen, now, would dare to object?
It's possible we'll see that very soon.
Avi
July 4th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
This article should be required reading for every American citizen.
Let the people know what their tax dollars, representatives and media support. Let the American masses understand how they are being manipulated and fooled by a foreign country with its agents who claim to have America's interests at heart.
sherban
July 4th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
"So we are Israel and Israel is us. Although the synergy has benefited Israel in the short term in that it has enabled the Netanyahu government to act with relative impunity, it is difficult to see what Americans might have gained"…You don't know that Israel has a special relation too with God?Yesterday,4 Julie,Michel Oren said that "God have to bless America",so this is the advantage America benefits .
mickperry
July 5th, 2012 at 1:41 am
One base not covered in this otherwise excellent account is the impact upon the Arab world itself. The US obsession with preventing other nations from charting an independent course means that Arab nationalism has always been seen as a primary target for destruction.
The US therefore encouraged Israel to launch the 1967 war in order to destroy the nationalist regimes in Syria and Egypt.
It is ironic then that today, having crushed the Arab secular movements, the US now complains bitterly about the rise of the Islamists.
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Edmond
July 5th, 2012 at 5:04 am
This was an excellent article and should be repeated and forwarded as much as possible. The preceding comments expound further on this very well, including the one by "dhelix64" that neocons and warhawks may merely be "using the Israeli view of the Middle East as a catalyst to influence the rest of the US gov't into a permanent state of war."
While what the neocons do is exactly as Phil described, in my opinion, we have to acknowldge, I believe, that as with most socities, we also have some genuine "warhawks," or militarists (including such as those in former Communist countries) , fascists, or some similar term. Israel's policies in the mideast, and its military rule over the West Bank is exactly the model they have for our society or any society that has the misfortune of falling under their control. Of course the neocons fall within that category as well. But some of the militarists were on full display coming out of the Vietnam War, arguing we had been stabbed in the back and we needed to suspend civil liberties in the next war, which they seemed to look forward to. Of course our culture cultivates that personality type now.
Edmond
July 5th, 2012 at 5:05 am
Part II: Unfortunately, support for Israel and "permanent war on terror" binds these militarists all together and gives them cover as well. One of the additional examples of this influence is the change taking place in the law of war due to a grossly disproportionate preponderance of law professors with connections to Israel, either as former IDF attorneys or simply through all the exchanges through their law schools and ours. Consequently, Israeli militaristic thinking has changed the legal culture of the US and modified the law of war to best suit Israeli, and now US, policies.
One additional point on Perle's "A Clean Break;" as much condemnation as Perle deserves for that, he should also be condemned for his plagiarism. In 1982, a similar prescription was written, "A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties," by Oded Yinon. Yinon is a one-time Israeli Foreign Service Officer and Israeli journalist and this paper is readily available on the internet by searching the title.
richard vajs
July 5th, 2012 at 5:48 am
Exceptional article, but even then it is even worse than Mr. Giraldi points out. Even so called human rights organizations have been tainted by Zionist interests. There is an another article in today's menu calling attention to the weirdness of Amnesty International calling for continued war in Afghanistan. That is not strange to me – my dealings with Amnesty International (AI) have been frustrating and revealing – they are always calling attention to human rights abuses by the Muslim countries, but are very silent on the matter of Israeli occupatrion and abuse of Palestine. And if anyone wants to get a royal dose of Zionism, they need only attend Christian services at most any Christian church on Sunday morning where they might get to see American and also Israeli flags flanking the altar.
Bruce Richardson
July 5th, 2012 at 5:48 am
Brilliant deduction, analysis and articulation. Phil Giraldi really get's it!
But for those who cannot but support Israel no matter what, please remember the USS Liberty incident, a deliberate attack on an American ship by Israeli aircraft which took the lives of numerous American navy personnel.
Macroman
July 5th, 2012 at 6:09 am
The NDAA is the National Defense AUTHORIZATION Act, not the National Defense Appropriation Act. Also, third line of tenth paragraph (beginning "Domestically"), drop "ly" from "immediately."
Macroman
July 5th, 2012 at 6:09 am
The NDAA is the National Defense AUTHORIZATION Act, not the National Defense Appropriation Act. Also, third line of tenth paragraph (beginning "Domestically"), drop "ly" from "immediately."
Phil Giraldi
July 5th, 2012 at 6:48 am
Apologies. Sloppy on my part.
Kolya_Krassotkin
July 5th, 2012 at 6:59 am
I have said it before, and I will never tire of saying it: Our "special" relationship with Israel has cost America and her people too dearly and will cost much more before it finally ends.
Tip Nuck
July 5th, 2012 at 7:29 am
BS, recalls the work of David Emory, noted "anti-facist researcher" and disinformation specialist.
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Cold Wind
July 5th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Yes, the US is a client state, obscene in its subservience to Israel. Israel's supporters should be removed from any position of power or influence in the US government. Members of AIPAC and JINSA should be arrested for treason.
tom dee
July 5th, 2012 at 8:50 am
The necons get swept up with the war and the phony war on terror. they are the terrorist and they use terror to make money. As truman statated no group was worse than the zionist when it came to terror
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Stevo
July 5th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Excellent article as usual, Mr. Giraldi. It's disgusting how our nation is losing it's sovereignty to the foreign agenda and interests of Israel. Israel and their lackeys here in the States are truly one of the greatest threat to US interests, our social/political/economic/defense orders, that our country has ever faced.
It absolutely sickens me to see foreign-loyalists like Robert Mueller brag that he's mentored by Israel's Shin Bet (ever wondered why the FBI never pursues cases against Israeli interests?) and Art Cummings II say that he loves sinking his "fangs" into people (his actual words … who says they love sinking their fangs into anything??). The people who control our Intelligence and Federal "Police" apparatus have no problems throwing American people, interests, and treasure under the bus as long as it benefits their mentors in Israel.
charles caruso
July 5th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Giraldi for president!
robertsgt40
July 5th, 2012 at 11:46 am
"How long before the Israelis simply present laws to Congress directly and request that they be passed?"—They've been doing it for decades. The Israelification of America is almost complete
Agvo
July 5th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Many of Israel's supporters say that we support Israel because we share the same values with the Israelis. While this belief was never true in the past, it seems that the Israelis are now forcing their values on us and many gullible people are beginning to believe that myth.
deliaruhe
July 5th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
And the most obvious way in which Washington apes Israel: targeted assassinations. As in Israel, killing some guy while turning his family into "collateral damage" isn't enough. You have to bomb his funeral to get the rest of his friends and family.
The McConnell article with which this piece begins is really worth reading. Since its publication, I keep an electronic copy of it handy for easy quoting. It can be found at:
http://www.mepc.org/journal/middle-east-policy-ar…
Jaime
July 5th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Israel has always had the intention of turning the US into its puppet. The way to do this was not only through AIPAC and the rest of the things mentioned here but also through radical measures such as 9/11. It is very probable that this horrific act was carried out with the help of several Americans who care nothing about American interests because they are completely sold to Israel. These are the traitors: some dual citizens and others who, for some reason, decide to throw their lot with Israel. In the latter case, we have most American politicians and part of the elite -military and economic.
patriothere
July 5th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Everything in this piece is accurate and it made me furious!
PEACE EVER AFTER
July 5th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
This has got to be one of your best articles.
Hanussen
July 5th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
The penultimate paragraph doesn't mention the checkpoints. (Yes, we live in a police state now.)
Gera Rosy
July 5th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Jaime, like Cold Wind, is correct in identifying American traitors "who care nothing about American interests" who have decided "to throw their lot to Israel." Jaime believes that there must be a reason for their treason.
Although having been taught in Hebrew School that Israel was my only country and that my family just happened to be in the United States, that doctrine didn't stick and I suspect that many of my classmates also rejected it. We were taught that "there is no Sabbath Judaism without Zionism and that "every daily prayer of the observing Jew carries the undertone of return to Zion." This quote is from Dagobert Runes, an intellectual and close personal friend of Albert Einstein.
Some people may still believe it. Perhaps it is why so many American Jews (and Christians as well)have dual citizenship and dual loyalty.
zouppie
July 6th, 2012 at 6:14 am
Since Israel's stooges are running the USofA, Americans, without dual passports, have the boot firmly planted on their neck, and are treated more and more as home grown Palestinians.
Joe Smith
July 6th, 2012 at 8:33 am
I think it's time for US to declare its passionate, lucid love affair with Israel. What do you want to be called ?
Israel as the 51st State of US ?
or
US as the Second State of Israel ?
PS: Given most Americans' patriotism towards Israel, the latter option would sit better.
Poet
July 6th, 2012 at 9:07 am
The alliance which fuels more wars and profits for the capitalists is so obvious. Since I did not read all these comments, I put forth this assessment. The mix of so many so-called "Christian" beliefs brings me to the idea of how so many in the American government claim to believe in some version of the Armageddon story. The book, "The Family" by Jeff Sharlet is one good book about some of this history – the meshing of different religious beliefs with political beliefs. It seems obvious to me that many of the warmongers in charge actually do believe in the prophesies of this great battle in the Middle East which they also seem so intent upon creating. The religious justifications for said actions only attempt to mask the real intent for profits and theft of natural resources. But if the ignore-ant followers are duped and follow, these warmongers have won the mental wars in America. Even when the people do not believe the total domination of America by war profiteers is pervasive. This is why I think so many buy into these aggressive actions by both Israel and America. Too bad so few actually LIVE the views of religions they purport to believe! Peace
musings
July 7th, 2012 at 11:08 am
I live in a town outside Boston which is not Brookline, but nevertheless widely perceived as a Jewish enclave. The police chief proudly announced that he was going to Israel for security training. The idea was that he would somehow enhance his skills at dealing with crises and possible acts of terror in this well-heeled 'burb. The deference shown Israel by a community which took part in the American Revolution and where people are far from stupid about dealing with threats kind of boggles the mind. Can it be that Hollywood scenarios are so pervasive, along with their stereotypes, and can it also be that people are so fearful of their own shadows, that they would concede that Israel's policies are lighted by some Higher Power in which they must share in order to hang on to their safety? Where did reason go? Was it also killed on 9/11, along with the US Constitution?
musings
July 7th, 2012 at 11:57 am
I am sorry anyone gave you a negative rating for being so forthcoming. The fact is that if you are an American, you have a choice of dual citizenship and dual loyalty or not. You are not a bad person for refusing to go down that path, nor a negligent person. It is possible to wish another country well and understand its position in the world without jumping in an saying it is your first loyalty while going through the motions of being a US citizen. I like France, I think there are features about Britain that are good (and reasons to ally with it in WWII in order to save it from "existential threat"), and I think that if Israel were truly under attack most Americans would want to help it. But casting your mind into a frame where the tribal and the religious is now seen to meld with the political is dangerous. No one should be denied their Sabbath because they dislike the choices of a nation-state. Render unto Caesar (and that includes Israel) what is his, and under God what is his. In the end, the ethical system will outlive the political ones.
mjmjm
July 7th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/07/09/uss…
Karma
July 7th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Far too often we have seen the loudest calls for war made by those who never saw a day of combat in their lives. This makes it far too easy for them to glorify war and send our young men and women off to die for a less than noble cause like we saw happen with the invasion of Iraq. Naturally having the draft reinstated will never happen as long as the American people and our politicians continue to turn a blind eye to their suffering while pretending that we 'support' the troops.
musings
July 7th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
I don't consider the draft a panacea. I lived my teenaged years under the system of the draft (but being a female was never directly subject to it). The draft did not prevent stupid military adventures which took a decade to wind down. The draft was not fair then, and no future one will be either. But I can imagine it is waiting in the wings (and it is – perhaps even for females) for something big and sticky like a war with Iran which might morph into a confrontation with another super-power (oh, they are out there too, make no mistake, they are not gone). So frankly, the professional military may be bad but as they say "You ain't seen nothin' yet." So don't be fooled. Panaceas are never what they are cracked up to be.
mjmjm
July 7th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Afghan Taliban publicly execute woman accused of adultery; men cheer
Video signals austere Islamist group rules even near Afghan capital
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48105731/ns/world_new…
mjmjm
July 7th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Khomeini fatwa 'led to killing of 30,000 in Iran'
By Christina Lamb, Diplomatic Correspondent
12:00AM GMT 04 Feb 2001
CHILDREN as young as 13 were hanged from cranes, six at a time, in a barbaric two-month purge of Iran's prisons on the direct orders of Ayatollah Khomeini, according to a new book by his former deputy.
More than 30,000 political prisoners were executed in the 1988 massacre – a far larger number than previously suspected. Secret documents smuggled out of Iran reveal that, because of the large numbers of necks to be broken, prisoners were loaded onto forklift trucks in groups of six and hanged from cranes in half-hourly intervals.
Gruesome details are contained in the memoirs of Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri, The Memoirs of Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri, one of the founders of the Islamic regime. He was once considered Khomeini's anointed successor, but was deposed for his outspokenness, and is now under house arrest in the holy city of Qom.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middlee…
mjmjm
July 7th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
July 13, 200 5iranian.comSource: Amnesty International – Australia
Persecution of members of the Mandaean Religion in Iran
The Mandaean religion is not recognised as a legal religion under Article 13 of the Iranian Constitution. Consequently they are discriminated against in all policy decisions:
In Iran, particularly severe persecution of minority religions, including executions of Mandaeans and of Baha’is, continues.
All religious minorities suffer varying degrees of officially sanctioned discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education and housing.
Recognised religious minorities are second class citizens. Non-believers and non recognised religions are deprived of any rights. http://www.iranian.com/BTW/2005/July/Mandaean/ind…
mjmjm
July 7th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
The following are examples of incidents which characterise everyday life for Mandaeans in Iran. The intensity of these acts varies and the consequences can be very severe.
“Uncleanliness”
The Mandaeans are considered unclean by Moslems, and encounter difficulties when shopping. They are not allowed to touch a Moslem or work in the food industry as they are perceived to render unclean everything they touch. A Mandaean who accidentally touches an item may be confronted with the demand to buy the entire stock as it has been rendered ‘unclean’.
http://www.iranian.com/BTW/2005/July/Mandaean/ind…
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richard vajs
July 8th, 2012 at 7:12 am
mjmjm,
There is a little truth in what you concerning the plight of the Mandaeans in Iran. It is what you don't say which is the big lie. First Mandaeans are not a large part of Iran – most of the present 10,000 or so in Iran moved to Iran from Iraq because Iraq was destroyed by the USA. Second, the Mandaeans are bullied by the Iranian Muslims because the Mandaeans insist upon not becoming a part of mainstream Iran (maintaining their own language, not joining the Iranian military, etc). Note: they get treated like undocumented immigrants get treated in Arizona or Georgia, here.
But I believe, I know why you bring up their case on this particular forum. It is the old "Israelis may be monsters, but other nationaqlities are too", pivotal manuever.
The difference, my friend, is that your taxes are not supporting monsters in Iran – my taxes do go to monsters in Israel. There are no dual passport Iranians in our State Dept or Dept of Defense urging obliteration of Israel, but there are scads of dual passport officials in America demanding destruction of Iran. So, defend Israel, …if you can, but please quit this silly game.
tuyutuyu
July 9th, 2012 at 3:51 am
http://www.iranian.com/BTW/2005/July/Mandaean/ind…
Disruption of Mandaean family life: forced marriage and sexual assault
In her most recent report to Amnesty International, Professor J.J. Buckley — an internationally recognised specialist on the Mandaean religion — has stressed that “the attempt to destroy Mandaean families is increasing, but with a particular focus on women and young girls.” The Mandaean Human Rights Committee has also documented that the Iranian authorities attempt to break up Mandaean families with a particular focus on women and children, pressuring them to convert to Islam and pressuring women to marry Moslem men. Further reports, including those produced by ASUTA (the Journal for the Study and Research into the Mandaean Culture, Religion and Language) indicate that Mandaean parents fear that their children will be kidnapped, and forcibly circumcised, converted to Islam, raped or forcibly married. Regarding the rape of Mandaean girls and women, several reports suggest that Islamic judges would hold that a Moslem male who raped a Mandaean female would be understood to have “purified” her. Accordingly, the Sabian Mandaean Association reports that Mandaean girls have been raped with impunity by Moslem men.
MvGuy
July 9th, 2012 at 6:32 am
Yeah Edmond, you might read the history of the Neocons…. How they became hawks and big advocates of the FALSE FLAG Vietnam war…….. The very idea that a small country would resist America's will… and invasion…… infuriated them……..
America Adopts the Israel Paradigm
July 9th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
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Margaret
July 10th, 2012 at 10:52 am
A bot reincarnation of mjmjm……………..very boring and has nothing to do with this article.
mojo
July 11th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
People of Middle East referring to this fact for last 60 years that US is bought by Israelis, US and England belonging to Israel the two dominating force that wants to dominate the US and its social political and economic system. England give up on the idea well into 1980s, Israel took over the English idea after that. In recent Europe, if you look closely, most of politician have Israeli citizenship in their back pocket or somehow connected to Israel, some of them having a government posts as foreign ministers and some as treasury ministers and so on. They belong to kind of political party whom are after “changing” the world and they showed their face supporting Israel and what it dose.
US is a capitalism, capitalism is after, wanting to dominate the world one way or the other, Zionism is the name of the game played by the Israeli whom are also after the world wanting to dominating it, Zionism means world domination, the word Zion means sanctuary, Zionism – world is what some see the world as their sanctuary belonging to Jewish race, so the problem is not only about Palestine or Palestinians, the problem is that Zionism is already controlling the US – England and some other Europeans social economic system, controlling that mean that they control the US and part of the Europeans governing system. Zionism cooperating with capitalism is part of the idea to controlling the US militarism as Madeline Albright was using the US "mighty army" so as Bush with Carl Rove and other Zionist when they invaded Iraq wanting to change the Iraqi flag, and when they started partitioning Yugoslavia, changing the world is part of a regime change, nation building is part of zionism idea changing system where they can rule, thats what they are doing to US and every president has been fooled by the system and started a war. Every US president have a war under his name for last 60 years, for last 60 years the Zionist been killing Palestinians stealing their land and helping US and England continue with their hegemony creating wars. Now is Obamas turn to do the same, sending Hillary Clinton to work, creating new political turmoil in Syria wanting to create "new friends" having a new military bases in Vietnam and other “old enemies”. These people never learn, because they never understood the basics in democracy and if they ever did, they never respected the principals of it. Look: democracy is open idea but that doesn’t mean that you can throw all kind of sheeet at it hoping for it to work, which is what US and EU are doing now.
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patriothere
July 12th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Exactly. It sickens me but I am only one person. What can I do. I need hundreds or thousands of people behind me to fight this scourge.
patriothere
July 12th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
If only we could do to Israel what we did to Iraq for the past 25 years. If we applied the same exact strategy to Israel, that we did to iraq, then all of our problems would be solved. Historically every nation that ultimately took up this position and occupied and neutralized israel as a threat met their demise, when the romans occupied judea they met a huge uprising and had a major refugee problem with jews subverting most of rome until it collapsed. That is something we risk when taking israel head on. The romans went to war with israel and won the battle, but the jews won the war. Can you spot rome on the map today? Nope. Can you spot israel on the map today? Yes.
Rome had a jews in high places of government and business just like America does today. Like America, Rome served the jews interests very well. Unlike America however, Rome eventually got tired of the jews and their ways and eventually sought to destroy them, America has not reached that point yet. How much more do we have to go through before we say enough is enough? How much more pain and misery do we want to bear?
Roger
July 12th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
You iranians are doing all you can.
When the nuclear weapons are finished then you can 'try' to erase Israel. But I'd think twice, their God protects them.
Roger
July 12th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
You send munitions to blow up the government and destabilize Iraq. You do the same to Israel.
So, what are you talking about? You iranians are doing the same to both.
patriothere
July 12th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons. That proves you are a troll. You have been proven wrong on the Iranian nuclear issue a million times yet you still peddle the same lie. That proves you are a troll.
patriothere
July 12th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
No, The strategy we applied to Iraq was we sanctioned the country for 10 years cutting of food supplies, humanitarian aid and caused the deaths of half a million children. Then when they were weak and vulnerable we invaded and occupied the country killing another 500,000 civilians and occupied it and put in a puppet government. That is what I'm talking about.
If we did the same to Israel, sanctions, depriving them of goods and supplies, starving them, you know, much like they to do the gazans, then they would be taken out in no time, we could then occupy the country, like we did Iraq, that way we can secure the nuclear weapons that are in dimona, and install transitionary government that represents the people living there. Not just a minority.
Roger
July 12th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
The strategy you in iran used was to provide sanctuary for moktada al sadr and training for insurgents along with munitions.
Why do you deny it?
patriothere
July 12th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
If we applied the same strategy to Israel that we applied to Iraq we would see israel neutralized as a threat and we can finally have peace. Sanctions, starving them, and then invade and occupy the area. Just like we did to Iraq. It just requires courage from our people. We need thousands of people to be on the right side of history.
Roger
July 12th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
They're working to fix that as fast as the centrifuges can spin.
Roger
July 12th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
You are applying the same strategy.
You iranians supply arms and funding to attack both countries.
patriothere
July 12th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
They're to fix the centrifuges so they can provide medical isotopes for their cancer patients.
patriothere
July 12th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
you have been peddling the same lie that nobody believes. The CIA doesn't beleive the lie, the 16 intelligence news agencies, the former head of the mossad etc.
patriothere
July 12th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Even though we are on the right side of history, it does not matter. We need to take action and have policy reflect what is right and just.
Roger
July 12th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
And the pink ponies dancing in your head may say it's true.
They don't have that many cancer patients and they don't have the medical system or the staffing to use it all.
And with the claims that your iranian president have said about erasing Israel, you aren't going to fool anyone serious.
Roger
July 12th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
And the pink ponies dancing in your head may say it's true.
They don't have that many cancer patients and they don't have the medical system or the staffing to use it all.
And with the claims that your iranian president have said about erasing Israel, you aren't going to fool anyone seriously watching events unfold.
Roger
July 12th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
And since you have now said it, that settles it? Is that it?
You're just a paid hack. You've admitted it. Do you want me to quote you again?
Roger
July 12th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Who says iran is on the right side of history?
patriothere
July 12th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Iran has a civilian nuclear program and was one of the first countries to sign the non proliferation treaty which means the safeguard agreement to not proliferate to weapons grade levels. The IAEA and the 16 agencies of the US as well as Israeli intelligence all say iran is not working on nuclear weapons. So who is telling you that Iran is working on nuclear weapons? The dancing pink ponies in your head?
patriothere
July 12th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
If policy reflects the sentiment of the American people then Israel wouldn't stand a chance and we would wipe the floor with that BANDIT state.
Roger
July 12th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
You still pretend that iran is on the right side of history.
And you pretend that the God of Israel doesn't protect them.
Roger
July 12th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
And they only want to use all that concentrated uranium for the sick cancer patients?
I have to struggle not to laugh at this point. There is only one reason they work for nuclear material concentrated enough that they have to 'cleanse' sites. And it's not peaceful reasons.
Roger
July 12th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Of course they are. But the facts I know don't speak farsi.
patriothere
July 12th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
They don't have concentrated uranium. They have LEU. Low enriched uranium. 5% – 20% That is not enough for weapons. I noticed you don't mention the IAEA or the Non proliferation treaty where Iran signed it before many other countries. Other countries enrich uranium for medical isotopes. What's the big deal?
patriothere
July 12th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
facts are not your friends.
patriothere
July 12th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Israel wont stand a chance if the american people wake up and take their country back.
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 6:44 am
The God of Israel protects it.
Against all odds, against all enemies.
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 6:45 am
You pretend that gravity didn't work until it was proven.
Are you speaking of facts like that?
Hahahahaha……
You iranian paid hacks are predictable.
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 6:45 am
And you as a paid hack are told exactly what to say.
http://occupycorporatism.com/iaea-claims-iran-mil…
patriothere
July 13th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Parchin is a military site. hence the "scrubbing"
patriothere
July 13th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
newton invented it. Before him. It wasn't a fact.
patriothere
July 13th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
We've been over this. America is not god.
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Yes, to hide the military aspects of the nuclear program.
You really aren't doing well at this you know.
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Before him it was working just fine.
You silly little muslim you.
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
We've been over this. I never claimed it was.
Is that going to be the silly monkey response you use when you have nothing more to add?
patriothere
July 13th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
You implied it. Remember when I told you that? All that redneck inbreeding must be getting to you eh?
patriothere
July 13th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Before he invented it, it was not a fact.
patriothere
July 13th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Iran is a signatory to the non proliferation treaty and is inspected by the IAEA constantly. The CIA, the 16 intelligence agencies of the US the Ex head of the mossad, the national intelligence estimate of 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 ALL say that iran only has a civilian nuclear program that is used for medical isotopes to treat cancer patients.
The have a nuclear reactor that is safeguarded by the IAEA. You know inspectors? Why don't you get your beloved Israelis to allow their REAL nuclear weapons to be inspected ? hmmm?
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Gravity has been a fact since the earth was a round mass. It did it's thing and didn't care if it was discovered or not.
You are failing with your english as a second language.
Columbus 'discovered' america. It was here before it was stumbled over.
The Wright brothers 'proved' flight was possible. They were the first in recorded history, but they used laws of physics that were there all the time.
Things don't care about humanity as much as you pretend they do.
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Then why did they have a military site with highly refined nuclear material that needed scrubbing?
Roger
July 13th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Just because you take something I never meant doesn't mean anything other than you're taking things from my comments I didn't mean.
See how that works?
patriothere
July 13th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
You implied it. You didn't literally say it but you implied it.
im·ply
[im-plahy] Show IPA
verb (used with object), im·plied, im·ply·ing.
1.
to indicate or suggest without being explicitly stated: His words implied a lack of faith.
patriothere
July 13th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
It was not a fact until newton. That is my point. What do you know about facts. You can't just call something a fact without any evidence of proof or scrutiny
a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth. – fact
patriothere
July 13th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Because it was going to be inspected by Inspectors. They're there to inspect centrifuge levels. Not military secrets. Parchin was a military site.
Roger
July 14th, 2012 at 6:52 am
So you admit they are hiding military nuclear activity.
Roger
July 14th, 2012 at 6:52 am
So, you're admitting what you've been denying all along. Iran is letting it's military develop nuclear technology.
Roger
July 14th, 2012 at 6:53 am
It was a fact from the time it functioned.
Gravity doesn't care if you approve or not.
Roger
July 14th, 2012 at 6:53 am
No, you assumed it.
I wonder if you're this boring with your herd of 'friends' back at the barnyard.
patriothere
July 14th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
No you implied it. stupid jerk.
Roger
July 14th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Nope, so that makes you the stupid jerk. But that's repeating myself. I've already explained you a hack paid troll.
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 12:20 am
Yes you did. You implied. I know what you were doing.
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 12:21 am
There is a green spaghetti monster in the atmosphere. It's a fact. Do you think that is how it works? You're an idiot.
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 12:22 am
Iran is a signatory to the NPT to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes. That is a fact. Everybody knows that. They are not in violation of that Treaty. Iran can have nuclear powered submarines, nuclear reactors, they cannot have nuclear weapons and they are not interested in them.
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 12:24 am
They have a nuclear reactor that is inspected by International inspectors. They are within the safeguard agreements of the IAEA and the NPT. Our own CIA and the Mossad says that they are not working on nuclear weapons. Israel is. Inspect THEIR sites. Inspect chinas. Inspect Pakistans.
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 12:24 am
Not like gravity.
Reality confuses you iranians, doesn't it?
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 12:24 am
Then why did they need to cleanse a military installation?
You just can't keep the lies straight.
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 12:26 am
Then why did they have to cleanse a military installation?
You are so sad, I almost feel sorry for making you look so clueless. Does you boss like paying you for such horrible comments? Or does he like his own propaganda enough he doesn't realize how badly you come off?
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 12:26 am
The quote me.
You're not the brightest bulb in the recycling bin.
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 12:27 am
They have no right to inspect their military sites. Just like they don't inspect israels or pakistas or chinas.
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 12:28 am
There is a green spaghetti monster outside your door right now. It's a fact.
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 12:28 am
The IAEA does not inspect military sites.
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 12:30 am
WHy don't you read the national intelligence estimate on Iran and see that they are not working on nuclear weapons and are only enriching uranium for medical isotopes.
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 12:31 am
You implied it.
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 12:31 am
You stupid monkey. Do you know what Imply means retard?
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 7:47 am
Then quote me.
You're still not very bright, are you?
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 7:47 am
I know you're not right, and I didn't imply it.
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 7:48 am
Then why did Iran cleanse the military site?
Because they don't want the world to realize their nuclear program isn't for cancer patients.
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 7:48 am
Why don't you quit repeating the talking points from your master?
Iran had a nuclear site cleansed that you admit was a military site. Oh, that means you're just a troll.
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 7:49 am
And Iran has the right to a nuclear program to have the means to erase Israel, is that your point?
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Do you think you can make up facts? It does explain a lot of your comments.
Of course a lie is still a lie.
But gravity worked long before people were on the scene.
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Because the IAEA does not inspect military sites. Iran is not in violation of the IAEA Or the NPT. That's the point. They are open to more inspections than any other signatory. Fact.
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
They are facts. Facts are facts and need to be proven, put under scrutiny observed, if not, then any stupid lying moron from nebraska who is fat and ugly can spew his fat ugly mouth on forums with lies and zionist talking points.
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
They have the right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes. The NPT says that. THe obama adminstration says that. The UN and the IAEA say that.
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
It's a fact. There is a green spaghetti monster that lives outside your door. I don't need to prove it. It's a fact. It was always there. That's how they are. It was before it functioned.
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
You don't know what imply means obviously. You implied it stupid.
patriothere
July 15th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
You implied it. STFU!
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
It implies you didn't understand my comment.
What a simple minded kind of muslim you are.
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Nope.
And you are so pakistani rat child.-
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
But you realise you just admitted the military had nuclear material that needed to be cleaned up. That goes against all your earlier lies about the program being for cancer patients.
You keep failing at this.
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Gravity worked before it was proven. It worked before it was observed, and even children know what to expect from it before science is taught to them.
Facts stand on their own.
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
But you said it was being processed at the cleaned military sites.
You can't keep your lies straight.
Roger
July 15th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
See, you muslims can't understand the wold around them. Unless the koran says it, it's beyond your comprehension.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 7:17 am
They don't? One child with cancer is too many. I suppose you think they are animals anyways.
http://www.unhcr.org/3fec2a9a4.html
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 7:21 am
All I can say is wow. Roger is the most hateful person I have ever seen. He hates this country.
Roger 165p • 6 minutes ago
No, you know I'm not for the things that made this country great.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 7:22 am
Funny, everyone who is not a chirstian is a muslium to you? BIGOT.
Go read you hate filled bible and take out your OT style justice on some bratty kids
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 7:32 am
And that's why the military site was scrubbed?
Wee, you just exposed your iranian sympathies.
Of all the muslim friendly trolls I've exposed here over the last 4 years, you just got added to the list.
So, how does Iran pay you to troll like patriot here?
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 7:33 am
No, just the ones that declare jihad and want to murder Christians.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 7:33 am
And yet you're the one that wanted to do this.
24 minutes ago @ Breitbart.tv – Soldier Found Guilty i… · 1 reply · +1 points
The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 7:41 am
Funny, did the ones you insulted and attack all weekend declare what you call a struggle on christians who beat a lady and burned her house down?
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 7:41 am
Sorry, I have nothing but anger for a town who beat a lady and burned her down because she was not christian
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Is that another story you don't know about from a second hand source that didn't eye witness anything?
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 7:43 am
I just showed you children in Iran have CANCER.
You just exposed you Israeli Zionist sympathies.
How much does Israel pay you to be on here?
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Well you know, Roger has been there to inspect it himself.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 7:45 am
But let's apply the test you have for people saying Jesus lived and taught what He did.
You don't have any eye witnesses, the only people making the accusations are biased and can't be taken seriously due to that bias. And there was no confirmed reports to the events.
Hence, you're a two faced bigot with serious hate issues.
And you were simply declaring jihad because that's what muslim friendly people who use the talking points about the iranian nuclear program helping the children do.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 7:46 am
No, you showed me that iran wants to play that card.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 7:46 am
And you're just scared to drive to work.
'Sticky bombs', the very thought makes you break out in a cold sweat.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 7:57 am
How much does Israel pay you to be on here?
How many kids have you strapped to a tank and used for human shields?
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 7:58 am
Kind of like the second hand sources that claim jesus was real. HYPOCRITE
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 8:00 am
I am? Your caught in a lie again. I have a very relaxing drive to work.
Even though you want to place a sticky bomb on my truck you have no idea what I drive or where I live so you are caught in another lie.
Where did you lear to make stick bombs roger? Israel?
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:04 am
Why do you care about the children?
Why not make a case for something you do care about, like can they be Jewish or Christian children.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Yes and no. It wasn't second hand, Matthew and Johnwerefirst person accounts.And Pilot in Egypt did help found the coptic Church. Do iranian muslims all ignore that?
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 8:12 am
All children. I don't care where they are from or what religion they belong too unlike you.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 8:13 am
The author of Matthew had obviously gotten his information from Mark's gospel and used them for his own needs. He fashioned his narrative to appeal to Jewish tradition and Scripture. He improved the grammar of Mark's Gospel, corrected what he felt theologically important, and heightened the miracles and magic.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Then why don't you talk about St. Josephs in Mo and how they treat children with these problems?
Why did you use an iranian propaganda piece instead? And why are you back pedaling now? Ashamed of your iranian heritage or something?
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 8:14 am
John, the last appearing Bible Gospel, presents us with long theological discourses from Jesus and could not possibly have come as literal words from a historical Jesus. The Gospel of John disagrees with events described in Mark, Matthew, and Luke. Moreover the unknown author(s) of this gospel wrote it in Greek near the end of the first century, and according to Bishop Shelby Spong, the book "carried within it a very obvious reference to the death of John Zebedee (John 21:23)."
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Not stressed at all.
Please quit posting spam
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Nope. Hegot itasafirst handwitnewss, afolloer of Christ himself.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Johnwaswroittenasaneyewitness, asheexplainsin1John.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 8:18 am
You have no proof to back up your claim about the gospels. All you have is your propaganda piece called the bible.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Of course I do. John explains he saw and heard the things he wrote about. 1John 1:3
You have nothing but postulations. And even they don't make sense. Of course two different authors writing about the same events are going to have different styles, so your attack between Matthew and Mark is meaningless. And John covering Jesus as a close friend rather than the Messiah alone is going to be different. That proves their authenticity more than disproves it.
And once again you show you're just ruled by bigotry and hate.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:22 am
It's not spam wee wee, you small little man.
You admitted to being a goat owner, having several in fact.
Since you have such a 'fondness' for goats it's not spam but a chance to reach out to the 'human' side of you personality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh4GD-nsG3A
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 8:38 am
Sorry, your christian approved talking points are not facts. Have any other sources to back up your claim about John than the bible? The bible does not count anywhere near to facts. You are blinded by hatred
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:58 am
Of course they do. Josephus for one, a Greek physician for another. And of course, the one you keep denying. Pilot as he founded the Coptic church in Egypt when he was governor there.
And your hate keeps on showing.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Please understand that the stories themselves cannot serve as examples of eyewitness accounts since they came as products of the minds of the unknown authors, and not from the characters themselves. The Gospels describe narrative stories, written almost virtually in the third person. People who wish to portray themselves as eyewitnesses will write in the first person, not in the third person. Moreover, many of the passages attributed to Jesus could only have come from the invention of its authors. For example, many of the statements of Jesus claim to have come from him while allegedly alone. If so, who heard him? It becomes even more marked when the evangelists report about what Jesus thought. To whom did Jesus confide his thoughts? Clearly, the Gospels employ techniques that fictional writers use. In any case the Gospels can only serve, at best, as hearsay, and at worst, as fictional, mythological, or falsified stories.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Why do use christian propaganda pieces?
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 9:16 am
I never denied Pilot founded the coptic church. I deny he executed a man name named jesus. We have no records of him doing so. Josephus was born 10 years after jesus was “allegedly" executed . How can he be an eye witness? Do you understand what an eye witness is?
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 9:17 am
More Spam
Ricky Michael
July 16th, 2012 at 9:21 am
The only one who worries over the gospels being heresay or not is you, I could care less. For me, all I have to do is read the teachings being taught within the gospels and know that they are from God, no matter who in fact wrote them, John or anyone else. Also, I don't require bullet proof evidence for things I take on faith. You will never ubderstand what that is like, and it will be your ultimate down fall unless you change your behavior.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Why do you call it propaganda?
http://old.usccb.org/sdwp/ejp/case/bookletfinal.p…
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Please understand that they do serve as examples of eye witness accounts. When Matthew and John were among those picking up 12 leftover baskets of fish and bread, they knew what they were talking about.
Even you can't change that.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 9:25 am
So you deny he believed in the foundational things the Coptic church was founded on, after his lifetime experiences?
You are a bigot.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 9:26 am
Why are you admitting you don't own goats and you don't 'hold them in high esteem' after all that rant last week?
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 9:36 am
"And you pretend that the God of Israel doesn't protect them"
If he does then why do rockets fired into Israel. Is that how he protects by letting innocent civilians die?
The Israeli government needs to go. God is not real and your idea of him protecting them is moronic at best
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 9:37 am
How does it feel to have a trained monkey?
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Hey dummy. You can't quote something has been implied.
What an idiot
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Hey dummy, it was never implied.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Well he does not seem to being a good job.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 9:39 am
You are a trained monkey, ask your handlers.
How is the flask holding out?
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 9:39 am
No they will not
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 9:40 am
How many thousands of civilians have those thousands of Kassams killed?
Israel stands, in spite of all the attacks on it.
So, what was your point?
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Israel stands.
And it's not your pay grade to decide what a good job is.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Israel will survive long after Obama is gone.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Looks like a catholic web site too me. Thats why
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 9:58 am
What proof do you have? What facts do you have? The bible is propaganda and can't be used as foundation for any facts whatsoever. Not only do we not know who wrote them, consider that none of the Gospels existed during the alleged life of Jesus, nor do the unknown authors make the claim to have met an earthly Jesus. Add to this that none of the original gospel manuscripts exist; we only have copies of copies. The consensus of many biblical historians put the dating of the earliest Gospel, that of Mark, at sometime after 70 C.E., and the last Gospel, John after 90 C.E.. This would make it some 40 years after the alleged crucifixion of Jesus that we have any Gospel writings that mention him!
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:00 am
The gospel of Mark describes the first written Bible gospel. And although Mark appears deceptively after the Matthew gospel, the gospel of Mark got written at least a generation before Matthew. From its own words, one can deduce that the author of Mark had neither heard Jesus nor served as his personal follower. Whoever wrote the gospel simply accepted the story of Jesus without question and wrote a crude an ungrammatical account of the popular story at the time. Historians tell us of the three Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke), Mark served as the common element between Matthew and Luke and provided the main source for both of them. Of Mark's 666* verses, some 600 appear in Matthew, some 300 in Luke.
Where are these baskets now? Do you have actual evidence pictures or something. Please tell me you have something besides the bible to show you are correct. Your bible is just as false as the koran
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:00 am
So facts from the wrong source are propaganda?
Facts are facts. Are you going to parrot another iranian muslim by saying gravity didn't exist until proven by the 'right' people?
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Quit putting words in my mouth and twisting what I say.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:01 am
You ignore Pilot in Egypt. That's the proof you can't get around. An eye witness that changed his world with the power of the Almighty.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Why do you keep posting spam
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Are you denying you owned goats and hold them high regard?
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:04 am
You don't know that and your agenda is propaganda.
You ignore what the people say in those gospels that addresses your concerns. 1 John 1:3 was John explaining he knew first hand the things he wrote about.
The words you twist and lie with, they mean nothing. You're just a hate filled bigot that attacks the God of Abraham and Isaac at any chance.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Yes it was. That is clear to everyone but you. Quit back peddling and trying to weasle your way out of it
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Thenquitusingtwitedwords!
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:06 am
You said he defended it. Defense would mean protecting it. What has done to protect it?
May pay grade goes well above a man made gods
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:06 am
and your point is what?
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:07 am
It wasn't implied, even if you're just cranky for being stuck on this website.
How are the goats doing? Any more iranian puff pieces on sick childrenfor us?
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:08 am
If he is defending them why let thousands die from these rockets moron?
If you defend something you keep it safe from attacks.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:08 am
You're not a 'reply monkey'. You're not smart enough to be a 'reply monkey'.
Do they eat less than other spider monkeys or something?
Or was it a cleric kind of thing?
Go have a beer and watch another goat video, you're just too stressed out.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:08 am
He does, it has more land under it's control now than when the UN gave it a mandate.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Try reading the comment again.
You poor little 'reply monkey'.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:10 am
You haven't shown thousands have died.
The blood thirsty muslim militants just wish they were able to kill thousands.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:14 am
See you did as you were told. I can make you do it again.
Only a trained monkey replies when told to.
REPLY MONKEY
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Really? Tell that to thousands that have died in rocket attacks. Great defense
Only a trained monkey replies when told to.
REPLY MONKEY roger
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:15 am
obama has nothing to do with this
Only a trained monkey replies when told to.
REPLY MONKEY roger
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Did you just say this?
Roger 165p · 36 minutes ago
How many thousands of civilians have those thousands of Kassams killed?
I was going off your comment moron. If you can't keep up with your own comments time to get some fresh air.
Only a trained monkey replies when told to.
REPLY MONKEY roger
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Only a trained monkey replies when told to.
REPLY MONKEY roger
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:19 am
The reply monkeyhas made a command.
Whata schmuck, you just miss those goats so much….
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:20 am
What thousands, you have that muslim al taqiyya math technique huh?
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Drinking so much mtn dew you can't even read and understand a single sentence comment?
There are meetings that can help with that.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Go back and read my comment again.
Notice it's a question?
You made two mistakes.
1) you never answered it.
2) you pushed your iranian backed, muslim friendly methods on what it meant and what the answer should be without actually answering it.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Ywan….
(scratch, scratch)…
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:25 am
I just quoted it monkey.
You are backed into a corner again. I made 0 mistakes?
Only a trained monkey replies when told to.
REPLY MONKEY roger
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Only a trained monkey replies when told to.
REPLY MONKEY roger
I love making you do what I want. Such a good monkey roger
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Yes, you just did.
And I didn't even have to command it.
What a slow learner you are.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Yes you did. Only a trained monkey replies when told to.
REPLY MONKEY
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:31 am
You can't show I'm wrong, you can't explain why a question was wrong, or that you reply was correct.
You're just a sad shadow of a nothing.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Watch this.
Only a trained monkey replies when told to.
REPLY MONKEY roger
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:31 am
You just did.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Youjust did.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Yes, you just did.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:33 am
My name is not roger.
Only a trained monkey replies when told to.
REPLY MONKEY
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Only a trained monkey replies when told to.
REPLY MONKEY roger
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:33 am
My name is not roger.
Only a trained monkey replies when told to.
REPLY MONKEY roger
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Only a trained monkey replies when told to.
REPLY MONKEY roger.
My name is not roger
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Yeppers, here you are!
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Yeppers, here you are responding on cue.
You realize cut and paste isn't cutting edge, even for a iranian friendly troll sitting at a work terminal.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Yes, you must be trained pretty well to hang in there beyond all credibility.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Only a trained monkey replies when told to.
REPLY MONKEY
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Are you saying my name is roger russel the trained monkey?
Only a trained monkey replies when told to.
REPLY MONKEY
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:44 am
My name is not roger russel the trained monkey.
Only a trained monkey replies when told to.
REPLY MONKEY
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Roger russel my trained monkey.
Watch this.
Reply monkey roger
Ricky Michael
July 16th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Proof is not required. Matt, Mark and Luke were all penned before John. John may have been the last book written, even after Revelation, according to what view of Revelation you take. The "Historical" View otherwise called the AD 70 View would place Revelation being written around AD 67. Where as the Millenial Views, would take a postion of a much later date, somewhere around AD 90. Both views, are generally regarded as literally taken interpetations of Revelation, AD 70, the destruction of Jerusalem and Millenial, the future 1000 year reign. There are 3 millenial views (Pre, A, & Post). Also, there are others as well including that I believe suits the literature best the way it is written. It involves a combination of the AD 70 and millenial views, and recognizes the figurative (Apocaliptic) language. This is the perterist view. It was written especially to the early churches, with an emphasis on the Jerusalem church being warned of the Roman destruction that was coming. Later in the book, it describes the last days of earth with Christ returns.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Of course it is. The author of Luke admits himself as an interpreter of earlier material and not an eyewitness (Luke 1:1-4). Many scholars think the author of Luke lived as a gentile, or at the very least, a Hellenized Jew. Many modern scholars think that the Gospel of Matthew and Luke came from the Mark gospel and a hypothetical document called "Q" .(German Quelle, which means "source") However, since we have no manuscript from Q, no one could possibly determine its author or where or how he got his information or the date of its authorship. Moreover, some scholars challenge its existence and those who do think that Q existed have problems explaining it. Again we get faced with unreliable methodology and obscure sources.
Ricky Michael
July 16th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Both Luke and John Mark would have been old enough to have personally witnessed the death of Christ. But, they were primarily involved with the ministry of Paul. Whether they were "eye" witnesses or not does not amount to a hill of beans. Both were contemporaries around the time of the aspostles, and, they were both inspired, which means they wrote what the H.S. told them. Doesn't matter one bit when they wrote it. If God chose to inspire me, and tell me what to write, that would be enough too. Thank goodness I don't have too worry about that. The Biblical inspiration ceased around AD 90.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
The coptics don't even believe he is a saint.
http://www.coptichymns.net/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-8…
Of course no roman records record him execuiting a man named jesus
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
You don't know what imply means HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
You implied that America is god.
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
He's such a moron. I mean this is just one example of literally hundreds where he PROVES himself to be a persistent ugly troll.
He is just stuck on talking points. Zionist talking points.
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Yes it was. You don't know what the word imply means anyway!
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
How would you know if it was implied or not when you proved that you don't know what the word means?
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
You implied it. You just don't know what the word means.
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Where was this make believe god in treblinka?
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Did you die from the irony when you typed that?
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
The editing and formation of the Bible came from members of the early Christian Church. Since the fathers of the Church possessed the scriptoria and determined what would appear in the Bible, there occurred plenty of opportunity and motive to change, modify, or create texts that might bolster the position of the Church or the members of the Church themselves.
The orthodox Church also fought against competing Christian cults. Irenaeus, who determined the inclusion of the four (now canonical) gospels, wrote his infamous book, "Against the Heresies." According to Romer, "Irenaeus' great book not only became the yardstick of major heresies and their refutations, the starting-point of later inquisitions, but simply by saying what Christianity was not it also, in a curious inverted way, became a definition of the orthodox faith."] If a Jesus did exist, perhaps eyewitness writings got burnt along with them because of their heretical nature. We will never know.
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
It's a fact. I don't have to prove it. There is a green spaghetti monster outside your window. That's a fact.
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
So you would let your daughte— Oh wait, I was gonna say would you let your daughter marry a muslim but then I realize that you have to have sex and be attracted to women to have kids So obviously you will never have kids.
You're a ticking time bomb. Somebody should make a website counting down the days until roger kills himself. He has nothing but this forum.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Yes facts are facts. It is too bad you don't agree with them and come off look like a paid israeli rat child troll
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
spoken like a true fundamentalist terrorist. You have been reported.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
I wonder if he even realizes how stipud he looks when I say this and he replies every time?
Only a trained monkey replies when told to.
REPLY MONKEY roger
I mean if someone said that to me I would not reply to their comment………….unless I was a trained monkey
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
We could not get that lucky. I am hoping someday soon his hatred consumes him and he dies from a massive heart attack. The world would be better off
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Yep, I have been reporting him as well. It would be nice to have a place to debate issues without him hiding in the corner waiting to spew his lies and bigotry every chance he gets.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Do you have another source besides the bible to back up that verse?
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
So in other words if I wanted to say god inspired me to write a gospel in this day at this very momnet and I wrote one it could be added to the bible? Anyone can say they were inspired and what better way to control the masses then to do so? Even if the texts supported the notion that the apostles wrote them, consider the low life expectancy of humans in the first century. According to the religious scholar, J.D. Crossan, "the life expectancy of Jewish males in the Jewish state was then twenty-nine years." [Crossan] Some people think this age appears deceptive because of the high infant mortally rates at birth. However, at birth the inhabitants of the Roman Empire had an even lower life expectancy of around twenty-five years. [source] According to Ulpian, a Roman jurist of the early third century C.E., the average life expectancy at birth came even lower to around twenty-one. [Potter] Of course these ages represent averages and some people lived after the age of 30, but how many? According to the historian Richard Carrier: "We have reason to believe that only 4% of the population at any given time was over 50 years old; over age 70, less than 2%.
Eyes_Open
July 16th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Anyone's claim of being "inspired" to write a gospel has the same level of veracity. Why then are some accepted and others rejected? Political expediency, power, domination. But there has never been one iota of evidence that any "inspired" writing actually was inspired by a god and not a mans vanity. The argument of "inspired" writings holds less water than a colander.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
And that is under normal circumstances. But the Gospels were written after two very devastating abnormal events: the Jewish War and the Neronian Persecution, both of which would have, combined, greatly reduced the life expectancy of exactly those people who were eye-witnesses to the teachings of Jesus. And it just so happens that these sorts of people are curiously missing from the historical record precisely when the Gospels began to be circulated." [Carrier] Even if they lived to those unlikely ages, consider the mental and physical toll (especially during the 1st century) which would have likely reduced their memory and capability to write. Moreover, those small percentages of people who lived past 50 years were usually wealthy people (aristocrats, politicians, land and slave owners, etc.). However, the Gospels suggest that the followers of Jesus lived poorly, and this would further reduce the chances for a long life span.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Although the New Testament does not provide the ages of the disciples, most Christians think their ages came to around 20-30 years old. Jesus' birth would have to have occurred before Herod's death at 4 B.C.E. So if Jesus' birth occurred in the year 4 B.C.E., that would put the age of the disciples, at the time of the writing of the first gospel, at around age 60-70 and the last gospel at around age 90-100! Based on just life expectancies alone, that would make the probability unlikely they lived during the writing of the first gospel, and extremely unlikely any of them lived during the writing of the last gospel
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Oh the sad thing is he does have kids. I feel sorry for them.
Ricky Michael
July 16th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
You might have a case if it were not for the matching text discovered in the Dead Sea scrolls that match the Old Testament compiled within the 3rd to 1st century BC Septuagint which was written in Greek.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
I am wondering why you think you can post on this web site
Ricky Michael
July 16th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Meer speculation on your part. Never assume anything about things you can't prove, like how old people live.
Ricky Michael
July 16th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Opinion.
Ricky Michael
July 16th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
So what. God rules over who dies and when. Suppose you should complain about Adam living 900 plus years now.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
and there lies the problem. All religions say the same thing. Musliums don't need any other source than the koran more examples here :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_text
They all believe as strongly as you do in their religion and all they need is that book to tell them so. This is why religion is so absurd to me and brings the old question back up what makes your religion real and all others fake?
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
The pure fact that the Dead Sea Scrolls don’t mention Jesus should debunk the theory that Jesus was himself and Essene. There are a handful of scrolls written after the life of Jesus, and it would seem that if Jesus was such a significant religious leader of the group that they would have written about him
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
I know I can't prove it and it is speculation. Which is enough to make me question your religion. We have 0 evidence that any of the things in the bible happened because of divine influence.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Suppose you were an omnipotent god, and you demand worship, such as the Christian God. Would you give proof of your existence to those who wished to follow you? I imagine for Jehovah that it would be quite simple to perform a continual sequence of verifiable miracles. It would be quite logical in practice too, for it would keep God’s followers from delusion and doubt. There is no such luck with Jehovah though. He demands absolute fidelity without any demonstration of his existence. The only so called record of his existence is the bible. I think it pretty much goes with out saying that not only is the bible 2,000 years out dated, but it is also very unoriginal. Any Christian who proposes that the bible is indeed evidence for God’s existence is proposing a double standard. For there are many books which claim to be actual accounts of a higher power. With this in mind, why not believe in allah from the koran? Could it be because your faith is what determines your belief and not your so called “factual” book?
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Faith has also been proven through out history, time and again, that it is equivalent to massive hysteria; IE: Crusades, Burning Times, Inquisitions, Holy Wars, etc. On a grand scale faith, thus far, has only proven to be an intellectual weakness, and a significant barrier to scientific and moral progress. With all of this in mind, how can God possibly expect us to view faith as the greatest way to glorify him, let alone demand this of us?
Most importantly, the point to remember here is that if we don’t believe in him, we go to Hell, and this is a greater evil than a lack of the “virtue” of faith or a stunting of science, or anything else conceivable. If God is truly concerned about the good, he will do what he can to keep us from Hell, and withholding vital information from us is the exact opposite of this.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
You can't prove that he lived for over 900 years
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Agreed
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
I could not get it all to fit in one reply………………sorry
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
This is what all the other religions say. You have to remember they beileve in their gods just as strongly as you do in yours.
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”
Stephen Roberts
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I leave this with you since you are one the few intelligent Christians I know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDHJ4ztnldQ
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I leave this with you since you are one the few intelligent Christians I know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDHJ4ztnldQ
Ricky Michael
July 16th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
hahaha, don't need to. since when do I care about proving anything. Even if one came back from the dead to talk to you. you would not believe. he did and you don't. nuf said.
yeah, you are a pretty smart atheist, too. Probly too smart for your own good.
WTE
July 16th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
If I am going to devout my life and drop to me knees and worship something I can't have a shred of doubt that that being is real. With the thousands of gods man has wrote about that is enough to make me doubt your religion as much as you doiubt the rest of them.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
What's wrong, that puff piece this morning revealed your iranian leanings?
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
the problem is you both support iran and if you ask neda she'll tell you who is the one supporting terror.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
I turn my back for a little while and you revert to a bigot attacking my religion for something it doesn't teach and doesn't require.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Great video, it has one problem. It blames all evil on God and God isn't the one that laughs as we suffer.
The story of Job explains that.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Pilate is a patron saint of the coptic church.
You haven't shown him as anything else.
My, the hate is strong in you today.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Can you show the criteria for acceptance has kept any vital information away from believers?
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
They were written before the Jewish war.
You keep dating them as later than they were.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
You speculate against a religion you hate and act as if it's any surprise that your mental wanderings lead you to a particular guess on things?
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
The entire premise of your rant is wrong. God doesn't demand worship.
But if you refuse there are consequences for that choice.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Multi part rants wee? You small little man, you must be frustrated.
Didn't you meet your quota for comments today?
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
The pure fact that they were buried by zealots who stuck to the jewish faith explains why they had the old testament scriptures only.
You are simply fishing for reasons to attack a faith for the most logical of things.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
My family has more sense than that.
Why would anyone sensible want to?
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
the two iranian friends both parallel profiling. How loyal you both are.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Do you have any Christian neighbors? I feel sorry for them.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
I am wondering why you think you make any sense when you post on any website.
What insult against Christianity are you going to make up next? That the Bible never mentions a/c so it wants us to be hot all the time? How a God that wants us to be hot isn't loving?
There just isn't any sense to most of the things you pretend are important.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Nope. What is more than just implied is that you can't figure out English as a second language.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Nope. Still on that rant? STill msmarting becuase you were whalloped with thatgracvitything?
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
No, actually it wasn't. And it was never implied. Quote me. That implies you're just a liar.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Did the clerics have you two work together today? I know wee hasn't been holding up his end of the propaganda lately. Did they have to call in help for him?
That drinkingproblem, there are meetings that can help with that.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
And you keep lying about that. It was not implied, you were just tired as a rented mouth.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Yet yourepliedonque.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
yet you replied on cue.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Did you dance up and down as you said that? If you want to behave like a well trained 'reply monkey' you better get it right.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Well neither of you have any credibility. One the iranian hack paid troll, and the other the one that uses iranian puff pieces about children and the nuclear program?
You can't get lower than that.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
The place He was for the man named Job.
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Parchin is a military site. The IAEA has no basis inspecting another countries military sites. They will inspect the site and see that it is much ado about nothing. Just like in 2010 when Obama made a big deal about the nuclear facility that was just a hole in the ground when El-baredei later inspected it.
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
You realize that Iran has nuclear powered submarines? That doesn't meant they have nuclear weapons. Nuclear is a form of energy.
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
It wasn't a fact until newton invented the laws and proved it. Facts require proof.
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
No I did not. I said Iran has a nuclear reactor at natanz. They have nuclear reactors and are not in violation of the IAEA or the NPT and the NIE still says that Iran has a peaceful civilian nuclear program.
They are not military sites anymore. parchin was a military site. Now it is a research facility. The US has no right to intrude on Irans sovereignty.
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
I have been effective in getting him banned from other forums.
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
The problem is you support israel and if you ask any human being with a soul they'll tell you who is the one supporting terror.
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
He doesn't have kids. He has nobody. He's a loser with no prospects.
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
You don't know what facts are.
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
You don't know what imply means lol!
You implied that America is god.
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
you don't know what imply means.
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Yes it was. You don't know what the word means.
You prove you don't know what the word means.
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
You implied it. How would you know? You don't even know what the word means. You implied that america is god.
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
He's a ticking time bomb. I mean, look at him. Look how miserable he is. Look how ugly he is. Look how fat. You can see it in the eyes that he is dead inside but doesn't have the courage to blow his brains out.
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Now you're just being silly.
patriothere
July 16th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
I'm glad that I don't beleive in a stupid god like that, that tortures and murders and enslaves and murders first born children and spreads plagues to innocence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxSGPEDX2lQ
Ricky Michael
July 16th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Dead Sea scroll pre-date jesus. they were an OT docs. These were moved into the caves to protect them from the Romans who would destory Jerusalem. When Jesus taught from the scriptures, which scriptures do you think he used? Humm?
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
So you admit that the military is working on nuclear material instead of it just being a humanitarian medical issue.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
I realize they say they want them, because then they have an excuse to keep those centrifuges going until they have high grade material that is also used on bombs.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
It was a fact since the globe was formed. Gravity doesn't care if people notice it. It just does what it does like all facts.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
So you admit that military sites were working on nuclear material.
Thank you, that about does it. You're finished. Do you realize how much PR work Iran has been doing to deny just that point and you blew it?
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
It's not a problem for normal people to support anyone who values life. That would reject suicide vests and jihad.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
You and about 6 other trolls combined, can you get them all back together this time and convince a Jewish man that he wants to listen to muslim trolls ban someone that defends the value of life on his site?
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Yeppers, not so crazy about meeting his wife…..
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Only because the two of you refuse to accept any book written over a thousand year time period that sticks together on a theme of God working with fallen man might be actually a work of that God.
You would rather defend your position that evolution that can't be proven and there are no records of just managed to evolve primordial ooze into you.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
You can't win any argument based on your handler's muslim tactics so you attack me. It's a sign of weakness you know.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Says the muslim troll (paid hack) that thinks gravity didn't exist before Newton?
Hahahahahaha……
You are making this way to easy.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
I do.
And my comment didn't imply it.You can't evenb qyuote the commentbecause you knowso.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
It means what it means.
ButI didnt' iumply it,and you are justtrying tocover for stupidity.
Quote the commentand let everyone else see howclueless you are.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
I implied nothing. If I hhad wanted to, I could have easily.
quote me and let eveyrone else have a laugh atyour expense.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Nope, you two are. One a paid hack and the other a hate filled bigot who likes to advocate violence.
You both have an agenda, and it's a surah 9 kind of agenda.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Are you really referring to your cleric?
With the lousy work you both are doing here, I can see why your boss is so upset.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
You believe in allah, how did you just put it?
"…a stupid god like that, that tortures and murders and enslaves and murders first born children and spreads plagues to innocence."
Of course as a fake god allah can't spread plagues.
Roger
July 16th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
You must work out of a nice educated mosque. Most muslim friendly trolls couldn't string that many words together.
Eyes_Open
July 17th, 2012 at 3:00 am
Not true, I completely accept the books written on Olympian Gods and Heroes. The are as accurate, and have just as much historical truth and reliance as any other myth, including the Christian myths and the Hebrew myths.
Eyes_Open
July 17th, 2012 at 3:08 am
Sure, hundreds of "gospels" were rejected from placement in "official" Christian text (bible). Some were different versions of the ones that did get in and some were tossed out all together. The ones that typically didn't make it in share one particular theme, either they were from a woman's view point or they showed women in a leadership roll. Being that the counsel of canon was all male in a male dominated society, this leads to the conclusion that it was done for both political and domination purposes. Making the Bible one of the oldest surviving political propaganda text.
Eyes_Open
July 17th, 2012 at 3:09 am
Can you show that the criteria was without bias, and kept not vital information away from true believers?
Eyes_Open
July 17th, 2012 at 3:22 am
It isn't totally speculation, there is historical records of human longevity going back to almost 5000 B.C.E. In the time around 0 to 100 C.E. that average life span was 45 years, with almost none living past 70 years.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 5:26 am
It's only a a matter of time. I will say he is the satanic troll king
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 5:27 am
Pretty sure I can do what I want. I mean I can even command you to reply.
Reply MONKEY ROGER RUSSEL
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 5:29 am
Isaiah 45:71
I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things
Pretty clear to me moron
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 5:30 am
I just showed the coptics don't believe he is a saint, it came straight from their web site Monkey
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 5:31 am
Micro-Evolution HAS been PROVEN.
You are sttill part Monkey and proof of the missing link
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 5:32 am
Like the Book of Judas, that would destroy their religion if they used it.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 5:33 am
Really? Worship me or go to hell.
Seems demanding to anyone with a brain
Eyes_Open
July 17th, 2012 at 5:33 am
Are these the people we are supporting now?
http://www.africanglobe.net/africa/israel-begins-…
Ricky Michael
July 17th, 2012 at 5:34 am
The Septuagint was a Ancient Greek "translation" of the Hewbrew text. A comparison between the Septuagint and the scrolls is a match.
The group that wrote about Jesus were called "Christians." The Essenes would have had no interest in Jesus and would have sided with the other jews against him.
Eyes_Open
July 17th, 2012 at 5:35 am
Yeah, Israel is a great place.
http://www.africanglobe.net/africa/israel-begins-…
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/gaza-chri…
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 5:39 am
So what does that prove?
Nothing really
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 5:40 am
Sure do. The rest of family is christian as well.
Thet are real christians noot pretend ones like you
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 5:41 am
No they don't. Not if they are satan worshipping fools like you
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 5:41 am
SWo you admit your weak. I mean this is what you do all day
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 5:44 am
Pleas show one post of yours that makes sense. You are not soem messenger for god. You are a satanist you worship the devil and the devil comes in many forms but just looking into your dead ugly eyes and that brutally ugly mug of yours tells how hateful you are
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 5:46 am
LEts face it Monkey. You're not even a challenge anymore. YOu are very boring and your satanist propaganda holds no water.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 5:47 am
Monkey you are stressed out. Go smoke some more crack
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 5:49 am
What makes you think you have any credibility? A POS liar who worships satan like yourself has none
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 5:50 am
You have an agenda. It's to kill anyone who is not a satanist like yourself.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 5:51 am
Well because he is a coward. You woiuld think someone as worthless as him who believes in his god soooo much would want to meet him right away. No one would miss him if he ate a bullet. I would laugh
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 5:52 am
All gods are fake. You have not shown otherwise
Ricky Michael
July 17th, 2012 at 5:53 am
Doesn't matter. The time line through the Bible places it about 10,000 yrs. However, time is irrelavant when it pertains to God. He is beyond time. It could have been billions of years and just as valid. What do you think the name "I Am" signifys?
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 5:54 am
http://encyclopediaegypt.com/israel/j0265.htm
Ricky Michael
July 17th, 2012 at 5:57 am
It established the coming of the Christ. The theme of the OT was the God would send his son, through whom, all nations would be blessed.
It also shows that we are using the correct documentation for this.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 5:58 am
According to who? Thast the things christians keep re translating the bible to fit their aganda. Evil means Evil. If god is the creator he had to create evil.
Eyes_Open
July 17th, 2012 at 6:04 am
First, "What do you think the name "I Am" signifys?"
The inability to complete a sentence.
Second, WHAT? what does the time line of the bible have to do with the historical record of the populations median age 2000 years ago?
Ricky Michael
July 17th, 2012 at 6:06 am
Read this and it changes nothing I don't already know. The majority of the scrolls pre-date Christ, some hundreds of years. They constantly had to re-copy them to perserve them.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 6:07 am
Most things that have been re-copied throughout the years have been changed to fit the agenda of the church.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 6:09 am
I guess what I shoudl have said is how can you prove jesus taught from the scriptures. You have to prove he was real first, and if he taught from OT scriptures why would there be a NT? And if all nations would be blessed why are people starving in third world countries?
Ricky Michael
July 17th, 2012 at 6:09 am
That wasn't very nice.
And I guess that I know how to do something Bibically you do not.
Have a nice day.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 6:15 am
From its original text it was probably just copied not translated. Its original text no longer exists. Even today's translation from the oldest test available are in disagreement with each other.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 6:15 am
its like a bad game of telephone.
especially since there are clear cut language distinctions as well
Eyes_Open
July 17th, 2012 at 6:17 am
I don't do anything "Biblically" nor do I do anything "Through the Looking Glass"
So I guess you have me there, lol.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 6:48 am
You can't deny that they value life, that they reject suicide vests.
Why would they allow illegal immigrants to ruin their standard of life? Does Saudi Arabia allow Jews to immigrate?
And why are you now defending a monotheism as being holy, (islam)
3 hours ago @ Frontpage Magazine – The Danger in Dealing … · 1 reply · +1 points
"An unbiased reading of the islams unholy scriptures"
That shows quite a bias.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 6:48 am
This from the guy who declares jihad?
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 6:49 am
Because I don't believe I'm wrong.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_bibl.htm/
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 6:49 am
Oh look, the reply monkey is back. Did you bring an extra full flask to your work terminal this morning?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 6:49 am
Back to multi-part rants again?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 6:50 am
You think that a bad point given in dribs and drabs makes more sense?
You who reject intelligent design think that primordial ooze can be evolved into something more intelligent?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 6:54 am
No, you didn't.
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.p…
You had a site with someone not an expert not sure of himself.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 6:54 am
You silly pagan you.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 6:55 am
Adaptation is designed by intelligent design.
That's not primordial ooze changing into something like you.
And besides, (if I wanted to use your tactics) I could say that evolution by experts places is too early and can't be taken seriously. there are no witnesses and those that write about it are biased and can't' be taken seriously.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 6:56 am
You didn't answer my question.
Can you show that those not up to the standards of the ones included, what did they have that we need? What information did they not allow into the Bible that would lead you to believe Christianity?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 6:57 am
You would accept Christianity and the information that pretends to be from Judas (who was dead and didn't write it) that would have led you to believe?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 6:58 am
Do you know what that criteria was?
How can you condemn the criteria without knowing what it is?
You and wee are so locked at the hips lately, has his handler realized he can't do well by himself?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 6:59 am
Nope, sounds like you have a free choice.
And you would probably be miserable if you were forced to live in heaven with God anyplace nearby.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 6:59 am
You silly pagans.
You deny the existence of God. He (God) knew there were people such as yourself. His name "I AM" signifies He does exist.
That first step admitting His existence, is what it is. When you get to that point then His other names make more sense.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 7:03 am
You don't realize how lame that question is.
You won't even admit Jesus existed now you're saying that He taught from the OT when there is a record of Him standing in His home town meeting and reading from Isaiah, one of the scrolls found in the dead sea scroll cache.
All you have is hate.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 7:03 am
And the dead sea scrolls prove you wrong.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 7:04 am
Whydo you support islamso much then?
You better make up a better lie thatthatone.Or will you just have more muslimfriendly trollsfollowyou around covering for you?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 7:05 am
Andyoudosoat aworkterminal.
Eyes_Open
July 17th, 2012 at 7:05 am
Neither article had anything to do with suicide vest, there you go again, trying to inject your prejudice into the issue.
The immigrants in the article aren't illegal, they are there legally, some are naturalized citizens. But because they won't convert from Christians to Jewish, and they are poor and black, they are being rounded up. The government itself has stated that the measure is to "purify" the Jewish hold on Israel. Sound familiar? Like the Aryan race purifying Europe?
And the Gaza Christians protesting because some one CHOSE to convert to a different religion. Demanding the government stop people from converting. And these are the people that are being called the "good" guys?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 7:05 am
Where are all your muslim friendly troll friends? You're doing so badly they are showing up to help you lately.
How does it feel to know you can't eventroll by yourself?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 7:06 am
How about the posts after you made this one?
24 minutes ago @ Breitbart.tv – Soldier Found Guilty i… · 1 reply · +1 points
"The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO"
You make this way to easy.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 7:08 am
My comment was about suicide vests as an example that Jews in Israel value life.
You went off on another tangent. I went back to my point. That bothers you. So what?
And why shouldn't Israel be able to control it's borders?
You need your cleric to write better talking points.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 7:10 am
You won't admit to anything other than your hate.
Eyes_Open
July 17th, 2012 at 7:15 am
They showed that women are equal to men, but that wouldn't fit into the world that you want to be a part of.
Eyes_Open
July 17th, 2012 at 7:16 am
Do you? Enlighten me.
"Oh, god told me this is the right one…." BS
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 7:18 am
What evangelical church treats women the way islam does?
You are just a shill. Why did you show up here, afraid wee was getting toyed with too much?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 7:19 am
So much hate, you are consistent.
So,howard the goats this morning?
Eyes_Open
July 17th, 2012 at 7:20 am
It did control it's borders, better than we do. Israel let them in, now the new regime wants to purify Israel so they are kicking them out.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 7:20 am
Do you manage to fit that in with the small flask? No wonder you are so whacked out with hate.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 7:21 am
That's what muslims say about all unbelievers, isn't it?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 7:21 am
Saying it doesn't make it true. Did the goats even believe that one? The clerics must be frantic to find new talking points for you.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 7:23 am
A coward? That's a new talking point.
Did they send over new material for you to use at your work terminal today? Was the last couple of weeks hard on this profile? You admitting you had goats that you 'cherish' and that were stolen? And admitting so many other things like the way yesterday you used that puff piece about iran children and nuclear medicine?
You just keep slipping wee wee, you small little man you.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 7:24 am
I have used the illustration of 'intelligent design' to show there is an intelligence powerful enough to put everything into place as a mature system.
You have not shown otherwise.
That make you just the hate filled bigot still. What parallel profiles will you use to come to your defense this time?
Coward.
Eyes_Open
July 17th, 2012 at 7:25 am
Your bible is very specific about women not being equal, and that they shouldn't be allowed to talk in the church.
What's the matter, afraid of a debate. What am I saying, of course you are. You can't debate, you only use name calling like a child. Go back to playing in your sand box.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 7:27 am
Facts don't back you up.
http://www.rt.com/news/israel-closes-door-to-afri…
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 7:38 am
My bible is very specific.
Ephesians 5:25. We are to love them as Christ loved the church, which was enough to die for it.
You just hate Christianity from a muslim standpoint.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 7:40 am
So you admit you have been ripping on something you don't know a thing about?
How big of you. But it shows you're just a biased bigot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nic…
Eyes_Open
July 17th, 2012 at 9:10 am
1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
You just like to lie, from a Christian stand point. Just keep ignoring commandment 9, it's not like anything is going to happen to you for it anyway.
Eyes_Open
July 17th, 2012 at 9:13 am
You have just shown your ignorance in spades. You rely on Wikipedia for your religious knowledge, no wonder you are so messed up. LOL
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 9:42 am
And how does that compare with islam that teaches you must beat your wives?
In my church the woman are indispensable, even when not giving a sermon.
You don't know enough to discuss this intelligently. Much like the other things you keep bringing up.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 9:42 am
I was dumbing down to your level.
And you're just cranky because you were proven wrong by wiki.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 9:52 am
No. You inferred that. The IAEA wants to inspect a military site. They are open to inspections so they can have illegal sanctions removed.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Parchin is a military site. They have no right to inspect a military site and Iran does not have highly enriched uranium. much ado about nothing.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 9:56 am
No they don't want them. You are hearing voices. No where have they said they want them. In fact, the FACTS are that the Ayatollah declared a fatwa against ALL nuclear weapons.
Keep putting your foot in your mouth.
You are so wrong on everything. They have centrifuges spinning to enrich uranium to 20% They cannot go beyond that because they are inspected by the IAEA and are signatories to the NPT. They can't have high grade material because they are under inspections. The centrifuges are enriching uranium but only to 20%
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 9:58 am
It was not a fact until it was proven and observed. Just like that green spaghetti monster outside your door. He's not a fact until he is observed.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Parchin is a military site and is not using nuclear material.
read the National Intelligence Estimate.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Facts don't have leanings. Facts are facts.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:01 am
They don't value the life of the palestinians, or the Iranians, or the Egyptians, or the Syrians, or the Iraqis, or the Americans, or anybody else who is not submitting to their evil conspiracy of world domination.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Wow, I love how he twists words to suit his satanic agenda
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Um did you read you link?
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:06 am
This from the guy who declares satan as his savior
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Thanks for following orders Reply Monkey Roger Russel
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Back to derailing the conversation again?
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:10 am
You think we came from mud and we are from adam and eve which means you think incest is ok.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:10 am
"The Israeli parliament is also fueling anti-African rhetoric. Parliamentarians in the Knesset do not hesitate to label Africans “cancer” and the “AIDS to Israeli people”."
How can you say that this is not a racist measure and not an attempt by the racist zionist regime to "purify" the Nation.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:11 am
My site is more crediable than yours
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Who's jewish? You?
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:12 am
You stupid satanist you
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:14 am
"Adaptation is designed by intelligent design."
Chapter and verse in the bible please
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:15 am
I've only won every argument I've ever had against you. I school you.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:16 am
facts require proof
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:16 am
wiki? Really?
That is funny.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:17 am
no you don't. You implied america is god.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:19 am
If I were to hold a gun to your head and say “you have free will to not give me your wallet, but if you attempt to defy me I will kill you.” Does it really feel as if you have a choice in the matter? Of course not. Free means to give or receive something with out an expectation of return. The whole free will concept is self defeating.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:19 am
See you are a joke. You just proved to me and the world that you don't understand what hte word means. You are stupid. Beyond stupid. You are a troll. You are either a troll or you are stupid. You don't know what the word imply menas based on your actions and what you say and your replies. You implied that America is god. Deal with it.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:20 am
You are so stupid. You implied it.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:20 am
It signifies he does exist?
Great set of facts there Monkey Boy
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:21 am
What records? I want to see orginal.
You realize how lame your comment is right Monkey Boy?
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:22 am
No they don't
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:22 am
I'm just glad I don't have a god that tortures and murders and slaughters and hates all enemies of the hebrews.
I'm glad I have a loving and just god who is the image of me.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Well now hold on, satanists are pagans. Satan is actually the god of the gentiles. That is why the jewish religions defame him so.
Roger is evil and a troll and a miserable fat sack of excrement, but satan means adversary in hebrew.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Did you die of irony wen you typed that?
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:26 am
You're the fat sack of excrement. Waste of life and space. Fat loser.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:26 am
I do not believe in the reality of God, except as a psychological phenomenon, but if I did believe I would not worship that horror. It violates my morality to worship a hypocritical, judgmental, self righteous murderer. In punishment, it could send me to the hell it’s made for those it dislikes, and if there was no other choice but worshiping it, I would walk in proudly.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:27 am
You failed to address my point. Military use is intended for this, not medicine as Iran keeps saying.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:27 am
That's what I've been saying. He's a coward. He doesn't have the balls to squeeze the trigger. God doesn't want him. He's to rot here on earth when Armageddon comes.
He hasn't got the guts to off himself.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Of course it had something to do with the nuclear program, that's why it was cleansed of radioactive material.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:28 am
You just got done saying Iran had nuclear submarines, and I corrected you that they just recently made the claim they would develop them.
You poor rented mouth you.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:29 am
It has been a fact since the first tug of gravity came into effect.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:30 am
You as a muslim friendly troll sure do blame all infidels for satan's agenda.
Yet, it's you that stone rape victims as a system of life.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:30 am
I beleive in god. But not an evil diabolical genocidal, fratricidal, racist, monster like jehova or yahweh, or any other death cult. Christianity is a messianic apocalyptic death cult. It's to be expected when you find out the first christians were jews.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:30 am
I did, and they said that Iran's military cleansed it of nuclear material, so why not just admit that Iran has a nuclear program with heavy involvement by the military?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Yes, even gravity.
And the facts are that iran doesn't care about the people, as long as the clerics get their new nuclear playtoy to erase Israel.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:31 am
The god that I believe in is real. The christian god is fake though. The jewish god, totally fake. The muslim god is the same as the christian god. That's a fact. I believe in god wee. I'm not gonna let the jews soil or ruin my spirituality. They can't soil something as loving and beautiful as god.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Yes, and it explains that most of the african immigrants were illegal.
Yawn, you wee wee make this so easy for me.
Did the goats keep you up late last night?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:32 am
And as illegal immigrants why should Israel allow the problems that they bring uninvited?
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Intelligent design is bunk. It has been debunked. Evolution is a fact and has not been disproven. ID has been disproven. You are being dishonest.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Of course they do, they don't launch thousands of kassams at civilian population centers.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:33 am
If I were Jewish I would proudly say so.
I'm not. And you are still a rented mouth/paid hack troll.
6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:34 am
You did that?
That explains a lot, like the drive for violence and muslim leanings.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:35 am
The reply monkey thinks he can pretend not to be a trained monkey.
How cute.
No other new insults from your work terminal as a paid hack?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Back to the hate filled bigot again?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:36 am
I think I'm the product of intelligent design.
Not primordial ooze.
You think jihad is ok, so who's the sick twisted freak?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:37 am
See, there you go again. The hate filled bigotry. Where in Christ's teachings was any of that mentioned or advocated?
You simply have a hate on for any of the Almighty's followers.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:38 am
So third grade wee wee.
Nope, your site isn't more credible and it doesn't say what you pretend it says.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:38 am
This from the muslim friendly troll that is a hate filled bigot.
Do you call all infidels that?
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:39 am
When have I ever stoned a rape victim? Oh thats right never.
It's you as satanist giving christianity a bad name
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:39 am
They decimated lebanon in 2006, they committed genocide against gaza in 2009 they have warred against egypt and syria and iraq and Iran murdering their scientists , they have committed crimes against humanity and all you have are weak zionist talking points.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:39 am
I dont' need to, science and observation prove it.
But not evolution from primordial ooze to man.
You still lose. Do you have a verse and chapter in the koran for making demands like that? Well mr reply monkey?
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:40 am
So who's jewish?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:40 am
I notice neither of you know the criteria or can dispute the methods that were actually used.
That's not funny. It's just what I expect from a hate filled pair of bigots.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Thankfully I would have free will to kick your ass and use the gun to beat you halfway into next week.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:42 am
"Still, the deportation is legally questionable and the Interior Ministry admits it.
“At the moment, we are permitted only to deport from Israel the citizens of South Sudan and the Ivory Coast,” Interior Minister Eli Yishai said"
Seems to me they are a bunch of racist. At leat you admit you hate balck people now.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:42 am
He asked a question and I answered him.
You of course weren't part of that. But as a public forum I understand you're free as a muslim troll to be as stupid as they pay you to be.
Any more stories about the sick children in Iran being treated by their nuclear program?
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Parchin is a military site. There is no nuclear material. No where in the country do they have highly enriched uranium.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:43 am
I can keep repeating my answer to the question you keep repeating.
The records of josephus and of course maintained by the coptic church with Pilate as a patron saint.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Parchin is a military site and the IAEA has no right to inspect a military site. There is no nuclear material there.
No where in Iran will you find HEU (Highly Enriched Uranium) Uranium enriched to 85-90%
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Yes, actually they do. They were buried shortly after the life of Christ and they show no changes occured in the time since they were buried.
How does it feel to be wrong so much of the time? Is that why you need the goats?
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:44 am
You didn't say that until now.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:45 am
It wasn't a fact until Newton proved it to be a fact. It may have been going on before but it was not a fact.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Not inthislifetime, adnprobablynot intheotherseither.Stupidiswaytoodeepinyou.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:47 am
No you did not. The NIE does not say anything about parchin. You are lying and are psychotic.
There was no nuclear material at parchin.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Not even.
Gravity works simply because the laws of nature demand it. Not because we haveany influence. Poorlittle troll, do the clerics demand you stick to this failed talking point?
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:47 am
That's what a highly skilled professional troll does.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program. They are signatories to the Non proliferation treaty, are inspected by the IAEA regularly and according to our national intelligence estimate does not have a nuclear weapons program.
Parchin is a military site and has no nuclear material.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Yeah whatever, you will defend israel no matter what it does. If israel killed your mom you would say it was gods will and defend it. You're a stupid loser who is too afraid kill himself.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Agreed. Did you see how well I have him trained.
Watch this.
MONKEY BOY ROGER RUSSEL REPLY
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:52 am
They do? Thell that the parents of these children:
http://www.rememberthesechildren.org/remember2011…
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Roger the Monkey is
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Your satainist talking points are not working
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:54 am
All because your handlers say so?
Not even.
But they pay you to do things, and thinking isn't one of them.
Come on, keep it up, you probably have a herd of goats to support.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:54 am
But you do, since the 8th century.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:55 am
"The reply monkey thinks he can pretend not to be a trained monkey."
Why do insit on talking to yourself?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:55 am
No, I was laughing at the stupid that made that comment so easy to use.
You both need new talking points.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:55 am
Back to your muslium satanist talking points again?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:56 am
Yes, muslim are taught that along with surah 9.
And people aren't fooled into thinking differently. That's why trolls such as yourself and wee, and the others are such a waste of resources.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:56 am
You like incest so it must be you. I never said I think jihad is ok
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:56 am
You silly muslims.
it's your fake allah that demands suicide bombs, not my Almighty.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Ever read the bible?
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Ever read the bible?You're wrong I don't hate all the almighty's (satans) followers……just you, you POS
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Not really.
And you just don't want to admit an intelligent being is smart enough, and strong enough to create the universe. It would be a big contrast to allah.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Yet allah isn't strong enough to destroy Israel.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Yes, you do actually.
And you're not alone, since the 8th century.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:58 am
I had to dumb it down to your level Monkey Boy
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Roger Russel worships satan
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 10:59 am
of course they do. They just scrubbedthe one site.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:00 am
So you admit the military is involved with the nuclear program.
You silly little iranian, they weretrying to keepthat secret.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Go back and read the thread, if your handlers will allow it.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 11:01 am
I notice you or I can go in and change it anytime and I don't click on your child porn links
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:01 am
And how did mohammed walk around if gravity hadn't been proven yet?
You silly little 8th century throwback you.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Facts are facts. It's a fact that you are fat.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:01 am
They did in the link I used, that it had beenapparently 'scrubbed' to hide nuclear material.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Nope the devil has been running things since he brought down the babylonians.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 11:02 am
I doubt it. You can't wip your way out of wet paper bag. I would curb stomp your POS ass
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:02 am
I said as a system of life, that would be sharia.
You would know how closely you follow sharia.
You know, like that declaring jihad and wanting to burn Christians thing.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:02 am
No, you don't even rise to that level.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Still trained as a reply monkey to make demands?
How 8th century of you.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:03 am
They did at that military site until they had to 'cleanse it'.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Just like when myself and MR. Michaels were having a converasation this morning that you were not part of. But as a public forum I understand you're free as a muslim troll to be as stupid as they pay you to be.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:04 am
And those two groups they are deporting are not legal immigrants.
So what is your point exactly?Why doesn't Syria accept them? Oh, they're 'fleeing' sharia, they wouldn'twant to go there.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 11:04 am
The irony must be killing you.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:05 am
And you will defend sharia values no matter what.
Thankfully I'm not stuck in the 8th century like you are.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 11:05 am
josephus was born 10 years after the alledged jesus died. He can'tr be an eye witness. We have gone over this many times Monkey Boy. Please try and keep up
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Now you're just being stupid. Stupid and fat.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:05 am
And in each case there was an act of war first.
You muslims had might want to steer clear of them next time.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Tell that to the parents of these children.
24 minutes ago @ Breitbart.tv – Soldier Found Guilty i… · 1 reply · +1 points
The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 11:06 am
No they actually don't .
How does it feel to get kicked around by me every day?
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Muslims and christians have the same exact god and worship the same exact prophets. It's christians zionists that are praying for end times.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:06 am
I value life, so does the people of Israel. Who's Jewish? Any descendant of the common ancestors Abraham and Isaac.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:07 am
How muslim troll of you.
You can't come up with new insults? When are you going to start calling me a dirty jew?
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Actually it would be the same thing since allah is arabic for god, the almighty the creator. All it takes for you to be muslim is to believe in a creator.
ID is bunk.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Enough to keep you babbling like a muslim without a goat.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Why does the response monkey insist on not adding anything to any thread other than to derail them and insult my religion?
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 11:08 am
why would allah destroy israel. Muslims love israel. That's why they call modern israel the zionist regime.
You see silly willy, muslims and jews worship the same god.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Back to your hate rants and bigotry again?
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Apples to oranges retard.
One happened the other did not.
Pretty sure you would of liked to watch it.
7 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Romney wins Iowa in fi… • 1 reply • 0 points
Almost as pretty as a burning church
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:09 am
You like your goats, so it must be you.
And you did declare jihadin fact, evenif you never usedthat exact word.
24 minutes ago @ Breitbart.tv – Soldier Found Guilty i… · 1 reply · +1 points
The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:10 am
You are such a bigot. You won't even admit one of the followers of Jesus who clearly said he saw and heard the things he spoke of, that John the beloved was an eye witness.
You have a bit of bigot in your eye.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 11:10 am
I don't need to Monkey.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Try using facts and logic, down is the wrong direction.
Even if that's what your handlers understand.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Just needing some comic relief that you are providing. Kind of like this.
REPLY MONKEY ROGER RUSSEL
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Not even, apples and apples.
So, how is that flask holding up?
There are meetings that can help with that.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:12 am
poor reply monkey is sad.
Why did the handlers give you a hard quota of comments to meet today?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Nope, you just can't tell the truth because the hate is strong in you.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:14 am
So you fear the truth.
How muslim is that? I bet the clerics spent a lot of time conditioning you to respond that way.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 11:14 am
No they don't have NEU anywehre in the country.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:15 am
This from the guy who is brave enough to describe my yard and then runs to the police when some of you sex toy goats go missing?
Hahahahaha.
Wee wee, you small little man you.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:16 am
You were repeating your hate speech and he was trying to be polite about it.
It's wasted on you and I realize that. So, why would I bother? You're just a hate filled bigot and I treat you accordingly.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:17 am
And spoke to all sorts of people. and even mentioned the wood plows that Jesus had made.
That would make him an eye witness to the things he described.
John was an eye witness and so was Matthew. And you reply monkey just keep sticking to what the clerics tell you to.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 11:17 am
No they are not. The government is.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Yes, they actually do.
I am tired of a sore foot, but you won't stop deserving the kicks.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:19 am
The Almighty is many things, but a devilisn't one of them.
And Iran had better rememberwhathappens when you toy with His people.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Like your muslim sharia lifestyleis doing to you?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:20 am
My, such brave words from a rented mouth in Iran.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Like this one?
7 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Romney wins Iowa in fi… • 1 reply • 0 points
Almost as pretty as a burning church
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Not even, ask the rape victim stoned in Somalia if she would have prefereddealing with a baptist minister over a cleric.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:21 am
You don't know what the differences are. Go attend a church then tell your cleric how much you enjoyed it.
You'll see from his reaction just how merciful allah is.
That's not my God.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:21 am
You are pathetic, even as a rented mouth paid hack.
Do you really get paid for this?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Not even. Rentedmouth.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Of courseitwas.
What aloser.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 11:24 am
So you admit you're a hypocrite?
Thanks MONKEY
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Wee wee, you small little man. As the official reply monkey did you notice even giving you two a head start toying with both of you at once is child's play for me?
That dating system since the 8th century leaves you at a disadvantage.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Where is your proof he spoke to these people. The bible does not count for proof
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Go ahead, don't cut off the rest of the comment. and why not include the comment before it too?
You know so you could show you were wanting to burn people alive in a church just because of their religion and I asked if all violence was a pretty to you as the jihad you declared on the church?
24 minutes ago @ Breitbart.tv – Soldier Found Guilty i… · 1 reply · +1 points
The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Of course it is. You haven't shown it to be actually wrong yet. So why not use it?
What lies will you make up this time? I'm curious what your handlers will allow you to say…
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Oh look, the hate filled reply monkey is running out of propaganda to spew.
Will you go curl up and sleep like this replymonkey? http://vimeo.com/10178853
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 11:34 am
So you don't deny the fact that you will defend that dirty bandit state even if they killed your mom?
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 11:34 am
All acts of war israel started.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 11:35 am
The people of israel don't value the life of the palestinians or the syrians or the lebanese or the americans or the Iraqis. As do you.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 11:36 am
What you need to understand is Abraham was from Iraq. Arabs are descendants of Abraham.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Gravity wasn't a fact until it was proven.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 11:40 am
You only said Iran plans on making nuclear submarines
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Facts require proof. They didn't know about gravity back then. Just like they didn't know about 9/11 back then. Or WW2, or the hiroshima bomb.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 11:42 am
No they did not. They have no HEU anywhere in the country.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Who your mom.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 11:44 am
There is no nuclear material at parchin. Parchin is a military site. They have LEU all over the country. That is not anywhere close to a bomb. The IAEA says so, the CIA says so the NPT says so and the NIE says so.
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Nope, apples to oranges. One happened the other didn't
WTE
July 17th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Why do derail and isult other religions?
Eyes_Open
July 17th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
"And how does that compare with islam that teaches you must beat your wives? "
They are both atrocious!
Nice try to cover, of course they are indispensable, where else are you going to get people to do all the work and keep their mouths shut under penalty of damnation. What would you do without them? You would have to cook and clean for yourselves.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
you god is the devil. That much is clear. My god is not the devil. He is a loving god and a just god and is not willing to lay waste and ruin to innocent people and will never have the jews as a chosen people. Not a group as savage and murderous and blood thirsty ans the jews. My god is against them. They are not his people at all.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
And antoehr thing thing there is no way that god would allow murder and pain and overty and ethnic cleansiing and nuclear bombs and terrorsim and lies to run the wrold. No lovoving god of mine that's for sure.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
I'm living just fine. I'm not fat like you.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Is it my fault your stupid and fat? Take responsibility for your own life you fat piece of excrement.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Yes they do. Muslims and christians have the same exact god. Ask your minister.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
I used to go to church. Muslims and Christians worship the same god. My priest told me that.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Muslims worship israel. That is why they sue the term zionist regime to refer to modern day israel.
patriothere
July 17th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
You do. Not me.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Really by what standards exactly?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
You are so full of hate, you don't like admitting you only wanted violenceand didn't get it?
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Why do you do anything? It's the hate. You're full of hate.
Roger
July 17th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Nope, one is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3Eam5FX58
Eyes_Open
July 18th, 2012 at 2:56 am
Of course you don't think that your religion, making women subservient to men is bad, only when others do it, do you believe it is wrong. True believers like you are always blinded to their own crimes.
This thread has gotten too narrow, I will not be replying on it anymore.
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 5:47 am
Gravity doesn't much care if you even notice it.
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 5:47 am
Yawn….
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 5:48 am
Stillstupid?Stillarentedmouth?
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 5:48 am
Who's your favorite goat?
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 5:49 am
Not after they cleansed the site.
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 5:50 am
My mom is smart enough nottowalk towards a military checkpointwith a full bag and refuse to stop when they point guns.
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 5:50 am
Such a rented mouth. Such a paid hack. That's how you were born, you're probably just walking in your mom's footsteps.
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 5:51 am
Of course they do. The IDF defends the million arabs that are Israeli citizens.
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 5:51 am
Then why do the arabs hate Jews so much?
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 5:53 am
I follow the teachings of Christ and the exampleHe led. Why would you thinkChristians treat women badly?
Are you saying Nun's aren't given respect? Is therean equivelant creature in islam?
southwood
July 18th, 2012 at 5:59 am
Ricky, how you doing ? Have to make a couple of points here. While I agree that there is a certain amount of archaic words and phrases in the KJV, it is still the best version. These were linguistic geniuses and men of God. The committee for new versions have had inappropriate people like lesbians (NASB or NIV I don't remember which) and have not used the Textus Receptus. Check out, for example, Deuteronomy 22:28;29 in the NIV. All other versions state that the guy "lays hold of" the girl but the NIV knows better, it seems, and translates it as "rapes". Muslims are able to use this show that God only makes a rapist pay a fine and marry, or not, depending on the girl's father, the girl. All other versions portray it as being mere seduction and therefore consensual. New versions have twisted or omitted words and phrases in the Bible.
Eyes_Open
July 18th, 2012 at 6:00 am
HEY! Why bring me into this?
And there is no pit, only the one you were taught to imagine.
Why would any benevolent god, seeing good people doing good things, want to throw them into a burning pit just because they didn't believe in that god. A god that offers no tangible proof of his own existence. This is the number one cause of people leaving the Christian faith, worship of a being that is illogical and immoral.
Think about it, really, does that make any since?
Eyes_Open
July 18th, 2012 at 6:11 am
It's not real, only my religion is real. I can prove it. Do trees grow? They wouldn't if the Mother Goddess didn't allow them to be fertile.
Well, there you have it.
Ricky Michael
July 18th, 2012 at 7:58 am
Agreed, there are versions that are not true translations. The NIV is just so-so in my opinion. The Living Bible is not a true translation.
And, I am doing just fine. I hope you and yors are too.
Eyes_Open
July 18th, 2012 at 8:09 am
I have tried to help Roger to be kind to others, he refuses. Bigotry and hate is all he can manage for anyone that doesn't agree to follow his personal beliefs.
Again, what benevolent god would condemn a good man doing good works to eternal torture for simple not believing in something to which he has no evidence?
I do not walk towards a pit, I walk towards enlightenment.
WTE
July 18th, 2012 at 9:16 am
I wonder if he will defend this:
http://news.yahoo.com/religious-israeli-lawmaker-…
WTE
July 18th, 2012 at 9:16 am
I wonder if he will defend this:
http://news.yahoo.com/religious-israeli-lawmaker-…
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Are they blowing them up with kassam rockets aimed at civilians, or with suicide belts?
You silly little man you.
WTE
July 18th, 2012 at 9:18 am
No, you are stuck in 1095
southwood
July 18th, 2012 at 9:24 am
I just stumbled on this a few moments ago. It will give you some idea of the sad state of affairs in Scotland :
http://global.christianpost.com/news/scotland-pus…
southwood
July 18th, 2012 at 9:24 am
I just stumbled on this a few moments ago. It will give you some idea of the sad state of affairs in Scotland :
http://global.christianpost.com/news/scotland-pus…
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 9:24 am
As opposed to the 8th century?
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 9:26 am
You have done no such thing. Why lie about it?
And why do you always think that God is the one responsible for the pain and suffering? He created beings that were capable of lot's of things. That doesn't mean they were in the first best plan for us.
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 9:27 am
And thanks to the Creator that made those trees.
Thanks to the Creator that designed you to make up the mother goddess.
WTE
July 18th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Reveal about me? They reveal that the religion has caused so much death and destruction in the world for nothing.
Eyes_Open
July 18th, 2012 at 9:41 am
PLEASE, take some grammar classes, you are still not making any since.
And try to actually stay on the subject of the thread.
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 9:45 am
No, they reveal that hate has consumed you and left an empty husk of a human behind.
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Of course I am you silly pagan you.
You just didn't have any response and used the old straw man technique, badly.
You as a hate filled mulsim friendly troll want to blame the Creator for all the bad. Clearly He did allow it to happen, but for you to pretend He enjoys it and wants it? Thats' not correct. the devil is the one going around looking for ways to stir things up.
Even in your pagan beliefs you know there is evil, it's not a new concept for you.
Eyes_Open
July 18th, 2012 at 9:49 am
The God and Goddess that created all has been worshiped for thousands of years before your religion even thinks the earth existed. They have allowed you to worship your false god because, unlike the leaders of your religion, they know that their existence doesn't hinge on your belief. When all of your myths have fallen away, they will still be waiting for you with open arms. They have no need to threaten eternal punishment to those that don't believe in them, THEY have all eternity to wait on you to come around to the truth, and infinite patients for your revelations.
Blessed Be
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Silly pagan. So you worship tree gods that have no explanation for evil?
And your open arms aren't promising anything other than an agrarian utopia.
No thanks, I'm aiming a bit higher.
I'm waiting for a caring God that paid so I don't' have to. That cares about humans as more than just animals, and would never want human sacrifices that prove nothing. One perfect sacrifice that He gave was enough.
And since the old myths have died out, you don't' even know what the old celts were for, do you? You can't even explain stone henge.
Eyes_Open
July 18th, 2012 at 10:07 am
"I'm waiting for a caring God that paid so I don't' have to."
RIFLMAO
Sounds like another Obama commercial, I guess you got what you wanted on the last election. Well, you going to loose you free ride on this one. Get ready to pay your own way.
Eyes_Open
July 18th, 2012 at 10:10 am
After reading your post for a while, there can be no denying there is evil, you are the proof of that. You have proven that evil is in your heart, not some invisible imp sitting on the shoulders of man.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Actually that is how it works.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 10:24 am
you are wrong. What else is new?
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 10:26 am
DId your fat mom tell you to say that?
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 10:27 am
There is no evidence of anything being there. Just like the Nuclear site in syria that runed out to be a textile mill?
You are so stupid.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 10:28 am
SO I take that as a yes. You are a sick sick puppy.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 10:30 am
They're committing racial purification even though they are not even a race.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Facts are facts. At least my mom isn't a fat cow like yours. You're fat, she's fat.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 10:31 am
No they don't. They're the fifth column. Israel is a jewish state so there are no non jews in israel.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 10:32 am
They don't. They are against zionism.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 10:35 am
liar
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Facts require proof.
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Fat?
That'snewstome.
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Still stuck on sharia, howsad for you.
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Of course not. Ask any rape victim.
You justcan't stand being a hack can you? Isn't the money enough tobuy the booze you need?
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Of course not.
Had you ever gone to church you'd realize how wrong you are.
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Did you pretend that made sense when the cleric handed it to you?
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
A lame comment, even for your hack paid troll standards.
WTE
July 18th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
To keep hateful POS losers like yourself busy
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Exact;y, evemn if no one proves it.A lame comment
WTE
July 18th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Why are you such a POS?
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Poor troll. Doublingupwithwewee?
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
I don'tknow, ifI ever get afat momI'lltrytoask.
WTE
July 18th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Every day I do. You just can't handle it
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
That's becaueit was cleansed. They didn't wantanything being found.
You silly; iranian. Do you really thinkyou're fooling anyone?
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Theyarearace. EvenifIrandoesn'tlikeit.
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
My mom?
Hahahahaha….. oh you silly muslim hack troll. You don't know my mom.
Same for me too, but I'm not skinny like my mom.
WTE
July 18th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
You do not follow the teachings of christ
WTE
July 18th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
I fear your child porn links
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
There are over a million arabs there. You really are not in touch with reality, are you?
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Like Hitler was?
You really make this way to easy. Thank you cleric for me.
WTE
July 18th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Maybe you should come find out. Unless you're a coward. I know you wil have some lame excuse when in reality you're a POS coward
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
That's so kind of you. It's not true of course, you werespewinghate long before I noticed you and started paying attention.
Are you having patriot-here along to keepyou companytonight? Did they pull you from the day shift because you weredoing so badly?
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
This from the guy who is a member of a pagan religion that values trees more than people?
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Sounds like you just like doing your own thing.
Romans 1 tells Christians about that.
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Why should I do squat? You are the coward who accused me of messing with your precious sex toy goats, admitting you had some. Why the shift change, do they hope it will help the drinking problem?
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Why, you think I'm like your muslim buddies or something?
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Andwhoareyoutojudgethat?
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Where? Are you on another forum? Do you declare jihad there too?
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Why are you such a hate filled bigot that thinks he can come insult my God and go unchallenged on it?
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
You're a lame comment.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Muslims worship israel. Just not modern day israel.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Of course they do. Who do you think You're fooling? I know what I'm talking about. My grandmother was a sunday school teacher for most of her life fat boy!
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
you are wrong. I know you are wrong. I know for a fact htat you are wrong.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
You are fat and it has nothing to do with sharia.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
You're fat.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Hitler was aware of Zionism. I don't know if He was against it. I think the rest of the world has moved beyond the cartoonish view of the world kids have. You haven't though obviously. Get a real job fatso.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
They're known as the fifth column. They have no rights in a jewish state stupid.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
You're fat. She's fat.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
israel is committing genocide against the palestinian people. fact.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
There is nothing there. Just like ther ewas nothing there in syria when it was just a textile mill. Israel bombed it and it was ilelgal and israel should have been attacked for launching a war aof aggression.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
your mom.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Yes it does.
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Your goat?
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Allthosekassams. AndIsrael istheaggressor?
Retnedmouth.
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Israel commitsselfdefense.
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Hahahahaha…. mom has been trying togain weightforyears.
Didthe cleric say thatamericans getupsetwhen they're called fat?
It doesn't always work.
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
They're known as citizens and they have every single right as other citizens. They even hold office in the Knesset when they're elected by other citizens, they even use the same ballots.
What a bad rented mouth you are.
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Jews were living in canaan during Hitler's reign of terror. That's why the mufti and Hitler were such good friends.
You iranians have the newest and strangest versions of fictional history.
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
?Youspelleditwrong. Itshouldhavebeen"I'mstupid".
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
In what mosque?
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
By calling them monkeys and saying they need to be erased?
You just can't get your act together enough to make a decent troll. Will the clerics replace you eventually, or are you sharing a goat herd?
Roger
July 18th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
You're a lame rented mouth.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
You know I am right.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Your mom is a fat cow not a goat.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
You know you are wrong. Just admit it!
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
you are fat and so is your mom.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
They're called the fifth column by Israelis and are second class citizens.
patriothere
July 18th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
See people don't spew the cartoonish evil view you hold. We're grown ups.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 12:07 am
Not really.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 12:08 am
She'sanythingbut over weight.
Youneedtoget freshmaterial.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 12:09 am
I knowI'mnot wrong.
Youget newmaterial tocopy.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 12:10 am
No, they even serve on the knesset.
Facts bother you, why?
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 12:10 am
You think it counts what a paid hack repeats here?
6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.
Eyes_Open
July 19th, 2012 at 2:46 am
You're showing your ignorance again.
Eyes_Open
July 19th, 2012 at 2:50 am
True, I am no ones servant. Unlike you, who hasn't had an original thought in you entire miserable life.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Sounds like you are a servant, a wiccan one.
Eyes_Open
July 19th, 2012 at 7:27 am
As always, you have zero real knowledge of my religion. All you know of any religion, outside of your own, is what you have watched on TV shows. Guess what, Hollywood is all about fiction. You should quite taking movies as your educational sources.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 7:41 am
As always you say things then change your views to fit the attack instead of sticking with picking a factual position and defending it.
I don't need to understand your religion in order to read your comments and reply to them.
Eyes_Open
July 19th, 2012 at 7:53 am
When your comment is about my religion, which wasn't a part of this thread before your comment, then yes you do need to understand it before you can intelligently comment on it. Of course, as your comment wasn't intelligent, I suppose this doesn't apply to you.
Talk about changing views:
"Sounds like you just like doing your own thing."
"Sounds like you are a servant, a wiccan one."
It seems that you can't even manage to keep the same "view" for three comments in a row. You are the last person that should give speeches about not changing to fit your next attack strategy.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 8:02 am
You brought up that you don't serve anything or weren't a servant of anything.
I rebutted that comment you made on this thread. If you don't like people examining your thoughts then don't post them here on this forum.
Eyes_Open
July 19th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Of course, you being Christian, would associate servitude with religion.
If you ever tried having a thought of your own maybe you wouldn't find it so compelling to constantly need to examine the thoughts of intelligent people like myself.
Eyes_Open
July 19th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Of course, you being Christian, would associate servitude with religion.
If you ever tried having a thought of your own maybe you wouldn't find it so compelling to constantly need to examine the thoughts of intelligent people like myself. Give it a shot, but don't hurt yourself.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Actually I was thinking more of the way you have muslim friendly sensitivities and positions on many things.
But you do make a valid point I submit that God knows more about everything than I do.
You think that the lady of the woods does or something.
My comment still stands after all your empty insults.
Wee is he prodding you into this?
patriothere
July 19th, 2012 at 10:22 am
No your mom is.
patriothere
July 19th, 2012 at 10:24 am
They don't worship modern israel. But they worship israel.
patriothere
July 19th, 2012 at 10:26 am
She was a sunday school teacher at a catholic church. You know Catholics. The first christians? THe real christians? Not heretics like you protestants and evangelical heretics.
patriothere
July 19th, 2012 at 10:53 am
You've been reported
patriothere
July 19th, 2012 at 10:57 am
They're known as the fifth column.
patriothere
July 19th, 2012 at 11:00 am
They are going to get america to fight and dir in iran for them.
patriothere
July 19th, 2012 at 11:04 am
you know you're wrog.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Of coursenot.
Hack.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Didthat makesensetoyour clerics?
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Arethey?nope. Omnlytheonstat want tousesuicdebombs.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
For what?Your beingahackpaidtroll?
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Nope, not really. I was leaving it vague to leave you wiggle room.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Yes, itwas. Itwasfor areally, really, reallylongtime.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
And I'm descended fromBarney the Dinosaur.
You don't have the sound ofsomeone taughttosing "Jesus loves me!"
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
And I'm sure that makes Tel Aviv sleep so much better at night. You know, I'd probably worship mecca, not today's mecca but th eonefrom before the time of Mohammed, how doesthat workexactly?
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Like yours? Nope, my didn't come from the slums of tehran.
patriothere
July 19th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
of course you are wrong and have no idea what you are talking about. You are in fact the paid hack troll. Not me. Anybody who is an impartial observer can see that.
patriothere
July 19th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Facts are facts.
patriothere
July 19th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Your mom ilower than a tehtan slum. She is lowe rthan a jewish slum. Your mom is a fat whore and you see her everyday of course because you LIVE with her you loser.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Oh little paid hack.
Don't you remember losing your muslim temper and spilling the beans on that one?
6 minutes ago @ Breitbart.com – Protests to greet Ahma… · 1 reply · 0 points
I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Yes, evenwithgravity.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Just because your mom is, doesn't mean anyone else's mom is.
We don't have to do things like that to support ourselves in the west. sharia isn't a very kind system that way.
patriothere
July 19th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Why are you so stupid?
patriothere
July 19th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Facts are facts and they are not your friends because facts require proof.
patriothere
July 19th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Sharia would not have people being kicked out of their homes like talmudic law that you love so much.
patriothere
July 19th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
You don't even know what you are talking about.
patriothere
July 19th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
of course you are as wrong as you are fat. and you live with your mom don't lie.
patriothere
July 19th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
I did you're wrong.
patriothere
July 19th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
No they didn't. You don't even know what you are talking about moron.
patriothere
July 19th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
you are wrong and you should just admit it and end alll of this bullcrap.
patriothere
July 19th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
you are wrong. You are not folling anyeone you paid hack troll. You should just give up. You're fat and so is your mom.
patriothere
July 19th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
gravity works for the ame reason you are fat.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Gravityjust doeswhat itdoes.
Andyour goat isfattethanI am.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Youdon'tknowmyflackamom.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
I'mnot wong. Andyoualreadyadmittedyou'reapaidhack. So, i'tsallreadyover.woith. Youlost.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
TheyCleansedanuclear siote, amilitarysite. Theyarehidingthat themilitaryisworkingnuclear material andit'snot for ckickchildren.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Allyouprovedisyoudon'treadwell.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Likeyoudo?
Howmuchisfat?I'mnot that heavy, amI hidingthefat ?
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Morethananyiranianpaidhackwould.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
They would have a gang rape then stone the victim.
Boy,that'smuch better….
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
You can ask yourself that later in some privacy. You don't need to ask it here where we all can read it.
Roger
July 19th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Factsdon'tycareiftehy'reprovedor not.
patriothere
July 20th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
ok barney the dinosaur.
patriothere
July 20th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Is all the fat ruining your brain ?
patriothere
July 20th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
facts are facts require proof!
patriothere
July 20th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
liar loser.
patriothere
July 20th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
you know how stupid ou are?
Roger
July 20th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Not asstupidasyou.
Roger
July 20th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Nope.
Roger
July 20th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
You really aren't verybright, even for a paid iranian hack troll, are you?
Roger
July 20th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Do muslims allow for mascots like dogs or pigs, or dirty monkeys? You remind me of them. All of them.
patriothere
July 20th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
you are wrong jackass!
patriothere
July 20th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
you are wrong fat troll!
patriothere
July 20th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
troll
patriothere
July 20th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
concede loser!
Roger
July 21st, 2012 at 6:42 am
That you'reapaidhack?
Roger
July 21st, 2012 at 6:43 am
paidhack
Roger
July 21st, 2012 at 6:44 am
saysthepaidhack.
Roger
July 21st, 2012 at 6:45 am
Saystheadmittedpaidhack.
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